Star Wars - What a peice of shit.
Jonathan Gleich
I saw Star Wars the day it opened, I stayed on line all night
for empire strikes back, I was invited to a press screening of
the revenge (umm return) of the jedi.
I am really sick and tired of the re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re packaging
of Star wars on Laserdisc (and videotape) First there was
Star wars, then Episode 4 - star wars, then Star Wars a
new begenning, yadda yadda yadda.
Then the THX version, Then the Extended Version, Then the
added scene Version, Then the Added scene THX/DVD version
then the yadda yadda yadda Version.. Now a box set, a ultimate
collection WHEN IS IT GONNA FUCKING STOP??????????
Personnaly I think this cash cow is milked dry. and you guys should
stop feeding this very fat cow with buying every new version
that comes out. (every other month) --
Jonathan
Mark Smith
So stop buying them all. I dropped $200+ for the Definitive Collection and I
just ordered the SE for $99. If you get those 2 you have all 3 movies in their
original and updated forms - no other purchase is required.
William L. Griffin IV
In <33F1C4...@poweron.com> Jonathan Gleich <jgl...@poweron.com>
writes:
>I saw Star Wars the day it opened, I stayed on line all night
>for empire strikes back, I was invited to a press screening of
>the revenge (umm return) of the jedi.
>
>I am really sick and tired of the re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re packaging
>of Star wars on Laserdisc (and videotape) First there was
>Star wars, then Episode 4 - star wars, then Star Wars a
>new begenning, yadda yadda yadda.
>
>Then the THX version, Then the Extended Version, Then the
>added scene Version, Then the Added scene THX/DVD version
>then the yadda yadda yadda Version.. Now a box set, a ultimate
>collection WHEN IS IT GONNA FUCKING STOP??????????
>
>Personnaly I think this cash cow is milked dry. and you guys should
>stop feeding this very fat cow with buying every new version
>that comes out. (every other month) --
>
>Jonathan
Haven't you heard...
Lucas changed his mind about the SE's that were just shown in theaters.
They will be re-mastered again, but this time they will digitally add
back in bad matte lines, scratches and reel change indicators. As an
added touch they will remove approx 1.3 seconds of footage and include
a splice "pop" in the soundtrack. This is to ensure that home viewers
will be able to enjoy the films as they were originally presented in
theaters back in 1977.
After the SE's make the home video circuit and are put on absolute
perpetual moratorium, the Absolute Definitive Restored Special Editions
will apprear in selected theaters across the country. Then they will be
released in a special home video version packaged in an replica of
C3PO's head. It will be accompanyied by a genuine certificate of
authenticity to guarantee it's status as a limited (they will only
produce ten billion of them) collectable with investment possibilities.
Whew...
Bill
Flappuccino
On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Jonathan Gleich wrote:
> Personnaly I think this cash cow is milked dry. and you guys should
> stop feeding this very fat cow with buying every new version
> that comes out. (every other month) --
Well I'm glad I'm the one person on this planet who doesn't find one thing
remotely interesting about the Star Wars films, and haven't given the
greedy bastards who make these films anything for their re-re-re-rehashing
efforts.
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Chris Eades
I already posted a while back when they announced the release of the
Special Editions on the newsgroup. I refuse to buy these movies a THIRD
time. I had the previous ws editions, and then bought the Definitive
(yeah right) Collection when it came out. Lucas is becoming just like
Cameron. He makes a movie, and releases it, makes his money, and then
goes back and "fixes" it, re-releasing it for even more money. (Granted,
the Abyss needed that 30 mins, but T2 was made worse...)
Luckily, I wasn't overly impressed by any of the spiffed up new effects
or any of the new scenes at all, so I have no desire to buy them
anyway...
Just my 3 cents.
- Chris
AKendall
>
>Personnaly I think this cash cow is milked dry. and you guys should
>stop feeding this very fat cow with buying every new version
>that comes out. (every other month) --
>
Just because it is one of the best movies ever made doesn't mean you have
to say all those bad things about it. If you had made star wars like
Lucas did, then you would be trying to make all the money you can out of
it right? Personally I can't wait for star wars SE to come out on
laserdisc on Nov 5th.
