WABC-TV turns analog off [youtube video]
Kalarama
tim.....
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snI_ucrVnL8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3DWABC-DT&feature=player_embedded
wtf is WABC?
tim
Kimba W Lion
Oh, that was bad in so many ways...
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UnsteadyKen
> wtf is WABC?
WABC = West Anglia Broadcasting Corporation
An early attempt at niche regional programming, sadly the planners
failed to realise that their map had been printed back to front.
tim.....
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why?
Will that tell me how it is on topic for a uk group?
tim
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It was cross posted to alt.tv.tech.hdtv and others.
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Kimba W Lion
>why?
>
>Will that tell me how it is on topic for a uk group?
Sorry, I didn't see the crossposts. There's absolutely no reason for this
topic to be posted to aus.* or uk.*. The video wasn't even that good anyway.
Kalarama
Dude, who peed in your cornflakes this morning?
I thought the video was perfectly adequate, [it's puzzling to me why you
seem to hate it] and besides, I view the digital television transition(s) as
an worldwide event. I'd be very interested in seeing any equivalent
postings/videos here that other countries might have, wouldn't you?
charles
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> > "tim....." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>why?
> >>
> >>Will that tell me how it is on topic for a uk group?
> >
> > Sorry, I didn't see the crossposts. There's absolutely no reason for this
> > topic to be posted to aus.* or uk.*. The video wasn't even that good
> > anyway.
> >
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> Dude, who peed in your cornflakes this morning?
> I thought the video was perfectly adequate, [it's puzzling to me why you
> seem to hate it] and besides, I view the digital television transition(s)
> as an worldwide event.
in the same way that the US Baseball championship is called "The World
Series"?
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>
> "Kimba W Lion" <kimba...@norepliesbyemail.com> wrote in message
> news:e6ca35l2fa11p9eka...@4ax.com...
> > "tim....." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>wtf is WABC?
> >
> > http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/
> why?
>
> Will that tell me how it is on topic for a uk group?
>
> tim
>
I can make a connection.
We've just transitioned from NTSC to ATSC in the same way the UK went from
405 line to 625 line PAL.
(PeteCresswell)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snI_ucrVnL8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3DWABC-DT&feature=player_embedded
>
I don't get it.
Can somebody explain? Or isn't there anything to explain.
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Kimba W Lion
> [it's puzzling to me why you seem to hate it]
The reception breaks up frequently; kind of ironic in this situation.
The reporter was clueless in many ways. ("Reboot" your converter box??
"PhD stuff"???)
Bill pushes the button, and NOTHING HAPPENS. How anticlimatic.
We get a full minute shot of a computer monitor that shows us NOTHING! They
obviously had another monitor on the OTA analog signal--that would have at
least made for a relevant shot when Bill pushed the button.
They didn't even do a history of the station--just a very generic 30 second
bit.
WABC really blew it.
>I'd be very interested in seeing any equivalent
>postings/videos here that other countries might have, wouldn't you?
Since I have no historical perspective on TV transmission systems in other
countries, it probably wouldn't mean much to me.
That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see a good signoff from American
stations. I thought Maryland Public Television did a very elegant and relevant
signoff, but I don't have a video of it to post.
(Crossposts to irrelevant newsgroups removed.)
Brian Gaff
for the link as who knows what it might be otherwise?
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Brian Gaff
be too careful these days you know.
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Greg
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> In article <zvqdnZfwS_n0-ajX...@giganews.com>,
> Kalarama <xx...@whobody.com> wrote:
>> "Kimba W Lion" <kimba...@norepliesbyemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1sma351uh63jgi9l3...@4ax.com...
>> > "tim....." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I thought the video was perfectly adequate, [it's puzzling to me why you
>> seem to hate it] and besides, I view the digital television transition(s)
>> as an worldwide event.
Wonder why Sydney was the first to turn on digital tv and the last to turn
off analogue tv at the end of 2013. I certainly wouldn't care if they turned
analogue tv off tomorrow.
> in the same way that the US Baseball championship is called "The World
> Series"?
