>>On Sep 19, 7:49 pm, Hugh Lawson <hu.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com writes:
>>> > Hugh, you can't be that dense.  Count add up the electoral votes of
>>> > states outside the South where Romney is leading, do the same for
>>> > states where Obama is leading, and note that Obama is well ahead.

>>> Facts about the United States as it is prove nothing about what it would
>>> be like if it were a different country.

>>> The United States might not even exist without the southern states
>>> having taken part in its creation and expansion.  The area occupied by
>>> it might be under the control of several different nations, as is the
>>> case south of the Rio Grande.  If Britain hadn't established strong
>>> local communities south of the Potomac, the region might have been
>>> dominated by Spanish.  Without southern expansionism (Louisiana
>>> Purchase, Texas annexation, the Mexican war), the United States if it
>>> had existed at all might have been a much smaller place.

>>> Making a comparison of the real with the imaginary, and then using it
>>> in the self-praise of your own region seems natural to you, because it
>>> has been a habit in the north for so long.  But the imaginary is not the
>>> real. What might-have-been is not what-is.

>>> The northern focus on "the South" is on fault-finding, blaming, and
>>> invidious comparisons.  Why do they do this?  Because it makes them feel
>>> good about themselves.

>>> HL

>>"They" do this because you deserve to catch hell for your evil history
>>and present-day bullshit ignorance and continued inhumanity, racism
>>and in-bred stupidity.

> You raise interesting question in my mind there:  Is the inhumanity
> Southern politicians have always shown toward the poor and
> downtrodden, and now even to people on Social Security and others
> among the 47% that Romney doesn't deem worthy of his concern, somehow
> the result of the South having been, not just a slave owning society
> -- Northern states originally had slaves too -- but a society built on
> slavery, a society willing to go war to preserve slavery, and a
> society where violence against the helpless was a way of life?  Can
> such callousness to human suffering be passed down from generation to
> generation and thus inherited in a societal sense?  Admittedly, all
> Republicans have it regardless of their region, but their bastion and
> their base is the South.

> [ snip ]

> >> The northern focus on "the South" is on fault-finding, blaming, and
> >> invidious comparisons.  Why do they do this?  Because it makes them feel
> >> good about themselves.

> >> HL

> > "They" do this because you deserve to catch hell for your evil history
> > and present-day bullshit ignorance and continued inhumanity, racism
> > and in-bred stupidity.

> M&M attributes to the South-bashers a hate-filled desire to punish me.

> But it doesn't punish me.

> I live happily in retirement, in North Carolina, after a privileged
> career in college teaching.  Northern fault-finding about "the South"
> provides me with an interesting subject of study.

>> [ snip ]

>> >> The northern focus on "the South" is on fault-finding, blaming, and
>> >> invidious comparisons.  Why do they do this?  Because it makes them feel
>> >> good about themselves.

>> >> HL

>> > "They" do this because you deserve to catch hell for your evil history
>> > and present-day bullshit ignorance and continued inhumanity, racism
>> > and in-bred stupidity.

>> M&M attributes to the South-bashers a hate-filled desire to punish me.

>> But it doesn't punish me.

>> I live happily in retirement, in North Carolina, after a privileged
>> career in college teaching.  Northern fault-finding about "the South"
>> provides me with an interesting subject of study.

> It is not a "hate-filled" desire. It is a desire for justice.

>> [ snip ]

>>>> The northern focus on "the South" is on fault-finding, blaming, and
>>>> invidious comparisons. Why do they do this? Because it makes them feel
>>>> good about themselves.

>>>> HL

>>> "They" do this because you deserve to catch hell for your evil history
>>> and present-day bullshit ignorance and continued inhumanity, racism
>>> and in-bred stupidity.

>> M&M attributes to the South-bashers a hate-filled desire to punish me.

>> But it doesn't punish me.

>> I live happily in retirement, in North Carolina, after a privileged
>> career in college teaching. Northern fault-finding about "the South"
>> provides me with an interesting subject of study.

> It is not a "hate-filled" desire. It is a desire for justice.
> Segregationists, bible thumpers and Creationists are keeping America
> down and deserve nothing but opprobrium and scathing contempt, not to
> mention jail-time at Leavenworth.

