So when will the Enron mess and Afghanistan intersect?
Vigilante
American military occupation in the Middle East.
William G. Davis
"Vigilante" <vigilan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Vigilante
reading the header, you should care enough to respond. plonking is an
excuse for not thinking.
bost...@alt.net
wrote:
>you know the military-industrail complex good ol' boys are lovin'
>American military occupation in the Middle East.
They intersected yesterday when the new Bush budget came out. As Paul
Krugman dwrote in today's NY Times: "the administrations new motto
seems to be 'Leave no defense contractor behind." Meanwhile, despite
totally looting the Social Security and Medicare surpluses, and
running up a $106 billion deficit, the Administation is adamant about
cutting taxes further for the richest Americans, who, of course,
contibuted so generously to Bush's campaign (aka, kickbacks).
-- bostnbob
Ed Frank
> a new world record! if you cared enough to click on the post after
> reading the header, you should care enough to respond. plonking is an
> excuse for not thinking.
I cared enough only to find out that your post
has nothing to do with the stated subject of
this newsgroup.
Ed "go plonk yourself, pseud" Frank
...rmk
bost...@alt.net at bost...@alt.net propounded:
Not kickbacks. It's known as taking care of your constituency.
Hey if the Dems had won the minimum wage would have gone up. Same money
different pockets. Think of how much less overhead there is distributing
all that money to a a few rich folks rather than trying to get it out to all
those poor folks. Some of them don't even have permanent addresses. Imagine
how much it would cost to get the money to some ex-Enron slob who's living
on the street because his retirement savings went bye-bye. The Bush admin
must have saved millions in postage alone.
I'll tell you, though, the next time the government is this generous I
really do think they should give us a "reach around". N'est pas?
...rmk
...rmk
--
Second Under Secretary to the Unregulated Committee on Sarcasm & Caustic
Truth, Upper Left Hand Region.
Geoff Blankenmeyer
> really do think they should give us a "reach around". N'est pas?
Didn't you get your "Vote for me" bribe? Ya gotta fill out the
paperwork!
Geoff
...rmk
at glb...@wi.rr.com propounded:
Naw, too much depreciation. Hey anyone want a Laundromat. Great location.
Great tax shelter. Of course there was no compensation for the ten or
twelve grand I paid in self-employment taxes.
dsc
Boy, are you guys dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Dumb as sacks of dirt. Dumb as
boxes of hammers. Retire-the-trophy dumb. Heartbreakingly dumb. Dumb enough
to make Forrest Gump weep with pity.
1. If we had been making appropriate defense expenditures for the last eight
years, we wouldn't be playing catch-up now. And play catch-up we must, for
as September 11th showed us, there are many people in the world who hate us.
2. There never was any Social Security and Medicare surplus. That was all
smoke and mirrors.
3. Dems are far dirtier with kickbacks than the Pubbies.
4. Any percentage of a larger amount is more than the same percentage of a
smaller amount. If you give all Americans, say, a four-percent tax cut,
somebody who makes $400,000 a year gets to keep more of his own money than
somebody who makes only $40,000 a year. However, both get a tax reduction of
the same percentage. To say that a flat, across-the-board tax cut
constitutes cutting taxes "for the richest Americans," as though giving the
same percentage cut to everyone were in some way unjust, well...
(sing to the tune of Do Re Mi from The Sound of Music)
That brings us back to dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb,
"D", for dumb, for bone head dumb,
"U", for utterly sans brain,
"M", for miles, behind us all,
"B" for boob-bait bubba lugs,
Hey!
Libs, the dumbest of the dumb,
Every thing they think is wrong,
Minds as closed as any thug,
And that brings us back to dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb...
(Repeat)
Bruce Weiers
Son of Spam
> > On 4 Feb 2002 13:26:08 -0800, vigilan...@yahoo.com (Vigilante)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >you know the military-industrail complex good ol' boys are lovin'
> > >American military occupation in the Middle East.
