Monte Carlo on fire...
tom ronson
fire. It looks like it's taking off pretty good.
--tr
tom ronson
11:17 update ---
looks like it's taking off --- the roof fire has expanded to lower
floors -- flaming debris falling from roof landing on overhands and
starting new fires. Also flaming debris falling onto the casino roof.
http://www.klas-tv.com/ is streaming their on-air coverage.
--tr
dr. Baf
Coming out of the Palms, noticed heavy black smoke in the sky.
By the time I got home (11:25 pst) top three floors, center core
facing south towards Mandaly Bay, this appears to be serious.
dr. Baf
tom ronson
> this appears to be serious.
indeed it does --- it just keeps spreading.
--tr
Ace
>
> --tr
Oh man I just turned on the TV and am watching live footage. Major
sever fire on the south side (I-15 side) of the roof taking out the
"Monte Carlo" logo. Also four or five floors down from the roof. It's
completely out of control, spreading rapidly. I can see the smoke
billowing from outside.
A*
traveler
Hope they save the brewpub! This will be terrible if it goes, and gets
replaced by another megamonster.
Rowlf
"tom ronson" <madscr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> at 11:06 the roof and part of the top floor of the Monte Carlo is on fire.
> It looks like it's taking off pretty good.
>
> --tr
Damn! It's a huge fire. Sadly reminds me of the MGM fire. I hope people
can get out of there unharmed.
Check out live video here:
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=7774764
--
Rowlf the Dog
"You think you've had it bad? For the first three months of my life there
was a newspaper strike!"
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tom ronson
update --- 11:37
fire still spreading --- firefighters on site knocking down flames from
rooftop positions. Top floor fully engulfed in area of fire.
--tr
Ace
It's a really good thing it's not windy like yesterday. Getting pretty
cloudy though, hopefully I'll start raining.
Hope everyone got evacuated, which should be the case since it started
on the roof and no firefighters get hurt. They're on the roof fighting
it, which is extremely dangerous.
A*
tom ronson
11:43 update....
NYNY being evacuated. And I'm not sure why, the MGM.
firefighters knocking down fires on the front of the building.
--tr
CLM in ND
I just saw a pic online, the middle of the hotel is a charred, gaping
hole on the top few floors; really a nasty looking scene. I can't get
any video of it here at work due to my company having most web video
blocked.
Cameron
tom ronson
> And I'm not sure why, the MGM.
okay --- the news got confused --- they're sending evacuees to MGM.
--tr
Doctor Bob
newsfe14.phx>, tom ronson <madscr...@yahoo.com> wrote
F**King Awesome!! 19:40pm in the UK
I hope that it isn't too bad when it is all sorted.
Dr Bob.
--
My memory's not as sharp as it used to be,
and another thing my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.
tom ronson
> and no firefighters get hurt.
you see 'em hanging out of the windows with hoses? Damn.
--tr
Roger Buttsnort
it took 30 minutes before ANY fire-fighting action was observed!!
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Roger Buttsnort
For people with a scanner...159.180Mhz is the channel for Metro's Command
post
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Roger Buttsnort
Live video on WWW.KNTV.COM
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CLM in ND
tom ronson
> For people with a scanner...159.180Mhz is the channel for Metro's Command
> post
thanks!!
--tr
Octopus Ride
11:48 update:
Cameron makes first post about turning Monte Carlo into his fantasy hotel.
11:49:
Cameron makes 2nd post about same
11:50
3 unfunny replies appear
11:51
Cameron is drunk again and makes 3rd post about fantasy hotel.
11:52
Thread is retitled "Tired Routine Redux"
OR
Octopus Ride
> Ace wrote:
>
>
>> and no firefighters get hurt.
> you see 'em hanging out of the windows with hoses? Damn.
I used to do that on road trips in college.
OR
flip
looks bad. They say that no one is in danger.
--flip,
Ace
Yeah, I'm watching that right now. Incredible. Looks to me like this
may all be exterior facade that's burning, rather than the interior
being gutted - hopefully.
