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LD player w/ least amount of video noise??

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whaddapiece

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Nov 5, 2003, 12:00:56 AM11/5/03
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Just wanted to ask some advice about which player to go with, as far
as the least noise is concerned. Currently I have an M301 and a D406,
and while the 406 has less video noise, it still bothers me. I watch
a lot of horror stuff, and the dark passages are awful, and
letterboxed movies can look pretty hairy in the bars. I don't really
need the AC-3, and I'll go without dual side play if it means better
quality. I understand that the CLD-97 would be a good one to go with,
but I'm kinda on a tight budget right now.

I've heard good things about the D703/4, and also the industrial
V8000. Just wanted to know if there are any others that would be
around this price range with the quality I'm looking for. Maybe the
older 1010? Sharpness isn't an issue to me as much as getting rid of
that noise. I know it can't be completely eliminated, but my LD
collection continues to grow, and there's no sense in having a nice
size library if I can't increase the picture quality.

Thanks for your help,

-Eric

Kevin Hawerchuk

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Nov 5, 2003, 3:43:19 PM11/5/03
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I've tried out a couple of dozen players over the last few years.
For the budget-conscious, the player you want is the Pioneer CLD D703.
You should be able to pick one up for about $175US or so. A couple of
years back they were going for about $250ish but have dropped.
This player has the digital video noise reduction that greatly reduces
chroma noise.
I have a Panasonic LX 900 that is very low in chroma noise too! It's
about as good as a D703, with the D-VNR set at the half way point. Very
nice. That player goes for about as much as the D703 out on ebay.
I have a CLD 1010. It's my favorite single-side player. It has good
noise control, but uses an older analog noise reduction which isn't as
effective as the digital noise reduction of the D703.
So, you are looking at about $175 plus shipping for what you want.
Kevin.

kb...@comcast.net

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Nov 6, 2003, 1:02:56 AM11/6/03
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If you are not concerned about sharpness or dual sided playbck then the
single sided LD-V8000 is a good selection (It was Pioneer's best Industrial
unit). If you are only concerned about Video noise then this unit has a
nice smooth film like picture. The 1010 is also a good single sided player
for this, it has the red laser like in the HLD-X9 but it only plays NTSC
LD's (No MUSE playback for those that took a double look at the red laser
with this).

If you like the look of Digital Noise Reduction smoothing out the noise then
the CLD-D703 is a very good choice.

As you noted the LD-S2 Single sided or CLD-97 dual sided also have lower
noise levels with very nice pictures but you are talking over $500 for
either one.

I have a pretty good collection of players I need to test so I can sell

LD-V8000's
CLD-D704's
CLD-1010 but cannot decide if I want to sell this one yet
LD-S2 once I get another sold.

Not sure when I'd have these ready as I'm swamped with repairs right now.

Kurtis


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Kevin Hawerchuk

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Nov 6, 2003, 4:17:38 AM11/6/03
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If you decide to go for either the LD V8000 or Pioneer CLD 1010, you
will find that they are cheaper than the higher end units.
The trick is to find ones that are in still good working order. The
1010 is a very old unit, 1986 vintage I believe.
Kurtis is the best source for quality tweaked players. The last player
I had tweaked by Kurtis, my Panasonic LX 900, works better than any
other Panasonic I ever came across. He fine tuned if for crosstalk
rejection, to the point of perfection!
Kevin.

whaddapiece

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Nov 6, 2003, 1:17:59 PM11/6/03
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Thanks for your responses guys. Although I'm not really crazy about
the DNR, I'm still leaning towards the D703 because it has auto flip.
I *could* go without it, but it is a nice feature that you get spoiled
by. Either way, I'm glad to know the players I mentioned are good
ones. I really wish I had done my research before I got the D406.

One other player I forgot to ask about was the 3070. What are your
opinions on this one?

As long as all these players are superior to the D406 as far as video
noise is concerned, that makes my decision a whole lot easier!

Thanks again,

-Eric

unclejr

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Nov 6, 2003, 6:39:48 PM11/6/03
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layin...@hotmail.com (whaddapiece) wrote...

> One other player I forgot to ask about was the 3070. What are your
> opinions on this one?

It's a fine player. I don't know how it compares to the D703, but I
really like my 3070.

-Junior

kb...@comcast.net

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Nov 6, 2003, 10:48:20 PM11/6/03
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I used to have a 3070. It was the first dual sided Pioneer top end unit.
Was more reliable than the other after it except that the lubrication can
get tacky over the years and this can effect the opening and closing for the
tray. The picture is not as sharp as the 703 but it has less video noise
compared to the 703 with DVNR off.

The one 406 I fixed and resold had a pretty good picture. If yours is as
good then you'd almost need to find a CLD-97, LD-S2 or the Panasonic LX-900U
to get the noise lower. All this can vary player to player and as they are
tweaked to peak performance the video noise can also lower due to cleaner
signal retrieval.

The 703 is the best bang for the buck to try and you could always resale it
if you didn't like it. I also have a Philips CDV-488 which was the best
Philips player and when I got my first 703 I was disappointed in the
increased video illuminance noise. After I got the CLD-97 I was happy
again. I wanted dual sided so the 97 finally helped me get it. Others
don't mind DVNR and for them the 703/704 is a great value.

Each person has different prefferences and you need to determine where you
fit in.

Kurtis

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Hugh Candlin

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Nov 6, 2003, 11:23:46 PM11/6/03
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> I used to have a 3070. It was the first dual sided Pioneer top end unit.
> Was more reliable than the other after it except that the lubrication can
> get tacky over the years and this can effect the opening and closing for the
> tray.

Wow! I just picked up a 3070 a couple of days ago.
It demonstrates this exact behavior.

Can I just clean off the old stuff with Qtips and Isopropyl Alcohol
and use the same lube that I use on my VCRs,
or is there a trick to it, or perhaps a special brand or type of lube?

kb...@comcast.net

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Nov 7, 2003, 9:52:14 PM11/7/03
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I hate to say it but you have to take the loading mechanism apart, clean and
realign the timing as you put it back together. Not simple but worth the
result.

Kurtis


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Hugh Candlin

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Nov 7, 2003, 11:14:03 PM11/7/03
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<kb...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:RPqdnZNU0af...@comcast.com...

> I hate to say it but you have to take the loading mechanism apart, clean and
> realign the timing as you put it back together. Not simple but worth the
> result.
>
> Kurtis
>
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate the straight answer.

I'll just wait until I'm ready to put it in for a full service.

kb...@comcast.net

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Nov 8, 2003, 11:38:52 PM11/8/03
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Good choice, it took me 2 hours to clean, relub and verify good the last
time I did it.

Kurtis


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