People's History of the Civil War

[Wiregrass Willie]

I just finished a really good book on the Civil War, entitled
"People's history of the Civil War". By David Williams 2005.

It does a really good job of telling just how badly the working class
soldiers and citizens were treated by their richer neighbors. I
don't suppose any war has ever been good for poor people. But if
there has ever been one that was totally a "rich man's war and a poor
man's fight" ...I'd suggest it was the American Civil War.

The author pretty much summed up his 500 page book in one brief
passage. I like it and find it very amusing. On page 459 Williams
says:

"Though the conflict may have been a rich man's war, it was not as
much of a poor man's fight as the rich tried to make it. That was
true of North and South. On both sides, the lowest of the lower
classes tended to be as adamant as the rich in their refusal to fight
...."

More power to the poor ! As were most of my Southern ancestors.

You don't find many history books that point out how gutless and
cowardly are the men who started the war to begin with. But such
were the majority of the large planters in the South and the bankers
and industrialists of the North.

Just one man's Southern thought :-)

[Joel Edge]

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:55:21 -0400, Wiregrass Willie wrote
(in article <hrbvj8121t08rs1t4...@4ax.com>):

Perfectly valid thought. Unfortunately; when people get power they generally
get rich. So pretty much ALL wars are decided by the rich and fought by the
less-than-well-off. I will point out that some of the rich planters were
well positioned (and did) raise units and they did go to war. I suspect the
hubris was the same up north. Some merchants and shop keepers closed their
shops and went to war.

[Wiregrass Willie]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:32:48 -0400, Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net>
wrote:

The planters son had a couple of advantages. He could buy a
replacement for about $300. And anyone who owned 20 or more slaves
was exempt from the draft. And it was the owners of 20 or more
slaves that started the war.

The Yankees were about as bad. I doubt the sons of many bankers or
industrialists saw combat.

Funny thing. When I was much younger (circa 1960s) I did not like
the "peaceniks". Now, I begin to see why anyone who hates war --
or the folks who start them -- feel the way they do.

I never thought about this stuff until I did my family genealogy. I
found out that two of my Southern ancestors were killed and one was
imprisoned for serving in the CSA. To add insult to injury, the
ones who survived were plunged into poverty for two generations.

That War was evil. But then ... aren't they all ?

[Hugh Lawson]

Wiregrass Willie <wiregrass_...@yahoo.com> writes:

>
> The planters son had a couple of advantages. He could buy a
> replacement for about $300. And anyone who owned 20 or more slaves
> was exempt from the draft. And it was the owners of 20 or more
> slaves that started the war.

How does that fit with your own practical research, WW? I remember you
posted on this with some results of your own counts.

hl

[Joel Edge]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:15:09 -0400, Wiregrass Willie wrote
(in article <0252k81froo9toaab...@4ax.com>):

Not saying all of them went.

>
> The Yankees were about as bad. I doubt the sons of many bankers or
> industrialists saw combat.
>
> Funny thing. When I was much younger (circa 1960s) I did not like
> the "peaceniks". Now, I begin to see why anyone who hates war --
> or the folks who start them -- feel the way they do.
>
> I never thought about this stuff until I did my family genealogy. I
> found out that two of my Southern ancestors were killed and one was
> imprisoned for serving in the CSA. To add insult to injury, the
> ones who survived were plunged into poverty for two generations.
>
> That War was evil. But then ... aren't they all ?
>
>

You can't really say ALL of them were bad. Bad things happen. Whether the
aftermath ends up being good or bad is entirely up in the air.

[Wiregrass Willie]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:18:29 -0400, Hugh Lawson <hu.l...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Actually I was surprised when I read Williams book. It was
published in 2005. If I had read it then, I could have saved myself
a lot of work. That one book condensed as fact everything I have
come to believe about the AnteBellum South (and the Confederacy) from
my own reading -- over the past six years.

(Except -- my theory that the average Southerner always defers to the
rich man. He did not say that ..... specifically :-)

He sees the Old South as a Feudal regime. Owned and operated by the
richest 1,000 planter families. Which is the conclusion I have
drawn.

He has page after page of examples of how badly the Planter treated
the poor Southerner. And how much the poor Southerner loved and
admired the Planter. Most of his facts are gotten from the same
place I got mine. The periodicals of the late 1850s. There is so
much interesting truth there, but most historicans have ignored it.

