General Aviation Dead?
Quaalude
the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,
and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did
it get to this? How could someone let their plane “die” this way?"
<http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-aviation-%E2%80%9Cplane%E2%80%9D-to-see/>
Tom
> "I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or
> the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,
> and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did
> it get to this? How could someone let their plane ļæ½dieļæ½ this way?"
>
> <http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-aviation-%E2%80%9Cplane%E2%80%9D-to-see/>
GA on the decline? Absolutely. GA making adjustments to thwart that
decline. Hardly. The best/worst example is the Sport Pilot debacle and
the supposed emergence of "inexpensive" LSA. The LSA has gained some
ground with geezers who have flunked their medicals but driven a
resurgence of GA? Give me a break.
GA dead? NO. Dying? Like an octogenarian, it's only a matter of time.
Ace♠
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:39:34 -0400, Quaalude wrote:
> > "I look with sadness on the Cessna with bees nests in its air vents, or
> > the Mooney sitting on its rims with critters running in and out of it,
> > and the Cessna 150, faded and gutted like a fish. I ask myself, how did
>
> > <http://seebarryfly.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/is-the-death-of-general-a...>
>
> GA on the decline? Absolutely. GA making adjustments to thwart that
> decline. Hardly. The best/worst example is the Sport Pilot debacle and
> the supposed emergence of "inexpensive" LSA. The LSA has gained some
> ground with geezers who have flunked their medicals but driven a
> resurgence of GA? Give me a break.
>
> GA dead? NO. Dying? Like an octogenarian, it's only a matter of time.
Golly, Tom, do you live in GA the same as MU? lol
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MU
Golly Acey I haven't lived in Georgia since 2005. *LOL*
Please keep up like a good demon-troll should.
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Tom
it's dying.
The so-called inexpensive LSA new is typically over $100,000 with
extensive maintenance, fuel and other associated costs. Then with your
crappy Sport Pilot license, you can fly in circles, daylight and good
weather only and enjoy $300 hamburgers.
Since a medical is not required, there is no limitation on age or
capabilities, you can drop dead in the air when you would be denied a
drive's license.
But, hey, let's not limit air craziness to non racing aviation. Here we
have a geezer allowed to race over the heads of thousands and when he
kills a handful and maims a churchful, it's "metal fatigue". No, not the
metal in his head either.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/16/national/main20107634.shtml
Move the *children*, those who have not been chopped up by the flying
debris.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXjzMP-1Q-g
MU
I haven't renewed my PPL this year and one reason is that the airport I
fly out of is a) under runway construction and b) filled with daffy old
pilots.
Try sharing a single TO/L runway with a bunch of glaucoma-laden morons.
lol. When you choice on TO abort is "which set of mangroves do I ditch
in", you're better off grounded.
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Dudley Henriques
> capabilities, you can drop dead in the air when you would be denied a
> drive's license.
>
> But, hey, let's not limit air craziness to non racing aviation. Here we
> have a geezer allowed to race over the heads of thousands and when he
> kills a handful and maims a churchful, it's "metal fatigue". No, not the
> metal in his head either.
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/16/national/main20107634.shtml
>
> Move the *children*, those who have not been chopped up by the flying
> debris.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXjzMP-1Q-g
once again, let me get this straight, as following your mental chain on
this thing is a bit confusing if nothing else. At this point I'm simply
trying to find out if you're just nuts or just another of the rare RAM
simpleon assholes we pick up around here from time to time?
Between saving the day at Reno and pulling charred, stuck together
bodies off each other, then performing plastic surgery so each looks
like Grace Kelly and Cary Grant in their 30s, I have my hands full, Tom.
Is THIS what you're trying to sell everybody? I'm too old? Are you
Fukken NUTS? :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Take a quick look at what I have written, where I tell you to go fuck
yourself, and then you and I would should go out together and have a
drink or 20. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot; CFI; Savior; Retired
dhenriquestrashatearthlinktrashdotnet (take out the trash)
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Tom
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:36:49 -0400, Tom wrote:
>
>> Since a medical is not required, there is no limitation on age or
>> capabilities, you can drop dead in the air when you would be denied a
>> drive's license.
>>
>> But, hey, let's not limit air craziness to non racing aviation. Here we
>> have a geezer allowed to race over the heads of thousands and when he
>> kills a handful and maims a churchful, it's "metal fatigue". No, not the
>> metal in his head either.
