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Mike Griffith

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Sep 17, 2008, 8:55:34 PM9/17/08
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Here are some of the problems I have with Obama:

* He's proposing increases in the income tax, the payroll tax, import
taxes, the death tax, and is calling for new taxes on investments and
energy, at a time when the government is already consuming over 20% of
our GDP. Yet he promises that all these tax increases won't affect
middle- and low-income workers.

* He wants to raise the capital gains tax by 33% (from 15% to 20%).

* He's proposing nearly $1 trillion in new spending at a time when
we're already over $9 trillion debt.

* He's one of the biggest spenders in the U.S. Senate and has received
very poor ratings from bipartisan fiscal watchdog groups like the
National Taxpayers Union and from Citizens Against Government Waste.

* For months and months he solemnly promised he would accept public
campaign financing, but then broke his promise when he realized he
could get a lot more money by opting out of the system. He even had
the gall to pretend that he was opting out of public financing for the
sake of campaign finance reform! (McCain, on the other hand, is
keeping his promise to accept public campaign financing.)

* He has an arrogant, hostile attitude toward people of faith. When
speaking to a group of ultra-liberals, and not realizing that he was
being taped, he said that rural Pennsylvanians are people who cling to
their religion and their guns and who don't like immigrants because
they're bitter.

* He wants to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act, which is the law
that allows states to refuse to recognize other states' gay
marriages.

* He opposes the Federal Marriage Amendment.

* During the Democratic debate at Dartmouth last year, he said he
agreed that children should be given a positive image of homosexuality
in the second grade. The issue arose because of a case where second
graders were being read a story about two gay princes.

* He supports the recent CA Supreme Court decision legalizing gay
marriage.

* He opposes the CA Marriage Protection Amendment, i.e., Proposition
8, calling it "divisive" and "discriminatory."

* He's the most radical pro-abortion candidate ever.

* In the Illinois senate, he even voted against the IL Born Alive
Infant Protection Act, which merely said that if a baby survived an
abortion the doctor could not kill him but had to try to save him.

* He's voted against parental notification and against prohibiting the
transportation of *minors* across state lines to obtain abortions. I
find that revolting as well. Even Harry Reid voted for those two
measures.

* He supports the so-called Freedom of Choice Act, which would abolish
all state and federal restrictions on abortion.

Mike Griffith
Real Issues Home Page
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/

Raymond O'Hara

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Sep 17, 2008, 9:10:37 PM9/17/08
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On Sep 17, 8:55 pm, Mike Griffith <michael.t.griff...@gmail.com>
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he's going to cut my taxes. and probably yours too.
but you think someday you'll be RICH and those taxes migh limit you to
onlt 6 ferrais.
and there is no "death tax" its an "inheritance tax" you you
libertarians and repiublicans always talk about making your own way.
yet you want to create a nobility based on heredity. the founding
fathers , those men whose orignial intent you claim to revere, created
the first estate tax. they used it to fund the USN.


we know what troubles you about obama.

Mike Griffith

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Sep 17, 2008, 9:41:19 PM9/17/08
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On Sep 17, 9:10 pm, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>
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> we know what troubles you about obama.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

The economy is not a compartmented boat where you can suck a bunch of
air out of one or two compartments and not affect the others. When
Obama jacks up taxes on small businesses, corporations, and those who
own them, what do you suppose they're going to do? What do you think
small businesses are going to do when Obama jacks up the capital gains
tax from 15% to 20%? To whom do you think they're going to pass along
much of that added cost? What do you think is going to happen to
capital gains transactions, one of the lifebloods of any economy, when
the cap gains rate is upped by 33%? History has shown that every
single time we've raised the cap gains tax, we've received *less* cap
gains revenue. Why? Because when you make a transaction markedly
more costly, you invariably reduce the number of those transactions.
And on and on we could go.

The framers never dreamed of a death tax in the amount of 45% or
higher.

"Create a nobility based on heredity"? Huh? We're talking about the
right of a person to pass along to their family their estate, which is
their property, not the government's. Where does the government get
off coming in and taking nearly half or more of a man's property at
his death? And, yes, that's a death tax. It's only triggered when
you die, hence the appropriate term "death tax."

But, hey, go ahead and drink Obama's voodoo economics kool-aid, but
don't cry and scream when the economy is devastaed by Obama's
socialist policies.

Mike Griffith

Raymond O'Hara

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Sep 18, 2008, 1:35:24 AM9/18/08
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On Sep 17, 9:41 pm, Mike Griffith <michael.t.griff...@gmail.com>
> Mike Griffith- Hide quoted text -

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good so the tax is at the point of purchase.

things belong to whomever the constitution and laws of the united
states say they do.
once they passed a property tax they eliminated property rights.
don't pay the property tax and see what you own.
those road and bridges and schools and things like fire and police
don't come free.
even if you take 50% of a guy with $100,000,000 he still has $50mil
and i think he will get by
take 20% from a guy with $20,000 and you're hurting him.