Adam
Jonathan Gleich
Steve Grizzle wrote:
>
> Hey Jonathan,
>
> I believe that you just named 8 different versions
> of "STAR WARS -- trilogy".
>
> Last Time I checked there were only 3 versions.
> One of which hasn't even actually come out on
> home-video yet.
>
> Plus, I haven't heard any announcement for them
> to be on DVD. And as far as VHS, LD & DVD, those
> are all different formats and shouldn't be counted as
> different versions ANYWAY .
>
> So thanks for nothing
>
> -
> STEVE FJZ...@prodigy.com
Steve,
Thats not the point -- Its about the re-releasing and then the re-
re-releasing of the SW trilogy -- here are the versions I know about.
1) Original versions - P&S (3 discs)
2) Re-release -- Widescreen (3 Discs)
3) THX Version -- Widescreen (3 Discs)
4) THX Version -- Widescreen (with lucas interviews) (3 Discs)
5) "Special edition - THX Box Set" (3 Discs)
6) "NEW" editions of The Star War Trilogy (3 discs)
7) "UPCOMING" release on DVD (its gonna come)
Jonathan
gl...@iinet.net.au
As my mate who posted a reply to my comments about the 'Star Wars' films
said to me - 'You got what you paid for'.
I agree with you entirely,mate. It all comes down to corporate greed. I
expect that after 'the special edition' has been released on video and
LD,there'll be a 'VERY special edtion'. Then perhaps a Dolby Digital
release of,'The CLASSIC original version' (despite Lucas saying it'll
never see the light of day again - just like he said that Darth Vader
betrayed and murdered Luke's father then dismissed it awkwardly by
saying that it was true 'from a certain point of view'. The 'Force'
isn't just used for knowledge and defence but for huge fucking
unconvincing lies as well.
I digress but I take your point.
cheers,mate
glnr
DHowie
In article <19970815044...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
ander...@aol.com (AndersonRM) writes:
>But then you slow down the perpetual motion machine that is Lucasfilm.
>Make Star Wars, do video tape, do laser, remaster on laser in THX, re-release
>at theaters so suckers can...give them more money, to make more Star Wars
>so a generation of geriatric kids can watch a computer-generated Mark Hamell
>go after (THE BAD GUYS) once again in 2002. It's like the Grateful Dead
>devotees.
>-Rich
I would like to see a trade-in program where one can exchange the SW discs
he bought last year for the ones that are coming. Wouldn't that be great?
(I know, I know, don't hold your breath!) :-)
Don
DHowie
In article <5stv0h$a...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
bill...@ix.netcom.com(William L. Griffin IV) writes:
>After the SE's make the home video circuit and are put on absolute
>perpetual moratorium, the Absolute Definitive Restored Special Editions
>will apprear in selected theaters across the country. Then they will be
>released in a special home video version packaged in an replica of
>C3PO's head. It will be accompanyied by a genuine certificate of
>authenticity to guarantee it's status as a limited (they will only
>produce ten billion of them) collectable with investment possibilities.
>
>
And to make it really fun....let's put out the whole Star Wars Series as a
slide show!!
With the sound track (and appropriate picture change beeps) on vinyl records.
It might necessitate buying a new carousel type slide projector, and
purchase an LP turntable with an appropriate stylus, and a new screen on
which to project the show!! After all, since many of us have just shelled
out mucho-bucks for a DVD player, why not buy some MORE hardware, we're
USED to falling for whatever happens along!
:-)
DHowie
In article <33F339...@poweron.com>, Jonathan Gleich
<jgl...@poweron.com> writes:
>7) "UPCOMING" release on DVD (its gonna come)
>
>
Don't hold your breath. It's up to Fox, and they're not moving on it yet.
In the meantime.............laser............
Michael May
Wasn't the point of the special editions to experience them on a movie
screen again? WHY A VIDEO RELEASE???
Michael May
AJ
Jonathan Gleich wrote:
>
> Personnaly I think this cash cow is milked dry. and you guys should
> stop feeding this very fat cow with buying every new version
> that comes out. (every other month) --
>
> Jonathan
This is just my experience, of course, but not everyone has been into
laserdiscs from day one. I have owned a player for just over six months,
and have only a modest selection of titles.