I realize the title itself (People's history) could be a turnoff for
most of us Southerners who were raised to hate the communists and
socialists. ( Or anybody else that questioned the right of the rich
man to treat us peons as he pleased).

I am not good at book reports, but here are some good ones at Amazon:

http://tinyurl.com/ct5teth

I wish it were required reading in Southern high schools.

Let me quote from the second page of the introduction:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

".....As for nonslaveholders, one planter asked nervously: "If the
poor whites realized that slavery kept them poor, would they not vote
it down?" Some feared that there might soon be "an Abolition party in
the South, of Southern men." Another frankly admitted, "I mistrust our
own people more than I fear all of the efforts of the Abolitionists. "
Such fears led slaveholders to conclude that slavery's future would be
more secure outside the Union than in it....."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In a nutshell-- the wealthy planters feared (an enlightened) Southern
common man more than they feared the Yankee. How often do you read
that fact in Southern history books ?

[Wiregrass Willie]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:05:00 -0400, Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net>

That's true.

What right do we have to blame an entire group of people for the
actions of only 90% : -)

>Bad things happen. Whether the
>aftermath ends up being good or bad is entirely up in the air.

The result of the secession was to plunge two generations of
Southerners into abject poverty. Among them were several branches
of my own family.

300,000 Southern men died. Which means about 300,000 women were
either widowed or left without mates for life.

[Hugh Lawson]

Wiregrass Willie <wiregrass_...@yahoo.com> writes:

>
> In a nutshell-- the wealthy planters feared (an enlightened) Southern

> common man. . . .

Then why wheren't the rebels more easily defeated?

hl

[slotrot]

That's like asking "how high is up?".

[Hugh Lawson]

That question was edited to make it shorter, so I believe I
left out steps. My fault, not yours. I'll put some back in and see if
it meets your standard of reasonable-ness.

On the union side at the time of secession, many held that the seceding
states were fractured by severe class conflict among the whites, of the
kind the book, as reported by WW, lays out. Hence, these unionists
believed the rebels lacked sufficient social cohesion to withstand a
hard shove. I think that was part of the appeal of Hinton R. Helper.

But, if social-class conflict hurt the rebels, it didn't stop them from
putting armies in the field, enduring a blockade, and suffering some
severe hardships both in the army and among the civilian population, and
proportionately heavier fatalities than the Union endured.

So, why didn't the US exploit rebel class division to end the war more
quickly? My answer until it's disproven is that the fear of abolition
was the basis of rebel cohesion, which many of them said at the time.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 14, 9:15 am, Wiregrass Willie <wiregrass_willieO...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:32:48 -0400, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:55:21 -0400, Wiregrass Willie wrote

> >(in article <hrbvj8121t08rs1t4b7rksn4mhugfk1...@4ax.com>):

Your ancestors had it coming. You couldn't abide peaceniks in the 60s
because you were a brainwashed, gullible nerd.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 15, 12:06 am, Wiregrass Willie <wiregrass_willieO...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:18:29 -0400, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­----------------------

>
> ".....As for nonslaveholders, one planter asked nervously: "If the
> poor whites realized that slavery kept them poor, would they not vote
> it down?" Some feared that there might soon be "an Abolition party in
> the South, of Southern men." Another frankly admitted, "I mistrust our
> own people more than I fear all of the efforts of the Abolitionists. "
> Such fears led slaveholders to conclude that slavery's future would be
> more secure outside the Union than in it....."

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­------------------------

>
> In a nutshell-- the wealthy planters feared (an enlightened) Southern
> common man more than they feared the  Yankee.   How often do you read
> that fact in Southern history books ?

Things have not changed much. Today's Rich Republicans shit on their
followers, who Love Them So!

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 15, 12:06 am, Wiregrass Willie <wiregrass_willieO...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> I realize the title itself (People's history)  could be a turnoff for
> most of us Southerners who were raised to hate the communists and
> socialists.

++++

Even though the phrase "WE THE PEOPLE" is the very first line in the
most sacred of American documents, it scares the shit out of White
Southerners because you are traitors to the very idea of America.

You are feudal morons living in fear of an invisible and non-existant
Sky God.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:

>
> Even though the phrase "WE THE PEOPLE" is the very first line in the
> most sacred of American documents, it scares the shit out of White
> Southerners because you are traitors to the very idea of America.
>
> You are feudal morons living in fear of an invisible and non-existant
> Sky God.