>>
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/16/national/main20107634.shtml
>>
>> Move the *children*, those who have not been chopped up by the flying
>> debris.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXjzMP-1Q-g
>
> I have flown over 5000 types if you count prototypes and test beds, but
> once again, let me get this straight, as following your mental chain on
> this thing is a bit confusing if nothing else. At this point I'm simply
> trying to find out if you're just nuts or just another of the rare RAM
> simpleon assholes we pick up around here from time to time?
>
> Between saving the day at Reno and pulling charred, stuck together
> bodies off each other, then performing plastic surgery so each looks
> like Grace Kelly and Cary Grant in their 30s, I have my hands full, Tom.
place?
> Is THIS what you're trying to sell everybody? I'm too old? Are you
> Fukken NUTS? :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
reconstruction skills, duds. <rolls eyes>
> Take a quick look at what I have written, where I tell you to go fuck
> yourself, and then you and I would should go out together and have a
> drink or 20. :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
> Dudley Henriques
> International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
> Commercial Pilot; CFI; Savior; Retired
> dhenriquestrashatearthlinktrashdotnet (take out the trash)
> :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Keith Willshaw
>
> I haven't renewed my PPL this year and one reason is that the airport
> I fly out of is a) under runway construction and b) filled with daffy
> old pilots.
>
> Try sharing a single TO/L runway with a bunch of glaucoma-laden
> morons. lol. When you choice on TO abort is "which set of mangroves
> do I ditch in", you're better off grounded.
Active General Aviation Aircraft in the U.S. 1973-2011
Current as of March 2011
Source: FAA
Year No Active Aircraft
2011 224,475
2001 211,446
1991 196,874
1981 213,293
1973 153,311
Doesn't exactly look dead to me.
Keith
guy
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Ah, the voice of sanity! nice to hear from you again Dudley:-)
Guy
george152
> Ah, the voice of sanity! nice to hear from you again Dudley:-)
>
We seem to have picked up a spamming scamming low life who has a thing
against Dudley...
MU
Dying is not dead. Reality check, truth be known, general aviation is a
dying industry. Every year there are fewer active pilots, "active
airplanes" is a load.
At the airport where I learned to fly in the early '70s there used to be
three flight schools; two were busy enough and the third did some float
training. The tiedown area was covered in airplanes. Now there's one
flight school with a couple of Katanas, and both were tied down off in
a corner the other day when I was there. Maybe a quarter of the old
number of airplanes tied down outside, with a few more in hangars. No
kids at the fence. And this in a city that has seen the population
double in that time.
Transport Canada says that in some areas of the country flight training
is down 50% ( I was a partner Cessna dealer there).
The insurance companies have killed off the flight schools and rentals
in all but the most prosperous locations. The general liability
consciousness of our society has affected mentalities, and the fuel
crunch has done the rest.
I wish I could believe otherwise, but I think it is an unrecoverable
flat spin. . .
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Tom
Do you keep up with Huffman et al?
MU
> Do you keep up with Huffman et al?
Dekkers/Hilliard? I was @ Dekkers recent book signing to call out the
fraud until I was asked to "leave". LOL. Hilliard has been arrested more
than once for whipping up on teenagers, what a pair!
Huffman was bought by a Company Ponzi guy, they love Venice for obvious
reasons. Great facility, er, *was* I should say, the town has more
geezers in it than Marco Island and threex as dangerous.
Less mangroves though.
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Tom
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:29:55 -0400, Tom wrote:
>
>> Do you keep up with Huffman et al?
>
> Dekkers/Hilliard? I was @ Dekkers recent book signing to call out the
> fraud until I was asked to "leave". LOL. Hilliard has been arrested more
> than once for whipping up on teenagers, what a pair!
>
> Huffman was bought by a Company Ponzi guy, they love Venice for obvious
> reasons. Great facility, er, *was* I should say, the town has more
> geezers in it than Marco Island and threex as dangerous.
I was only there once in late 1999/2000 when they had a string of jets
lining the tarmac.
> Less mangroves though.
This is good. :)
MU
No flights, few pilots, several on payroll. Imagine that. lol
>> Less mangroves though.
>
> This is good. :)
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Dudley Henriques
Hi Guy!
