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SJC

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Jun 11, 2005, 5:44:32 AM6/11/05
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Please can someone help me with the following:

It is possible to copy the contents recorded onto a DVD RAM to DVD-R ??

I have a panasonic DMR-ES10 recorder which I can record TV programs onto DVD
RAM disk.
Once on the DVD RAM disk I can edit the programs to how I want, ie, cut out
adverts etc.

I then want to place the DVD RAM into my PC DVD recorder which also reads
RAM ( LG GSA-4163B)
and copy the finished RAM copy over onto DVD-R disk, thus freeing up the RAM
disk to be used again.

When I record a TV program on my Panasonic directly onto DVD-R this will
play on PC no problem,
however contents of the RAM disk are different ??

I hope that I have explained myself clearly enough and someone within the
newsgroup will know
exactly what I am trying to do and will be able to offer advice?

Thankyou


Java Jive

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Jun 11, 2005, 6:07:43 AM6/11/05
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1) Copy contents of DVD-RAM to HD as files
2) Use a program such as TMPGenc DVD Author (or other authoring software
which I'm sure others will suggest here) to author a conventional DVD in the
proper format using the HD copy as source.

You can copy a DVD-RAM directly onto DVD-R, but I suspect you may find not
all players will play it. In fact, if you are using a Panasonic DVD-R with
a HD, you are effectively doing that when you use the machine's ability to
write a DVD-R - as the Panasonic's HD is formatted as a very large
DVD-RAM, you are effectively copying from a very large DVD-RAM to DVD-R.

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hank spangler rodeo star

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Jun 11, 2005, 5:32:46 PM6/11/05
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I am doing the exact same thing and am pissed off, i bought seemingly an
easy great programme ulead moviefactory 4 disc creator to do in 3 easy
steps, is it hell, i am still at a loss, i get error messages at 99% invalid
parameter and all sorts and am still at square one.

best of luck...i need it !!!

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Jimbo

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Jun 11, 2005, 7:27:48 PM6/11/05
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SJC, just be aware of a known problem with DVD-RAM disks, LG writers and
Panasonic recorders. I don't know if the problem with effect your DMR-ES10
but with my E85 once the DVD-RAM disk is inserted into my LG drive the LG
renders the DVD-RAM disk totally unusable with the E85 anymore. In fact my
E85 will lock up when the RAM disk is inserted. You can read all about it
here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5745683#post5745683


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tacitus

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Jun 11, 2005, 10:16:25 PM6/11/05
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I use the Panasonic DMR-E55 standalone DVD player and in order to read
DVD-RAM disks I had to buy a new Pioneer DVR-108 DVD reader/writer for
reading on my computer. I always create DVD-RAMs with a single recording
formatting between each use and its always in SP (2-hour mode). When I
first started doing this the general concensus was that sometimes if
you recorded more than one title on the DVD-RAM problems occurred because
the nonstandard .VROs. I do NOT know if this is a fact or not because I
never tried to burn more than one title at a time.

I use Womble MPeg Video Wizard to snip comercials and other basic MPEG
editiing, GIMP to create menu graphics, DVDAuthorGUI to do the final
authoring; and the stripped down version of ULEAD that came with the
Pioneer for burning the DVD-R I use Womble for actually reading the
.VRO file from the DVD-RAM.

One problem: I have noticed occassionally (approximately 1 in 20
reads) I cannot successfully read the entire DVD-RAM - particularly if
I am trying to use the full 2 hours. I have reused and reformatted
the same media and the problem goes away. Since I use a PVR, I then
just remake the DVD-RAM disk.

BTW - I did not initially intend to author any DVDs, but I found
the menus my E55 to be so plug ugly I ended up learning much more
than I really ever wanted to know. There is a lot of good information
on www.videohelp.com.

Good Luck...

Tacitus

Alpha

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Jun 12, 2005, 3:58:53 AM6/12/05
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"hank spangler rodeo star" <oohno...@spam.com> wrote in message
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>I am doing the exact same thing and am pissed off, i bought seemingly an
>easy great programme ulead moviefactory 4 disc creator to do in 3 easy
>steps, is it hell, i am still at a loss, i get error messages at 99%
>invalid parameter and all sorts and am still at square one.
>
> best of luck...i need it !!!

No one can help you if you write run-on posts that are uninformative in
detail.