A*
flip
> Yeah, I'm watching that right now. Incredible. Looks to me like this
> may all be exterior facade that's burning, rather than the interior
> being gutted - hopefully.
>
> A*
>
concrete isn't it?
--flip,
Octopus Ride
tom ronson
> Yeah, I'm watching that right now. Incredible. Looks to me like this
> may all be exterior facade that's burning, rather than the interior
> being gutted - hopefully.
looks like they're getting the upper hand --- most of the flame knocked
down. Think there's some of the rooms on the top floor that got toasted.
--tr
Rowlf
I think they've been using a kind of stucco for the last couple decades.
This stuff IS flammable. Wow.
tom ronson
> Foam.
hence the black smoke.
--tr
Ace
It's most likely stucco covered foam molding. The smoke is really
black and sooty.
A*
Jim n Aaska
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Ace
> "flip" <f...@nospam.com> wrote in message
This is one of those BWHAHAHAHA moments. In a normal city it'd be
concrete. But in Vegas...
A*
EVIL ELVIS
> looks like it's taking off --- the roof fire has expanded to lower
> floors -- flaming debris falling from roof landing on overhands and
> starting new fires. Also flaming debris falling onto the casino roof.
>
> http://www.klas-tv.com/is streaming their on-air coverage.
I told you not to smoke up there, Ronson!
--EE--
tom ronson
> at 11:06 the roof and part of the top floor of the Monte Carlo is on
>
> --tr
12:10 update.....
most of the visible flame is gone, smoke is greatly reduced and with the
exception of a few hot spots it appears as though FD LV is winning this one.
--tr
tom ronson
> I told you not to smoke up there, Ronson!
ya, well --- I needed a cigi. <grin>
reports of welders on the roof prior to fire outbreak.
I suspect that foam siding will soon be talked about in great detail.
channel 13 just had a guest of the MC on who said he never heard an evac
order, he's glad he took it upon himself to leave the place.
--tr
Roger Buttsnort
The guest is a fire-fighter. he says the alarm went off, it said
"Investigating" and it never said to evacuate....great system!
Ace
Looks to me like there is solid concrete behind the foam molding, so
I'm guessing the damage is only going to be skin deep so to speak.
Sure was burning fast and furious for a while though.
A*
Tio Pedro
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A*
They need better fire codes!!!!
tom ronson
> The guest is a fire-fighter. he says the alarm went off, it said
> "Investigating" and it never said to evacuate....great system!
the best money can buy ---- out of the trunk of Billy's Fire Supplies Inc.
--tr
Ace
> EVIL ELVIS wrote:
> > I told you not to smoke up there, Ronson!
>
> ya, well --- I needed a cigi. <grin>
>
> reports of welders on the roof prior to fire outbreak.
>
> I suspect that foam siding will soon be talked about in great detail.
It looks like a giant burnt marshmallow.
A*
tom ronson
it sure was ---- pretty scary stuff. Wonder how long it'll take before
foam starts getting scrapped off buildings?
they're releasing fire units now, 12:22 pm.
--tr
tom ronson
> It looks like a giant burnt marshmallow.
mmmmmm ---- burnt marshmallow.
--tr
EVIL ELVIS
> Hope they save the brewpub! This will be terrible if it goes, and gets
> replaced by another megamonster.
The 'brewpub' hasn't been a 'brewpub' for a while now. AFAIC, the
whole damn hotel can burn down.
--EE--
Ace
Especially since it's next to NYNY, which must have a 90% foam
exterior.
A*
lzcutter
http://classiclasvegas.squarespace.com/classic-las-vegas-blog/
tom ronson
> at 11:06 the roof and part of the top floor of the Monte Carlo is on
> fire. It looks like it's taking off pretty good.
>
> --tr
12:39 update.....
at a news conf the FD LV spokesperson said that there were no injuries
or structural damage, beyond the burnt foam. The worst is clearly over
and the radio chatter on the command channel is down to nearly nothing.
MGM said they'd put affected gusts in sister properties.
Ronoson over 'n out.
--tr
Tio Pedro
A*
Or Caesars, which must be 100% foam inside and out!