Yes, There probably isn't a high performance pilot in the country who
hasn't had serious thoughts about Reno. Although our safety work group
has discussed the accident in detail among ourselves back channel,
<secret commo>
our general consensus in house is to not speculate publicly while the
NTSB investigation is in progress. Lord knows there are enough people
already doing that. It doesn't look good though. Methinks Jim fucked the
goose big time. :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
Our position is simply to work quietly back channel
<secret commo>
with suggestions that might help. Anything we come up with that might be
of value is then passed through ICAS, ACES, and Race Pilots Association
channels.
<super secret commo>
It's been a difficult time for our friends in the race community and
there has been considerable public relations collateral damage as well
to the air show community. All my work (surgical, carrying off the dead,
picking up parts of children for mind control projects, etc etc etc)
<secret commo>
Right now everybody is working very hard to collaborate and cooperate
with the NTSB and the FAA to come up with a whizbang load of bullshit.
I'm sure EAA is doing their part as well to help the affected
communities recover from RENO and move on in a positive way with the
safety of performers and fans alike foremost on the collective agenda.
IOW, we will spin the shit out of this in order to keeep the fucking FAA
from grounding idiots who fly there.
Much less the imbecile fans who attend. Think meat grinder. :)))))))))))
Best to you as always,
Love and kisses :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley
Keith Willshaw
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:11:43 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote:
>
>> MU wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't renewed my PPL this year and one reason is that the
>>> airport I fly out of is a) under runway construction and b) filled
>>> with daffy old pilots.
>>>
>>> Try sharing a single TO/L runway with a bunch of glaucoma-laden
>>> morons. lol. When you choice on TO abort is "which set of mangroves
>>> do I ditch in", you're better off grounded.
>>
>> Reality Check
>>
>> Active General Aviation Aircraft in the U.S. 1973-2011
>> Current as of March 2011
>> Source: FAA
>>
>> Year No Active Aircraft
>> 2011 224,475
>> 2001 211,446
>> 1991 196,874
>> 1981 213,293
>> 1973 153,311
>>
>> Doesn't exactly look dead to me.
>>
>> Keith
>
> Dying is not dead. Reality check, truth be known, general aviation is
> a dying industry. Every year there are fewer active pilots, "active
> airplanes" is a load.
>
It reflects those actually flying
Keith
Tom
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:46:24 -0400, Tom wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:41:05 -0400, MU wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:29:55 -0400, Tom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you keep up with Huffman et al?
>>>
>>> Dekkers/Hilliard? I was @ Dekkers recent book signing to call out the
>>> fraud until I was asked to "leave". LOL. Hilliard has been arrested more
>>> than once for whipping up on teenagers, what a pair!
>>>
>>> Huffman was bought by a Company Ponzi guy, they love Venice for obvious
>>> reasons. Great facility, er, *was* I should say, the town has more
>>> geezers in it than Marco Island and threex as dangerous.
>>
>> I was only there once in late 1999/2000 when they had a string of jets
>> lining the tarmac.
>
> No flights, few pilots, several on payroll. Imagine that. lol
I thought that was where Atta et al became super-duper Boeing pilots
<dripping sarcasm>
>>> Less mangroves though.
>>
>> This is good. :)
>
> <http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KMKY/map/satellite>
Never short, never long; no control tower, what fun. <dripping sarcasm>
Tom
Thanks for the update, Jesus Henriques, Lord Savior Compleat.
MU
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:59:02 -0400, MU wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:46:24 -0400, Tom wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:41:05 -0400, MU wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:29:55 -0400, Tom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you keep up with Huffman et al?
>>>>
>>>> Dekkers/Hilliard? I was @ Dekkers recent book signing to call out the
>>>> fraud until I was asked to "leave". LOL. Hilliard has been arrested more
>>>> than once for whipping up on teenagers, what a pair!
>>>>
>>>> Huffman was bought by a Company Ponzi guy, they love Venice for obvious
>>>> reasons. Great facility, er, *was* I should say, the town has more
>>>> geezers in it than Marco Island and threex as dangerous.
>>>
>>> I was only there once in late 1999/2000 when they had a string of jets
>>> lining the tarmac.