> > They intersected yesterday when the new Bush budget came out. As Paul
> > Krugman dwrote in today's NY Times: "the administrations new motto
> > seems to be 'Leave no defense contractor behind." Meanwhile, despite
> > totally looting the Social Security and Medicare surpluses, and
> > running up a $106 billion deficit, the Administation is adamant about
> > cutting taxes further for the richest Americans, who, of course,
> > contibuted so generously to Bush's campaign (aka, kickbacks).
>
> Boy, are you guys dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Dumb as sacks of dirt. Dumb as
> boxes of hammers. Retire-the-trophy dumb. Heartbreakingly dumb. Dumb enough
> to make Forrest Gump weep with pity.
>
> 1. If we had been making appropriate defense expenditures for the last eight
> years, we wouldn't be playing catch-up now. And play catch-up we must, for
> as September 11th showed us, there are many people in the world who hate us.
Your sew smart it hurts. It seems to me that we whupped some butt
when it came to the military considerations after 9/11. We came, we
seen, we kicked @ss, as it were. What extra spending would have
enabled our armed forces to exact vengeance with any more efficiency
than they did?
The letdown seems to have come on the counterterrorism, the budget for
which only exponentiated under Clinton.
> 2. There never was any Social Security and Medicare surplus. That was all
> smoke and mirrors.
We were running in the black. Now we're running in the red. That's
all I know.
>
> 3. Dems are far dirtier with kickbacks than the Pubbies.
This is so utterly wrong, I don't even know where to begin. Both Dems
and Republicans are so completely dirty, it's hard to root for either
any more. I usually root for Dems simply because they have less seed
money, so their wacky schemes usually end up causing much less
damage... remember, Clinton probably made a cool mill off Whitewater,
while the Bush family take off S&L and the Enron cabal take off
Enrongate amounts to <Carl Sagan> BILLY-UNS and BILLY-UNS of dollars
<\Carl Sagan>.
> 4. Any percentage of a larger amount is more than the same percentage of a
> smaller amount. If you give all Americans, say, a four-percent tax cut,
> somebody who makes $400,000 a year gets to keep more of his own money than
> somebody who makes only $40,000 a year. However, both get a tax reduction of
> the same percentage. To say that a flat, across-the-board tax cut
> constitutes cutting taxes "for the richest Americans," as though giving the
> same percentage cut to everyone were in some way unjust, well...
So what you're saying is, a rich man spending $100,000 on a Ferrari
improves the economy as much as 1000 poor people spending $100 on
groceries. Just wanted to clarify.
dsc
news:12d2e797.02020...@posting.google.com...
> This is so utterly wrong, I don't even know where to begin.
No, actually, it's completely right. Just as men are not all equally honest
or dishonest, neither are the men who make up the two political parties.
> remember, Clinton probably made a cool mill off Whitewater,
> while the Bush family take off S&L and the Enron cabal take off
> Enrongate amounts to <Carl Sagan> BILLY-UNS and BILLY-UNS of dollars
> <\Carl Sagan>.
Road apples. You come back when there's any indication that Bush or anyone
connected with him did anything wrong in connection with Enron. So far,
there's none.
> So what you're saying is, a rich man spending $100,000 on a Ferrari
> improves the economy as much as 1000 poor people spending $100 on
> groceries. Just wanted to clarify.
If you *really* want to clarify, read on.
Unless the rich man is given the freedom to make a profit, unless government
refrains from taxing away the fruits of his labors, he will not engage in
economic activity. If you tell him, "No matter how hard you work, you will
never be allowed to make enough money to buy that Ferrari," he will not
invest. He will not start new companies or expand existing ones.
He'll find a safe place for his money, and engage in activities that create
few jobs. That's why leftist icon John Lennon moved to New York--to escape
confiscatory British tax rates. And very little that he did after that
benefited the English economy.
What all that means is that those 1,000 poor people will not have jobs to
earn $100 to spend on groceries.
The "rich" are the people who create jobs by engaging in economic activity.