>>> On Sep 17, 8:39 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:39:46 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>> (in article
>>>> <c3806147-2221-4dcf-8beb-e57242da3...@wm7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>> On Sep 15, 8:23 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:25:18 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>> <42018b9a-9410-4b77-a39a-8dad9d5fe...@pz10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>>>> On Sep 13, 9:03 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:49:00 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>> <803ab87b-f660-4ced-a12f-d1871a4fc...@oz6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 8:14 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:25:10 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>>>> <fa91fff7-643e-491b-9ade-2ce092edd...@k3g2000pbr.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 9:14 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 15:46:44 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <87ehmc9u1n....@gmail.com>):

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> writes:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ snip ]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preaching to the choir, so to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-American these days comes to whether or not you agree with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orthodoxy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems to have gotten started about the time the Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing support in the south at about the 80's. Southerners have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented history of not going along.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "unamerican" thingo is much older than that. See the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _Stranger in the Land_, an intellectual history of American
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nativism
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Higham.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> UnAmerican has been more often used by conservatives than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice the "foreigner" accusations in conservative attacks on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea of "the South" as somewhat foreign goes all the way back
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> foundation of the United States. See Jennifer Rae Greeson's book
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _Our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> South_. Another good author on this topic is David Jansson, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it under the label "internal orientalism." In a nutshell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way of looking at the South paints it as "exotic", a sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, or foreign colony, inside the USA. It's an interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not to say that the liberals have never used the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "unamerican"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge; in fact IIRC the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> founded with liberal cooperation; the hope being to get after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> facist- and nazi-sympathizers, about 1940. But the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right-wing-nuts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found HUAC much more useful in their various witch-hunts.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion is that the South is too varied to be easily described
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One-Thing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> HL

>>>>>>>>>>>> In the case of foreign I think more of Obama as a "foreigner" in
>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking. Of course, I think of all liberal democrats as foreign.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>> that definition, I think of all liberal democrats as un-American.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I read a lot of liberal opinion and such.

>>>>>>>>>>> Obama is a foreigner? Maybe O'bama, but not Barack. He's more of a
>>>>>>>>>>> genuine American than you'll ever be!

>>>>>>>>>> You're a foreigner. Go read again. Your lack of comprehension is
>>>>>>>>>> showing
>>>>>>>>>> again.

>>>>>>>>> Your statement shows how America-centric and provincial you really
>>>>>>>>> are. You also use the word "foreigner" as an epithet to be hurled at
>>>>>>>>> people you don't like. Frankly, you deserve to be deported back to
>>>>>>>>> Europe. The USA belongs to real people: Latinos, Jews, African-
>>>>>>>>> Americans, women, homosexuals, Unionists and others, not cracker
>>>>>>>>> segregationists.

>>>>>>>>> I can pass as a regular American better than you ever could. One word
>>>>>>>>> out of your mouth and anyone would know you were a White Southern
>>>>>>>>> Boy.
>>>>>>>>> Besides, I am NOT a foreigner. I don't believe in the concept.

>>>>>>>> You've admitted to being a Canadian, South African, and various made
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> personas. You're about as foreign as they come. Mentally,
>>>>>>>> ideologically,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> character wise. Not an epithet, merely a statement of fact. How's that
>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>> level job at the UN coming?
>>>>>>>> Oh wait....

>>>>>>> The UN thing was someone else's guess. Never claimed that one. The SA
>>>>>>> thing was a test of your gullibility. You failed that one.

>>>>>> Wrong answer. That was no guess. It was another of Mito's failed
>>>>>> attempts
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> inflating his ego.

>>>>> You should get out of your room more. Live a little. You do realise
>>>>> that this chat-room is just bullshit, don't you? I come here for a
>>>>> laugh, a break between assignments. For you, it's your whole life. You
>>>>> belong in jail for treason.

>>>> What assignments? Undermining freedom? You do understand I don't
>>>> exclusively
>>>> post here? It's up to you, keep pleading.

>>> You defend your posting on THIS group by bragging about your postings
>>> on other groups?

>>> All of Usenet is bullshit. Worthless arguments. Like I said: This
>>> group is a laugh. For you, it's life itself. Now get out of your
>>> trailer and go outside.

>> So all of usenet is bullshit. And this group is "a laugh". I'm sure these
>> people are glad to know what you think of them.
>> That was a pretty bigoted statement. Oh wait....it's from you.

