The Queen and her court...
fx...@nospamverizon.net
MSS bar and having way too much fun. Steve H-K was apparently there
earlier but NO OTHER locals showed up! What's up with that? Is everyone
washing their hair?
Denny in Mass
Pat O'Connell
Well, I'm no longer a local, and Albuquerque is pretty far away. Maybe
I'll make it to the Soiree...
--
Pat O'Connell
[note munged EMail address]
Take nothing but pictures, Leave nothing but footprints,
Kill nothing but vandals...
Marsha L
As a few of you know, I was at the NBPA All-Star Gala last night, an event
that I was committed to stay at until 3am. At the point at which I "should"
have left here to meet up with them, I'd only had an hour and a half
sleep... not the wisest condition under which to drive from "here" to
"there". I had planned on going to see Barack Obama speak at the Government
Center and to then catch up with them at MSS. I watched him on television...
the man is GOOD.
I am SO tired... with any luck, there's a really good night's sleep coming
up later tonight...
Marsha
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EVIL ELVIS
> Well, I'm no longer a local, and Albuquerque is pretty far away.
Gosh, Patty-O. Burque isn't THAT far away. It's only an eight hour
drive or so. Geesh!
> Maybe I'll make it to the Soiree...
There is no "maybe". You must attend. Resistance is fut.... wait,
that's my Mac line. How about, C'mon, it'll be fun.
--EE--
tc1...@webtv.net
then, it wasn't the best taunt. They have a way to go to keep up with us
at the Range. tc
fx...@nospamverizon.net
Denny in Mass
tc1...@webtv.net
Re (Marsha L)
Marsha L
to think that he has a shot at being our President, sooner, rather than
later.
FWIW, I like you too... AND G!
Marsha
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From: Those...@gobbledygook.gmail.com (Marsha L)
JP
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should really consider his policies, his ideas for leading the country and
if he has the experience to handle the job.
You are probably a very intelligent woman, but the dumbest think I can think
of, is a person, who wants someone to be president because they are
"charismatic", a "good talker" or "good looking". Those traits do not
denote, whether a person is going to make a good president.
I think Hillary is one, fine looking woman with a very attractive face and
hairstyle, but even if I was a liberal democrat, I would not vote for her
because of her looks.
JP
=SEN0UR TR0UT=
RULE OUT THE FACT THAT POSSIBLY THEY DESIRE NOT TOT SPEND TIME IN YOUR
COMPANY...AFTER ALL, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO WASH EVEN A FULL HEAD OF
HAIR???
=SEN0UR TR0UT=
Have A Great Day...from here in beautiful Dallas, Tx...
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Burt Cohen
> "Marsha L" <Those...@gobbledygook.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8E7Ch.89742$2m6....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>LOL... and I admire Michelle too. The man is very charismatic and I'd like
>>to think that he has a shot at being our President, sooner, rather than
>>later.
>>
>>FWIW, I like you too... AND G!
>>
>>Marsha
>>
>><tc1...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>>Calm down Marsha, Barack is married. Tom in Ct.
>>Re (Marsha L)
>> I had planned on going to see Barack Obama speak at the Government
>>Center and to then catch up with them at MSS. I watched him on
>>television... the man is GOOD.
>>I am SO tired... with any luck, there's a really good night's sleep
>>coming up later tonight...
>>Marsha
>>
>
> Marsha; You are certainly entitled to your opinion about Barack, but you
> should really consider his policies, his ideas for leading the country and
> if he has the experience to handle the job.
Meanwhile, you have attempted to discredit him by mentioning the
spelling of his name, his skin color, and his non-existant muslim faith.
-Burt
--
"You just cannnot do wea r short dresses with no underware and later say
your reputation was shamed."
-Big Mikey
JP
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I have no problem with how he spells his name. He does have muslim
connections in his family and thats why his name is muslim. Should this
discredit him?? This was talked about to a great extent in a recent article
on CNN.com and the article itself asked the question.."will this muslim
ancestory affect his quest for the presidency?". I suppose the liberal idea
is to just keep quiet and hope no one talks about his connection with the
muslim world.
As for being black, this certainly does not discredit him, if I mention his
race. Can he hide the fact that he is black, while people in society
question, if he should be president with his limited political experience?
Your idea, that no one should mention any variable that might throw cold
water on his run for the white house, (race...a muslim family background,
whiich he does have) is the whole basis for the invention of political
correctness; and PC sucks.
JP
Burt Cohen
You tell Marsha to take into account his policies and leadership
abilities, yet you never discuss those yourself. You only mention the
other crap under the guise that "other people" might take them into
consideration.
DocDice
Barack, but you
How do you define a liberal, JP. Do you define a liberal as someone to
adds to the deficit OR is one dfined as a liberal only if they add to
the deficit in ways that you do not agree with?
Give us a clue, if you have one?
DD
Marsha L
"Burt Cohen" <burtc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> -Burt
Burt... there are people whose posts are best left unread.
Regarding Barack Obama, I've seen him make several television appearances
since he gained national attention following his speech at the last
Democratic Presidential convention. I've read both of his books and found
myself wanting to stand up and cheer repeatedly. So when I discovered that
he was going to be here, and I had a chance to go see him, I wanted to do
so... NOW... because I hope that it will be increasingly difficult to get a
ticket to do so in the future.
I believe that the very things that make him "different" are the ones that
may well make him be our best choice in '08.
Marsha
JP
I never discussed his policies and leadership abilities? You should read my
other posts. This man is in his FIRST term as a Senator from ILL. Very
little political experience for a man, who wants to be president.
When he was in college and just afterwards, he had some typical black views
concerning whites, that you would usually find with the black panthers. The
media will have fun, asking him to explain why white society is responsible
for all of the problems of black americans. That was his view BEFORE he
decided to run for office. The article pointed out, that he said a lot of
juicy things, without thinking about how they would sound in the future.
I'm not anti-black, but I don't relish the idea of having a president, who
thinks white society owes the black people a free ride, and thats how his
remarks sounded to me, when I read them in that article. Now, if you say, "g
ee....I haven't read anything like that" then it is because the liberal
media is giving him a free pass, until after he is nominated.
JP
JP
>
> "Burt Cohen" <burtc...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:9ykCh.4037$tD2....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> > Meanwhile, you have attempted to discredit him by mentioning the
spelling
> > of his name, his skin color, and his non-existent muslim faith.
> >
> > -Burt
>
> Burt... there are people whose posts are best left unread.
I have to assume, that posts, which do not agree with your viewpoint and
which do not toe the liberal agenda, are best left unread.
Just remember..a sharp insurance salesman with charisma and a slick tongue
can sell you insurance, that turns out to be unneeded.
Gee...I thought everyone had the right to a different opinion of a
presidential candidate. guess not marsha.
JP
Steve Harder-Kucera
>When he was in college and just afterwards, he had some typical black views
>concerning whites,
Do you actually unhinge your jaw when shoving your foot into your
mouth, or just use the heel of your hand and push really hard?
