Obama gave a speech in berlin today

[Observant Lurker]

Obama gave a speech in berlin back in 2000 and 200,000 showed up. Todays
speech only saw 6,000 German "kool aid drinkers" show up.
At least, a good chuck of the German people have this worthless black
piece of shit figured out and they have more important things to do with
their time.
Just saying.


" All Muslims are not terrorist's, but so far, all terrorists have been
Muslims".

[miso]

> " All Muslims are not terrorist's, but so far, all terrorists have been
> Muslims".
>

Timothy McVeigh?
Terry Nichols?
Eric Rudolph?
James Von Brunn?
Ted Kaczynski?

Don't make me use the google machine!

[Observant Lurker]

The war on terror began on 9/11/2001. These people do not fall under the
definition of "terrorists".
They were simply people, who used violence because of their own personal
beliefs.
Using your childish logic, someone, who robs a convenience store would be
called a terrorist.

[miso]

Uh, you might want to do a bit more research on the so-called GWOT.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/eafricabombing/stories/main080898.htm

[Sancho Panza]

Conventionally, two sides are needed to make a real war, not a
rhetorical one. And because Clinton did not engage (he was otherwise
busy), that did not come to pass.

[Observant Lurker]

I was wrong about the date. These events happened before 9/11, but it is
still valid to say, that .........

[Stilton Cheesewright]

In article <bb899ax...@news.ezprovider.com>, Paytoilet says...

> Obama gave a speech in berlin back in 2000 and 200,000 showed up.

So he has been in power for 13 years you fuckwit??
If you are going to 'bait' someone get it right first.
July 24th 2008.

> Todays speech only saw 6,000 German "kool aid drinkers" show up.

News Quote:-
"Obama addressed a crowd of 6,000 invited guests at the historic
landmark in the center of Berlin"

So, what part of "INVITED" don't you understand?

SC.

[Observant Lurker]

sorry. my spellcheck was suppose to catch that error.
I need to update to a later version of spellcheck.

[miso]

Perhaps you were stoned out of your mind when Clinton was in office, so
let me refresh your memory.

> http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.02/

[miso]

And Eric Rudolph or Tim McVeigh isn't a terrorist?

[Sancho Panza]

Clinton's missile forays were nothing more than show for the consumption
of the dumb public. The action in the Oval Office closet was far more
substantive:

"The key piece of physical evidence linking the al-Shifa facility to
production of chemical weapons was the discovery of EMPTA in a soil
sample taken from the plant during a CIA clandestine operation. EMPTA,
or O-Ethyl methylphosphonothioic acid, is classified as a Schedule 2B
compound according to the Chemical Weapons Convention and is a VX
precursor.[3] Although several theoretical uses for EMPTA were
postulated as well as several patented processes using EMPTA, such as
the manufacture of plastic, no known industrial uses of EMPTA were ever
documented nor any products that contained EMPTA. It is, however, not
banned by the Chemical Weapons Convention as originally claimed by the
US government. Moreover, it does not necessarily follow from the
presence of EMPTA near (but outside) the boundary of Al-Shifa that this
was produced in the factory: EMPTA could have been "stored in or
transported near al-Shifa, instead of being produced by it", according
to a report by Michael Barletta.[4]

Under-Secretary of State Thomas Pickering claimed to have sufficient
evidence against Sudan, including contacts between officials at Al-Shifa
plant and Iraqi chemical weapons experts, with the Iraq chemical weapons
program the only one identified with using EMPTA for VX production. The
National Democratic Alliance (NDA), a Sudanese opposition in Cairo led
by Mubarak Al-Mahdi, also insisted that the plant was producing
ingredients for chemical weapons.[5] Former Clinton administration
counter terrorism advisor Richard Clarke and former national security
advisor Sandy Berger also noted the facilities alleged ties with the
former Iraqi government. Clarke also cited Iraq's $199,000 contract with
al Shifa for veterinary medicine under the UN's Oil for Food Program.
David Kay, a former UN weapons inspector also said that Iraq may have
assisted in the construction of the Al-Shifa plant, noting that Sudan
would be unlikely to have the technical knowledge to produce VX.[6]

Officials later acknowledged, however, "that the evidence that prompted
President Clinton to order the missile strike on the Shifa plant was not
as solid as first portrayed. Indeed, officials later said that there was
no proof that the plant had been manufacturing or storing nerve gas, as
initially suspected by the Americans, or had been linked to Osama bin
Laden, who was a resident of Khartoum in the 1980s."[7] . . .

Sudan has since invited the U.S. to conduct chemical tests at the site
for evidence to support its claim that the plant might have been a
chemical weapons factory; so far, the U.S. has refused the invitation to
investigate. Nevertheless, the U.S. has refused to officially apologize
for the attacks, suggesting that some privately still suspect that
chemical weapons activity existed there.[7]

The Khartoum attack was noted for its outstanding precision, as
successive missiles all but leveled the Al-Shifa works with minimal
damage to surrounding areas, although one person was killed and ten
wounded in the attack.
Directly after the strike the Sudanese government demanded that the
Security Council conduct an investigation of the site to determine if it
had been used to produce chemical weapons or precursors. Such an
investigation was from the start opposed by the US. Nor has USA ever let
an independent laboratory analyze the sample allegedly containing EMPTA.
Michael Barletta concludes that there is no evidence the al-Shifa
factory was ever involved in production of chemical weapons, and it is
known that many of the initial US allegations were wrong.[4]"

And this was the toll from the 74 Cruise missiles sent to four Afghan camps:

"According to Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid, 20 Afghans, seven
Pakistanis, three Yemenis, two Egyptians, one Saudi and one Turk were
killed.[9] Abu Jandal later estimated that only six men had been killed
in the strikes.[1] The only confirmed death in the strikes was
Egyptian-Canadian Amr Hamed. Osama bin Laden jokingly told militants at
the al-Jihad merger that only a few camels and chickens had died.[16]"

[Observant Lurker]

Cruise missiles cost about $1.5 M each. Clinton wasted a lot of money
trying to improve his image concerning terrorism and all he did was blow
up a few buildings.
Clinton was just about as worthless as the negro, now squatting in our
white house.

[miso]

> Cruise missiles cost about $1.5 M each. Clinton wasted a lot of money
> trying to improve his image concerning terrorism and all he did was blow
> up a few buildings.
> Clinton was just about as worthless as the negro, now squatting in our
> white house.
>

Oh please, the Obamas are very refined. I'm sure they sit in chairs.

Well it is interesting to see that the NSA snooping hasn't deterred some
er um opponents of the Obama administration, albeit fact challenged.