I was lucky enough to know of the "special editions" before I bought
my player, obviously, and therefore decided that any version of the
films that I bought on LD were definitely going to be the ones with
AC-3. I purposely held out on buying the box set (even when I saw it
advertised for $250 AUS), because I knew the special editions would be
released eventually.
SO... I'm going to be feeding the cow because it has never been fed by
me before. :)
AJ
DHowie
In article <33F3DB...@poweron.com>, Jonathan Gleich
<jgl...@poweron.com> writes:
>Then he released it on video and people flocked to the stores to buy
>his films, and he released them on Laserdisc, and again he sold
>millions of copies, then he "re-did" the films and re-released them
>again and again people flocked to see it.. Is this getting boaring yet
>
>
I don't think George Lucas is to blame for that......well, not directly.
He used the income from American Graffitti to partially finance SW, and the
income from that to do the sequels and establish his Industrial Lights and
Magic company. And now, because he is responsible for creating the most
popular film series of all time, we should fault him for that? Hardly. He
used his head and his talent and, combined with marketing skills mostly
from Fox, has become a millionaire. We should ALL be so successful. The
interesting part about all of this that I've never once had my arm twisted
to buy the various versions of these films, right? :-)
J. Nuccio
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:16:45 -0400, Michael May, <mi...@webtv.net>,
says....
> Wasn't the point of the special editions to experience them on a movie
> screen again? WHY A VIDEO RELEASE???
> Michael May
>
--
Joseph Nuccio
jnu...@airmail.net
BillyBond
>I already posted a while back when they announced the release of the
>Special Editions on the newsgroup. I refuse to buy these movies a THIRD
time.
One of Lucas' closest friends put it this way: In Van Nuys, there's a kid
on a skateboard, rolling along, with 75 cents in his pocket.
George wants that 75 cents.
Bill Warren
Joe
On 14 Aug 1997 03:45:21 GMT, bill...@ix.netcom.com(William L. Griffin
IV) wrote:
>In <33F1C4...@poweron.com> Jonathan Gleich <jgl...@poweron.com>
>writes:
>>
>>I saw Star Wars the day it opened, I stayed on line all night
>>for empire strikes back, I was invited to a press screening of
>>the revenge (umm return) of the jedi.
>>
>>I am really sick and tired of the re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re packaging
>>of Star wars on Laserdisc (and videotape) First there was
>>Star wars, then Episode 4 - star wars, then Star Wars a
>>new begenning, yadda yadda yadda.
>>
>>Then the THX version, Then the Extended Version, Then the
>>added scene Version, Then the Added scene THX/DVD version
>>then the yadda yadda yadda Version.. Now a box set, a ultimate
>>collection WHEN IS IT GONNA FUCKING STOP??????????
>>
>>Personnaly I think this cash cow is milked dry. and you guys should
>>stop feeding this very fat cow with buying every new version
>>that comes out. (every other month) --
>>
>>Jonathan
>
>
>Haven't you heard...
>
>Lucas changed his mind about the SE's that were just shown in theaters.
>They will be re-mastered again, but this time they will digitally add
>back in bad matte lines, scratches and reel change indicators. As an
>added touch they will remove approx 1.3 seconds of footage and include
>a splice "pop" in the soundtrack. This is to ensure that home viewers
>will be able to enjoy the films as they were originally presented in
>theaters back in 1977.
>
>After the SE's make the home video circuit and are put on absolute
>perpetual moratorium, the Absolute Definitive Restored Special Editions
>will apprear in selected theaters across the country. Then they will be
>released in a special home video version packaged in an replica of
>C3PO's head. It will be accompanyied by a genuine certificate of
>authenticity to guarantee it's status as a limited (they will only
>produce ten billion of them) collectable with investment possibilities.
>
>Whew...
>
>
>Bill
And don;t forget the contest!
Whoever shits a turd that looks the most like R2D2 gets a free copy of
EVERY upcoming video re-release of the Star Wars Trilogy. That's a
new copy every six months for life!