Mutant Bluegrass That Rocks!
http://www.thepickadillos.com
JP
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deficits many times in history and the republicans have done the samething.
A liberal is someone, who believes that the government is the answer for all
of our countries problems. They believe, just throw money at the problem and
it will go away. That is why 1/4 of all americans receive a monthly check
from the government; including me on SS.
A liberal politician is also someone, who designs their social programs, so
that the receipents remember who gave them the bennies and will vote for
them at the next election. For example...college scholorships or grants for
only minorities...I.E. blacks and hispanics; no whites allowed. Don't
believe they exist? They do and it is unfair as hell. In short, it is buying
votes with taxpayer money and doing it the legal way.
A conservative person believes that people should take care of themselves
with a minimum help from the government. Social security should be setup, so
that if a person retires and has a 6 figure retirement income..not counting
SS, then they should forfeit their SS money and let it go to other people. I
agree.
Conservatives feel that the playing field should be "level" between
minorities and whites. That scholorships and grants should go to ANYONE, who
meet the qualifications.
Just an example of the difference.
Now, if you vote for someone because they have a slick speaking style, that
is not being a liberal; that is being stupid.
A liberal, would suggest that you avoid reading or listening to someone, who
does not project the liberal, democratic agenda. people such as marsha.
JP
JP
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What's wrong steve? Afraid to talk about the things, the PC people want to
keep silent? BTW..there are many blacks, who feel for one reason or
another, that since their ancestors were slaves 160 years ago, that white
society owes them something. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, if Obama
has the same attitude.
We owe them nothing. People alive today did not own slaves...we did not run
plantations...we had nothing to do with the bad situation, that their
ancestors were subjected to.
All white society owes them is a level playing field, free from
discrimination and abuse and the chance to enjoy the same benefits and
opportunities that whites have. Nothing more and nothing less. Civil right
laws do just that.
Bill cosby said something about some blacks having a bad attitude 2 years
ago and he really got some peoples attention. I believe he asked the
question about how a young black man is ever going to become a doctor, when
he wears his pants down around his crack and talks that stupid hip hop crap.
enough said.
JP
Steve Harder-Kucera
>What's wrong steve? Afraid to talk about the things, the PC people want to
>keep silent?
Not afraid at all.
>BTW..there are many blacks, who feel for one reason or
>another, that since their ancestors were slaves 160 years ago, that white
>society owes them something. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, if Obama
>has the same attitude.
Now you qualify it by saying "many blacks". That's a pretty fast
reversal from your earlier labeling of same as "the typical black
view".
You can type 1000 words telling us that you're not a bigot. Funny how
it only takes about 6 to show us otherwise.
>We owe them nothing. People alive today did not own slaves...we did not run
>plantations...we had nothing to do with the bad situation, that their
>ancestors were subjected to.
>All white society owes them .....
Who is this "We" you refer to. And tell me more about this "White
Society".....
And why go all the way back to the days of slavery to make your little
points. I'm a fairly young guy, born in 1962. Racial discrimination
was legal in my lifetime. This is not ancient history.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/civilrightstimeline1.html
Octopus Ride
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:41:13 GMT, "JP" <john...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>What's wrong steve? Afraid to talk about the things, the PC people want to
>>keep silent?
> Not afraid at all.
>>BTW..there are many blacks, who feel for one reason or
>>another, that since their ancestors were slaves 160 years ago, that white
>>society owes them something. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, if
>>Obama
>>has the same attitude.
> Now you qualify it by saying "many blacks". That's a pretty fast
> reversal from your earlier labeling of same as "the typical black
> view".
There are blacks who feel this way, but of course its hardly "typical".
Just as there are some old white guys scamming Social Security and who have
brains the size of peanuts. There are white people like this, but its
hardly typical.
Why Barack Obama would be one of these blacks who feel society owes them
something because their ancestors were slaves I have no idea; especially
considering the fact that no one in his family was ever a slave. Obama is
being criticized by some blacks for not being black enough, for supposedly
not being able to understand the American black experience because his
father was an actual African from Africa and all of whose ancestors were
Africans who lived in Africa and not sold into slavery.
He's a biracial guy who was raised by a white family in Hawaii, for
crissakes. He is not a descendant of slaves.
> You can type 1000 words telling us that you're not a bigot. Funny how
> it only takes about 6 to show us otherwise.
>>We owe them nothing. People alive today did not own slaves...we did not
>>run
>>plantations...we had nothing to do with the bad situation, that their
>>ancestors were subjected to.
And this has what to do with the son of an African man and a white woman
from Kansas?
Obama could be one of those members of white society who believes that slave
reparations make no sense. He certainly isn't in favor of them, that being
an issue that comes up in Chicago from time to time.
>>All white society owes them .....
You're the one collecting something for nothing from society out of a sense
of entitlement. Obama has a job!
And you're ripping off whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, gays, lesbians,
native Americans, and mixtures of all of the above. Your sense of
entitlement knows no bounds.
> Who is this "We" you refer to. And tell me more about this "White
> Society".....
The hardly typical, peanut brained, welfare scamming, entitled white trash
society to which he belongs?
> And why go all the way back to the days of slavery to make your little
> points. I'm a fairly young guy, born in 1962. Racial discrimination
> was legal in my lifetime. This is not ancient history.
>
> http://www.infoplease.com/spot/civilrightstimeline1.html
I remember when white welfare scammers with a peanut sized brain and a sense
of entitlement were scorned.
Maybe its time to bring that back. We can start with separate but equal
public accomodations, with the occasional public firehosing to clean off the
stink.
OR
Walt
Harder-Kucera <st...@no-spam-betterwaywebsites.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:41:13 GMT, "JP" <john...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >BTW..there are many blacks, who feel for one reason or
> >another, that since their ancestors were slaves 160 years ago, that white
> >society owes them something. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, if Obama
> >has the same attitude.
>
> Now you qualify it by saying "many blacks". That's a pretty fast
> reversal from your earlier labeling of same as "the typical black
> view".
In all fairness, Payton didn't say "THE typical black view," he said
"SOME typical black views," which I took to mean the views of some
blacks. I think that's as valid as referring to "some typical white
views" about blacks.
--- Walt
Steve Harder-Kucera
<fakea...@anyisp.com> wrote:
>There are blacks who feel this way, but of course its hardly "typical".
What's funny is that after two years the white trash Jerry Springer
cast just moved out of the house next door. I was really happy to see
a black family looking at the place a few days. Finally some decent
neighbors!
JP
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:41:13 GMT, "JP" <john...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >What's wrong steve? Afraid to talk about the things, the PC people want
to
> >keep silent?
>
> Not afraid at all.
>
> >BTW..there are many blacks, who feel for one reason or
> >another, that since their ancestors were slaves 160 years ago, that white
> >society owes them something. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, if
Obama
> >has the same attitude.
>
> Now you qualify it by saying "many blacks". That's a pretty fast
> reversal from your earlier labeling of same as "the typical black
> view".
"Many"...."some", whats the big deal. I never said "all".
You never find "all" of any group in agreement.