Rambler III

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Sep 18, 2008, 10:39:24 AM9/18/08
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"Mike Griffith" <michael.t...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Here are some of the problems I have with Obama:

[snip]

He also wants to repeal the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy so
that homosexuals can serve openly.

Rambler III

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Sep 18, 2008, 10:55:12 AM9/18/08
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"Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]


he's going to cut my taxes. and probably yours too.

How's he going to cut something you don't pay?

but you think someday you'll be RICH and those taxes migh limit you to
onlt 6 ferrais.

Your hyperbole is inane.

and there is no "death tax" its an "inheritance tax" you you
libertarians and repiublicans always talk about making your own way.
yet you want to create a nobility based on heredity.

You're silly.

we know what troubles you about obama.

1] He's a windbag.
2] He needs a teleprompter to make imprompto remarks.
3] Barbara "the nose" Streisand
3] Barbara "over-the-hill" Walters

slotrot

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Sep 18, 2008, 5:52:01 PM9/18/08
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On Sep 18, 10:39 am, "Rambler III" <Ramble...@xyz.com> wrote:
> "Mike Griffith" <michael.t.griff...@gmail.com> wrote in message

And what is the problem with that? Oh yeah, you were in the forces
when "men were men", whatever that means.

slotrot

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Sep 18, 2008, 5:54:23 PM9/18/08
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On Sep 18, 10:55 am, "Rambler III" <Ramble...@xyz.com> wrote:
> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Now, there is the typical Conservative response. Ad hominem attacks,
and being unable to argue policy civily. We have the same arrogant
Conservative stance in Canada with Stephen Harper who is also running
for election.

Rambler III

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Sep 19, 2008, 5:08:37 AM9/19/08
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"slotrot" <Robert....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 18, 10:55 am, "Rambler III" <Ramble...@xyz.com> wrote:
> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a23ac1f3-bf37-49aa...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> [snip]
>
> he's going to cut my taxes. and probably yours too.
>
> How's he going to cut something you don't pay?
>
> but you think someday you'll be RICH and those taxes migh limit you to
> onlt 6 ferrais.
>
> Your hyperbole is inane.
>
> and there is no "death tax" its an "inheritance tax" you you
> libertarians and repiublicans always talk about making your own way.
> yet you want to create a nobility based on heredity.
>
> You're silly.
>
> we know what troubles you about obama.
>
> 1] He's a windbag.
> 2] He needs a teleprompter to make imprompto remarks.
> 3] Barbara "the nose" Streisand
> 4] Barbara "over-the-hill" Walters

Now, there is the typical Conservative response. Ad hominem attacks,
and being unable to argue policy civily. We have the same arrogant
Conservative stance in Canada with Stephen Harper who is also running
for election.

Which number is incorrect? How BIG is Streisand's nose? How OLD is
Walters?

Add:

5] Joe "The Plagiarist" Biden
6] ACORN and his ACORN mentors
7] Inexperience
8] His Chicago connections
9] Far Left agenda
10] George Soros
11] How many lobbyists are HIS close advisors?
12] Comparing his "running a campaign experience" with a mayor's job
13] His ignorance. e.g. A mayor's and governor's job is to apply for
earmarks. If they don't, they're remiss
14 His continual denial that "The Surge" was successful
15] Birds of a feather (Cabinet appointees?):

Louis Farrakhan
Rev. Joseph Lowery
James Meeks
Rev. Otis Moss
Rev. Michael Pfleger
Jim Wallis
Rev. Jeremiah Wright

Rashid Khalidi
Edward Said
Cornel West

Nadhmi Auchi
Robert Blackwell, Jr.
Tony Rezko

16] Membership in Left-leaning organizations:
Arab American Action Network
International Crisis Group
MoveOn
National Council of La Raza
Planned Parenthood Federation of America
Project Vote
Sojourners
Joyce Foundation
Woods Fund of Chicago


Rambler III

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Sep 19, 2008, 5:23:50 AM9/19/08
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"slotrot" <Robert....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Besides trying to be your "buddy", what a can of worms to be opened.

What's next?

Allowed to get married in Massachusetts? Sleep in a double bed in
barracks? Be paid "family separation allowance"? Occupy on-base, family
quarters? Will they be allowed to wear eye shadow, lipstick, and nail
polish on duty? Speak in falsetto? Hold hands while in formation? Get a
trans-sexual operation or a breast enlargement at the base hospital?
Wear dresses and high heels on duty?


Bruce Martin

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Sep 19, 2008, 8:52:52 AM9/19/08
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"Rambler III" <Ramb...@xyz.com> wrote in message
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Spare us your daily routine.


Bruce Martin

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Sep 19, 2008, 8:55:47 AM9/19/08
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"Rambler III" <Ramb...@xyz.com> wrote in message
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Dont forget:

ray o'hara: Depertment of speling (:-))


Rambler III

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Sep 19, 2008, 10:31:21 AM9/19/08
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"Bruce Martin" <mart...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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[snip]

> Dont forget:
>
> ray o'hara: Depertment of speling (:-))


Or: departtnemt of lost capitals


Hugh Lawson

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Sep 19, 2008, 11:07:46 AM9/19/08
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"Rambler III" <Ramb...@xyz.com> writes:

richmond?