The creation of jobs is a *byproduct* of an individual trying to make a
profit. Discourage that, and you suppress job creation. That holds even
if--especially if--the individual is a rich man trying to make a really big
profit.
Freedom necessarily includes the freedom to make a profit. Even if that
means they have more money than you, and you have to sit around envying them
and feeling sorry for yourself all day.
Far and away the majority of American millionaires made their money
themselves. They didn't inherit it. They created new wealth through their
own efforts, and paid a lot of salaries while they were doing it.
Trish Winston
> "Son of Spam" <slippymi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:12d2e797.02020...@posting.google.com...
>
>
> He'll find a safe place for his money, and engage in activities that
create
> few jobs. That's why leftist icon John Lennon moved to New York--to escape
> confiscatory British tax rates. And very little that he did after that
> benefited the English economy.
>
>
not a single note he wrote has ever inspired another musician. And the
sorry SOB didn't even contribute to the meat packing industry with his
vegetarianism. Yup.. The world sure is a poorer place artistically and
spiritually now that Lennon has left his mark. Not a single job in the
recording industry created, no sales jobs, not a thing. That John Lennon is
just a tax evadin' commie pinko traitor.
Trish
dsc
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> Absolutely true! All that music he created was absolutely meaningless and
> not a single note he wrote has ever inspired another musician. And the
> sorry SOB didn't even contribute to the meat packing industry with his
> vegetarianism. Yup.. The world sure is a poorer place artistically and
> spiritually now that Lennon has left his mark. Not a single job in the
> recording industry created, no sales jobs, not a thing. That John Lennon
is
> just a tax evadin' commie pinko traitor.
You done making a fool of yourself for the time being?
The issue is that his tax flight took his money out of Britain, not his
worth--or worthlessness--as a songwriter and human being.
Lennon's money was not in British banks, where it would have been available
for those banks to loan out to Brits wanting to start or expand businesses.
In all probability, any jobs he created in the recording industry after his
tax flight were created in the US recording industry.
That said, yes, our culture is worse for his impact. Calling his stuff "art"
is like comparing the contents of the National Gallery with a first-grade
class's finger-paintings. The musicians he may have "inspired" were
"inspired" to write similar trash. He was much further to the left than
"pink," and it is thought that he contributed large sums to terrorist groups
to fund attacks.
He was a shallow, insipid, wrong-headed, wife-beating scumbag, who got lucky
in writing shallow songs for a shallow public.
That you use the word "spiritual" in connection with that piece of trash is
ludicrous. His despicable song, "Imagine," is nothing but a rehash of the
Communist Manifesto set to bad, repetitious, boring music. "...no religion.
too..." Spiritual my aching hillary.
Gad, after just talking about him, I feel like taking another shower with
strong disinfectant.
Son of Spam
> "Son of Spam" <slippymi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > This is so utterly wrong, I don't even know where to begin.
>
> No, actually, it's completely right. Just as men are not all equally honest
> or dishonest, neither are the men who make up the two political parties.
Nope. They are all equally dishonest.
>
> > remember, Clinton probably made a cool mill off Whitewater,
> > while the Bush family take off S&L and the Enron cabal take off
> > Enrongate amounts to <Carl Sagan> BILLY-UNS and BILLY-UNS of dollars
> > <\Carl Sagan>.
>
> Road apples. You come back when there's any indication that Bush or anyone
> connected with him did anything wrong in connection with Enron. So far,
> there's none.
And the only thing that came of Whitewater was that Clinton had a
fetish for plump interns. What's your point? We all know what's been
stolen and who did the stealing, just like we all know who killed
Nicole Brown Simpson. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and really
knowing what happened are two different things.
So how does an orphan sewing Nike shoes in Bangladesh for 5 cents an
hour put $100 dollars worth of groceries on my table, again?
Trish Winston
Musicology and other serious music studies. Stay away from institutions of
higher learning as well. And for heaven's sake don't read anything by Frank
Sinatra. I would hate for reality to get in the way of your nice little
gold-standard world.
Not all of us worship Mammon.
