Received: by 10.68.220.230 with SMTP id pz6mr502370pbc.3.1344124910976; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 17:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Path: p10ni10193183pbh.1!nntp.google.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 19:01:50 -0500 From: Hugh Lawson Newsgroups: alt.war.civil.usa Subject: Re: McPherson on acw as a revolution References: <878ve3emwq.fsf@gmail.com> <58ld18pag3nflvlhjsd6nvc251kb1pbfjf@4ax.com> <87boiw69k2.fsf@gmail.com> <87boiwt5py.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:01:49 -0400 Message-ID: <87mx2amck2.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:yn8OnaFu5q19KyUM/2DHoRqKa3Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Lines: 30 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-oHpsp8cuLSQSd9kHMJjRv/UMlXcsmulM5O5u+0vqycK44XBWFB5DUyp2rbiNwn2xj+c8kVAIzULN15V!GgeS/t9mcj5nFhYie2fzqGpoiv4aBf9HjqHbm5ZsCC79Mn6/ X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 2367 X-Original-Bytes: 2306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wiregrass Willie writes: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:34:01 -0400, Hugh Lawson > wrote: > >>I've never seen a scientific comparison of social mobility, South as >>compared to non-South. Is there one? > > I ran across a statement that might prove you right about things being > better for the Yeoman in the South after the War. The rich people > left, and the poor people stayed and prospered. It's an > interesting thought. It's B.S., Willie. Things were worse for the plain folk after the war, and worse for the ex-slaveowners too. The civil war was a catastrophe for the southern whites. After all, all of them had been benefitting from the enslavement of the blacks. The rich lost the immense wealth of the slaves they owned. The plain folk lost the assurance that slavery would keep the blacks out of sight and away from the good things the poor whites wanted. The white sharecroppers and the black sharecroppers got about the same deal from the landlord. There are no pretty pictures to be drawn from the wreckage of the Old South. HL