Mito Minister provides evidence for the idea I've been trying to
communicate here for years: that a person can derive his pov from the US
media persuasion, as MiMi says he did.


hl

[slotrot]

Well, we won't have to worry about MM in a little while. This forum is going, going, gone. Like my ACW library. I'm going to sell it off. Magazines and all. Time for something new before I can't do something new. 70th coming up soon so can't be wasting too much time arguing over nothing.

[Wiregrass Willie]

Welcome to the club.

>so can't be wasting too much time arguing over nothing.

I know the feeling.

[Wiregrass Willie]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:12:41 -0400, Hugh Lawson <hu.l...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>So, why didn't the US exploit rebel class division to end the war more
>quickly? My answer until it's disproven is that the fear of abolition
>was the basis of rebel cohesion, which many of them said at the time.

Hugh, my whole problem with this question is the simple fact --- The
common people DID NOT notice there was a class problem. So there
was no "class division". The rich man sure noticed it. That is
what I find most embarrassing.

Let me give an example of the doltish way my ancestors are always
portrayed by writers. The quote below makes the Southern army out to
be a bunch of childish idiots who follow "Marse Lee" because they
aren't all too bright. They "love" him, for god's sake ! They
had rather follow him to hell than ... go back home. That is not
very complimentary to the Southern character or intelligence.

".... In studying Lee's relation to his army we are impressed with the
fact that the bond between him and his soldiers was very human. They
did not only admire him as a great commander, and repose confidence in
his military genius to lead them to victory "they trusted and loved
him" loved him so that they were willing to die for him.

http://leearchive.wlu.edu/reference/books/mckim/08.html

I can live with the fact some of my ancestors fought and died to
protect the rich man's property. But it does hurt my pride to see
them portrayed as simple minded idiots following Marse Lee around like
a retarded spaniel -- because they ........ loved him !

[Hugh Lawson]

slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com> writes:

>
> Well, we won't have to worry about MM in a little while. This forum
>is going, going, gone. Like my ACW library. I'm going to sell it off.
>Magazines and all. Time for something new before I can't do something
>new. 70th coming up soon so can't be wasting too much time arguing
>over nothing.

It's a good thing to adopt new interests. I was almost 71 when I
started my Latin studies. By December, when I turn 75, I will have been
at it four years.

I have slowly picked my way through all the Aeneid, most of Lucretius's
De Rerum Natura, all of Boethius's Consolation of Philosophy, all of
Cicero's Cataline orations, all of Cicero's De Officiis, all of Caesar
on the Gallic Wars, all of Sallust on the Catalinian wars and on the war
against Iugurtha. This has taken up vastly more time than my
discussions here. I've also worked my way through two different
first-year textbooks.

The red Loeb Classical Library volumes are piling up. I hope by the
time I finish the fourth year in October to begin to leave behind the
frequent reference to English translations. But if I don't make it,
I'll just get some more of the Loeb CL books, which have English
translations on the facing page.

I didn't know Bob that I'm older than you. I should have been pulling
rank. ;-)



hl

[Wiregrass Willie]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:17:19 -0700 (PDT), MITO MINISTER
<cigarm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> In a nutshell-- the wealthy planters feared (an enlightened) Southern
>> common man more than they feared the  Yankee.   How often do you read
>> that fact in Southern history books ?
>
>Things have not changed much. Today's Rich Republicans shit on their
>followers, who Love Them So!

Well, look a here. Proving once again that even a broken clock is
right twice a day.

[Hugh Lawson]

Wiregrass Willie <wiregrass_...@yahoo.com> writes:


> I can live with the fact some of my ancestors fought and died to
> protect the rich man's property. But it does hurt my pride to see
> them portrayed as simple minded idiots following Marse Lee around like
> a retarded spaniel -- because they ........ loved him !

Why is it hard to believe that they backed the rebellion because
they feared the consequences of abolition?

By my lights that was wrong, but it wasn't stupid.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 15, 12:15 am, Wiregrass Willie <wiregrass_willieO...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:05:00 -0400, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:15:09 -0400, Wiregrass Willie wrote

> >(in article <0252k81froo9toaabccmfghme9hmf2k...@4ax.com>):
>
> >> On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:32:48 -0400, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net>

> >> wrote:
>
> >>> On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:55:21 -0400, Wiregrass Willie wrote

> >>> (in article <hrbvj8121t08rs1t4b7rksn4mhugfk1...@4ax.com>):

Those White Southerners deserved to die. They were traitors. Federal
Law mandates the death penalty for treason.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 15, 8:38 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

Having spent some time in the Carolinas I can assure you that I have
personally experienced White Southern religious idiocy up close and
personal. Towns with 50 churches and not a single bookstore or public
library.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 15, 9:42 pm, slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 15 March 2013 07:38:03 UTC-4, Hugh Lawson  wrote:

Yes, the White South IS nothing!