The same way soccer = football and football = rugby league
Kalarama
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> Its polite to at least give a description of the link you post. One cannot
> be too careful these days you know.
>
> Brian
That I did forget. Thanks.
Kalarama
> "Kalarama" <xx...@whobody.com> wrote:
>
>> [it's puzzling to me why you seem to hate it]
>
> The reception breaks up frequently; kind of ironic in this situation.
>
> The reporter was clueless in many ways. ("Reboot" your converter box??
> "PhD stuff"???)
I think it's amusing how dumb they are.
> That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see a good signoff from American
> stations. I thought Maryland Public Television did a very elegant and
> relevant
> signoff, but I don't have a video of it to post.
I'll look for it.
jamie
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snI_ucrVnL8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.go...
Broadcasters in the USA are now providing a so-called "nightlight"
service
on analogue for a limited time after switchover.
At least one analogue transmitter is left running in most service
areas,
carrying looped information films to help people connect and install
their
convertor boxes (plus, if they occur, emergency news reports and
hurricaine
warnings).
A typical example being http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6tVLO5QFvg
(this
channel was unusual in that it transitioned in Feb, but the same
practice is
happening en masse now.)
The UK broadcasters could easily have done this too, using the "to be
sold"
analogue frequency in each region, if they'd cared about vulnerable
members
of society...
J G Miller
> if they'd cared about vulnerable members of society...
In the capitalist USofA, each household can apply for a USD 40 coupon
towards the cost of a digital converter box, and various organizations,
ranging from local fire departments to charities, are providing help to
households in setting them up.
In the Faux LaboUr pretend caring society, the vulnerable oldest members
and economically deprived members of society are being charged GBP 40
for assistance with digital conversion, when digital converter boxes are
available at the supermarket for only GBP 20.
Kalarama
> . . . . . . the US Baseball championship is called "The World
> Series"?
That is dumb, isn't it... :-/
jamie
> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:07:04 -0700, jamie powell wrote:
>
> In the Faux LaboUr pretend caring society, the vulnerable oldest members
> and economically deprived members of society are being charged GBP 40
> for assistance with digital conversion, when digital converter boxes are
> available at the supermarket for only GBP 20.
Replace "Faux LaboUr" with "British State".
As I've said before, it makes little difference whether it's Punch or
Judy (aka Conservatives or Labour) in doll's house number 10.
Alan
>The reporter was clueless in many ways. ("Reboot" your converter box??
>"PhD stuff"???)
Clearly reboot is wrong. One needs to rescan for channels (abandoning old
channel list in many).
>Bill pushes the button, and NOTHING HAPPENS. How anticlimatic.
>
>We get a full minute shot of a computer monitor that shows us NOTHING! They
>obviously had another monitor on the OTA analog signal--that would have at
>least made for a relevant shot when Bill pushed the button.
And if you watch the correct monitor on the back wall in the picture, you
will see the transmitter drop off on one of them shortly after the button is
pushed. Apparently the logic takes 10 - 15 seconds to actually shut down
the transmitter.
Alan
sprockets
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snI_ucrVnL8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideosearch%3Fq%3DWABC-DT&feature=player_embedded
>
>
Thanks Kalarama for that link.
I was watching WABC-TV "Live" on Ch7 VHF analog when they made the
switch. The analog signal went to "snow" a few seconds after that.
Then I couldn't receive the new Digital Ch7 and haven't since.
So I saw the station go to snow , but not the follow up until I watched
the youtube video clip.
I think its a poor choice they made going back to VHF when CBS,NBC,FOX
are all UHF now and their digital signals are excellent.Also WPIX went
back to VHF11 and I can't get them either.It was fine pre-transition
when 7 was on 45UHF and 11 on 33UHF.
Theres still plenty of room on the UHF band, why go back?
So now I'm stuck with having to get a "better?" VHF indoor antenna? even
the old analog VHF 7 signal came thru the UHF antenna with some snow but
was watchable.The old rabbit ears VHF rods do not receive the digital
VHF signals!
I miss CH7.1 and 7.3 for the Accuweather service...
This viewer has been left behind...