If only you could just give peace a chance...
Trish
dsc
> I *Imagine*d that would be your comment. I suggest avoiding the Journal
of
> Musicology and other serious music studies.
Howls, Bruce. Howls of derisive laughter. Yeah, they're "serious."
> Stay away from institutions of
> higher learning as well.
Little lady, I graduated from University before they were *totally*
corrupted by the kind of people who revere Lennon and Lenin. That gives me a
good deal more perspective on both of them than you.
> And for heaven's sake don't read anything by Frank
> Sinatra.
Sinatra was a mob-connected, philandering, hard-drinking *pop* singer.
> I would hate for reality to get in the way of your nice little
> gold-standard world.
When it comes to music, Bach, Motzart, and Beethoven *are* the gold
standard. Lennon wouldn't make a good pimple on the ass of any of them. And
what he--or you--knew or know about reality wouldn't make a red spot on such
a pimple.
> Not all of us worship Mammon.
It's hilarious you should say that, since Mammon was the closest thing
Lennon had to a god.
> If only you could just give peace a chance...
Infantile idiocy, and wrong on so many levels one despairs of you ever
finding your way to the light.
dsc
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> > No, actually, it's completely right. Just as men are not all equally
honest
> > or dishonest, neither are the men who make up the two political parties.
> Nope. They are all equally dishonest.
Come on, a moment's reflection has to show you that's ridiculous nonsense.
The Democratic Party (aka CPUSA) and the things they believe are simply more
attractive to dishonest men and women--and those who can be duped by
them--than are the Republican party and the things they believe.
> And the only thing that came of Whitewater was that Clinton had a
> fetish for plump interns.
The reason that nothing came of it was that Susan McDougall went to jail for
a long time rather than tell the truth, Webb Hubbell reneged on his plea
bargain, and several other people died mysteriously. The reason nothing is
coming of efforts to tie Bush to Enron is that there is no wrongdoing on his
part.
The d*cks*cker scandal was just a plausible diversion to lead our eyes away
from Clinton's real crimes.
> What's your point? We all know what's been
> stolen and who did the stealing
You don't. You "know" a lot of crap that you should know better than to
believe.
> just like we all know who killed
> Nicole Brown Simpson. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and really
> knowing what happened are two different things.
Then what's your excuse for not knowing that Clinton had Jim McDougal, Jerry
Parks, Ron Brown, Vince Foster, and a trainload of other people killed?
> So how does an orphan sewing Nike shoes in Bangladesh for 5 cents an
> hour put $100 dollars worth of groceries on my table, again?
Ah, I see you are so full of error, and of unjustified hatred based on that
error, that you are unable to follow a reasoned argument.
While I'm willing to listen to your arguments that it would be better to let
that orphan starve to death in the gutter rather than hire him at a low
wage, the question of first-world companies paying third-world wages in the
third world is irrelevant to my remarks concerning the functioning of a free
economy. In short, your remark is as silly as it is malicious.
What puts $100 worth of groceries on your table, unless you work for the
government or are a welfare parasite, is an economic process that begins
with somebody deciding to try and make a profit. Everybody who works for
Ford is able to eat because Henry Ford wanted to make a profit. Everybody
who works for Microsoft is able to eat because Bill Gates wanted to make a
profit.
The three people who work at Gibson's Florist Shop in Choctaw, Oklahoma are
able to eat because Mr. Gibson decided to try and make a profit.
That's the way free people act when busybodies like you aren't pointing a
gun at their heads. That's the way it is, and that's the way it should be.
Hugh Lawson
> I graduated from University before they were *totally*
> corrupted by the kind of people who revere Lennon and Lenin.
When was that?
--
Hugh Lawson
hla...@triad.rr.com
Stephen McCullough
department at the University of Alabama, prefer Pink Floyd and Trotsky.
Stephen McCullough
Ed Frank
> I resent the original remark. I and my colleagues in the history
> department at the University of Alabama, prefer Pink Floyd and Trotsky.