> This is the internet. No apologies. No explanations.

> >> [ snip ]

> >> >> The northern focus on "the South" is on fault-finding, blaming, and
> >> >> invidious comparisons.  Why do they do this?  Because it makes them feel
> >> >> good about themselves.

> >> >> HL

> >> > "They" do this because you deserve to catch hell for your evil history
> >> > and present-day bullshit ignorance and continued inhumanity, racism
> >> > and in-bred stupidity.

> >> M&M attributes to the South-bashers a hate-filled desire to punish me.

> >> But it doesn't punish me.

> >> I live happily in retirement, in North Carolina, after a privileged
> >> career in college teaching.  Northern fault-finding about "the South"
> >> provides me with an interesting subject of study.

> > It is not a "hate-filled" desire. It is a desire for justice.

> [ snip ]

> Your hatred is something that is in yourself, M & M. It doesn't have
> anything to do with me.  It is entirely your affair.

> hl

> > On Sep 18, 8:49 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:57:46 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
> >> (in article
> >> <0148bd87-e86c-4bc7-a5a4-7e001231e...@s9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>):

> >>> On Sep 17, 8:39 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:39:46 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
> >>>> (in article
> >>>> <c3806147-2221-4dcf-8beb-e57242da3...@wm7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):

> >>>>> On Sep 15, 8:23 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:25:18 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
> >>>>>> (in article
> >>>>>> <42018b9a-9410-4b77-a39a-8dad9d5fe...@pz10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>):

> >>>>>>> On Sep 13, 9:03 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:49:00 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
> >>>>>>>> (in article
> >>>>>>>> <803ab87b-f660-4ced-a12f-d1871a4fc...@oz6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):

> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 8:14 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:25:10 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
> >>>>>>>>>> (in article
> >>>>>>>>>> <fa91fff7-643e-491b-9ade-2ce092edd...@k3g2000pbr.googlegroups.com>):

> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 9:14 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 15:46:44 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <87ehmc9u1n....@gmail.com>):

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> writes:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [ snip ]

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preaching to the choir, so to speak.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-American these days comes to whether or not you agree with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> orthodoxy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems to have gotten started about the time the Democrats
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing support in the south at about the 80's. Southerners have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> long
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented history of not going along.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The "unamerican" thingo is much older than that. See the old
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> standard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _Stranger in the Land_, an intellectual history of American
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> nativism
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> John Higham.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> UnAmerican has been more often used by conservatives than
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> liberals.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice the "foreigner" accusations in conservative attacks on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea of "the South" as somewhat foreign goes all the way back
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> foundation of the United States. See Jennifer Rae Greeson's book
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _Our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> South_. Another good author on this topic is David Jansson, who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> writes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> about it under the label "internal orientalism." In a nutshell,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> way of looking at the South paints it as "exotic", a sort of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> country, or foreign colony, inside the USA. It's an interesting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> theme.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not to say that the liberals have never used the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "unamerican"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> charge; in fact IIRC the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> founded with liberal cooperation; the hope being to get after the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> facist- and nazi-sympathizers, about 1940. But the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> right-wing-nuts
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> found HUAC much more useful in their various witch-hunts.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion is that the South is too varied to be easily described
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> One-Thing.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> HL

> >>>>>>>>>>>> In the case of foreign I think more of Obama as a "foreigner" in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> thinking. Of course, I think of all liberal democrats as foreign.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So
> >>>>>>>>>>>> going
> >>>>>>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that definition, I think of all liberal democrats as un-American.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But I read a lot of liberal opinion and such.

> >>>>>>>>>>> Obama is a foreigner? Maybe O'bama, but not Barack. He's more of a
> >>>>>>>>>>> genuine American than you'll ever be!

> >>>>>>>>>> You're a foreigner. Go read again. Your lack of comprehension is
> >>>>>>>>>> showing
> >>>>>>>>>> again.

> >>>>>>>>> Your statement shows how America-centric and provincial you really
> >>>>>>>>> are. You also use the word "foreigner" as an epithet to be hurled at
> >>>>>>>>> people you don't like. Frankly, you deserve to be deported back to
> >>>>>>>>> Europe. The USA belongs to real people: Latinos, Jews, African-
> >>>>>>>>> Americans, women, homosexuals, Unionists and others, not cracker
> >>>>>>>>> segregationists.

