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Charles H. Sampson

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Nov 18, 2009, 4:09:55 PM11/18/09
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My Philips DVR honors copy protection. I've had my current model
for about a year now and it's suddenly (this week) stopped recording The
Daily Show, claiming that it's copy-protected. It will record Comedy
Central's inter-program commercials right up to the first second of The
Daily Show. Then it quits with the error code for copy protected
material.

Is that right or is it another bug in the crappy Philips software?
I've always thought that copy protection was a feature of video tapes
and DVDs. It has never occurred to me that it could be added to
broadcast or cablecast programs.

My ancient VCR does record it without problem. But I can't dub
that recording to my DVR (for ease of navigation). Same behavior as
when trying to record the live cablecast.

Charlie
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Paul Heslop

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Nov 18, 2009, 4:45:54 PM11/18/09
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I'll bet it's a bug. this sort of thing always seemed to happen
between sky digital and dvd recorders, suddenly refusing to record
certain channels between the two but for no good reason.

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Gene E. Bloch

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Nov 18, 2009, 6:01:27 PM11/18/09
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:45:54 GMT, Paul Heslop wrote:

> "Charles H. Sampson" wrote:
>>
>> My Philips DVR honors copy protection. I've had my current model
>> for about a year now and it's suddenly (this week) stopped recording The
>> Daily Show, claiming that it's copy-protected. It will record Comedy
>> Central's inter-program commercials right up to the first second of The
>> Daily Show. Then it quits with the error code for copy protected
>> material.
>>
>> Is that right or is it another bug in the crappy Philips software?
>> I've always thought that copy protection was a feature of video tapes
>> and DVDs. It has never occurred to me that it could be added to
>> broadcast or cablecast programs.
>>
>> My ancient VCR does record it without problem. But I can't dub
>> that recording to my DVR (for ease of navigation). Same behavior as
>> when trying to record the live cablecast.
>>
>> Charlie
>> --
>> All the world's a stage, and most
>> of us are desperately unrehearsed. Sean O'Casey
>
> I'll bet it's a bug. this sort of thing always seemed to happen
> between sky digital and dvd recorders, suddenly refusing to record
> certain channels between the two but for no good reason.

Although people have reported in some newsgroup or other that some
broadcasters set the flag erroneously on occasion. However, I haven't seen
one of those reports for a while, and I don't know where to track them
down.

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Mike S.

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Nov 18, 2009, 7:31:39 PM11/18/09
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In article <1j9do1y.12349fo130iqzkN%csam...@inetworld.net>,

Charles H. Sampson <csam...@inetworld.net> wrote:
> My Philips DVR honors copy protection. I've had my current model
>for about a year now and it's suddenly (this week) stopped recording The
>Daily Show, claiming that it's copy-protected. It will record Comedy
>Central's inter-program commercials right up to the first second of The
>Daily Show. Then it quits with the error code for copy protected
>material.
>
> Is that right or is it another bug in the crappy Philips software?
>I've always thought that copy protection was a feature of video tapes
>and DVDs. It has never occurred to me that it could be added to
>broadcast or cablecast programs.
>
Quite a while ago, some cable services announced that they were implementing
CGMS-A protection for some premium content. Perhaps Comedy Channel has now
started doing this ... or set the flag erroneously. Your DVR may also be
mis-reading noise as ACP bits.

http://www.hbo.com/corpinfo/faq/cgmsfaq.shtml

Remysun

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:18:53 PM11/18/09
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I'm only OTA, no cable, but the only time the flag sets off is for the
low powered Channel 33, which seemas a combo of Black talk with maybe
a little church thrown in. Then again, they get members of Detroit
city council saying some embarrassing things.

Paul Heslop

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Nov 19, 2009, 5:15:06 AM11/19/09
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I know there was a lady posting in the sky groups with exactly this
problem not so long ago and those of us who had suffered before
advised her to get in touch with sky and explain that her symptoms
were exactly the same as they had been for customers previously but
sky just point blank refused to help and last I heard she was talking
of ditching them and going cable.

Gene E. Bloch

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Nov 19, 2009, 2:34:37 PM11/19/09
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I believe the reports I had seen were in the US, but it's been long enough
that I can't fully trust my memory. I also think (same caveat!) that the
problems were in specific cities, with specific cable companies, and on
specific cable channels.

I have no idea if the problem parties responded any better than what you
describe on Sky...

Paul Heslop

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Nov 19, 2009, 4:41:50 PM11/19/09
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we always heard stories in the UK that even recording to VHS was
forbidden years ago. In fact I think the rumour went that you really
only bought players as you couldn't record at all :O)

Gene E. Bloch

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Nov 19, 2009, 8:56:51 PM11/19/09
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Cute...

Charles H. Sampson

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:23:18 PM11/22/09
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I <csam...@inetworld.net> wrote:

> My Philips DVR honors copy protection. I've had my current model
> for about a year now and it's suddenly (this week) stopped recording The
> Daily Show, claiming that it's copy-protected. It will record Comedy
> Central's inter-program commercials right up to the first second of The
> Daily Show. Then it quits with the error code for copy protected
> material.
>
> Is that right or is it another bug in the crappy Philips software?
> I've always thought that copy protection was a feature of video tapes
> and DVDs. It has never occurred to me that it could be added to
> broadcast or cablecast programs.
>
> My ancient VCR does record it without problem. But I can't dub
> that recording to my DVR (for ease of navigation). Same behavior as
> when trying to record the live cablecast.

Problem "solved", mystery remains.

Just as the copy protection problem appeared without warning, so
also it went away. The Wednesday and Thursday cablecasts of The Daily
Show recorded without incident.

An underlying problem might have been in the error code the
Philips recorder displayed. I know of one other problem for which the
displayed error is wrong. This machine has amazingly bad software.

Charlie

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