If you read the wording very carefully, it says that "this release"
will only be available for a limited time. Nowhere does it say it
will not be available again, either on VHS or Laserdisc!
Joe
DHowie
>If you read the wording very carefully, it says that "this release"
>will only be available for a limited time. Nowhere does it say it
>will not be available again, either on VHS or Laserdisc!
>
>Joe
I don't know how they do it, but I thought I heard that the entire series
will also be released on 78 RPM records too. Of course that's a whole new
technology even though it does sound strangely familiar. Hmm. Let's check
it out. :-) I don't think they got video out of a shellac disc before,
did they? Is this, perhaps, a kinescope recording?
:-)
gl...@iinet.net.au
DHowie wrote:
>
> In article <5stv0h$a...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
> bill...@ix.netcom.com(William L. Griffin IV) writes:
>
> >perpetual moratorium, the Absolute Definitive Restored Special Editions
> >will apprear in selected theaters across the country. Then they will be
> >released in a special home video version packaged in an replica of
> >C3PO's head. It will be accompanyied by a genuine certificate of
> >authenticity to guarantee it's status as a limited (they will only
> >produce ten billion of them) collectable with investment possibilities.
> >
> >
>
> slide show!!
> With the sound track (and appropriate picture change beeps) on vinyl records.
> It might necessitate buying a new carousel type slide projector, and
> purchase an LP turntable with an appropriate stylus, and a new screen on
> which to project the show!! After all, since many of us have just shelled
> out mucho-bucks for a DVD player, why not buy some MORE hardware, we're
> USED to falling for whatever happens along!
>
> :-)
answer to a reasonable post I made several days ago that concerned
itself with similar things you have said in your post,'You got what you
paid for'.
She reasoned that as one paid for the goods,one had no right to have any
expectation from it or the manufacturer.
Odd reasoning,I admit - but she was quite adamant. Curiously enough,she
has been rather quite these last few days.
cheers,
glnr
William L. Griffin IV
>>perpetual moratorium, the Absolute Definitive Restored Special
Editions
>>will apprear in selected theaters across the country. Then they will
be
>>released in a special home video version packaged in an replica of
>>C3PO's head. It will be accompanyied by a genuine certificate of
>>authenticity to guarantee it's status as a limited (they will only
>>produce ten billion of them) collectable with investment
possibilities.
>>
>>
>>
>>Bill
>
>And don;t forget the contest!
>
>Whoever shits a turd that looks the most like R2D2 gets a free copy of
>EVERY upcoming video re-release of the Star Wars Trilogy. That's a
>new copy every six months for life!
>
>will only be available for a limited time. Nowhere does it say it
>will not be available again, either on VHS or Laserdisc!
>
>Joe
Well break my legs and call me Betsy - I overlooked that part.
Bill
Josh Ling
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:23:18 GMT, corusc...@hotmail.com (Steven
Johnson) wrote:
>Star Wars:
>1982 CAV, P&S ($64.98)
>1982 CLV, P&S ($34.98)
>1989 CLV, widescreen ($69.98)
>1993 CLV, P&S, remastered ($34.98)
^^^^^^^^
You sure about this one?
>1993 Definitive Collection, CAV, THX, widescreen ($249.98)
>1995 CLV, THX, widescreen ($59.98)
>1997 Special Edition, CLV, THX, AC-3, widescreen ($124.98)
>
>The Empire Strikes Back
>1982 CAV, P&S ($64.98)
>1982 CLV, P&S ($34.98)
>1983 CLV, widescreen ($69.98)
^^^^^^^^^^
I think this was also 1989 or 1990.
>1993 CLV, P&S, remastered ($34.98)
^^^^^^^^^^
This one I'm also not sure about.
>1993 Definitive Collection, CAV, THX, widescreen ($249.98)
>1995 CLV, THX, widescreen ($59.98)
>1997 Special Edition, CLV, THX, AC-3, widescreen ($124.98)
>
>Return of the Jedi
There is a CAV version.
>1984 CLV, P&S ($44.98)
>1991 CLV, widescreen ($69.98)
>1993 CLV, P&S, remastered ($44.98)
^^^^^^^^^^
?? Again.......