> >>>>>>>>> I can pass as a regular American better than you ever could. One word
> >>>>>>>>> out of your mouth and anyone would know you were a White Southern
> >>>>>>>>> Boy.
> >>>>>>>>> Besides, I am NOT a foreigner. I don't believe in the concept.

> >>>>>>>> You've admitted to being a Canadian, South African, and various made
> >>>>>>>> up
> >>>>>>>> personas. You're about as foreign as they come. Mentally,
> >>>>>>>> ideologically,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> character wise. Not an epithet, merely a statement of fact. How's that
> >>>>>>>> high
> >>>>>>>> level job at the UN coming?
> >>>>>>>> Oh wait....

> >>>>>>> The UN thing was someone else's guess. Never claimed that one. The SA
> >>>>>>> thing was a test of your gullibility. You failed that one.

> >>>>>> Wrong answer. That was no guess. It was another of Mito's failed
> >>>>>> attempts
> >>>>>> at
> >>>>>> inflating his ego.

> >>>>> You should get out of your room more. Live a little. You do realise
> >>>>> that this chat-room is just bullshit, don't you? I come here for a
> >>>>> laugh, a break between assignments. For you, it's your whole life. You
> >>>>> belong in jail for treason.

> >>>> What assignments? Undermining freedom? You do understand I don't
> >>>> exclusively
> >>>> post here? It's up to you, keep pleading.

> >>> You defend your posting on THIS group by bragging about your postings
> >>> on other groups?

> >>> All of Usenet is bullshit. Worthless arguments. Like I said: This
> >>> group is a laugh. For you, it's life itself. Now get out of your
> >>> trailer and go outside.

> >> So all of usenet is bullshit. And this group is "a laugh". I'm sure these
> >> people are glad to know what you think of them.
> >> That was a pretty bigoted statement. Oh wait....it's from you.

> > This is the internet. No apologies. No explanations.

> Trying to back up now?

>>> On Sep 18, 8:49 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:57:46 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>> (in article
>>>> <0148bd87-e86c-4bc7-a5a4-7e001231e...@s9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>> On Sep 17, 8:39 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:39:46 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>> <c3806147-2221-4dcf-8beb-e57242da3...@wm7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 8:23 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:25:18 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>> <42018b9a-9410-4b77-a39a-8dad9d5fe...@pz10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>>>>>> On Sep 13, 9:03 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:49:00 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>>>> <803ab87b-f660-4ced-a12f-d1871a4fc...@oz6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>)
>>>>>>>>>> :

>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 8:14 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:25:10 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>>>>>> <fa91fff7-643e-491b-9ade-2ce092edd...@k3g2000pbr.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ):

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 9:14 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 15:46:44 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <87ehmc9u1n....@gmail.com>):

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> writes:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ snip ]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preaching to the choir, so to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-American these days comes to whether or not you agree with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orthodoxy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems to have gotten started about the time the Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing support in the south at about the 80's. Southerners
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented history of not going along.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "unamerican" thingo is much older than that. See the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _Stranger in the Land_, an intellectual history of American
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nativism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Higham.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UnAmerican has been more often used by conservatives than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice the "foreigner" accusations in conservative attacks on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea of "the South" as somewhat foreign goes all the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foundation of the United States. See Jennifer Rae Greeson's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _Our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> South_. Another good author on this topic is David Jansson, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it under the label "internal orientalism." In a nutshell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way of looking at the South paints it as "exotic", a sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, or foreign colony, inside the USA. It's an interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not to say that the liberals have never used the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "unamerican"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge; in fact IIRC the House Committee on UnAmerican
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Activities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> founded with liberal cooperation; the hope being to get after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facist- and nazi-sympathizers, about 1940. But the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right-wing-nuts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found HUAC much more useful in their various witch-hunts.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion is that the South is too varied to be easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One-Thing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HL

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the case of foreign I think more of Obama as a "foreigner" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking. Of course, I think of all liberal democrats as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that definition, I think of all liberal democrats as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> un-American.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I read a lot of liberal opinion and such.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama is a foreigner? Maybe O'bama, but not Barack. He's more of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> genuine American than you'll ever be!

