Upgrade from ver 1.93?
Don Wiss
three issues:
(1) Will my 1.93 work under Win 7 64 bit?
(2) I really, really like the text editor in 1.93. I really, really dislike
text editors with formatting. Does the current version have an option to
use a simple text-only editor?
(3) The crossposting is really lame in 1.93. I have accepted it, though
right now it is screwing me up. I put a watch on a thread not realizing it
was also crossposted to a newsgroup higher up in the newsgroup list. I read
a bunch of posts. Then I read some more. Then I realized that I was only
reading the handful that had the crosspost stripped out. So now I have a
thread with 150 downloaded articles all marked as having been read, expect
I've only read a couple dozen. Has this been fixed?
Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
Keith
>I am content using 1.93. I am considering finally upgrading. But I have
>three issues:
>
>(1) Will my 1.93 work under Win 7 64 bit?
Yes, To avoid any issues install or copy the Agent folder with directory
to the MY Documents or documents folder
c:\Users\YOUR_USER_NAME\My Documents\Agent
Set the agent.exe file in Properties to be compatible with Windows 2000.
c:\Users\YOUR_USER_NAME\My Documents\Agent\agent.exe
in Windows Explorer right-click
Select Properties
Press Compatibility Tab
Run this program in Compatibility mode for
Windows 2000
If you copy the Agent folder from another computer right-click agent.exe
in windows explorer and select Send To -> Desktop (Create Shortcut). If
you want to add it to the Start Menu or task bar you can right click and
pin agent.exe to menu or task bar when Agent is running.
Tip: Use Winzip or 7-zip or RAR to preserve file permissions and data
between computers. If you use read/write media often the file is changed
to read only making the file unusable until you go into the Agent data
folder and change the properties of each IDX and DAT file.
>
>(2) I really, really like the text editor in 1.93. I really, really dislike
>text editors with formatting. Does the current version have an option to
>use a simple text-only editor?
No, it uses the editor provided by Agent.
>
>(3) The crossposting is really lame in 1.93. I have accepted it, though
>right now it is screwing me up. I put a watch on a thread not realizing it
>was also crossposted to a newsgroup higher up in the newsgroup list. I read
>a bunch of posts. Then I read some more. Then I realized that I was only
>reading the handful that had the crosspost stripped out. So now I have a
>thread with 150 downloaded articles all marked as having been read, expect
>I've only read a couple dozen. Has this been fixed?
I have never used this feature in Agent. With TB HD's and Broadband ISP
saving bandwidth and disk space is not my top priority.
>
>Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
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Ralph Fox
Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote:
> I am content using 1.93. I am considering finally upgrading. But I have
> three issues:
>
> (1) Will my 1.93 work under Win 7 64 bit?
Yes, provided you do one of these
A. Install Agent outside both the "Program Files (x86)" and "Program Files"
folders.
or
B. You can install Agent inside the Windows "Program Files (x86)" folder,
but you must put your Agent Data folder outside both the Windows
"Program Files (x86)" and "Program Files" folders.
1. Install Agent 1.93 on Win 7.
2. Move or create the Data sub-folder somewhere outside the
"Program Files(86)" and "Program Files" folders.
3. Make sure there is an "AGENT.INI" file in the
Data folder (at its new location).
4. On the shortcut that you use to start Agent,
go to the shortcut properties and set the "Start In"
to the new location of the Data folder.
Regarding steps 1-4 above, go to the Agent 1.93 help file at
"Help � Index � Multi-user configuration" and read the part for
"Windows 95 or NT4". Vista and Win 7 also require the data folder to
be located outside Program Files.
> (2) I really, really like the text editor in 1.93. I really, really dislike
> text editors with formatting. Does the current version have an option to
> use a simple text-only editor?
The text editor has hardly changed at all.
> (3) The crossposting is really lame in 1.93. I have accepted it, though
> right now it is screwing me up. I put a watch on a thread not realizing it
> was also crossposted to a newsgroup higher up in the newsgroup list. I read
> a bunch of posts. Then I read some more. Then I realized that I was only
> reading the handful that had the crosspost stripped out. So now I have a
> thread with 150 downloaded articles all marked as having been read, expect
> I've only read a couple dozen. Has this been fixed?
Crosspost management has changed, starting with Agent 4.0.
Starting from 4.0, it does not matter which group you download headers in first.
(a) You can specify a priority order for groups, and crosspost detection
will kill the crosspost in all but your highest priority group which
the message is cross-posted to. Even if you only download headers
later in the priority group.