Sprockets
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> Kalarama wrote:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snI_ucrVnL8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.c
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> in the same way that the US Baseball championship is called "The World
> Series"?
It's called the World Series because it was originally sponsored by
The World newspaper.
Paul D.Smith
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Urban myth. I used to think that too.
Paul DS.
Leonard Caillouet
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Seems like a reasonable name to me. Do you think that there is a team in
the world that would be better than the winner of the World Series? Is
there a college team in the world that could seriously compete with Texas or
LSU who are playing in the College "World Series"? The fact is that
baseball was hardly noticed anywhere in the world other than in the US when
the World Series was started and since then only a few other countries have
taken it seriously, so as far as baseball is concerned, North America ( plus
maybe Japan ) makes up most of the "world."
Leonard
John H
participants from many different parts of the world ,
thus it is a US series NOT A WORLD SERIES
Arrogant Yanks!
But then again to Yanks there is no where else but USA.
John H
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Brad VK2QQ
> Any "dumb nut" can work out that to be a WORLD series it must have
> participants from many different parts of the world ,
> thus it is a US series NOT A WORLD SERIES
> Arrogant Yanks!
> But then again to Yanks there is no where else but USA.
>
> John H"Leonard Caillouet" <nos...@noway.com> wrote in message
well I did a little bit of checking and find that your comment is not
really fair to the Americans. The series is over 100 years old and
when named it was anticipated that it WOULD become the World's Series,
commencing with America, then Australia, then Britain. While that
never happened, the name stuck and changed a little. Can't blame them
for being inclusive and thinking big.
Leonard Caillouet
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> Any "dumb nut" can work out that to be a WORLD series it must have
> participants from many different parts of the world ,
> thus it is a US series NOT A WORLD SERIES
> Arrogant Yanks!
> But then again to Yanks there is no where else but USA.
>
> John H
Sure there is plenty outside the USA...you just don't matter when it comes
to baseball. :)
No one here would get bent if you claimed to have a world championship in
Cricket that only had teams from the UK. Who would care?
Leonard
Leonard Caillouet
Hell, we are arrogant in many ways. But then we have reason to be in some
ways. It just chaps some chaps whether it is justified or not.
Leonard
RickMerrill
sounds good, but not so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_series
John H
It's still one big ego trip on the Yanks part.
Could have changed it if the wanted, but they didnt want too as their egos
were too big.
John H
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UCLAN
>> Any "dumb nut" can work out that to be a WORLD series it must have
>> participants from many different parts of the world ,
>> thus it is a US series NOT A WORLD SERIES
>> Arrogant Yanks!
>> But then again to Yanks there is no where else but USA.
>
> Sure there is plenty outside the USA...you just don't matter when it
> comes to baseball. :)
>
> No one here would get bent if you claimed to have a world championship
> in Cricket that only had teams from the UK. Who would care?
The other 103 countries that are ICC members?
Leonard Caillouet
> In answer to all the replies.
> It's still one big ego trip on the Yanks part.
> Could have changed it if the wanted, but they didnt want too as their egos
> were too big.
> John H
>
Do our egos really bother you that much, John? I thought such enlightened
and sophisticated societies such as yours would be beyond such concerns. :)
Leonard
Brad VK2QQ
wrote:
Yep, already retracted my comment and did the checking of facts.
Bill Wright
A lot of stupid lefty Brits are resentful of American success. They should
remember that if it wasn't for the USA's policies of selflessly supporting
freedom worldwide (at great cost to that nation) over the last 100 years,
we'd all be talking Geman now and living under the jackboot. The USA has
been a wonderful friend to Europe and to democracy.
Bill
Brad VK2QQ
wrote:
> A lot of stupid lefty Brits are resentful of American success. They should
> remember that if it wasn't for the USA's policies of selflessly supporting
> freedom worldwide (at great cost to that nation) over the last 100 years,
> we'd all be talking Geman now and living under the jackboot. The USA has
> been a wonderful friend to Europe and to democracy.
>
> Bill
Please let us not confuse selflessness with self interest.