> You can type 1000 words telling us that you're not a bigot. Funny how
> it only takes about 6 to show us otherwise.
A bigot means I feel superior to another race. NOT AT ALL TRUE. but when
someone of any race, feels that another race owes them something because of
what happened 2 or 3 generations removed, or 150 YEARS AGO, is total
bullshit.
In the past, except for support from the black caucus in washington and a
few big mouthed politicians, the idea to pay damages to current black
people because of slavery never got off the ground. In case you didn't
follow the bill, the congress soon found out, that to recommend paying
billions in taxpayers money to blacks because of slavery would have been
political suicide.
We owe no one anything but equal rights and equal opportunity.
>
> >We owe them nothing. People alive today did not own slaves...we did not
run
> >plantations...we had nothing to do with the bad situation, that their
> >ancestors were subjected to.
>
> >All white society owes them .....
we , AMERICAN SOCIETY, owe them SHIT. We didn't cause or participate in
slavery and we are not responsible for what happened to ANYONES relatives.
>
> Who is this "We" you refer to. And tell me more about this "White
> Society".....
>
> And why go all the way back to the days of slavery to make your little
> points. I'm a fairly young guy, born in 1962. Racial discrimination
> was legal in my lifetime. This is not ancient history.
No shit sherlock. I've been in a store in selma, AL when I was about 14 and
saw mens rooms labeled "white" and "colored". I don't agree with any of the
discrimination that went on during the 50's..60's or later, but laws have
been passed and it is our obligation to respect these laws, so everyone has
an equal lifestyle and opportunity. White society owes no one anything of
monetary value. We are required to rid society of discrimination. Not pay
people for damages that happened in the past.
What are you looking for? lawsuits filed by blacks against whites, because
blacks were not waited on fast enough in a dennys?
JP
Steve Harder-Kucera
>In all fairness, Payton didn't say "THE typical black view," he said
>"SOME typical black views," which I took to mean the views of some
>blacks. I think that's as valid as referring to "some typical white
>views" about blacks.
>
> --- Walt
I had a different read. I read it as "he has some views that are the
typical black view" as opposed to "views that are typical of some
blacks".
Given that he had the chance to clarify his position and chose not to.
But in all fairness, it's Payton. He may not have known what he meant.
JP
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the shit off of the streets in the skid row area where you hang out?
I don't care what Obama thinks or says. I wish i had bookmarked that
editorial I read on CNN.com, so I could give actual quotes this Obama
character said.
Sorry..have to run. time to check my SS account and make sure I'm not being
screwed by the gov.
JP
Steve Harder-Kucera
>> >BTW..there are many blacks, who feel for one reason or
>> >another, that since their ancestors were slaves 160 years ago, that white
>> >society owes them something. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, if
>Obama
>> >has the same attitude.
>>
>> Now you qualify it by saying "many blacks". That's a pretty fast
>> reversal from your earlier labeling of same as "the typical black
>> view".
>
>"Many"...."some", whats the big deal. I never said "all".
>You never find "all" of any group in agreement.
You didn't say "all". You said "the typical black view". But thanks
for clarifying that I didn't misread your original post. Walt gave you
a great "out". You should have taken it.
>> You can type 1000 words telling us that you're not a bigot. Funny how
>> it only takes about 6 to show us otherwise.
>
>A bigot means I feel superior to another race. NOT AT ALL TRUE. but when
>someone of any race, feels that another race owes them something because of
>what happened 2 or 3 generations removed, or 150 YEARS AGO, is total
>bullshit.
Well...not a very good example of bigotry, although you did get pretty
close to nailing a definition for racism.
What am I looking for? Mostly intelligent discourse. I'm certainly not
expecting it from you. And let us remember that you're the one who
brought up reparations and the fact that slavery ended 160 years ago.
I merely pointed out that institutional racism didn't end with
slavery.
Walt
Harder-Kucera <st...@no-spam-betterwaywebsites.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:46:41 -0500, Walt <no...@none.void> wrote:
>
> >In all fairness, Payton didn't say "THE typical black view," he said
> >"SOME typical black views," which I took to mean the views of some
> >blacks. I think that's as valid as referring to "some typical white
> >views" about blacks.
> >
> > --- Walt
>
> I had a different read. I read it as "he has some views that are the
> typical black view" as opposed to "views that are typical of some
> blacks".
Yes, I see it could go either way.
> Given that he had the chance to clarify his position and chose not to.
> But in all fairness, it's Payton. He may not have known what he meant.
My sense of Payton is that his resentment of government welfare
programs, political correctness, etc., is not based on a racist or
bigoted view, judging from the overall content and tone of his remarks.
There are clearly racists and bigots on Usenet (or trolls who pretend
to be) who leave no doubt where they stand. I don't believe Payton is
one of them.
--- Walt
Steve Harder-Kucera
>My sense of Payton is that his resentment of government welfare
>programs, political correctness, etc., is not based on a racist or
>bigoted view, judging from the overall content and tone of his remarks.
>There are clearly racists and bigots on Usenet (or trolls who pretend
>to be) who leave no doubt where they stand. I don't believe Payton is
>one of them.
I think there are degrees of racism and bigotry. My personal sense of
Payton is that he is not those things to a great degree. To me he
represents the classic modern AM radio audience member based on the
surface level opinions he expresses. His little anecdotes remind me of
the hearsay evidence that goes unchallenged every day by radio hosts
nationwide.
EVIL ELVIS
> Doc, adding to the deficit means nothing.
Why does every single economist and even Conservatives like John
McCain say that the deficit is out of control?
> democrats have expanded the
> deficits many times in history and the republicans have done the samething.
Not to this type of dangerous level - ever.
> A liberal is someone, who believes that the government is the answer for all
> of our countries problems. They believe, just throw money at the problem and
> it will go away.
That's a bunch of right-wing republican CON-man nonsense and you know
it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal
"Liberalism is an ideology, philosophical view, and political
tradition which holds that liberty is the primary political value.
Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment, but the
term has taken on different meanings in different time periods (for
example now in the United States generally it means new liberalism
while in the rest of the world has the meaning of classical
liberalism).
Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a
society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals,
limitations on power (especially of government and religion), the rule
of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports
free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in
which the rights of all citizens are protected. In modern society,
liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where
all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to
succeed."
> That is why 1/4 of all americans receive a monthly check
> from the government; including me on SS.
So, Liberals are the sole reason of your existence?
> A liberal politician is also someone, who designs their social programs, so
> that the receipents remember who gave them the bennies and will vote for
> them at the next election. For example...college scholorships or grants for
> only minorities...I.E. blacks and hispanics; no whites allowed.
<jaw drops>
So, you think that all the racist and discrimanatory policies of the
U.S. government and school system against Blacks and Hispanics were
okie dokie? Do you not realize that because of the racism of Whites
in America that those programs came into existance? You have what
most Americans suffer from: amnesia. You cannot remember what racist
policies have existed in America in the last few decades. Hell, you
cannot even remember what you posted 2 posts ago.
