What do they do besides deal with very high volume?
e.g. If I wanted to keep reading alt.mountain-bike now that Verizon has dropped all the alt. groups - and I didn't want to use GoogleGroups - and I didn't want to hook into another news group server - what's the news group server functionality that would prevent me from running my own news group server software on my own PC and just accumulating alt.Mountain-Bike traffic? -- PeteCresswell
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"(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote: >What do they do besides deal with very high volume?
>e.g. If I wanted to keep reading alt.mountain-bike now that >Verizon has dropped all the alt. groups - and I didn't want to >use GoogleGroups - and I didn't want to hook into another news >group server - what's the news group server functionality that >would prevent me from running my own news group server software >on my own PC and just accumulating alt.Mountain-Bike traffic?
Well, among other things, a full usenet feed requires 3TB-4TB of data daily.
A full text feed is much less, maybe 4GB/day or so?
Expect to either pay money or be prepared to peer, meaning that part of your feed relationship is to exchange articles with your other peers.
If you're just looking for a small number of newsgroups, you're better off buying service at a provider that specializes on text groups, individual.net does a decent job. If you're just reading and not posting, news.readfreenews.net isn't bad either, and is free.
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:46:24 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote in alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent:
>What do they do besides deal with very high volume?
>e.g. If I wanted to keep reading alt.mountain-bike now that >Verizon has dropped all the alt. groups - and I didn't want to >use GoogleGroups - and I didn't want to hook into another news >group server - what's the news group server functionality that >would prevent me from running my own news group server software >on my own PC and just accumulating alt.Mountain-Bike traffic?
[adding to DevilsPGD response]
1) Are you fully aware what a "news server" is? Do you have, and are you familiar with, the software for such a server?
2) How do you think the traffic for newsgroups would arrive at your server?
Your two phrases ( 1. I didn't want to hook into another news group server; 2. running my own news group server) contradict each other.
As DevilsPGD wrote: you would probably be better off and it would be a
lot simpler if you found a free or inexpensive server for alt.mountain-bike (and rec.bicycles.off-road).
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:46:24 -0400, in message <g48o64dlqq5s4n3btpp5h4j07plj37e...@4ax.com>,
(PeteCresswell) wrote: > If I wanted to keep reading alt.mountain-bike now that > Verizon has dropped all the alt. groups - and I didn't want to > use GoogleGroups - and I didn't want to hook into another news > group server - what's the news group server functionality that > would prevent me from running my own news group server software > on my own PC and just accumulating alt.Mountain-Bike traffic?
Ways your own newsgroup server can accumulate alt.Mountain-Bike traffic ...
1. Your server can hook into another newsgroup server. There are two options... 1.1 Get a client account on another newsgroup server. Your newsgroup server uses a 'suck' feed. 1.2 Get a server-to-server peering agreement with another newsgroup server.
But if you don't want to hook into another newsgroup server...
2. You can post to your own server and accumulate your own posts. You won't see anyone else's posts on your newsgroup server. Other people won't see your posts on their newsgroup servers.
3. You can allow other people to post using your newsgroup server. Note: if you are not hooking into another newsgroup server, then other people may not want to post on your server. Their posts would not be seen on other newsgroup servers, only by you.
>> If I wanted to keep reading alt.mountain-bike now that >> Verizon has dropped all the alt. groups - and I didn't want to >> use GoogleGroups - and I didn't want to hook into another news >> group server - what's the news group server functionality that >> would prevent me from running my own news group server software >> on my own PC and just accumulating alt.Mountain-Bike traffic?
>Ways your own newsgroup server can accumulate alt.Mountain-Bike traffic ...
>1. Your server can hook into another newsgroup server. > There are two options... > 1.1 Get a client account on another newsgroup server. > Your newsgroup server uses a 'suck' feed. > 1.2 Get a server-to-server peering agreement with another > newsgroup server.
> But if you don't want to hook into another newsgroup server...
>2. You can post to your own server and accumulate your own posts. > You won't see anyone else's posts on your newsgroup server. > Other people won't see your posts on their newsgroup servers.
>3. You can allow other people to post using your newsgroup server. > Note: if you are not hooking into another newsgroup server, then > other people may not want to post on your server. Their posts > would not be seen on other newsgroup servers, only by you.
I do run my own news-server, but for different reasons. It's a function of my mailserver, and it allows me to suck down the feeds that I want at regular intervals (I still have to click on "get new headers" to pull items into Agent, but it's pulling them across a GHz ethernet for a total distance of about 12 feet, so it's quite sprightly).
It also allows me to do some post-download processing: there are scripts that run when retrieving news articles that e.g. delete anything posted to > 2 groups, delete anything crossposted to certain groups, and flag up articles posted via Google groups or via certain hosts that have a very high spam content.
There's a free version for home use, called Mailtraq4free, which will do all of the above and give you a mailserver with up to 4 mailboxes. -- Marc
I went on a diet, swore off drinking and heavy eating, and in fourteen days I lost two weeks. - Joe E. Lewis
>>> If I wanted to keep reading alt.mountain-bike now that >>> Verizon has dropped all the alt. groups - and I didn't want to >>> use GoogleGroups - and I didn't want to hook into another news >>> group server - what's the news group server functionality that >>> would prevent me from running my own news group server software >>> on my own PC and just accumulating alt.Mountain-Bike traffic?