Steve Terry
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only just been paid off, whilst giving money away to the rest of europe.
Steve Terry
Bill Wright
The USA could have stood back in 1939 and let Hitler take over Europe. It
would have been no detriment to them.
Bill
charles
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I thought they did stand back. They only became invoved after the
Japanese sank their ships at Pearl Harbour in December 1941 - over 2 years
after Hitler took over continental Europe.
> Bill
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> only just been paid off, whilst giving money away to the rest of europe.
They only asked for the loan money back. Not the vastly greater amount they
spend on their own account defending us.
Bill
m...@nildram.co.uk
<insertmybu...@f2s.com> wrote:
>A lot of stupid lefty Brits are resentful of American success. They should
>remember that if it wasn't for the USA's policies of selflessly supporting
>freedom worldwide (at great cost to that nation) over the last 100 years,
>we'd all be talking Geman now and living under the jackboot.
Britain stopped the German advance at the channel long before the USA
entered the war. Even if they had successfully invaded Britain it's
unlikely we would be talking Geman now, there was no attempt to
Germanise most of the territory they invaded. Only in Alsace Loraine
and a few bits of eastern europe they regarded as part of Germany was
there any attempt to replace the local language with Geman.
John H
What society are you talking about? (ie what country?)
We are just better off financially at moment than you lot.
I guess a bit less greed!
John
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Yes, but that was over a period of a couple of years. After sixty years any
territory of empire will start to take up the language of the conqueror.
Bill
Laurence Payne
>>>A lot of stupid lefty Brits are resentful of American success. They should
>>>remember that if it wasn't for the USA's policies of selflessly supporting
>>>freedom worldwide (at great cost to that nation) over the last 100 years,
>>>we'd all be talking Geman now and living under the jackboot.
We'd have a different world. Hard to say whether it would be better
or worse in the long term. Would Germany have sidelined Hitler after
the war was won, as we did Churchill? Would the US have been able to
call in the tab on the 1917 Balfour Declaration, setting up a cause of
conflict for the next 50 years?
Impossible to discuss with anyone who has a strong emotional
connection with WW2 of course.
Kalarama
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I don't think I really know anyone who doesn't.
Kalarama
Anyone on here see "Downfall" ["Der Untergang"]? Terrifying..
Laurence Payne
wrote:
>> Impossible to discuss with anyone who has a strong emotional
>> connection with WW2 of course.
>
>I don't think I really know anyone who doesn't.
I've just done a production of "Oh What a Lovely War" with young
adults. They'd just about heard of WW1. But that was it. They
connected emotionally with it about as much as they did with the
Crimean War or the conflicts against Napoleon. WW2 is only one
generation later. I'm not sure they'd have connected any more with
that.
But if you move in circles of old soldiers or their immediate family,
of course show respect.
I wonder if there are still American veterans of Vietnam who can't see
it in perspective? We're seeing thankfully little Jingoism over out
current exploits (or is it just that I'm not a Sun reader?)
Roderick Stewart
wrote:
> I've just done a production of "Oh What a Lovely War" with young
> adults. They'd just about heard of WW1. But that was it. They
> connected emotionally with it about as much as they did with the
> Crimean War or the conflicts against Napoleon. WW2 is only one
> generation later. I'm not sure they'd have connected any more with
> that.
I was just thinking while watching some of the moon-landing 40th
anniversary stuff on TV (some of it repeated from the 30th anniversary
because there sadly isn't much new stuff to add), that it's nearly as
far into the past now as the first world war was when the moon landing
project was taking place.
And the first world war seemed like history to me even then (the second
one having been over before I was born), so lunar exploration probably
seems like ancient history to many of today's adults.
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> In article <p05f4552ibfv5o91k...@4ax.com>, Laurence Payne
> wrote:
>> I've just done a production of "Oh What a Lovely War" with young
>> adults. They'd just about heard of WW1. But that was it. They
>> connected emotionally with it about as much as they did with the
>> Crimean War or the conflicts against Napoleon. WW2 is only one
>> generation later. I'm not sure they'd have connected any more with
>> that.