> Don't believe they exist? They do and it is unfair as hell.
It's unfair that Blacks and Hispanics get the same education as
Whites?
> In short, it is buying
> votes with taxpayer money and doing it the legal way.
I wonder how Bush and Cheney got their votes?
> A conservative person believes that people should take care of themselves
> with a minimum help from the government.
I wonder what entity controls policy, prints money, writes laws and
protects it's citizens? The government? Naaaah...
> Social security should be setup, so
> that if a person retires and has a 6 figure retirement income..not counting
> SS, then they should forfeit their SS money and let it go to other people. I
> agree.
Huh?
> Conservatives feel that the playing field should be "level" between
> minorities and whites.
No, Liberals do.
> That scholorships and grants should go to ANYONE, who
> meet the qualifications.
That's what Liberal government grants do. Go pick up a copy of a
FAFSA brochure. Tell me where it says "Hispanics and Blacks only need
apply".
> Just an example of the difference.
Only in your mind.
> Now, if you vote for someone because they have a slick speaking style, that
> is not being a liberal; that is being stupid.
Huh?
> A liberal, would suggest that you avoid reading or listening to someone, who
> does not project the liberal, democratic agenda.
Hate to break it to you, pal but we live in a Liberal democracy. Take
a listen to what the right-wing nutters on AM radio say day in and day
out. And the ACLU comes to the aid of liars such as Limbaugh and
Hannity. Please don't play that card again. You will lose every
time.
> people such as marsha.
Yet here you are being able to say what you want and how you want to
say it. Amazing, ain't it?
--EE--
JP
I don't remember using the word "typical" but if I did it was wrong. I most
likely used the word "some", since it is rare to imply that "all" of any
group would do anything.
JP
JP
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Walt, if were ever meet, I'll buy you TWO drinks. Your description of me
right on target.
I don't hate any race or any ethnic background, but I am against government
welfare programs that are UNNECESSARY or that favor one race over another.
With all the civil right laws that the fed gov and the states have passed
since 1964, affirmative action is no longer necessary, since SOME AA
programs favored blacks and hispanic people over whites. REVERSE
DISCRIMINATION is also VERY WRONG. White society cannot make amends to its
black citizens by taking away rights from the white citizens.
My white son has has just as much of a right to apply for a scholorship as
someone's BLACK son, as long as all the financial requirements are met.
Political correctness was invented to prohibit people from expressing
viewpoints, which do not favor the liberal agenda. Nothing more than taking
away free speech rights from citizens who disagree with the liberal agenda.
Thats basically where I stand and these people who like to toss around the
words "racist" and "bigot" really don't know the true definitions of the
words.
JP
JP
Sorry steve. I'm not a dittohead and rarely listen to AM radio.
I am also, not a racist or bigot of any degree. To be against any program
which favors a minority is NOT racist, whether you think so or not. I also
do not think I am better than anyone else or that the white race is better
than some other race. We are all equal, so make the laws and government
programs apply EQUALLY to all races.
No one should receive a government benefit because of the color of their
skin or where they came from.
Call me a racist if you like but I've always had the trait of speaking my
mind and PC has never stopped me yet.
JP
JP
You hit the nail on the head with your last statement steve.
> I merely pointed out that institutional racism didn't end with
> slavery.
You can pass as many laws as you like and use PC to keep people quiet, but
discrimination will continue until the public is educated against racism.
Being against programs that favor minorities over whites is NOT RACISM.
You may also call this BS, but I went to school during the 50's and early
60's. before the 1964 civil right laws.
Black kids and white kids did not socialized anywhere except at school.
Whites and blacks ate lunch together in their own groups. After school, they
went home to their own neighborhoods and we to ours.
Now, I am not saying that segregation was proper or good. IT WAS NOT and we
needed the civil right laws, but there was a lot less, and close to zero,
racial trouble between blacks and whites in the schools I attended in
kentucky.
Everyone seemed to get along real good in class; playing sports in PE and
ever when leaving school. The trouble between blacks and whites seemed to
originate when forced busing was installed by the courts and kids were
required to go to school outside of their neighborhoods.
Just food for thought.
JP
JP
news:1171940217.0...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 19, 12:28 pm, "JP" <john5...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Doc, adding to the deficit means nothing.
>
> Why does every single economist and even Conservatives like John
> McCain say that the deficit is out of control?
I was defining a liberal. Adding to the deficit is done by everyone..liberal
or conservative.
> > democrats have expanded the
> > deficits many times in history and the republicans have done the
samething.
>
> Not to this type of dangerous level - ever.
>
> > A liberal is someone, who believes that the government is the answer for
all
> > of our countries problems. They believe, just throw money at the problem
and
> > it will go away.
>
> That's a bunch of right-wing republican CON-man nonsense and you know
> it.
Wrong EE. Its the teddy kennedy style of government.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal
>
> "Liberalism is an ideology, philosophical view, and political
> tradition which holds that liberty is the primary political value.
> Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment, but the
> term has taken on different meanings in different time periods (for
> example now in the United States generally it means new liberalism
> while in the rest of the world has the meaning of classical
> liberalism).
>
> Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a
> society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals,
> limitations on power (especially of government and religion), the rule
> of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports
> free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in
> which the rights of all citizens are protected. In modern society,
> liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where
> all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to
> succeed."
>
> > That is why 1/4 of all americans receive a monthly check
> > from the government; including me on SS.
>
> So, Liberals are the sole reason of your existence?
It looks that way. FDR and his merry band of democrats started SS. If they
let people put money into IRA'S during their working careers, they would be
a lot better off at retirement, but the government wouldn't have money to
take care of people who NEVER work. Thats where the socialism comes in.
>
> > A liberal politician is also someone, who designs their social programs,
so
> > that the receipents remember who gave them the bennies and will vote for
> > them at the next election. For example...college scholorships or grants
for
> > only minorities...I.E. blacks and hispanics; no whites allowed.
>
> <jaw drops>
>
> So, you think that all the racist and discrimanatory policies of the
> U.S. government and school system against Blacks and Hispanics were
> okie dokie? Do you not realize that because of the racism of Whites
> in America that those programs came into existance?
We have had civil right laws since 1964. Minorities have had equal
educational rights since then. The scholorship programs favoring minorities
came into existance within the past 10 years. Long after the playing field
was leveled.
You have what
> most Americans suffer from: amnesia. You cannot remember what racist
> policies have existed in America in the last few decades. Hell, you
> cannot even remember what you posted 2 posts ago.
>
> > Don't believe they exist? They do and it is unfair as hell.
>
> It's unfair that Blacks and Hispanics get the same education as
> Whites?
>
> > In short, it is buying
> > votes with taxpayer money and doing it the legal way.
>
> I wonder how Bush and Cheney got their votes?
Please name just one social welfare program that W and cheney have designed
to get votes. You can;t do it EE.
>
> > A conservative person believes that people should take care of
themselves
> > with a minimum help from the government.
>
> I wonder what entity controls policy, prints money, writes laws and
> protects it's citizens? The government? Naaaah...