PS

I can assure you that you have no rodeo or cowboy up goin for you bud.

Java Jive

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Jun 12, 2005, 7:53:10 AM6/12/05
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As you haven't given any detail, I can only suggest general help. Here are
some tips I've posted before for using TMPGEnc DVD Author with a DVD-RAM
reader (mine's an LG GCC-4320B) to read DVD-RAMs created by a Panasonic
HD/DVD-Recorder (mine's a DMR-E100H).

First, you need to be able to read the DVD-RAMs. For this you need a
DVD-RAM compatible DVD-Reader (Nero's Infotool will tell you), and to have
installed UDF2 drivers, by installing either OEM UDF2 drivers that came with
your drive, or InCDv4, or these Panasonic drivers:
http://panasonic.co.jp/pcc/products/en/drive/comb/kxlcb30a/download.html
(for a non-Panasonic drive like mine, the Panasonic-specific part of this
installation is disabled - one can only use KXLCB30A.EXE to install UDF2).

TMPGEnc DVD Author can be temperamental. There may be other better programs
out there, but, having discovered how to make this one work, I stick with
it. Here are some general pointers as to where to look for problems:

1) If you are using a Panasonic DVD-Recorder, ensure that Setup, Picture,
Hybrid VBR Resolution is set to Fixed (menu path correct for mine, yours may
be different). Otherwise, a video may be a mixture of resolutions, and then
DVD Author may refuse to read it, while other programs such as Ulead may
break it into different sections for no obvious other reason.

2) DVD Author behaves inconsistently if the source files are still on
DVD-RAM, sometimes replacing video with blocking artefacts or even ending
authoring prematurely with stunted output files. IME it behaves
consistently if I copy the contents of the DVD-RAM to HD beforehand, using
Explorer, and then use the HD version as the source for DVD Author (doubles
diskspace requirements though).

3) (I've noticed this one mostly when the original source was dubbed from
VHS, it doesn't seem to occur much, if at all, with other sources) DVD
Author is sensitive to what may be occasional slight blemishes in some of
the DVD-RAM sources. When this happens, the source seems to play ok in the
recorder and the PC, but on every try DVD Author's output files contain
digital blocking consistently at certain points in the video, often
accompanied by loss of audio-video sync for the rest of the track. Best
cure seems to be to redub from the Panny HD to the DVD-RAM in real-time SP
or LP (ie: recreate the file, not high-speed which just copies it), or
failing that start again by re-recording the program from a repeat showing
or the original tape source (if you're converting VHS).

4) DVD Author is memory sensitive - DVD's which wouldn't author
correctly on a 512MB RAM PC with 2-3 GB free on the system drive have
authored correctly on a 1Gb RAM PC with only about 1Gb free on the system
drive, (both PCs having an additional 1GB virtual memory). Another hint
that memory is an issue is that bigger files with more chapter points seem
more likely to be a problem than smaller files with fewer chapters. I would
recommend 1Gb of RAM and at least a further 1Gb, preferably 2Gb, of virtual
RAM swap space.

To maximise available memory, I used to save the project file and reboot
between setting up DVD Author and actually running it, and did't run other
programs while it was running. Seems to be less of an issue now I've
rebuild and reinstalled W2K on both my PCs, so I tend to let this one slip
unless I actually encounter a problem.

5) It can sometimes be sensitive to UNCs designating the source files.
One DVD that wouldn't author using UNCs authored correctly when I recreated
the project file to use drive letters (a bore - I prefer using UNCs, because
then I can use the same project file on either PC).

HTHs

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SJC

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Jun 13, 2005, 5:13:43 AM6/13/05
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Thanks to everyone for there help and advice, I have now managed to do this
!!


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JIm

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Jul 2, 2005, 12:32:59 AM7/2/05
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SJC, How did you solve your problem? I purchased a Panasonic DMR-ES10
2 days ago. and a DVD RAM reader for my PC. I can view the ram disk
and watch the recordings on the PC. I can copy the files from the disk
to the PC HD but can't seem to copy from the HD to a DVD R.

Java Jive

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Jul 6, 2005, 9:47:37 AM7/6/05
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You need to use the HD copy as the source for a DVD Authoring program such
as TMPEG DVD Author which will create a standard DVD-Video set of files,
then these in turn can be burnt onto a DVD+-R(W) using a CD/DVD burning
program such as Nero.

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