>
> I was just thinking while watching some of the moon-landing 40th
> anniversary stuff on TV (some of it repeated from the 30th anniversary
> because there sadly isn't much new stuff to add), that it's nearly as
> far into the past now as the first world war was when the moon landing
> project was taking place.
>
> And the first world war seemed like history to me even then (the second
> one having been over before I was born), so lunar exploration probably
> seems like ancient history to many of today's adults.
>
>
|
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charles
Laurence Payne <l...@laurencepayne.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:31:59 -0400, "Kalarama" <xx...@whobody.com>
> wrote:
> >> Impossible to discuss with anyone who has a strong emotional
> >> connection with WW2 of course.
> >
> >I don't think I really know anyone who doesn't.
> I've just done a production of "Oh What a Lovely War" with young
> adults. They'd just about heard of WW1. But that was it. They
> connected emotionally with it about as much as they did with the
> Crimean War or the conflicts against Napoleon. WW2 is only one
> generation later.
only just. I had an uncle who served in both.
tony sayer
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and found one of her distant past cousins thereon, his remains somewhere
around that area and gone at the tender age of 21 years old;(
Just remarked that well she and her mates came back home and he didn't
and oddly enough they both left from the same railway station;!..
What caused a lot of upset to their party was that there were other
children jumping all over the memorial stones and not one teacher tried
to intervene to stop them!..
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I know exactly what you mean, I recently saw a couple of hyperactive brats
belonging to a very 'noisy' school group in a museum virtually wrecking a
display item bearing the legend, 'please do not touch this machine, as it is
more than 100 years old and very delicate', with their young charges
apparently not in the least way concerned.. in my day we walked around
quietly observing, making notes, communicating quietly and didn't touch,
simply because it was more than we dared do!
robinlos
> "tony sayer" <t...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <h28f9f$1g...@news.motzarella.org>, Ivan> >>"Roderick Stewart" <r...@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk> wrote in
> >>messagenews:VA.0000075...@escapetime.removethisbit.myzen.co.uk...
> >>> In article <p05f4552ibfv5o91kn7h3ujkda444k5...@4ax.com>, Laurence Payne
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> I've just done a production of "Oh What a Lovely War" with young
> >>>> adults. They'd just about heard of WW1. But that was it. They
> >>>> connected emotionally with it about as much as they did with the
> >>>> Crimean War or the conflicts against Napoleon. WW2 is only one
> >>>> generation later. I'm not sure they'd have connected any more with
> >>>> that.
>
> >>> I was just thinking while watching some of the moon-landing 40th
> >>> anniversary stuff on TV (some of it repeated from the 30th anniversary
> >>> because there sadly isn't much new stuff to add), that it's nearly as
> >>> far into the past now as the first world war was when the moon landing
> >>> project was taking place.
>
> >>> And the first world war seemed like history to me even then (the second
> >>> one having been over before I was born), so lunar exploration probably
> >>> seems like ancient history to many of today's adults.
>
> >>|
> >>Although World War one is still less than a lifetime ago for at least one
> >>man, our local boy Harry Patch...
>
> >>html>
>
> > Bless 'im;!..
>
> > My daughter went on a trip to the memorial at Theipval the other week
> > and found one of her distant past cousins thereon, his remains somewhere
> > around that area and gone at the tender age of 21 years old;(
>
> > Just remarked that well she and her mates came back home and he didn't
> > and oddly enough they both left from the same railway station;!..
>
> > What caused a lot of upset to their party was that there were other
> > children jumping all over the memorial stones and not one teacher tried
> > to intervene to stop them!..
>
> I know exactly what you mean, I recently saw a couple of hyperactive brats
> belonging to a very 'noisy' school group in a museum virtually wrecking a
> display item bearing the legend, 'please do not touch this machine, as it is
> more than 100 years old and very delicate', with their young charges
> apparently not in the least way concerned.. in my day we walked around
> quietly observing, making notes, communicating quietly and didn't touch,
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have heard the saying: "A hard head makes for a damn sore ass", but,
I have not heard it recently. I think that discipline is not what it
once was among children because they may not be allowed to be told
what it is. When I was young, there wasn't much .-problem keeping
order, not because there was no great desire to misbehave, not because
sore asses were common, but because everybody knew asses could get
sore..