>
> > Social security should be setup, so
> > that if a person retires and has a 6 figure retirement income..not
counting
> > SS, then they should forfeit their SS money and let it go to other
people. I
> > agree.
>
> Huh?
This has been talked about in congress at least twice. The dems shot it down
both times.
Only in america EE. Ain't it great!
JP....nice enough to read EE rants and raves.
>
>
> --EE--
>
Gregg Cattanach
> A bigot means I feel superior to another race.
Wrong. That's racism.
You challenged other that they don't know the definitions of racism and
bigotry, maybe these will help YOU finally get it straight.
big·ot·ry (bigĆĂ tr ), n., pl. -ries.
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that
differs from one's own.
2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.
prej·u·dice (prejĆĂ dis), n., v., -diced, -dic·ing.
—n.
1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without
knowledge, thought, or reason.
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature,
regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
rac·ism (r€Ćsiz Ăm), n.
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human
races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the
idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a
doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
--
Gregg C.
Andrew in Alabama
EVERYTHING to your dumn ass????
>big·ot·ry (bigÆÃ tr?), n., pl. -ries.
>1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that
>differs from one's own.
>2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.
3. (See) John Payton of Whooshter, MA.
--
Andrew <-- is it JOONE yet?
"Calling someone retarded isn't as much fun when they actually ARE retarded."
"Anonymous" at Red Rock buffet 2/18/2007
Walt
> "Steve Harder-Kucera" <st...@no-spam-betterwaywebsites.com> wrote in message
> >
> > I had a different read. I read it as "he has some views that are the
> > typical black view" as opposed to "views that are typical of some
> > blacks".
>
> I don't remember using the word "typical" but if I did it was wrong. I most
> likely used the word "some", since it is rare to imply that "all" of any
> group would do anything.
It's easy to search old posts. You should try it sometime.
> Newsgroups: alt.vacation.las-vegas
> From: "JP" <john5...@verizon.net>
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:07:05 GMT
> This man is in his FIRST term as a Senator from ILL. Very little political
> experience for a man, who wants to be president. When he was in college
> and just afterwards, he had some typical black views concerning whites,
JP
WHY SEARCH???? Someone else is going to do the work for me, just so they can
fire back and make me look lazy. Happens everytime.
JP
Andrew in Alabama
your dumn ass????
>WHY WORK???? Someone else is going to do the work for me, just so they can
>pay me for being lazy. Happens every month.
Fixed your post, John Payton.
Big MIkey Always and Forever
The country bought a load of horseshit from (Bill) Clinton? Why not Obama?
Actually I may eventually like Obama--not just in 2008. He still needs a
little more experience...
BM
"JP" <john...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:MKhCh.867$tQ.666@trndny07...
> "Marsha L" <Those...@gobbledygook.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8E7Ch.89742$2m6....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> LOL... and I admire Michelle too. The man is very charismatic and I'd
>> like
>> to think that he has a shot at being our President, sooner, rather than
>> later.
>>
>> FWIW, I like you too... AND G!
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>> <tc1...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>> news:28265-45D...@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net...
>> Calm down Marsha, Barack is married. Tom in Ct.
>> Re (Marsha L)
>> I had planned on going to see Barack Obama speak at the Government
>> Center and to then catch up with them at MSS. I watched him on
>> television... the man is GOOD.
>> I am SO tired... with any luck, there's a really good night's sleep
>> coming up later tonight...
>> Marsha
>>
> Marsha; You are certainly entitled to your opinion about Barack, but you
> should really consider his policies, his ideas for leading the country and
> if he has the experience to handle the job.
> You are probably a very intelligent woman, but the dumbest think I can
> think
> of, is a person, who wants someone to be president because they are
> "charismatic", a "good talker" or "good looking". Those traits do not
> denote, whether a person is going to make a good president.
> I think Hillary is one, fine looking woman with a very attractive face and
> hairstyle, but even if I was a liberal democrat, I would not vote for her
> because of her looks.
>
> JP
>
>
Big MIkey Always and Forever
Here we go....
Doesn't he just make you sick? So typical of Burt Cohen.
Kishmen touchas, Burt!
BM
"Burt Cohen" <burtc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> JP wrote:
>> "Marsha L" <Those...@gobbledygook.gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:8E7Ch.89742$2m6....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>>LOL... and I admire Michelle too. The man is very charismatic and I'd
>>>like
>>>to think that he has a shot at being our President, sooner, rather than
>>>later.
>>>
>>>FWIW, I like you too... AND G!
>>>
>>>Marsha
>>>
>>><tc1...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>>>news:28265-45D...@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net...
>>>Calm down Marsha, Barack is married. Tom in Ct.
>>>Re (Marsha L)
>>> I had planned on going to see Barack Obama speak at the Government
>>>Center and to then catch up with them at MSS. I watched him on
>>>television... the man is GOOD.
>>>I am SO tired... with any luck, there's a really good night's sleep
>>>coming up later tonight...
>>>Marsha
>>>
>>
>> Marsha; You are certainly entitled to your opinion about Barack, but you
>> should really consider his policies, his ideas for leading the country
>> and
>> if he has the experience to handle the job.
>
> Meanwhile, you have attempted to discredit him by mentioning the spelling
> of his name, his skin color, and his non-existant muslim faith.
>
> -Burt
>
> --
> "You just cannnot do wea r short dresses with no underware and later say
> your reputation was shamed."
>
> -Big Mikey
>
Big MIkey Always and Forever
Coky moon you, Putz!
Typical let's play the self righteous white man, Burt. Go run with Jessie
Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine Walters and the other REAL bigots of this
world.
JP meant no discredit of Osama's race, or religion. YOU did.
Fishstinkina Momsier.. so am I now a Anti Semite, Burt?.
"Burt Cohen" <burtc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> I have no problem with how he spells his name. He does have muslim
>> connections in his family and thats why his name is muslim. Should this
>> discredit him?? This was talked about to a great extent in a recent
>> article
>> on CNN.com and the article itself asked the question.."will this muslim
>> ancestory affect his quest for the presidency?". I suppose the liberal
>> idea
>> is to just keep quiet and hope no one talks about his connection with the
>> muslim world.
>> As for being black, this certainly does not discredit him, if I mention
>> his
>> race. Can he hide the fact that he is black, while people in society
>> question, if he should be president with his limited political
>> experience?
>> Your idea, that no one should mention any variable that might throw cold
>> water on his run for the white house, (race...a muslim family background,
>> whiich he does have) is the whole basis for the invention of political
>> correctness; and PC sucks.
>>
>> JP
>>
>>
> Yes, JP. PC Sucks. But you suck harder.
>
> You tell Marsha to take into account his policies and leadership
> abilities, yet you never discuss those yourself. You only mention the
> other crap under the guise that "other people" might take them into
> consideration.
Big MIkey Always and Forever
Typical, or black?
If I think Obama lacks experience does that make me a typical JEW it saying
it?
I think you are a typical two named hippie son of a flower child. What does
that make me?
I am sure you will just insult me back.