Some of those interior marble walls are undoubtably foam based.
tom ronson
> Or Caesars, which must be 100% foam inside and out!
if it ain't glass and steel it's foam --- lots of properties fall into
this category.
Singlemalt
> at 11:06 the roof and part of the top floor of the Monte Carlo is on
> fire. It looks like it's taking off pretty good.
>
> --tr
The roof
The roof
The roof is on fire!
Singlemalt
EVIL ELVIS
> Roger Buttsnort wrote:
> > For people with a scanner...159.180Mhz is the channel for Metro's Command
> > post
>
> thanks!!
http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=13701
--EE--
lasvegas
--
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Corey
Re: Re: Monte Carlo on fire...
By: Ace to alt.vacation.las-vegas on Fri Jan 25 2008 11:34 am
> On Jan 25, 11:19=A0am, tom ronson <madscribe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > tom ronson wrote:
> > > at 11:06 the roof and part of the top floor of the Monte Carlo is on
> > > fire. It looks like it's taking off pretty good.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 --tr
> >
> > 11:17 update ---
> >
> > looks like it's taking off --- the roof fire has expanded to lower
> > floors -- flaming debris falling from roof landing on overhands and
> > starting new fires. Also flaming debris falling onto the casino roof.
> >
> > http://www.klas-tv.com/is streaming their on-air coverage.
> >
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --tr
>
> Oh man I just turned on the TV and am watching live footage. Major
> sever fire on the south side (I-15 side) of the roof taking out the
> "Monte Carlo" logo. Also four or five floors down from the roof. It's
> completely out of control, spreading rapidly. I can see the smoke
> billowing from outside.
>
> A*
wow, so now the Monte Carlo will soon half rooms half off, literally.
John in Mass
news:fndefi$7pf$1...@aioe.org...
>
> it took 30 minutes before ANY fire-fighting action was observed!!
>
>
> "CLM in ND" <cama...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:49089e5b-96ed-433f...@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 25, 1:07 pm, tom ronson <madscribe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > at 11:06 the roof and part of the top floor of the Monte Carlo is on
> > fire. It looks like it's taking off pretty good.
> >
>
> I just saw a pic online, the middle of the hotel is a charred, gaping
> hole on the top few floors; really a nasty looking scene. I can't get
> any video of it here at work due to my company having most web video
> blocked.
>
> Cameron
>
The elevators are probably programmed to go to the 1st floor and stay there
during a fire. Maybe the firemen had to walk up to the roof?
That is why it took time. Why the big concern over 30 minutes?
John/Mass
sinistersteve
told to do so??
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EVIL ELVIS
> Wow, are people so stupid that they don't leave a flaming building unless
> told to do so??
You'd be surprised.
--EE--
EVIL ELVIS
> it took 30 minutes before ANY fire-fighting action was observed!!
Well, yeah. It takes time. You just don't rush up to a burning
building without a plan. You have to form a strategy and use
tactics. It takes time to get people out, get your gear, get to the
fire, charge the hoses, set up the vehicles, calculate adequate water
pressure, etc.
Unless you'd like some dead firefighters as well as an even more
uncontrollable fire.
--EE--
EVIL ELVIS
> The elevators are probably programmed to go to the 1st floor and stay there
> during a fire.
I'm not too sure about that, John. Some elevators may be programmed,
but I really do not know what the rules are in Vegas/Clark County or
the casinos.
> Maybe the firemen had to walk up to the roof? That is why it took time.
Firefighters would not walk from the first floor to the roof. It
would kill them in the process and those that did survive the
exhausting walk would not have enough air in their tanks by the time
they reach the top.
The most likely strategy would be to use the emergency fire key in the
elevator, take it to a floor or 2 below where the main fire is and go
from there. You would have to rescue people on the fire floor first,
then any floor above, then the rest.
> Why the big concern over 30 minutes?
I dunno why people are so concerned about a 30 minute response, if
that's even true at all. It's not like there's a fire department
inside the Monte Carlo. These things take time and planning. It's
not as simple as one would think. You just don't go and run to a fire
without a plan.