>
> Stephen McCullough
I think it was tragic that Lennon wasn't shot
before he wrote "Imagine," just like it's tragic
that Kubrick didn't die before "Eyes Wide Shut."
Ed "now, about that Herr 'Motzart' . . ." Frank
Son of Spam
> "Son of Spam" <slippymi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:12d2e797.02020...@posting.google.com...
>
> > > No, actually, it's completely right. Just as men are not all equally
> honest
> > > or dishonest, neither are the men who make up the two political parties.
> > Nope. They are all equally dishonest.
>
> Come on, a moment's reflection has to show you that's ridiculous nonsense.
> The Democratic Party (aka CPUSA) and the things they believe are simply more
> attractive to dishonest men and women--and those who can be duped by
> them--than are the Republican party and the things they believe.
What's it like on your planet?
Robert Willett
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> > "Son of Spam" <slippymi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > > No, actually, it's completely right. Just as men are not all equally
> > honest
> > > > or dishonest, neither are the men who make up the two political
parties.
> > > Nope. They are all equally dishonest.
> >
> > Come on, a moment's reflection has to show you that's ridiculous
nonsense.
> > The Democratic Party (aka CPUSA) and the things they believe are simply
more
> > attractive to dishonest men and women--and those who can be duped by
> > them--than are the Republican party and the things they believe.
>
> What's it like on your planet?
Lay, Skilling, and Fastow are all Democrats?
dsc
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> What's it like on your planet?
We call it "Earth." Do you plan to study it?
dsc
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> Lay, Skilling, and Fastow are all Democrats?
Well, it certainly appears that the vast majority of wrongdoing in
connection with Enron took place under the Clinton administration, and that
a lot of it involved that administration.
Of course, you can't expect the lamestream media to tell you the truth about
that. They're all too busy trying to create the illusion that Bush is
tainted by the scandal.
Son of Spam
You're tin foil hat is crooked.
raymond o'hara
>I think it was tragic that Lennon wasn't shot
>before he wrote "Imagine," just like it's tragic
>that Kubrick didn't die before "Eyes Wide Shut."
>
>Ed "now, about that Herr 'Motzart' . . ." Frank
imagine is the only good song he wrote post-beatles
Dennis Maggard
wrote:
"Imagine" is the best song he wrote post-Beatles, but I wouldn't go so
far as to say that it's good.
Dennis
dsc
> You're tin foil hat is crooked.
You really should get out more. You might discover how few people really
think like you, and how many graduate every day.
Bush has approval ratings in the 80s. For the first time, more people are
Reps than Dems. The number of people who watch the "big three" lamestream
media network TV news shows is down below 20 percent.
It's a fact that scumbags congregate on the left, and another that the Dems
are the party of the left. It is inevitable from those two facts that any
given Rep is more likely than any given Dem to be a good person, while any
given Dem is more likely to be a scumbag.
Steven Witmer
>You really should get out more. You might discover how few people really
>think like you, and how many graduate every day.
>
>Bush has approval ratings in the 80s.
Largely because of the assistance of Osama. I doubt he'd have those ratings if
Sept. 11 hadn't happened. Truth be told, *anybody* in the presidency would
have high ratings right now as long as they kept their head and didn't go off
the deep end either way. It has less to do with Bush being the Second Coming
and more to do with people feeling like they need to show support for the
government and the president right now.
For the first time, more people are
>Reps than Dems.
Which just proves that some people are "flavor of the month" voters. Check
back in a year and see if that still holds true. Then check back a year of
that and see if *that* still holds true. The American public is known
sometimes for its fickleness.
The number of people who watch the "big three" lamestream
>media network TV news shows is down below 20 percent.
All that might prove is that more people have cable or that more people are
reading books. So?