Ivan
"Kay Robinson" <Kay_Ro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:15:46 +0100, "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.com>
> sharpened a new quill and scratched:
> The banning of this, and 'Grange Hill' has changed the concept of the
> well brought up child forever.
>
>
I agree, and whilst I'm a long way from being a supporter of excessive
physical punishment (I remember its use only too well!) I can't help
thinking that we've erred too much in the direction of everyone knowing
their rights but not their responsibilities, I don't think that it's a
problem entirely peculiar to the UK, however AIUI we may well be worse in
certain aspects than some other places.
JohnT
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> The teachers were allowed to discipline their charges in those days.
> The banning of this, and 'Grange Hill' has changed the concept of the
> well brought up child forever.
It is all the fault of Ant 'n Dec.
--
JohnT
Steve Terry
"Kalarama" <xx...@whobody.com> wrote in message
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uprising, as happen to the Soviet Union.
And as in new Russian they now acknowledge their Stalinist atrocities.
Steve Terry
Steve Terry
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:11:52 +0100, "Bill Wright"
>
>>"Leonard Caillouet" <nos...@noway.com> wrote in message
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>>> "John H" <john...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> War will never cease until all nations have a nuclear
> deterrant, then they'd all be to scared to act. You previosly claimed
> to be a socialist, something the USA sees as the biggest danger to the
> world. Maybe you're just in two minds about it all :-)
> Kay
>
>
Klaus Fuchs believed that twaddle, that's why he gave the secrets of
Los Alamos to Stalin's Soviet union.
After Stalin's Soviet union developed their own in 1949 thanks to Fuchs,
he'd realised what he'd done.
and it's thanks to such proliferation, Iran and N Korea now threaten
the world
i.e. If the Soviet union hadn't had the Atomic bomb in 1952.
General Macarthur could have nuked North Korea into submission
in a repeat of Hiroshima, saving the millions who have died of starvation,
war and disease in the peninsular since.
and going even further, if Moscow was nuked around 1950?
Millions more of Stalin's victims could have been saved
Lets face it although it was awful, the nuking of Japan was in the long term
a huge life saving and political success
Steve Terry
UCLAN
> Klaus Fuchs believed that twaddle, that's why he gave the secrets of
> Los Alamos to Stalin's Soviet union.
> After Stalin's Soviet union developed their own in 1949 thanks to Fuchs,
[...remainder of OT babble snipped]
It sure would be nice if this thread had *something* to do with the
topic of this newsgroup - digital TV. Gawd, I hate crossposted threads.
UCLAN
> More likely Nazi Germany would eventually have had a democracy
> uprising, as happen to the Soviet Union.
>
> And as in new Russian they now acknowledge their Stalinist atrocities.
Ah...digital TV, guys. Remember?
m...@nildram.co.uk
wrote:
>i.e. If the Soviet union hadn't had the Atomic bomb in 1952.
>General Macarthur could have nuked North Korea into submission
>in a repeat of Hiroshima, saving the millions who have died of starvation,
>war and disease in the peninsular since.
>and going even further, if Moscow was nuked around 1950?
>Millions more of Stalin's victims could have been saved
We had to Nuke the village to save it!
Ivan
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> Steve Terry wrote:
>
>> Klaus Fuchs believed that twaddle, that's why he gave the secrets of
>> Los Alamos to Stalin's Soviet union.
>> After Stalin's Soviet union developed their own in 1949 thanks to Fuchs,
>
> [...remainder of OT babble snipped]
>
>
In the words of Basil Fawlty "You started it!" when you invaded
uk.tech.digital-tv.
Steve Terry
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If Hiroshima wasn't nuked we'd probably still be fighting imperial
Japanese loonies
As we are still fighting Korean commie loonies
Steve Terry
UCLAN
>>> Klaus Fuchs believed that twaddle, that's why he gave the secrets of
>>> Los Alamos to Stalin's Soviet union.