Personally, I think 30 minutes is pretty good timing.
--EE--
sinistersteve
a single person left....other than myself.
/guess I looked like an idiot.
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Corey
Re: Re: Monte Carlo on fire...
you have to stop the booze and food flow to make people leave a place.
Kurt Ullman
<9d737b8c-7e8c-4544...@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
EVIL ELVIS <hehate...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 3:16 pm, "John in Mass" <john5...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > The elevators are probably programmed to go to the 1st floor and stay there
> > during a fire.
>
> I'm not too sure about that, John. Some elevators may be programmed,
> but I really do not know what the rules are in Vegas/Clark County or
> the casinos.
>
It is pretty standard code that ALL elevators go to the first floor
whenever the fire alarm is triggered. Two reasons, one is that most of
the elevator call buttons are activated by heat (usually the heat of
your finger) so the heat of the fire would cause the doors to open on
the floor that has fire. Not a good thing. So they go to the bottom
floors so the errant civilian can't inadvertantly fry themselves.
The other is so that the firefighters can use it (with the
appropriate key). What happens next can vary according to specific
protocols of the Department, but a good rule of thumb is that they stop
5-6 floors below the fire so the doors don't open on the fire floor by
mistake. This is also often the staging area.
> I dunno why people are so concerned about a 30 minute response, if
> that's even true at all. It's not like there's a fire department
> inside the Monte Carlo. These things take time and planning. It's
> not as simple as one would think. You just don't go and run to a fire
> without a plan.
>
> Personally, I think 30 minutes is pretty good timing.
>
>
> --EE--
Can't speak to the 30 minutes, other than it seems WAY long. The
concern is that the longer it takes to get water on the fire, the more
it has grown. When I was still involved, we were taught that fire
doubles in size about every minute (until of course the available fuel,
oxygen, chemical reaction makes it to some kind of equilibrium).
CyßerHoGŽ
> at 11:06 the roof and part of the top floor of the Monte Carlo is on fire.
> It looks like it's taking off pretty good.
>
> --tr
Wow!
Thanks for the breaking news!
Who'd a thunk anyone would find the FIRST report of this fire here on AVLV??
Just goes to show TR is THE local you just gotta know!
CLM in ND
CyßerHoGŽ wrote:
Yeah, he had it before it was on Google News. I know because I checked
it as soon as he posted it.
Cameron
EVIL ELVIS
Kurt! Where ya been???!!!
> It is pretty standard code that ALL elevators go to the first floor
> whenever the fire alarm is triggered. Two reasons, one is that most of
> the elevator call buttons are activated by heat (usually the heat of
> your finger) so the heat of the fire would cause the doors to open on
> the floor that has fire. Not a good thing. So they go to the bottom
> floors so the errant civilian can't inadvertantly fry themselves.
Well, that's a relief.
> The other is so that the firefighters can use it (with the
> appropriate key). What happens next can vary according to specific
> protocols of the Department, but a good rule of thumb is that they stop
> 5-6 floors below the fire so the doors don't open on the fire floor by
> mistake. This is also often the staging area.
Yep. Although I have been trained to stop at least a floor or 2 from
the fire floor.
> Can't speak to the 30 minutes, other than it seems WAY long. The
> concern is that the longer it takes to get water on the fire, the more
> it has grown. When I was still involved, we were taught that fire
> doubles in size about every minute (until of course the available fuel,
> oxygen, chemical reaction makes it to some kind of equilibrium).
Talk about chemicals, I wonder what kind of toxicity that smoke
released into the air?
Were you ever in the fire service?
--EE--
CyßerHoGŽ
No shit! My sentiments exactly!
CyßerHoGŽ
And to think I was down on the locals in this group.
My bad.
EVIL ELVIS
wrote:
> No shit! My sentiments exactly!
Did Kurt meet the "60-Day Rule"?
--EE--
tom ronson
> And to think I was down on the locals in this group.
why so? we got Ace*, Dr. Baf, DonkeyDode, Mr Buttsnort -- I presume,
SHK, just to name a few. and we certainly don't count the obnoxious
Toyota driver as a local -- which is how everyone else handles him.