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:


> Having spent some time in the Carolinas I can assure you that I have
> personally experienced White Southern religious idiocy up close and
> personal. Towns with 50 churches and not a single bookstore or public
> library.

Mito Minister you already explained that you got your ideas from US tv.

hl

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:

> Yes, the White South IS nothing!

But it is always on your mind, Mito Minister.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 18, 5:29 am, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

No. You make the claim that all of my ideas come from TV. Some of my
ideas do, as do yours, but not all of them.

Your family belongs in jail. Your grandfather was a rapist and a
murdering White Southerner.

Ian Paisley is a piece of shit Ulsterman, and so are you!

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 18, 5:30 am, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> > Yes, the White South IS nothing!
>
> But it is always on your mind, Mito Minister.

Nope. This web-site is a respite from my labours. I merely come here,
slap you morons silly, and then leave.

YOU are a White Southerner - YOU have the burden of being descended
from rapists and murderers.

Your entire community of White People belong in jail.

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 16:29:35 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <87ip4py...@gmail.com>):

He already tried that "not a single bookstore or public library" line
elsewhere. Got called on it immediately. I don't know where he gets his
impressions. Damn near every town has a public library across this country.
Being Mito (and a leftist) he'll believe pretty much anything bad about
anyone that doesn't agree with him. Which is pretty much everybody.

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:00:45 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
(in article
<fa72362d-94e6-4f20...@h1g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>):

> This web-site is a respite from my labours.

What labors? Being an asshole isn't considered work.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mar 18, 5:29 am, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
>> > Having spent some time in the Carolinas I can assure you that I have
>> > personally experienced White Southern religious idiocy up close and
>> > personal. Towns with 50 churches and not a single bookstore or public
>> > library.
>>
>> Mito Minister you already explained that you got your ideas from US tv.
>>
>> hl
>
> No. You make the claim that all of my ideas come from TV. Some of my
> ideas do, as do yours, but not all of them.

You yourself explained that you get your ideas about the South from US
tv. So you made this claim, which I merely reminded you of.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mar 18, 5:30 am, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
>> > Yes, the White South IS nothing!
>>
>> But it is always on your mind, Mito Minister.
>
> Nope. This web-site is a respite from my labours. I merely come here,
> slap you morons silly, and then leave.

Mito Minister is obviously ashamed of his obsession with the south, with
his thuggish trolling. He should be.

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:

HL:

>> Mito Minister you already explained that you got your ideas from US tv.
>>
>> hl

JE:

> He already tried that "not a single bookstore or public library" line
> elsewhere. Got called on it immediately. I don't know where he gets his
> impressions. Damn near every town has a public library across this country.

Mito Minister suffers the cognitive disorder "the south on the brain." He
could recover with rehab, but first he has to want to recover, and
his willpower is enfeebled by the disorder.

hl

[Gary]

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 17:00:45 -0700 (PDT), MITO MINISTER
<cigarm...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>YOU are a White Southerner - YOU have the burden of being descended
>from rapists and murderers.

Which makes me wonder. When old Masta finally got around to having
sex with Aunt Jemima, did it more closely resemble rape -- or
prostitution ? "Massa Jim, gimme de day off, an' I'll give you ...."

[slotrot]

Well, if the rest of the Repub states go the way of Wisconsin, et al, there will be no public anything. No public libraries, no hospitals, no police forces, no fire departments. And people wonder why the standard of living in the U.S. is in decline. Of the people, by the people, for the people. Right! Beware the rise of the red dragon.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:


> Nope. This web-site is a respite from my labours.

Stop making excuses for your misconduct, Mito Minister.

hl

[Joel Edge]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 11:06:18 -0400, slotrot wrote
(in article <37b86b78-6a35-44d2...@googlegroups.com>):

Another man with a crystal ball.

[Joel Edge]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 08:07:19 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <87wqt4c...@gmail.com>):

You have higher hopes for Mito that I do. I suspect his disability isn't one
he can recover from.

[slotrot]

Just a little sarcasm. About as funny as you blaming the left for all your problems.