>>> After Stalin's Soviet union developed their own in 1949 thanks to Fuchs,
>>
>> [...remainder of OT babble snipped]
>>
>> Gawd, I hate crossposted threads.
>
> In the words of Basil Fawlty "You started it!" when you invaded
> uk.tech.digital-tv.
Once again, the term "digital-tv" in the name should be a clue.
[Nice snip, BTW.]
UCLAN
>>>and going even further, if Moscow was nuked around 1950?
>>>Millions more of Stalin's victims could have been saved
>>
>>We had to Nuke the village to save it!
>
> More like we had to Nuke the village to save the country
>
> If Hiroshima wasn't nuked we'd probably still be fighting imperial
> Japanese loonies
>
> As we are still fighting Korean commie loonies
Would *anybody* like to say a word about digital TV?
Kalarama
http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/russian_federation/index.xml
Bill Wright
"Kay Robinson" <Kay_Ro...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:11:52 +0100, "Bill Wright"
> <insertmybu...@f2s.com> sharpened a new quill and scratched:
> to be a socialist, something the USA sees as the biggest danger to the
> world. Maybe you're just in two minds about it all :-)
>
> Kay
Well, I'm in more than two minds about a lot of things. I'm socialist about
some things but not about others. It's because I was taught how to think
clearly at an early age. Anyone who does that will be unable to side with
any political party (except one-issue ones) because it's very unlikely that
an independent thinker who sticks to his principles will agree with every
party line.
Bill
Sal M. Onella
"Bill Wright" <insertmybu...@f2s.com> wrote in message
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< snip >
> I'm socialist about
> some things but not about others. It's because I was taught how to think
> clearly at an early age. Anyone who does that will be unable to side with
> any political party (except one-issue ones) because it's very unlikely
that
> an independent thinker who sticks to his principles will agree with every
> party line.
True. Being a clear thinker, then, should enable you to handle this:
Socialism directs that the productive labors of The Capable be shared with
The Less Capable. Communes come to mind. Collectives, also.
I hate the whole idea. Screw all The Less Capable. When The Less Capable
start showing signs of caring about me, maybe I'll switch sides. Don't hold
your breath.
"Capable Sal"
PS: This thread was hijacked a week ago, so I don't feel too guilty about
chiming in with my two cents.
Bill Wright
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>
> "Bill Wright" <insertmybu...@f2s.com> wrote in message
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>
> < snip >
>
>> I'm socialist about
>> some things but not about others. It's because I was taught how to think
>> clearly at an early age. Anyone who does that will be unable to side with
>> any political party (except one-issue ones) because it's very unlikely
> that
>> an independent thinker who sticks to his principles will agree with every
>> party line.
>
> True. Being a clear thinker, then, should enable you to handle this:
>
> Socialism directs that the productive labors of The Capable be shared with
> The Less Capable. Communes come to mind. Collectives, also.
>
> I hate the whole idea. Screw all The Less Capable. When The Less Capable
> start showing signs of caring about me, maybe I'll switch sides. Don't
> hold
> your breath.
The reality is that we use capitalist-generated wealth to finance a small
amount of socialism. That's reasonable, but it leads to endless discussion.
Bill
GMAN
>On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:59:54 -0700, UCLAN <inv...@invalid.com>
>sharpened a new quill and scratched:
>
>ways and means of destruction what a wonnerful world it would be.....
>
I dont want to live in a welfare state where everything must come from the
govt.
>DTV rules, give us more and better, get rid of the dogs and the
>'corporate branding', not to mention the 'luvvie' culture that
>surrounds it.
>
>Kay
>
John H
to the greedy capitalists who stuffed up the system with their massive
greed.
Its amazing how capitalists supporters (one eyed ones that is)
ALWAYS YELL TO GOVERNMENT TO KEEP OUT of regulation etc
BUT when the system hit the fan those same ANTI GOVERNMENT INTERVENTIONISTS
screamed bloody hard and fast, whilst CONTINUING the same excesses,
for government to BAIL THEM OUT
Gee Whizz I would let them sink the greedy bastards.
John H
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