> My bad.
I'll say. That's one in the time I've read your stuff, what, 3 or 4
years now.
so shape up, mister. <grin>
--tr
Kurt Ullman
<d72f96d2-0618-48f1...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
EVIL ELVIS <hehate...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 8:19 pm, Kurt Ullman <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Kurt! Where ya been???!!!
Been swamped with work. Thought this would be a good time to
resubscribe for awhile.
>
>
> Yep. Although I have been trained to stop at least a floor or 2 from
> the fire floor.
As I said it sorta depends on the department and the level of
paranoia of the safety officers.
>
> > Can't speak to the 30 minutes, other than it seems WAY long. The
> > concern is that the longer it takes to get water on the fire, the more
> > it has grown. When I was still involved, we were taught that fire
> > doubles in size about every minute (until of course the available fuel,
> > oxygen, chemical reaction makes it to some kind of equilibrium).
>
> Talk about chemicals, I wonder what kind of toxicity that smoke
> released into the air?
>
All sorts of nasty stuff. Especially the foam.
> Were you ever in the fire service?
>
Did fire investigations for about 9 years in the late 70s to
mid-80s. Proud alumnus of the National Fire Academy.
BOB
> In article
> <d72f96d2-0618-48f1-90d9-b0cb5ff3e...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> EVIL ELVIS <hehatemeto...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 25, 8:19 pm, Kurt Ullman <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Kurt! Where ya been???!!!
>
> Been swamped with work. Thought this would be a good time to
> resubscribe for awhile.
>
Good to see you, Kurt. Hope you stick around.
BOB
> at 11:06 the roof and part of the top floor of the Monte Carlo is on
> fire. It looks like it's taking off pretty good.
>
> --tr
Great scoop, tr.
BOB
Don't forget Bill the Bartender. :) I guess you real locals are okay,
well, except for Ace*. He's special.
Great job, tr.
CyßerHoGŽ
On Jan 25, 10:11 pm, "CyßerHoGŽ" <cyber...@hanginwiththehogs.com>
wrote:
> No shit! My sentiments exactly!
Did Kurt meet the "60-Day Rule"?
--EE--
Heck, he blew right past 60 days. He was AWOL longer than norm was.
For those keeping track, Mr Berman's at 41 days as of today; Chuck K is at
85 so he's officially feared dead.
CyßerHoGŽ
> CyßerHoGŽ wrote:
>
>> And to think I was down on the locals in this group.
>
> why so? we got Ace*, Dr. Baf, DonkeyDode, Mr Buttsnort -- I presume, SHK,
> just to name a few. and we certainly don't count the obnoxious Toyota
> driver as a local -- which is how everyone else handles him.
>
Yeah, isn't that just typical; focusing on the negative and not realizing
the positive. A pity this fine group of folks got lumped together in my
assessment with the Strevels and the Masarkys.
>> My bad.
>
> I'll say. That's one in the time I've read your stuff, what, 3 or 4 years
> now.
>
> so shape up, mister. <grin>
>
> --tr
My Commitment To Excellence shall commence today.
BOB
wrote:
>
> My Commitment To Excellence shall commence today.
Atta Boy.
tom ronson
> Don't forget Bill the Bartender. :)
ohhhhhh boy; I'll let you deal with that one. lol
> I guess you real locals are okay,
> well, except for Ace*. He's special.
isn't he? He's been voted the most "special" by the RJ poll 7 years in a
row! Voting for this year's awards is ongoing now --- lets see if we can
help Ace* hold onto the title, shall we?
> Great job, tr.
not really, but thanks for letting me fool you. ;)
--tr
tom ronson
> Yeah, isn't that just typical; focusing on the negative and not realizing
> the positive.
hey, that's my shtick, Hog --- it's a job that I'm more suited to than you.
> A pity this fine group of folks got lumped together in my
> assessment with the Strevels and the Masarkys.
but they're not locals --- and Strebel's so busy with his male gay porn
he's not been through here in ages.