>
>It's a fact that scumbags congregate on the left,
This I will take issue with in a *BIG* way. I'd sure love to see your hard
data on this - tell me, did the study you're citing actually use the term
scumbag, or are you going to admit that you're making this up to make yourself
feel good? I think scumbag-ism is pretty much an across the board political
trait. Look at good ol' Newt (cheating on his wife for years), or Nixon (need
I elaborate?). Political party membership is no indication whatsoever if
someone is a scumbag.
and another that the Dems
>are the party of the left. It is inevitable from those two facts that any
>given Rep is more likely than any given Dem to be a good person, while any
>given Dem is more likely to be a scumbag.
And based on these comments I'd say you're working on evening out that delicate
balance, eh?
I've never been able to figure out why people treat politics like some sports
game. "My team's better than yours" just gets turned into "My party's better
than yours" and instead of foam fingers in a stadium you wave "vote for Senator
Porkbarrel" signs. How about instead of calling each other scumbags and trying
to make personal attacks on opponents, what say we try something new and
original, like actually comparing merits of the relative platforms and
candidates rather than which "team" the candidate happens to play for, hmmm?
Steven Witmer, non-party member
Jason Corley
> I've never been able to figure out why people treat politics like some sports
> game. "My team's better than yours" just gets turned into "My party's better
> than yours" and instead of foam fingers in a stadium you wave "vote for Senator
> Porkbarrel" signs. How about instead of calling each other scumbags and trying
> to make personal attacks on opponents, what say we try something new and
> original, like actually comparing merits of the relative platforms and
> candidates rather than which "team" the candidate happens to play for, hmmm?
You support terrorism. I bet you haven't even bought a new car in the
last few months.
--
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and there is some evidence that they can't read them either." ---Gore Vidal
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Ed Frank
My sentiments exactly. Something that has always
puzzled me about "Imagine" is the reverent attitude
that many otherwise pious and patriotic people
have to it. I know lyrics are only a minor part
of rock/pop songs, and not to be taken too seriously,
but the lyrics to "Imagine" are pretty blatantly
anti-religion and anti-nation-state.
The sight of a hall or stadium-full of "Imagine"
fans, swaying slowly while mouthing its flatulent
sentiments, is something I hope never to see again.
Ed "the Beatles were MUCH greater than the sum
of their parts" Frank
Dennis Maggard
>Dennis Maggard <dmag...@cox.rr.com> wrote in message news:<k7ng6u0dl6kjnhe0s...@4ax.com>...
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:18:49 GMT, "raymond o'hara" <re...@mediaone.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >>I think it was tragic that Lennon wasn't shot
>> >>before he wrote "Imagine," just like it's tragic
>> >>that Kubrick didn't die before "Eyes Wide Shut."
>> >>
>> >>Ed "now, about that Herr 'Motzart' . . ." Frank
>> >
>> >imagine is the only good song he wrote post-beatles
>>
>> "Imagine" is the best song he wrote post-Beatles, but I wouldn't go so
>> far as to say that it's good.
>
>My sentiments exactly. Something that has always
>puzzled me about "Imagine" is the reverent attitude
>that many otherwise pious and patriotic people
>have to it.
It's like the people who think "Born in the USA" is some sort of
patriotic rock anthem. Don't they ever listen to the words?
> I know lyrics are only a minor part
>of rock/pop songs, and not to be taken too seriously,
>but the lyrics to "Imagine" are pretty blatantly
>anti-religion and anti-nation-state.
I always thought there was something quite disingenuous about
a man with 90 million dollars in the bank telling me to imagine no
possessions!
>The sight of a hall or stadium-full of "Imagine"
>fans, swaying slowly while mouthing its flatulent
>sentiments, is something I hope never to see again.
>
>Ed "the Beatles were MUCH greater than the sum
>of their parts" Frank
That's for darn sure!
Dennis
Mike Marshall
The scowl on Neil Young's face when he was singing that verse recently
on Tee Vee underlined that.
-Mike
Robert Taubman
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Scribe7716
wrote:
>A good Canadian songster!!
Thought Nelson Eddy and Jeanette MacDonald were the only Canadian songsters.
"When I'm calling you... oooh... oooh... oooh... oooh.... oooh... oooh."