Ain't American great?
Big Mikey
"Steve Harder-Kucera" <st...@no-spam-betterwaywebsites.com> wrote in message
news:jktjt2hle394i7a6k...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:07:05 GMT, "JP" <john...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>When he was in college and just afterwards, he had some typical black
>>views
>>concerning whites,
>
> Do you actually unhinge your jaw when shoving your foot into your
> mouth, or just use the heel of your hand and push really hard?
>
Burt Cohen
> Yeah right....
>
> Coky moon you, Putz!
>
> Typical let's play the self righteous white man, Burt. Go run with Jessie
> Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine Walters and the other REAL bigots of this
> world.
>
> JP meant no discredit of Osama's race, or religion. YOU did.
>
> Fishstinkina Momsier.. so am I now a Anti Semite, Burt?.
No. You're just a stupid loser. As always.
Big MIkey-The One & Only
badblood between me and the "Big Empire"? (And YOU just called em QUEENS?)
Otherwise JP gets the pick of the litter (it might be YOU--but I cant allow
that, buddy) but I want RONSON (and YOU can't allow that.).
BM
MATT: I REALLY WAS NOT PLANNING TO GO BUT IF JP GOES, WE GO...I AM WATCHING
HIS BACK.
"EVIL ELVIS" <hehate...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171848246.8...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 18, 5:43 pm, Pat O'Connell <gyp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm no longer a local, and Albuquerque is pretty far away.
>
> Gosh, Patty-O. Burque isn't THAT far away. It's only an eight hour
> drive or so. Geesh!
>
>> Maybe I'll make it to the Soiree...
>
> There is no "maybe". You must attend. Resistance is fut.... wait,
> that's my Mac line. How about, C'mon, it'll be fun.
>
>
> --EE--
>
>
Big MIkey-The One & Only
Too many bubbles in your Dr Browns, Bert.
You remind me of the whiny litttle cvetch back in Hebrew school selling the
candy bars so you sould go to Jewish Summer camp and sing 'Bim Bam Bim' all
day long.
(But I'm afraid of horses, Daddy!)
Schendrake...
Big Mikey
"Burt Cohen" <burtc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Big MIkey-The One & Only
agrees with their viewpoint.
I read Obama's book too. A good read, but so is Cultural Warrior. I read
from all sources. I listen to Air America and NPR (aka little Air America)
and the BBC (aka little Air America-Great Britain). I seldom agree with
them but I defend their right to their opinion no matter how 'typically
British', typically 'liberal' or 'typically stupid' it is.
I have not formed an opinion on Obama yet, however his short term of office
in the US Senate makes me feel he is not yet qualified to be POTUS. And his
view are indeed somewhat from a black man's perspective. Does that
statement make me racist? When it comes to Israel, there is no compromise
anymore with me. The Arabs can go fuck themselves. Do I hate Muslims? No.
I hate anyone with radical anti American/Anti Jewish views.
Does that make me a typical JEW? Gosh I hope so!
Just for the record, I DID NOT OWN SLAVES, nor did my family), I DID NOT
HOLD BLACK THE BLACK MAN, AND I NEVER WAS A RACIST.
I did have family killed in the Holocaust. I had family chased to America
by the Czar, and also had my family suffer anti Semites (from stupid
people). My grandfather worked for the WHITE MAN too. But I rose to the
Amercian dream by educating myself and wroking hard.
Everyone in America cleans the toilets FIRST. Enough of this "I am a
victim' shit.
Oh by the way, one sister in law is Filipino and the other is a damn
Mexican. Guess their kids are all half breeds too. By the way, my Mexican
sister in law does not speak a word of Spanish. I guess she is ashamed of
being an American of Mexican decent (3 generations ago.)
Knock off the crap everyone....
Big Mikey
"JP" <john...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Marsha L" <Those...@gobbledygook.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sqlCh.96716$2m6....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> "Burt Cohen" <burtc...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:9ykCh.4037$tD2....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >
>> > Meanwhile, you have attempted to discredit him by mentioning the
> spelling
>> > of his name, his skin color, and his non-existent muslim faith.
>> >
>> > -Burt
>>
>> Burt... there are people whose posts are best left unread.
>
>
> I have to assume, that posts, which do not agree with your viewpoint and
> which do not toe the liberal agenda, are best left unread.
>
> Just remember..a sharp insurance salesman with charisma and a slick tongue
> can sell you insurance, that turns out to be unneeded.
>
> Gee...I thought everyone had the right to a different opinion of a
> presidential candidate. guess not marsha.
>
> JP
>
>> Regarding Barack Obama, I've seen him make several television appearances
>> since he gained national attention following his speech at the last
>> Democratic Presidential convention. I've read both of his books and found
>> myself wanting to stand up and cheer repeatedly. So when I discovered
>> that
>> he was going to be here, and I had a chance to go see him, I wanted to do
>> so... NOW... because I hope that it will be increasingly difficult to get
> a
>> ticket to do so in the future.
>>
>> I believe that the very things that make him "different" are the ones
>> that
>> may well make him be our best choice in '08.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Big MIkey-The One & Only
DD
***********************************
Why should he answer you, DD?
You won't listen. You already insulted him.
Are you a 'typical liberal' as Ann Coulter suggests? Or is she an idiot
too? Well of course she is! She doesn't agree with you! Isn't free speech
a bitch?. Oops, now I just insulted Donna... or did I? Or is Marsha a
nice person for a woman?
Big Mikey
"DocDice" <steve_j...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1171907321....@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> {SNIP} > Marsha; You are certainly entitled to your opinion about
> Barack, but you
>
>
> How do you define a liberal, JP. Do you define a liberal as someone to
> adds to the deficit OR is one dfined as a liberal only if they add to
> the deficit in ways that you do not agree with?
>
> Give us a clue, if you have one?
>
> DD
>
Big MIkey-The One & Only
Arn't you a blond too?
BM
"Marsha L" <Those...@gobbledygook.gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Burt Cohen" <burtc...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:9ykCh.4037$tD2....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> Meanwhile, you have attempted to discredit him by mentioning the spelling
>> of his name, his skin color, and his non-existent muslim faith.
>>
>> -Burt
>
> Burt... there are people whose posts are best left unread.
>
Burt Cohen
> So typical "Burt Cohen"...
>
> Too many bubbles in your Dr Browns, Bert.
>
> You remind me of the whiny litttle cvetch back in Hebrew school selling the
> candy bars so you sould go to Jewish Summer camp and sing 'Bim Bam Bim' all
> day long.
>
> (But I'm afraid of horses, Daddy!)
>
> Schendrake...
>
> Big Mikey
I'm not Jewish, so please spare me the botched Yiddish - schmuck.
Andrew in Alabama
'splain EVERYTHING to your dumn ass????
>So typical "Burt Cohen"...
>
>Too many bubbles in your Dr Browns, Bert.
>
>You remind me of the whiny litttle cvetch back in Hebrew school selling the
>candy bars so you sould go to Jewish Summer camp and sing 'Bim Bam Bim' all
>day long.