[Joel Edge]

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:15:23 -0400, slotrot wrote
(in article <aa336504-d4b9-4e64...@googlegroups.com>):

I don't blame the left for my problems. I blame the Democrat party. Either
way it's self correcting. You can't keep making bigger promises to the
factions to keep them happy. Eventually the money runs out. Don't blame us
when it does.

[slotrot]

You might want to read this. The money isn't going to run out.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/16537-gop-weve-been-lying-all-along

It's a game. It's called screw the 99%, or , I'm alright Jack, screw you. Whichever way you look at it, it's a mug's game played by politicians in their eternal quest for power and influence, regardless of whether they are Dems or Repubs. One side is no better than the other, regardless of what your argument for your side may be.

[Joel Edge]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 08:59:22 -0400, slotrot wrote
(in article <568e7f14-8187-49b0...@googlegroups.com>):

> The money isn't going to run out.

Really! And there you have the left wing philosophy.

[slotrot]

And again, the right-wing philosophy; no response, just blame the left. Typical.

[slotrot]

Oh, sorry, I forgot. That was the "right wing" saying there wasn't a problem. But then we knew that all along. It's the "right wing" trying to create fear and anxiety amongst the citizens. Again, typical. OOOOOHHHH! Beware!! Doesn't work anymore. The people, like the citizens of Colorado, are beginning to realize that the GOP is really the GOOP.

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:28:58 -0400, slotrot wrote
(in article <a8edefba-d98c-46ea...@googlegroups.com>):

Seriously!! You actually think that the magic money money machine will never
run out. Have you ever heard of inflation? Devaluing of money? Any of that?

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:31:32 -0400, slotrot wrote
(in article <596bad66-e672-4425...@googlegroups.com>):

Works for me. I don't live in large urban area. If you do, I would suggest
you start making plans to leave.

[MITO MINISTER]

Be afraid!

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:


> Seriously!! You actually think that the magic money money machine will never
> run out. Have you ever heard of inflation? Devaluing of money? Any of that?

That's how much of the World War II debt was reduced to a more
manageable condition.

hl

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:
> Be afraid!

"Hearing footsteps", Mimi?

[slotrot]

Stop giving handouts to big oil, gas, coal, Haliburton,,,,,and the list goes on. There is money available otherwise these companies wouldn't be able to invest in elections as they do. It's just, you don't have it, and they do. Actually, I thought you were a bit smarter than you let on here, but maybe I was wrong. It has happened on a couple of occasions ;-)

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 23, 12:01 am, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> > Be afraid!
>
> "Hearing footsteps", Mimi?

It was sarcasm, you lame-brained codger.

[Hugh Lawson]

Write more clearly. Don't brag about your education, instead demonstrate
it in your performance.

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:44:28 -0400, slotrot wrote
(in article <5dad9dbd-e38a-47a3...@googlegroups.com>):

No mention of all the other hand-outs? Since you seem to be sidestepping the
argument?

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 23, 5:30 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On Mar 23, 12:01 am, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> > Be afraid!
>
> >> "Hearing footsteps", Mimi?
>
> > It was sarcasm, you lame-brained codger.
>
> Write more clearly. Don't brag about your education, instead demonstrate
> it in your performance.

Post a rural joke about reaping harvests, or crop-related puns there,
Perfesser. Like you did last time. You are a Presbyterian Criminal.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:

[ snip of MiMi's rude post ]

Display respect for the persons whom you address.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 24, 5:02 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> [ snip of MiMi's rude post ]
>
> Display respect for the persons whom you address.
>
> hl

Respect for you? (Gales of Olympian laughter ricocheting off the
walls!)

[Hugh Lawson]

You must learn to show respect for those who you address.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 25, 9:18 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On Mar 24, 5:02 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >> [ snip of MiMi's rude post ]
>
> >> Display respect for the persons whom you address.
>
> >> hl
>
> > Respect for you? (Gales of Olympian laughter ricocheting off the
> > walls!)
>
> You must learn to show respect for those who you address.
>
> hl

All I owe you is my hostile testimony at your trial.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:


> All I owe you is my hostile testimony at your trial.

How ugly you make yourself with your lies. It's time for you to stop
this kind of foolish behavior.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 26, 1:51 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

You have advocated vigilante justice. I am an advocate of Federal Law.