Brian Hampton
wrote:
[snips]
>I've never been able to figure out why people treat politics like some sports
>game.
Read _Affairs of Honor_ by Joanne Freeman. It's not an "answer," but
it's a start.
Seriously.
Has always been thus and thus always 'twill be. (Maybe)
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Brian Hampton
wrote:
>>My sentiments exactly. Something that has always
>>puzzled me about "Imagine" is the reverent attitude
>>that many otherwise pious and patriotic people
>>have to it.
>
>It's like the people who think "Born in the USA" is some sort of
>patriotic rock anthem. Don't they ever listen to the words?
I always enjoyed the cluelessness with which certain fundamentalist
Christians sects, like the devotees of Trinity Broadcasting, emersed
themselves in the rapturous spirit of U2's "Sunday, Bloody Sunday"
just because it mentioned Jesus.
Ed Frank
> >of rock/pop songs, and not to be taken too seriously,
> >but the lyrics to "Imagine" are pretty blatantly
> >anti-religion and anti-nation-state.
Dennis Maggard:
> I always thought there was something quite disingenuous about
> a man with 90 million dollars in the bank telling me to imagine no
> possessions!
No doubt Lennon saw it as a proper reward for
his virtue.
Ed "I wonder if he'd be Sir John by now
if he hadn't been shot" Frank
Ed Frank
> On 12 Feb 2002 14:09:19 GMT, witme...@aol.comNOSPAM (Steven Witmer)
> wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> >I've never been able to figure out why people treat politics like some sports
> >game.
>
> Read _Affairs of Honor_ by Joanne Freeman. It's not an "answer," but
> it's a start.
>
> Seriously.
>
> Has always been thus and thus always 'twill be. (Maybe)
A politically active friend of mine likes to
repeat something he attributes to Talleyrand:
Politics is the only game for adults.
Ed "but most pols are children, so . . ." Frank
BlanketGHS
Someone told me that Nelson Eddy was actually from New england somewhere and
Jeanette MacDonald was from Philly--but I'll take Kate Smith over both of them
any day as a Canadian songster--maybe Red Green, too
"When I call you, I'll go ooooooooh, ooooooh, oooooooh..."-- Mae West
Reg Pitts
Blank...@aol.com
who actually spent some of the best times of his life in Quebec City chasing
women and firetrucks
Robert Taubman
Canada.
Kate Smith was wonderful when she sang prior to the Flyer's hockey games. Talk
about an incredible inspiration. I have it on my computer and play it every so
often, today as a matter of fact. The best recent performance of God Bless
America was by Diana Ross at Yankee Stadium. She was great..
Oh yes Reg, both hot topics!! (les femmes and those camions)
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Trish Winston
dsc wrote earlier:
"Little lady, I graduated from University before they were *totally*
corrupted by the kind of people who revere Lennon and Lenin. That gives me a
good deal more perspective on both of them than you."
But I don't think Kate Smith was ever a "little lady". :)
* Makin' *Motz art in the shower* Trish
omphaloskepsis
The only relavance I can see to this discussion and the Civil war is
that Harry Flashman was on the loosing side in both the Afghan war of
1842 and the battle of Gettysburg. Also, John Bell Hood was from
Texas and seemd clueless sometimes.
Unlike Rubin and Slippery Bill, Bush did no favors for Enron. Some
bad guys who have no home but hell, but were being unwelcome guests in
Afghanistan, were expelled by Bush and sent home in their thousands.
The ones that survived went under some other rocks.
Now if Bush would fight those who hate the constitution here with as
much vigor as he fights those who hate us from abroad, then he would
have earned his 80%.
Dave Smith
<rtau...@rogers.com> wrote:
Regarding Neil Young:
>A good Canadian songster!!
Egads. Is there anyone who whines (other than Bob Dylan) in singing
his vocals more than Neil Young?
Give me Burton Cummings any day!
Dave
Dave Smith ". . . remember the golden rule: when the game's
Villa Hills, KY going against you, stay calm - and cheat"
-- Harry Flashman, circa 1855-56
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Toronto.