--
Hugh Lawson
hla...@triad.rr.com

C.M. German

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"Rambler III" <Ramb...@xyz.com> wrote in message
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Everyone lauds the good training of govt employees. The military abolished
caps years ago when they discovered it took too much time to type a dispatch
using the shift key. Never mind how hard it is to read.


Rambler III

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Sep 19, 2008, 2:44:47 PM9/19/08
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"C.M. German" <c.ge...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Was this recently?

These are accurate transcription except serial numbers have been
deleted:

HEADQUARTERS

3525 Pilot Training Wing (Adv SE)

Williams Air Force Base

Chandler, Arizona

SPECIAL ORDERS

NUMBER 1
3 January 1949

E X T R A C T

* * *
* * * *

18. Fol named Airmen 3527th Maint Sq are promoted to Pfc. (Auth: AR
615-5 and AF Reg 35-54 dtd 30 Oct 44)

Pvt Curey LeJeune

Pvt Howard G Walker

DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE

Headquarters

6200 Combat Support Group (PACAF)

APO San Francisco 96274

SPECIAL ORDER
18 June 1966

AB-1280

Each of the following named Technical Sergeant, organization indicated,
PACAF, APO indicated, is promoted to the permanent grade of MASTER
SERGEANT, effective 21 Jun 66 with the date of rank 1 Jun 66. Authority:
AFR 39-29 and letter from Hq, Thirteenth Air Force, DPPM, 7 June 66,
Airman Promotions.

6200 Supply Squadron, APO 96274

JACK W PARKHURST

ARTHUR R TRIP

ABNER A VAUGHAN

HOWARD G WALKER


C.M. German

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Sep 19, 2008, 3:06:04 PM9/19/08
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Must have been some of those "college boys". I was just a flight line mech.

CM


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Rambler III

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"C.M. German" <c.ge...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Must have been some of those "college boys". I was just a flight line
> mech.

High school dropout with a GED count? I passed the HS GED on 12 May 1948
at Scott AF Base.

Took some USAFI correspondence courses (16?), attended Management School
for Supervisors twice, Collateral Training, and a CBR Course, but all
the rest was OJT.


Bruce Martin

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Sep 19, 2008, 4:11:24 PM9/19/08
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"Hugh Lawson" <hla...@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:87tzcc5...@desktop.xx.yy...

> "Rambler III" <Ramb...@xyz.com> writes:
>
>> "Bruce Martin" <mart...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:njNAk.227608$102.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> [snip]
>>
>> > Dont forget:
>> >
>> > ray o'hara: Depertment of speling (:-))
>>
>>
>> Or: departtnemt of lost capitals
>>
>
> richmond?

Lost Capitals, not Capitals that lost. :-)
>
> --
> Hugh Lawson
> hla...@triad.rr.com


robin

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Sep 19, 2008, 6:20:22 PM9/19/08
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With due respect to Mike Griffiths, I don't think I am too terribly
far off base to say that from my perspective the Democrats seem just
oddly uncomfortable with the Sarah Palin success (so far) and I cannot
help wondering if it might have something to do with the Hillary
denoument. One gutsy little lady in pantsuits versus a gang of nearly
a dozen good old boy (liberals).

Not that there is anything at all wrong with the way our predecessors
had to cope, the hardships endured in bygone days, and even our
parents generation. In families there was a time-honored (gender
based) division of labor. Moms raised the kids, dads were bread-
winners and war-fighters.

In fairness, how can we single out Obama for the slightly unchivalrous
treatment of Hillary? In actual fact, I myself never witnessed the
least disrespect from Senator Obama. Always he was the perfect
gentleman, yet if we are fair to him, it was his job, so to speak, to
accentuate the differences, and to gently point out Clinton's
weaknesses.

All we know for sure is that Palin has been a lightning rod for
Democratic oratorical or rhetorical blasts.

Strange. In the polls, she fares surprisingly well even among
normally Democratic voters.

Hey, in Alaska she was the gutsy little lady taking on the Big Shots
(the oil industry and the entrenched "good old boys" of the Republican
Party insider club).

Barry

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"Bruce Martin" <mart...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
d>> What's next?

>>
>> Allowed to get married in Massachusetts? Sleep in a double bed in
>> barracks? Be paid "family separation allowance"? Occupy on-base, family
>> quarters? Will they be allowed to wear eye shadow, lipstick, and nail
>> polish on duty? Speak in falsetto? Hold hands while in formation? Get a
>> trans-sexual operation or a breast enlargement at the base hospital? Wear
>> dresses and high heels on duty?
>>
>
> Spare us your daily routine.

What routine? Jews are now allowed yarmulkas while on duty instead of
regulation headgear...


>
>


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