[Hugh Lawson]

this foolish behavior.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 27, 10:29 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On Mar 26, 1:51 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> > All I owe you is my hostile testimony at your trial.
>
> >> How ugly you make yourself with your lies.  It's time for you to stop
> >> this kind of foolish behavior.
>
> > You have advocated vigilante justice. I am an advocate of Federal Law.
>
> How ugly you make yourself with your lies. It's time for you to stop
> this foolish behavior.

It's time for you to beg for forgiveness, on your knees, from the
African-American citizens of Alabama or wherever the hell you come
from.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mar 27, 10:29 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
>> > On Mar 26, 1:51 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> > All I owe you is my hostile testimony at your trial.
>>
>> >> How ugly you make yourself with your lies.  It's time for you to stop
>> >> this kind of foolish behavior.
>>
>> > You have advocated vigilante justice. I am an advocate of Federal Law.
>>
>> How ugly you make yourself with your lies. It's time for you to stop
>> this foolish behavior.
>
> It's time for you to beg for forgiveness

It's time for you to be on your knees begging forgiveness from me, for
what you have said here.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

10 generations of your own family have raped, murdered and kidnapped
innocent human beings. The guilt is on YOUR shoulders, not mine.

[slotrot]

So, your past is so picture-perfect, perhaps it is your resurrenction Christians are, for want of another word, celebrating this week-end? Doubt it though. Your foul mouth gives you up.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:


> The guilt is on YOUR shoulders, not mine.

You are guilty of what you have done: you have pretended to
know what you do not know. That's lying MiMi.

[root]

slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com> writes:


> So, your past is so picture-perfect, perhaps it is your resurrenction
> Christians are, for want of another word, celebrating this week-end?
> Doubt it though. Your foul mouth gives you up.

MiMi's a thug.

The best example is his repeated use of genocidal metaphors against an
entire population, without regard to differences among them.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Mar 30, 4:23 pm, root <r...@puppypc.i-did-not-set--mail-host-
address--so-tickle-me> wrote:

You lie. I call for Federal Law Enforcement to investigate treason.

[Hugh Lawson]

The best example of Mito Minister's thug-hood is his repeated use of
genocidal metaphors. Everybody knows this.

The second-best is his congental truthlessness.

MiMi is a troll, and bully wannabee.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 1, 10:04 pm, Hugh Lawson <hlaw...@sony.i-did-not-set--mail-host-
address--so-tickle-me> wrote:

You are the inheritor and supporter of Jim Crow. That is your legacy,
which you deny on a daily basis. You grew up in the South and as an
adult had a chance to make a difference. You consented to segregation
out of FEAR from your kin-folk. You are part of the problem, not the
solution. Take a look at your fellow church-goers. Look at their
Southern Whiteness.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:


> You are the inheritor and supporter of Jim Crow. That is your legacy,
> which you deny on a daily basis. You grew up in the South and as an
> adult had a chance to make a difference. You consented to segregation
> out of FEAR from your kin-folk. You are part of the problem, not the
> solution. Take a look at your fellow church-goers. Look at their
> Southern Whiteness.

MiMi turns these ideas over in his head. They have nothing to do with
me, but are the way MiMi understands the American TV he watched as a
kid.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 2, 9:00 pm, Hugh Lawson <hlaw...@sony.i-did-not-set--mail-host-
address--so-tickle-me> wrote:

Jesus was not a White Man, you racist bastard!

[slotrot]

I'm guessing you didn't get your fill of chocolate Easter eggs last week-end. But for someone pretending to be righteous, the use of Jesus and bastard in the same sentence is rather strange. Did you eat the ears first?

[MITO MINISTER]

The Jesus in your church is a symbol of White Nationalism.

[Hugh Lawson]

Control yourself Mito Minister.

[Hugh Lawson]

Actually Mito M. called for the death of millions.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 3, 9:46 pm, Hugh Lawson <hlaw...@sony.i-did-not-set--mail-host-

I'll control myself about as much as Ian Paisley did at the European
Parliament. You know what I am talking about. No one else here does.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 3, 9:47 pm, Hugh Lawson <hlaw...@sony.i-did-not-set--mail-host-
address--so-tickle-me> wrote:

The TOTAL EXTERMINATION of Southern White Culture and HERITAGE.
Absolutely.

Death? That's for Federal Law and Federal Firing Squads to decide, not
me.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:


> I'll control myself

You need to act like a grownup, Mito Minister.

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:


> Death? That's for Federal Law and Federal Firing Squads to decide, not
> me.