>
>(But I'm afraid of horses, Daddy!)
>
>Schendrake...
A simple "Whoosh" seems so inadequate here.
fx...@nospamverizon.net
Numbnuts claims to have gone to 'Hebrew School' but somehow we get
'cvetch' (sic) out of him. What a dumbass. I know the correct spelling
and I ain't even Jewish...
Denny in Mass
JP
news:39lot2d3fom14t89q...@4ax.com...
> Damb, "JP" <john...@verizon.net>, do I have to 'splain EVERYTHING to
> your dumn ass????
>
>
> >WHY WORK???? Someone else is going to do the work for me, just so they
can
> >pay me for being lazy. Happens every month.
>
> Fixed your post, John Payton.
>
> --
>
> Andrew <-- is it JOONE yet?
>
>
ARE retarded."
>
> "Andrew " at Red Rock buffet 2/18/2007
Thanks andrew. I appreciate the free editing.
I returned the favor.
JP
Big MIkey-The One & Only
You trash the use of a great LV name, don't post a pictrue and act like
another coward behind a computer.
So now we know you not Jeiwsh, let's call you for what you really are, a
dumb, lonely, shagitz.
Big MIkey
...
"Burt Cohen" <burtc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Big MIkey-The One & Only
Big MIkey
"Andrew in Alabama" <andr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Big MIkey-The One & Only
YOU??? A NAZI?
Now that was funny.....
Big MIkey
"ChuckK" <no...@nohow.com> wrote in message
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> In article <xg3Dh.16265$tQ.6740@trndny07>, fx...@NOSPAMverizon.net
> says...
>
>> Numbnuts claims to have gone to 'Hebrew School' but somehow we get
>> 'cvetch' (sic) out of him. What a dumbass. I know the correct spelling
>> and I ain't even Jewish...
>> Denny in Mass
>
> Denny,
>
> As a former Hebrew school alumnus, I can safely say that of the TWO
> Hebrew words PUSSY masarsky ATTEMPTED to use in his rant against
> Burt, he got BOTH of them WRONG!
>
> Who'da thunk it?
>
> Whatta JEW he AIN'T!
>
> All that kvetching and the stupid Schmendrick still managed to fuck
> it up. Whatta PUTZ!
>
> Chuck
Big MIkey-The One & Only
Juat a few years ago Ellen GEneres was personal non grada in the business
for delaring her omosexuality. Sunday she hosts the Academy Awards.
Geroge Bush appoints the most racially dicvorse cabinet in US Hitory. But
takes flack for calling Obama articulate.
"Steve Harder-Kucera" <st...@no-spam-betterwaywebsites.com> wrote in message
news:dn6kt212oaisk03nv...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:41:13 GMT, "JP" <john...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>What's wrong steve? Afraid to talk about the things, the PC people want to
>>keep silent?
>
> Not afraid at all.
>
>>BTW..there are many blacks, who feel for one reason or
>>another, that since their ancestors were slaves 160 years ago, that white
>>society owes them something. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, if
>>Obama
>>has the same attitude.
>
> Now you qualify it by saying "many blacks". That's a pretty fast
> reversal from your earlier labeling of same as "the typical black
> view".
>
> You can type 1000 words telling us that you're not a bigot. Funny how
> it only takes about 6 to show us otherwise.
>
>>We owe them nothing. People alive today did not own slaves...we did not
>>run
>>plantations...we had nothing to do with the bad situation, that their
>>ancestors were subjected to.
>
>>All white society owes them .....
>
> Who is this "We" you refer to. And tell me more about this "White
> Society".....
>
> And why go all the way back to the days of slavery to make your little
> points. I'm a fairly young guy, born in 1962. Racial discrimination
> was legal in my lifetime. This is not ancient history.
>
> http://www.infoplease.com/spot/civilrightstimeline1.html
Big MIkey-The One & Only
in lockerrooms sniffing each others crap all day?
I remember the Civil Rights movement too. And I was a part of it from
working on my first election putting up posters for Bobby Kennedy in '68 (I
was 14) and seeing him at LA Valley College a week before he was killed to
Jerry Brown and George McGovern to working my ass off for Jimmy Carter in
Florida Gerogia and Alabama. I have walked the walk and talked the talk for
Civil Rights.
And I can remember when Bill Cosby was considered a radical! Now he talks
truth and gets SLAMMED for it.
Civil Rights laws are a SHIELD NOT A SWORD. There is a big difference
between 1962 and 2007. Ask your best friend Elmer in Alabama. Ask my buddy
former Gov. Ronnie Musgrove of Mississippi, Ask Bill Clinton and Jimmy
Carter.
Do we have bigots in this country?. Sure we do. But JP is not one of them.
The answer to black. white, yellow or brown SHK is education, hard woek and
GUTS! My former business partner is a black man and he made a lot more
money than I ever did. But he didn't have time to deal with racism. He got
past it. His deeply religious convictions kept him going. And when we eat
dinner he still says grace.
Imagine that, a fat Jewish man sitting down to dinner with a skinny black
man and him picking up the check?
And doing it at a Dennys!
We have come a very long way in America. LAs Vegas was a bastion of
racism-today more women, blacks and hispanics are in poiltics than ever.
And let's not forget that crazy Jew as Mayor. (Persnally I am getting tired
of Oscar....)
Get off the high horses and cut the crap guys....
Big MIkey
.
But I guess people like Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Sammy Davis Jr., and
Bill Cosby are just Oreo cookies.
"Octopus Ride" <fakea...@anyisp.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve Harder-Kucera" <st...@no-spam-betterwaywebsites.com> wrote in
> message news:dn6kt212oaisk03nv...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:41:13 GMT, "JP" <john...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>>What's wrong steve? Afraid to talk about the things, the PC people want
>>>to
>>>keep silent?
>
>> Not afraid at all.
>
>>>BTW..there are many blacks, who feel for one reason or
>>>another, that since their ancestors were slaves 160 years ago, that white
>>>society owes them something. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, if
>>>Obama
>>>has the same attitude.
>
>> Now you qualify it by saying "many blacks". That's a pretty fast
>> reversal from your earlier labeling of same as "the typical black
>> view".
>
> There are blacks who feel this way, but of course its hardly "typical".
>
> Just as there are some old white guys scamming Social Security and who
> have brains the size of peanuts. There are white people like this, but
> its hardly typical.
>
> Why Barack Obama would be one of these blacks who feel society owes them
> something because their ancestors were slaves I have no idea; especially
> considering the fact that no one in his family was ever a slave. Obama
> is being criticized by some blacks for not being black enough, for
> supposedly not being able to understand the American black experience
> because his father was an actual African from Africa and all of whose
> ancestors were Africans who lived in Africa and not sold into slavery.
>
> He's a biracial guy who was raised by a white family in Hawaii, for
> crissakes. He is not a descendant of slaves.
>
>> You can type 1000 words telling us that you're not a bigot. Funny how
>> it only takes about 6 to show us otherwise.