Dylan doesn't sing.
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William G. Davis
> I know, but he sold a lot of records. His dad was a great sports reporter
in
> Toronto.
> Dylan doesn't sing.
He moans and whines. But he writes great.
--
Regards,
William G. Jeff Davis
je...@pa7NOSPAM9th.org
"The poet's voice need not merely be the record of man;
it can be one of the props, the pillars to help him endure and prevail."
-- William Faulkner
Jason Corley
> Now if Bush would fight those who hate the constitution here with as
> much vigor as he fights those who hate us from abroad, then he would
> have earned his 80%.
How could he? He's hired most of them.
Geoff Blankenmeyer
> Unlike Rubin and Slippery Bill, Bush did no favors for Enron.
That is until we find out when Bush, Cheney et. al. dumped their
shares.
> Now if Bush would fight those who hate the constitution here with as
> much vigor as he fights those who hate us from abroad, then he would
> have earned his 80%.
All Bush has to do is stay out of the public eye as much as
possible, stick to the script, avoid the tempatation to ad lib
and pray no one finds Osama. Every few weeks pump out a "new
plot discovered" story and let the principles of variable
reinforcement take hold. His dad should have had his skids
greased so well.
Geoff
Mike Marshall
Geoff Blankenmeyer
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:22:37 GMT, "Robert Taubman"
> <rtau...@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> Regarding Neil Young:
>
>
>>A good Canadian songster!!
>>
>
> Egads. Is there anyone who whines (other than Bob Dylan) in singing
> his vocals more than Neil Young?
I hear he is all set to form a compact with Stills and Nash but
that the remaining members of Lynyrd Skynyrd are going to secede.
Geoff
Drazen Kramaric
>My sentiments exactly. Something that has always
>puzzled me about "Imagine" is the reverent attitude
>that many otherwise pious and patriotic people
>have to it. I know lyrics are only a minor part
>of rock/pop songs, and not to be taken too seriously,
>but the lyrics to "Imagine" are pretty blatantly
>anti-religion and anti-nation-state.
IIRC, "Imagine" was against the concept of private property too. If he
was that opposed to basic values of the society he chose to live in,
he should have moved to Moscow, as well as all the others stood by the
message of that song. A few years in "workers' paradise" would have
cured them once for all.
>The sight of a hall or stadium-full of "Imagine"
>fans, swaying slowly while mouthing its flatulent
>sentiments, is something I hope never to see again.
Ditto.
Drax
Drazen Kramaric
<rtau...@rogers.com> wrote:
>The best recent performance of God Bless America was by Diana Ross at Yankee Stadium.
As much as I admire the American talent for spectacle I've never
bought pop singers on sport stadiums singing anthems and other
patriotic songs while everyone else remaining silent.
Nothing beats brass music playing the national anthem accompanied by
50,000 fans.
Drax "always have throat problem after the national soccer team's
mathc"
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winning the gold in hockey!! (men and women)
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William G. Davis
> Actuall Drax, nothing beats the playing of the Canadian National Anthem
after
> winning the gold in hockey!! (men and women)
OOooh, geez, I dunno. That's the same as the playing of the Star Spangled
Banner when our major leaguers win the gold in baseball.
Now, if it were in lacross....
;>)#
--
Regards,
William G. Jeff Davis
je...@pa7NOSPAM9th.org
"Time . . . time. What is time? The Swiss manufacture it,
the French hoard it. Italians squander it. Americans say
it is money. Hindus say it does not exist. Do you know what
I say? I say time is a crook."
O'Hara (Peter Lorre) in "Beat the Devil"
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Canadian??? ;-)
Heh, heh, heh,
Bob "is it spring yet? The Mustang is restless." Taubman
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raymond o'hara
> When was that? Did I miss that? Do you mean basketball, a game invented
by a
> Canadian??? ;-)
an ex canadian , he invented basketball in massachusetts where he was ad and
football coach at springfield college .
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