Caught in his lies, Mito Minister tries to wiggle out.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 4, 11:01 am, Hugh Lawson <hlaw...@sony.i-did-not-set--mail-host-
address--so-tickle-me> wrote:

> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> > Death? That's for Federal Law and Federal Firing Squads to decide, not
> > me.
>
> Caught in his lies, Mito Minister tries to wiggle out.

You are a supporter of Jim Crow. You belong in jail.

[Hugh Lawson]

Mito minister wraps himself more tightly in his lies. What a loser you
are mm.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 4, 9:12 pm, Hugh Lawson <hlaw...@sony.i-did-not-set--mail-host-

address--so-tickle-me> wrote:
> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On Apr 4, 11:01 am, Hugh Lawson <hlaw...@sony.i-did-not-set--mail-host-
> > address--so-tickle-me> wrote:
> >> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> > Death? That's for Federal Law and Federal Firing Squads to decide, not
> >> > me.
>
> >> Caught in his lies, Mito Minister tries to wiggle out.
>
> > You are a supporter of Jim Crow. You belong in jail.
>
> Mito minister wraps himself more tightly in his lies.  What a loser you
> are mm.

Your language is NOT that of an elderly Southern White. "Dude",
"loser". My, my, I've got some fish to fry.

[Hugh Lawson]

MM continues to struggle in the net of lies he created.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 5, 9:39 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On Apr 4, 9:12 pm, Hugh Lawson <hlaw...@sony.i-did-not-set--mail-host-
> > address--so-tickle-me> wrote:
> >> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> > On Apr 4, 11:01 am, Hugh Lawson <hlaw...@sony.i-did-not-set--mail-host-
> >> > address--so-tickle-me> wrote:
> >> >> MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >> > Death? That's for Federal Law and Federal Firing Squads to decide, not
> >> >> > me.
>
> >> >> Caught in his lies, Mito Minister tries to wiggle out.
>
> >> > You are a supporter of Jim Crow. You belong in jail.
>
> >> Mito minister wraps himself more tightly in his lies.  What a loser you
> >> are mm.
>
> > Your language is NOT that of an elderly Southern White. "Dude",
> > "loser". My, my, I've got some fish to fry.
>
> MM continues to struggle in the net of lies he created.

There's no struggle going on here. I'm having a cold beer. You're the
one struggling to define yourself as a "Southern Liberal". And failing
miserably!

[Hugh Lawson]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:

>> MM continues to struggle in the net of lies he created.
>
> There's no struggle going on here. I'm having a cold beer. You're the
> one struggling to define yourself as a "Southern Liberal". And failing
> miserably!

When trapped in his lies, Mito Mininster spins another one.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Apr 6, 12:01 am, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:

You are a White Southerner. By definition that makes you a profesional
liar and a legatee of 400 years of kidnapping, rape, torture,
mutilation, murder and slavery. Try as hard as you will, I refuse to
let you forget the sins of your fathers - sins that you share - with
no hope of expiation - ever!

You have never before been raked over the coals for being a Southern
White Christian Boy. You must be shocked! How dare someone question
your very identity! You were not raised to be verbally abused by True
Americans and Real Humans - your betters. You were not raised to treat
Blacks as equals. You were not raised to be villified for your very
existance. It is, however, what you deserve.

Your identity is worthless and you Southern White Boys are the most
despised group on Earth.

Look at the depiction of Jesus in your so-called church next Sunday.
Look at his White Boy Features. That's White Nationalism and Jim Crow
- in 2013!

You are a fraud.

[Hugh Lawson]

More of MiMi's silly thoughts.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

Whassup, Boy? No retort? You belong to a long-ridiculed and despised
sub-group of Caucasians. You don't get it, do you? You are a member of
a worthless ethno-cultural group that is on its last legs. You have
NEVER had your identity called into question. The question has been
answered.

Now go and pray to your White Jesus in your White Church, Boy!

[hla...@hobbit.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me]

MITO MINISTER <cigarm...@gmail.com> writes:

>
> Whassup, Boy? No retort? You belong to a long-ridiculed and despised
> sub-group of Caucasians. You don't get it, do you? You are a member of
> a worthless ethno-cultural group that is on its last legs. You have
> NEVER had your identity called into question. The question has been
> answered.
>
> Now go and pray to your White Jesus in your White Church, Boy!

Somebody throw Mito Minister a fish. LOL>