>
>>>We owe them nothing. People alive today did not own slaves...we did not
>>>run
>>>plantations...we had nothing to do with the bad situation, that their
>>>ancestors were subjected to.
>
> And this has what to do with the son of an African man and a white woman
> from Kansas?
>
> Obama could be one of those members of white society who believes that
> slave reparations make no sense. He certainly isn't in favor of them,
> that being an issue that comes up in Chicago from time to time.
>
>>>All white society owes them .....
>
> You're the one collecting something for nothing from society out of a
> sense of entitlement. Obama has a job!
>
> And you're ripping off whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, gays, lesbians,
> native Americans, and mixtures of all of the above. Your sense of
> entitlement knows no bounds.
>
>> Who is this "We" you refer to. And tell me more about this "White
>> Society".....
>
> The hardly typical, peanut brained, welfare scamming, entitled white trash
> society to which he belongs?
>
>> And why go all the way back to the days of slavery to make your little
>> points. I'm a fairly young guy, born in 1962. Racial discrimination
>> was legal in my lifetime. This is not ancient history.
>>
>> http://www.infoplease.com/spot/civilrightstimeline1.html
>
> I remember when white welfare scammers with a peanut sized brain and a
> sense of entitlement were scorned.
>
> Maybe its time to bring that back. We can start with separate but equal
> public accomodations, with the occasional public firehosing to clean off
> the stink.
>
> OR
>
Big MIkey-The One & Only
I remember the many gigs SHK has had. Despite pissing up my ass every
chance he gets, NOBODY showed up as his biggest gig either.
I will give SHK credit. At the last Soirre we argued again (and again and
again) But Steve does have balls. I don't like Steve, and he doesn't like
me. But I have no beef with him outside of his political opinions or what
he writes on AVLV. He sings like a nutured cat but strums one hell of a
banjo.And he has a nice wife.
But Denny, DH and especially TR are the biggest pussies around. Andrew may
hit you with his briefcase but my guess he was also the coward of the
county. All tough guys who behind their keyboards. And maybe even together
they my act tough, but pussies individually. I really don't have any beef
with Matt either.other than he has lousy friends. Nor did I even plan to go
to the Soiree.
But enough of this shit. Peyton's and Strevel's privacy invaded. My
privacy invaded. Time to settle this. Who the fuck do you think you are?
See ya in June. You can bet on it.
Big Mikey
<fx...@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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> Just got my cyber-taunt from Donna, BR and Andrew who are sitting at the
> MSS bar and having way too much fun. Steve H-K was apparently there
> earlier but NO OTHER locals showed up! What's up with that? Is everyone
> washing their hair?
> Denny in Mass
>
fx...@nospamverizon.net
Denny in Mass
Big MIkey-The One & Only
But by that definition, Gregg, Hartaway is....
And Charles Barkley, as a black man, who also played in the NBA is ashamed
of him.
Bu I guess that is just a 'typical black man's' opinion of another. Least
Charles didn't say, "Are you crazy, nigger?"
They say that to each other all the time, don't you know.
Big MIkey
"Gregg Cattanach" <rl31...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> JP wrote:
>> A bigot means I feel superior to another race.
>
> Wrong. That's racism.
>
> You challenged other that they don't know the definitions of racism and
> bigotry, maybe these will help YOU finally get it straight.
>
> big·ot·ry (bigĆĂ tr ), n., pl. -ries.
> 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion
> that differs from one's own.
> 2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.
>
> prej·u·dice (prejĆĂ dis), n., v., -diced, -dic·ing.
> -n.
> 1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without
> knowledge, thought, or reason.
> 2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
> 3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile
> nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
>
> rac·ism (r?Ćsiz Ăm), n.
> 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human
> races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the
> idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
> 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a
> doctrine; discrimination.
> 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
>
> --
> Gregg C.
>
tom ronson
> especially TR are the biggest pussies around.
you wouldn't say that to my face --- and you've established you're the
aggressor so, and as I said the other day, you've given me a freebie. My
suggestion? stay away from places you aren't wanted. (which is everyplace)
> But enough of this shit. Peyton's and Strevel's privacy invaded. My
> privacy invaded. Time to settle this. Who the fuck do you think you are?
who the fuck do you think you are? in case you don't know you come
across as a boorish piece of shit who is so insecure that you act like a
7 year old. That's the best possible light ANYONE could shine on you.
So back the fuck up before you get hurt. I'm not fucking with you
jackass --- you don't want to start this cause you will not win. Even
with the retard Strebel and the cripple Plankton "covering your back"
you don't stand a chance in hell.
> See ya in June. You can bet on it.
I'm tell you right now, as Matt did yesterday --- don't do it. You will
regret any move you might try to make.
Understand? Now shut the fuck up and go sit in the corner.
You have now been warned by "the biggest pussy".
--tr
Steve Harder-Kucera
<madscr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Even
>with the retard Strebel and the cripple Plankton "covering your back"
>you don't stand a chance in hell.
Do they still "Eat and Ride?"
tom ronson
> Do they still "Eat and Ride?"
good question --- which I can only assume the answer is yes, at least
gandering at a photo of Masarsky.
--tr
Big MIkey-The One & Only
You better watch your back tr or you will learn the beaning of 'butt
sex".
tom ronson
> ......since PUSSY masarsky is an EXPERT on the "beaning of 'butt
> sex".
since I don't swing that way I'm assuming that "beaning" is some sort of
homosexual act --- not that there's anything wrong with that.
We should all give "Big Mikey" credit for finally stepping out of the
closet ---- as he's displayed this week with his constant posts of
man-on-man sex.
Way to go Mikey --- accepting your roll as mankind's bitch probably
wasn't easy, but now that you've done it you'll feel more relaxed.
--tr
Andrew In Alabama
EVERYTHING to your dumn ass????
>Way to go Mikey --- accepting your roll as mankind's bitch probably
>wasn't easy, but now that you've done it you'll feel more relaxed.
Sig-worthy, despite the typo.
--
Andrew <-- is it JOONE yet?
"Norm, I realize that Thomas is a fine gentleman, and speaks very good
German. Probobly better than I do."
- Don Strevel commenting on German native and resident Thomas W. in AVLV.
tom ronson
> despite the typo.
at least typo isn't plural this time. <grin>
--tr
tom ronson
> Considering the revelation of PUSSY masarsky's sexual dysfunction
> problem (as if having NO BALLS due to a genetic defect which rendered
> him a EUNUCH can be quantified as a "sexual dysfunction"), he's
> definitely a "catcher" for the other side...... but yeah... I guess
> that makes him a "bitch".
that's what I'm saying --- Now this is unconfirmed mind you but I heard
he made $20 selling "it" last night on the streets of Compton. Charged
'em all 25 cent from what I'd heard. He was happy though --- and armful
of Yahoo! chocolate drinks and TWO boxes of Ho' Ho's was all the comfort
food he needed to get over it all. Heck, he even had enough change left
over and bought him one of those tree air freshener things for the Toyota.
Remember, that's just what I'd heard.
--tr