> My Commitment To Excellence shall commence today.
you're Excellence shines through with each and every post, Hog --- not
to worry.
--tr
Andrew In Alabama
EVERYTHING to your dumn ass????
>Strebel's so busy with his male gay porn
>he's not been through here in ages.
Speaking of which, there are changes at mysecretvegas.
I can't really tell for sure, but it looks like a poor man's Ronald
McDonald drinking through a straw.
HOT.
--
Andrew <-- a noodly appendage of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
"I don't know anyone in maine"
"I only know about 4 people who live in maine"
-- "John Payton," in posts made two hours and 52 minutes apart on AVLV
tom ronson
> I can't really tell for sure, but it looks like a poor man's Ronald
> McDonald drinking through a straw.
I was -really- afraid to take a look, considering the promised content
and your description here, but damn --- you're spot on.
> HOT.
Or not.
--tr
BartenderWJT
As (Major city in France) (large hotel chain) would say it... "That's
hot!!!!"
--
BartenderWJT-
The best way to "thank" a bartender is to not stiff them.
The best way to stiff a bartender is simply say "thanks."
John in Mass
On Jan 25, 1:07 pm, tom ronson <madscribe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> at 11:06 the roof and part of the top floor of the Monte Carlo is on
> fire. It looks like it's taking off pretty good.
>
> --tr
I just saw a pic online, the middle of the hotel is a charred, gaping
hole on the top few floors; really a nasty looking scene. I can't get
any video of it here at work due to my company having most web video
blocked.
Cameron
If your employer had the newsgroups blocked, you might get a little work
done by the end of the day Cameron.
BAWAHAHAHAHA
John/Mass
John in Mass
On 9/11, the firemen walked up the world trade center towers. They didn't
use elevators. I would assume they would do the same in Vegas, since
elevators are usually programmed to deny service during a fire.
besides, they wouldn't need oxygen, since the fire did not enter the
building. It was all outside, according to the fire chief.
John/mass
Double Down Now!
> Damb, tom ronson <madscribe...@yahoo.com>, do I have to 'splain
> EVERYTHING to your dumn ass????
>
> >Strebel's so busy with his male gay porn
> >he's not been through here in ages.
>
> Speaking of which, there are changes at mysecretvegas.
>
> I can't really tell for sure, but it looks like a poor man's Ronald
> McDonald drinking through a straw.
>
> HOT.
>
> --
And wait til you see what he's done with Grimace and the Hamburgler!
Kinky......verrryy kinky!
EVIL ELVIS
wrote:
> Heck, he blew right past 60 days. He was AWOL longer than norm was.
Man, I'm glad to see he's alright. I thought he and Norm may have
robbed a bank and split for Brazil.
> For those keeping track, Mr Berman's at 41 days as of today;
I know for a fact that Berman is alive and well... at least, he was 2
weeks ago.
> Chuck K is at 85 so he's officially feared dead.
"Feared"? More like "elated".
--EE--
EVIL ELVIS
> On 9/11, the firemen walked up the world trade center towers. They didn't
> use elevators. I would assume they would do the same in Vegas, since
> elevators are usually programmed to deny service during a fire.
Instant. Payton. Classic.
> besides, they wouldn't need oxygen, since the fire did not enter the
> building. It was all outside, according to the fire chief.
You just can't make up stuff like this.
--EE--
EVIL ELVIS
> If your employer had the newsgroups blocked, you might get a little work
> done by the end of the day Cameron.
> BAWAHAHAHAHA
Instant. Payton. Classic.
--EE--
Steve Harder-Kucera
add):
>> On 9/11, the firemen walked up the world trade center towers. They
>> didn't use elevators. I would assume they would do the same in Vegas,
>> since elevators are usually programmed to deny service during a fire.
>
> Instant. Payton. Classic.
I composed a similar response this morning but deleted without posting (or
as I call it, therapy). It's such a great peak into the Paytonesque
version of critical thinking; I saw/heard it once and assumed it applies
to all situations. Let's call it the lazy welfare kings alternative to
actual thought.