>>Ways your own newsgroup server can accumulate alt.Mountain-Bike traffic ...
>>1. Your server can hook into another newsgroup server. >> There are two options... >> 1.1 Get a client account on another newsgroup server. >> Your newsgroup server uses a 'suck' feed. >> 1.2 Get a server-to-server peering agreement with another >> newsgroup server.
>> But if you don't want to hook into another newsgroup server...
>>2. You can post to your own server and accumulate your own posts. >> You won't see anyone else's posts on your newsgroup server. >> Other people won't see your posts on their newsgroup servers.
>>3. You can allow other people to post using your newsgroup server. >> Note: if you are not hooking into another newsgroup server, then >> other people may not want to post on your server. Their posts >> would not be seen on other newsgroup servers, only by you.
>I do run my own news-server, but for different reasons. It's a function >of my mailserver, and it allows me to suck down the feeds that I want at >regular intervals (I still have to click on "get new headers" to pull >items into Agent, but it's pulling them across a GHz ethernet for a >total distance of about 12 feet, so it's quite sprightly).
>It also allows me to do some post-download processing: there are scripts >that run when retrieving news articles that e.g. delete anything posted >to > 2 groups, delete anything crossposted to certain groups, and flag >up articles posted via Google groups or via certain hosts that have a >very high spam content.
>There's a free version for home use, called Mailtraq4free, which will do >all of the above and give you a mailserver with up to 4 mailboxes.
I think you are referring to a *local* e-mail/newsserver. When you send an e-mail through it, the e-mail still goes through your ISPs e-mail server for distribution. Is that right?
"(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote: >What do they do besides deal with very high volume?
>e.g. If I wanted to keep reading alt.mountain-bike now that >Verizon has dropped all the alt. groups - and I didn't want to >use GoogleGroups - and I didn't want to hook into another news >group server - what's the news group server functionality that >would prevent me from running my own news group server software >on my own PC and just accumulating alt.Mountain-Bike traffic?
If you want to run your own server, the software is freely available. All you need is a Linux box and a connection to the internet so people can reach you. I haven't check recently, but there may even be windows software available or you could run a linux virtual machine.
It gets a little harder if you want to share news postings witho ther servers, but you said you didn't want to do that...
>>>> If I wanted to keep reading alt.mountain-bike now that >>>> Verizon has dropped all the alt. groups - and I didn't want to >>>> use GoogleGroups - and I didn't want to hook into another news >>>> group server - what's the news group server functionality that >>>> would prevent me from running my own news group server software >>>> on my own PC and just accumulating alt.Mountain-Bike traffic?
>>>Ways your own newsgroup server can accumulate alt.Mountain-Bike traffic ...
>>>1. Your server can hook into another newsgroup server. >>> There are two options... >>> 1.1 Get a client account on another newsgroup server. >>> Your newsgroup server uses a 'suck' feed. >>> 1.2 Get a server-to-server peering agreement with another >>> newsgroup server.
>>> But if you don't want to hook into another newsgroup server...
>>>2. You can post to your own server and accumulate your own posts. >>> You won't see anyone else's posts on your newsgroup server. >>> Other people won't see your posts on their newsgroup servers.
>>>3. You can allow other people to post using your newsgroup server. >>> Note: if you are not hooking into another newsgroup server, then >>> other people may not want to post on your server. Their posts >>> would not be seen on other newsgroup servers, only by you.
>>I do run my own news-server, but for different reasons. It's a function >>of my mailserver, and it allows me to suck down the feeds that I want at >>regular intervals (I still have to click on "get new headers" to pull >>items into Agent, but it's pulling them across a GHz ethernet for a >>total distance of about 12 feet, so it's quite sprightly).
>>It also allows me to do some post-download processing: there are scripts >>that run when retrieving news articles that e.g. delete anything posted >>to > 2 groups, delete anything crossposted to certain groups, and flag >>up articles posted via Google groups or via certain hosts that have a >>very high spam content.
>>There's a free version for home use, called Mailtraq4free, which will do >>all of the above and give you a mailserver with up to 4 mailboxes.
>I think you are referring to a *local* e-mail/newsserver. When you >send an e-mail through it, the e-mail still goes through your ISPs >e-mail server for distribution. Is that right?
No. My mail server looks up the domain of the recipient and finds their MX records, and then sends mail directly to their MX hosts. Only if that fails will it fall back to my ISPs smart-host. I think it's used it twice in over two years. -- Marc
"..proper sport being football and cricket and nothing else. Everything else is a game or a pastime. Except golf. Which is an abomination, encouraging bloated publicans and estate agents to waddle about a twee and artificial landscape in lurid tight-fitting patel jumpers like pregnant Teletubbies." Linda Smith, on sport.
>>What do they do besides deal with very high volume?
>>e.g. If I wanted to keep reading alt.mountain-bike now that >>Verizon has dropped all the alt. groups - and I didn't want to >>use GoogleGroups - and I didn't want to hook into another news >>group server - what's the news group server functionality that >>would prevent me from running my own news group server software >>on my own PC and just accumulating alt.Mountain-Bike traffic?
>If you want to run your own server, the software is freely available. All you >need is a Linux box and a connection to the internet so people can reach you. I >haven't check recently, but there may even be windows software available...
Www.mailtraq.com - there's a free version for home use.
There are others as well.
-- Marc
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