>>>>>>>>>>>> You're a foreigner. Go read again. Your lack of comprehension is
>>>>>>>>>>>> showing
>>>>>>>>>>>> again.

>>>>>>>>>>> Your statement shows how America-centric and provincial you really
>>>>>>>>>>> are. You also use the word "foreigner" as an epithet to be hurled
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> people you don't like. Frankly, you deserve to be deported back to
>>>>>>>>>>> Europe. The USA belongs to real people: Latinos, Jews, African-
>>>>>>>>>>> Americans, women, homosexuals, Unionists and others, not cracker
>>>>>>>>>>> segregationists.

>>>>>>>>>>> I can pass as a regular American better than you ever could. One
>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>> out of your mouth and anyone would know you were a White Southern
>>>>>>>>>>> Boy.
>>>>>>>>>>> Besides, I am NOT a foreigner. I don't believe in the concept.

>>>>>>>>>> You've admitted to being a Canadian, South African, and various made
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> personas. You're about as foreign as they come. Mentally,
>>>>>>>>>> ideologically,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> character wise. Not an epithet, merely a statement of fact. How's
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>>> level job at the UN coming?
>>>>>>>>>> Oh wait....

>>>>>>>>> The UN thing was someone else's guess. Never claimed that one. The SA
>>>>>>>>> thing was a test of your gullibility. You failed that one.

>>>>>>>> Wrong answer. That was no guess. It was another of Mito's failed
>>>>>>>> attempts
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> inflating his ego.

>>>>>>> You should get out of your room more. Live a little. You do realise
>>>>>>> that this chat-room is just bullshit, don't you? I come here for a
>>>>>>> laugh, a break between assignments. For you, it's your whole life. You
>>>>>>> belong in jail for treason.

>>>>>> What assignments? Undermining freedom? You do understand I don't
>>>>>> exclusively
>>>>>> post here? It's up to you, keep pleading.

>>>>> You defend your posting on THIS group by bragging about your postings
>>>>> on other groups?

>>>>> All of Usenet is bullshit. Worthless arguments. Like I said: This
>>>>> group is a laugh. For you, it's life itself. Now get out of your
>>>>> trailer and go outside.

>>>> So all of usenet is bullshit. And this group is "a laugh". I'm sure these
>>>> people are glad to know what you think of them.
>>>> That was a pretty bigoted statement. Oh wait....it's from you.

>>> This is the internet. No apologies. No explanations.

>> Trying to back up now?

> I refuse to apologize, and you call that "backing down"?

> [ snip ]

> >>Without the South, Romney wouldn't have a prayer of winning. Nor would

> >>George W. Bush have won twice.  Nor would the House now being under

> >>Republican control.

> > "...now BE under..."

> None of this matters. "The South", whatever it may be,

> however it may be defined, is part of America. This means that it is

> American. Period.

> So conservatives are stronger in states labelled "southern states"?  So

> what?  We have conservatives in the US.  They are just as American as

> black Americans.

> HL

>> what?  We have conservatives in the US.  They are just as American as

>> black Americans.

>> [ snip ]

>> >>Without the South, Romney wouldn't have a prayer of winning. Nor would

>> >>George W. Bush have won twice.  Nor would the House now being under

>> >>Republican control.

>> > "...now BE under..."

>> None of this matters. "The South", whatever it may be,

>> however it may be defined, is part of America. This means that it is

>> American. Period.

>> So conservatives are stronger in states labelled "southern states"?  So

>> what?  We have conservatives in the US.  They are just as American as

>> black Americans.

>> HL

>I would say they think they are "more" American.

>>On Monday, 17 September 2012 19:20:53 UTC-4, Hugh Lawson  wrote:
>>> A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com writes:

>>> [ snip ]

>>> >>Without the South, Romney wouldn't have a prayer of winning. Nor would

>>> >>George W. Bush have won twice.  Nor would the House now being under

>>> >>Republican control.

>>> > "...now BE under..."

>>> None of this matters. "The South", whatever it may be,

>>> however it may be defined, is part of America. This means that it is

>>> American. Period.

>>> So conservatives are stronger in states labelled "southern states"?  So

>>> what?  We have conservatives in the US.  They are just as American as

>>> black Americans.

>>> HL

>>I would say they think they are "more" American.

> They think they're the only "real" Americans.  That so many of them
> are from the South is ironic, to put it mildly.