>1993 Definitive Collection, CAV, THX, widescreen ($249.98)
>1995 CLV, THX, widescreen ($59.98)
>1997 Special Edition, CLV, THX, AC-3, widescreen ($124.98)
-Josh
gl...@iinet.net.au
Chris Eades wrote:
>
> I already posted a while back when they announced the release of the
> Special Editions on the newsgroup. I refuse to buy these movies a THIRD
> (yeah right) Collection when it came out. Lucas is becoming just like
> Cameron. He makes a movie, and releases it, makes his money, and then
> goes back and "fixes" it, re-releasing it for even more money. (Granted,
> the Abyss needed that 30 mins, but T2 was made worse...)
>
> Luckily, I wasn't overly impressed by any of the spiffed up new effects
> or any of the new scenes at all, so I have no desire to buy them
> anyway...
>
> Just my 3 cents.
>
> - Chris
I agree with all that you say.
But I've been waiting twenty years to see Biggs in Anchorhead.
'Here we go again...' - C3PO (ROTJ).
glnr
J. Nuccio
> Chris Eades wrote:
> > Lucas is becoming just like Cameron. He makes a movie, and releases it,
> > makes his money, and then
> > goes back and "fixes" it, re-releasing it for even more money. (Granted,
> > the Abyss needed that 30 mins, but T2 was made worse...)
> >
> >
> > - Chris
>
Cameron isn't going back to change things up or fix them "to make more
money" quite the way you put it. The films that James "the best action
director on the planet" Cameron makes all have l-o-o-o-n-g running times
and consequently must be trimmed to meet a specific run-time to pacify
the studio.His SE's are closer to his original vision than what was shown
theatrically. This is why he demanded a 3hour running time for TITANIC
before it was "green-lighted", or otherwise he was going to "pass" on the
project. Lucas is a one-hit wonderboy with Stars Wars. (yeah THX11438 was
cool, no big box-office $$....and AG is a different genre entirely).
James Cameron has dazzled many times, and continues to push the envelope.
Be careful where you tread. ;)
--
Joseph Nuccio
jnu...@airmail.net
Pilant Steven Andre
J. Nuccio wrote:
>
> > Chris Eades wrote:
> > > Lucas is becoming just like Cameron. He makes a movie, and releases it,
> > > makes his money, and then
> > > goes back and "fixes" it, re-releasing it for even more money. (Granted,
> > > the Abyss needed that 30 mins, but T2 was made worse...)
> > >
> > > Just my 3 cents.
> > >
> > > - Chris
> >
> Whoa! Wait a second! Apples and oranges.
> Cameron isn't going back to change things up or fix them "to make more
> money" quite the way you put it. The films that James "the best action
> director on the planet" Cameron makes all have l-o-o-o-n-g running times
> and consequently must be trimmed to meet a specific run-time to pacify
> the studio.
If there's one thing George Lucas probably is in no desperate need for
these days - it's more money. Probably one of the few self-actualized
individuals around. He can afford to operate from a benevolent point of
view at this point in his life and concentrate on his "legacy" and
aspire to more QUALITY first in future projects.
As to "fixing" movies, in the old days they used to have intermissions
for some films. I actually remember those days (and the cigarette
smoke). Many extra footage restored movies can be of somebody clipping
their damn nails or something, but with some films the extra footage can
be worth it. Just because an artist's vision (film) was "clipped" to
generate more ticket sales and "table turns" (restaurant expression)
doesn't necessarily make that neutered Bobbitt version the best
version. Originally seen perhaps, but not necessarily the best. I'm
happy to see some movies (Lawrence of Arabia) restored as the director
originally intended before the "suits" and "bean counters" pulled out
their machetes.
In all fairness though - some extended versions CAN suck. I happen to
like the extended version of Aliens although some don't. I thought the
big T2 with the many supplements was one of the best "film school in a
can" type deals going for those of us who secretly ponder our abilities
to do the same. I laud Cameron's efforts to appeal to the lover of the
art of making the magic of a movie be they laserphile or DVD fan at some
point in the future.
If it takes him 3 hours to do Titanic right, so be it. I just won't
order a large coke. :-)
Steve
Imadiscman
PEACE BROTHER