>> besides, they wouldn't need oxygen, since the fire did not enter the
>> building. It was all outside, according to the fire chief.
>
> You just can't make up stuff like this.
Sorry EE, I know you are educated in this field, but at the Payton School
of Firefighting they just leave the oxygen in the truck and head for the
top floor. If it turns out you need oxygen you always have plenty of time
to go down and get it.
Except of course here in reality world where oxygen is the substance that
the human body needs above all other in order to survive.
It's amazing that they actually let this guy vote...
EVIL ELVIS
betterwaywebsites.com-please> wrote:
> I composed a similar response this morning but deleted without posting (or
> as I call it, therapy). It's such a great peak into the Paytonesque
> version of critical thinking; I saw/heard it once and assumed it applies
> to all situations. Let's call it the lazy welfare kings alternative to
> actual thought.
Will it help if I got down on my needs and pleaded with you to post
it? I'd love to see your response. <G>
> Sorry EE, I know you are educated in this field, but at the Payton School
> of Firefighting they just leave the oxygen in the truck and head for the
> top floor. If it turns out you need oxygen you always have plenty of time
> to go down and get it.
Yep. I will say that even though I am still a novice in this field,
even the slightest modicum of common sense would tell me or anyone
that oxygen is needed to fuel almost anything.
But what's 30 some stories of running up stairs anyway? It's not like
you'll need oxygen to go up all of those stairs carrying 50lbs. of
hose and another 75 lbs. of equipment while battling tons of toxic
smoke. I wonder if it's hot up there too? Hmmmm.....
> Except of course here in reality world where oxygen is the substance that
> the human body needs above all other in order to survive.
Well, that and SSDI checks.
> It's amazing that they actually let this guy vote...
We need to find out who "they" are and give them a little talking to.
--EE--
Andrew In Alabama
EVERYTHING to your dumn ass????
>> Except of course here in reality world where oxygen is the substance that
>> the human body needs above all other in order to survive.
>
>Well, that and SSDI checks.
Instant. EE. Classic.
Ace
> For those keeping track, Mr Berman's at 41 days as of today; Chuck K is at
> 85 so he's officially feared dead.
"feared" dead may not be the universal consensus.
A*
Ace
> Strevels
Shirly he must be dead by now.
A*
EVIL ELVIS
> Shirly he must be dead by now.
Nope. He's still alive.
--EE--
Kurt Ullman
<b16e9db6-bfd1-487d...@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
EVIL ELVIS <hehate...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yep. I will say that even though I am still a novice in this field,
> even the slightest modicum of common sense would tell me or anyone
> that oxygen is needed to fuel almost anything.
The fire tetrahedron (the one that every FF knows is wrong) heat,
fuel, oxygen, chemical reaction. Take away any one and the fire goes out.
The REAL fire tetrahedron (the one every FF knows is right). heat,
fuel, oxygen, chief officers. Take away any one of the fire goes out.
Ace
> BOB wrote:
> > I guess you real locals are okay,
>
> isn't he? He's been voted the most "special" by the RJ poll 7 years in a
> row! Voting for this year's awards is ongoing now --- lets see if we can
<sniff> tears in the rain today. Listening to the Pretenders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoLe61bobEU
A*
Ace
> On Jan 26, 7:37 pm,Ace<avlvsvery...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Shirly he must be dead by now.
>
> Nope. He's still alive.
Did I underestimate the powers of the farce?
A*
Corey
Re: Re: Monte Carlo on fire...
By: Ace to alt.vacation.las-vegas on Sun Jan 27 2008 11:25 am
> EVIL ELVIS wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 7:37=A0pm,Ace<avlvsvery...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Shirly he must be dead by now.
> >
> > Nope. =A0He's still alive.
>
> Did I underestimate the powers of the farce?
>
> A*
may the farce be with you....
DaveM
wrote:
Fantastic song. One of my all time favourites - but I've never seen the
video before - don't like that much.
DaveM
Ace
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 11:22:42 -0800 (PST), Ace <avlvsvery...@hotmail.com>
I don't recall seeing it before either. But then again, it's pretty
forgettable.
A*