>>
>> No flights, few pilots, several on payroll. Imagine that. lol
>
> I thought that was where Atta et al became super-duper Boeing pilots
> <dripping sarcasm>
Even Dekkers doesn't believe any of that nonsense and he knew Atta
better than anyone. Anyone except Company guys, the Saudis and Macdill.
Dekkers is fluent in German as *is* Atta. In private conversation, when
I knew him after 2001, he would swear up and down that there was
absolutely no way for the hijackers to have accomplished the TT hit.
None. Zero. Nada.
>>>> Less mangroves though.
>>>
>>> This is good. :)
>>
>> <http://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KMKY/map/satellite>
>
> Never short, never long; no control tower, what fun. <dripping sarcasm>
KMKY is laying a second strip. Won't matter, it's a waste of money. the
geezers will taxi out on the wrong ones and land on the outbounds.
*sigh*
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There you go. Start a flight school. Train all those incoming students,
you'll make a fortune. lol
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What wars did he serve in?
Dudley Henriques
constitutes basic accuracy and fidelity. Nothing to be overly concerned
about. As I've said previously I don't speak for God just Jesus.
I just
offer my excellent, uncontestablem always-the-fuck-right opinion. Your
opinion is respected and I won't press the point further.
You oversaturated cum jizzling fucktarded assclown.
Best to you.
Regards,
Love you always ;)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Dudley Henriques
President Emeritus; Lord And Savior
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship - Collector Of Dues
MVP 2006-2007 Microsoft Flight Simulator Graduate
Cancer Survivor, Let's Have A Smoke!
Tom
Dudley Henriques
I would respond to you but its nitey nite time and I quit Usenet
:)))))))
Many thanks
Check my computers IP address
Thanks.
Dudley
Many thanks
Thanks.
Tom
I see.
> Many thanks
> Check my computers IP address
> Thanks.
> Dudley
> Many thanks
> Thanks.
Welcome <face palm plant>
Ace♠
>
> > I would respond to you but its nitey nite time and I quit Usenet
> > :)))))))
>
> I see.
>
> > Many thanks
> > Check my computers IP address
> > Thanks.
> > Dudley
> > Many thanks
> > Thanks.
>
> Welcome <face palm plant>
Try not to become too exacerbated, Courtney.
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Mxsmanic
former middle class is gone in the United States. Anyone wishing to fly must
either have a great deal of money (e.g., the top 1%) or must be willing to
make gigantic sacrifices to raise the money for flying. Most people don't want
to fly enough to make gigantic sacrifices, and most people don't make much
money, so GA is in decline.
If a prosperous middle class were to reappear, this trend would probably
reverse.
Another problem is the massive regulation of aviation, which raises the price
and creates many other barriers, surmountable and sometimes insurmountable, to
flying. But this is mostly a constant rather than a variable, so it does not
push GA into decline so much as it holds it at an artificially low level.
Some aspects of GA are doing much better than others. The top 1% is still very
interested in flying around on private jets, for example.
Peter Skelton
> And let's not forget how the costs of defending against and paying
> large judgments for liability insurance have so increased costs that
> manufacturers of affordable planes have been either forced out of
> business or are no longer able to produce an affordable, entry level
> aircraft for GA.
>
> Goodbye, Piper Cub.
Nice rant. Here's a bit of reality for you:
Private aircraft are only part of general aviation which, to
over-simplify like wikki, is everything unscheduled. To manufacturers of
aircraft, GA is larger because aircraft used for both scheduled and
unscheduled (like the King air or Otter) get lumped in.
the Cessena 150 cost $7K stripped in 1958, when it came out, comparable
aircraft today are around 140K. Both are roughly half the price of a
single detached house.
The piper cub went out of production in 1947.
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Peter
Steve Hix
Cubcrafters, running about the price you mentioned above. In the case of
Cubcrafters, several versions, from basic Light Sport to pretty sporty Super Cub
types.
Ace♠
I win.
Again.
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Ace♠
I win.
Again.
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Peter Skelton
plane but with no commonality with the original cub.
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Dan
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Steve Hix
> >
> > The Cubcrafters stuff is Super Cub derivative and much updated, a fine
> > plane but with no commonality with the original cub.
Peter Skelton
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Dan
company that produced the super and the original. I don't recall if they
provided full kits or just the fuselage frames.
Ace♠
> I stopped
Get the fuck out of alt.vacation.las-vegas asshole.
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