(b) You can also totally kill any message cross-posted to more
than <number> groups, where you can choose the <number>.
> Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
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Regards
Ralph
Don Wiss
>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:09:05 -0500, Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote:
>>(2) I really, really like the text editor in 1.93. I really, really dislike
>>text editors with formatting. Does the current version have an option to
>>use a simple text-only editor?
>
>No, it uses the editor provided by Agent.
Thanks, but that tells me nothing at all. How easy is it to get rid of
formatting? What do I have to do to paste in formatted text from a web page
that I don't want formatted?
>>(3) The crossposting is really lame in 1.93. I have accepted it, though
>>right now it is screwing me up. I put a watch on a thread not realizing it
>>was also crossposted to a newsgroup higher up in the newsgroup list. I read
>>a bunch of posts. Then I read some more. Then I realized that I was only
>>reading the handful that had the crosspost stripped out. So now I have a
>>thread with 150 downloaded articles all marked as having been read, expect
>>I've only read a couple dozen. Has this been fixed?
>
>I have never used this feature in Agent. With TB HD's and Broadband ISP
>saving bandwidth and disk space is not my top priority.
I don't understand this answer. What does saving space and a fast
connection have to do with the way Agent makes an article as read when it
hasn't been read, just that it also appears in a group above in the list?
Don Wiss
>Don Wiss wrote:
>> (3) The crossposting is really lame in 1.93. I have accepted it, though
>> right now it is screwing me up. I put a watch on a thread not realizing it
>> was also crossposted to a newsgroup higher up in the newsgroup list. I read
>> a bunch of posts. Then I read some more. Then I realized that I was only
>> reading the handful that had the crosspost stripped out. So now I have a
>> thread with 150 downloaded articles all marked as having been read, expect
>> I've only read a couple dozen. Has this been fixed?
>
>Crosspost management has changed, starting with Agent 4.0.
>
>Starting from 4.0, it does not matter which group you download headers in first.
>
>(a) You can specify a priority order for groups, and crosspost detection
> will kill the crosspost in all but your highest priority group which
> the message is cross-posted to. Even if you only download headers
> later in the priority group.
I don't see how this would help me. When I read a thread I do not see the
headers. I have no idea whether it has been crossposted to another group I
have above or below it in my subscribed list. I don't consider any group to
have a higher priority than another. If I check the header before every
time I watch a thread, and finding it has been crossposted, I could then
not watch it there but instead go watch it in the higher group. And then
most threads I watch are set automatically with filters.
>(b) You can also totally kill any message cross-posted to more
> than <number> groups, where you can choose the <number>.
A useless feature.
So far it looks like there is no reason to upgrade from 1.93.
Ralph Fox
Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:54:02 +1300, Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid> wrote:
> >Don Wiss wrote:
> >> (3) The crossposting is really lame in 1.93. I have accepted it, though
> >> right now it is screwing me up. I put a watch on a thread not realizing it
> >> was also crossposted to a newsgroup higher up in the newsgroup list. I read
> >> a bunch of posts. Then I read some more. Then I realized that I was only
> >> reading the handful that had the crosspost stripped out. So now I have a
> >> thread with 150 downloaded articles all marked as having been read, expect
> >> I've only read a couple dozen. Has this been fixed?
> >
> >Crosspost management has changed, starting with Agent 4.0.
> >
> >Starting from 4.0, it does not matter which group you download headers in first.
> >
> >(a) You can specify a priority order for groups, and crosspost detection
> > will kill the crosspost in all but your highest priority group which
> > the message is cross-posted to. Even if you only download headers
> > later in the priority group.
>
> I don't see how this would help me. When I read a thread I do not see the
> headers. I have no idea whether it has been crossposted to another group I
> have above or below it in my subscribed list. I don't consider any group to
> have a higher priority than another. If I check the header before every
> time I watch a thread, and finding it has been crossposted, I could then
> not watch it there but instead go watch it in the higher group. And then
> most threads I watch are set automatically with filters.
You have only told us your negatives wants, not your positive wants.
You told us what you didn't want (that the messages were marked read
in the group which you were reading) and then you asked "has this been
fixed". You didn't say what alternative (out of many) you do want.
So what do you want?
A. Did you want the 150 or so messages to not be marked read in either
group?
This you can do already in 1.93. Problem solved.
B. Did you still want the 150 or so messages to be marked read in one
of the two groups, and not marked read in the other group?
If that is what you want, then tell us how Agent is to select which
group you want each messages to be marked read in, and which group
not marked read. Neither of your posts have told us this.
All you have told us is you what you don't want for alternatives.
C. Did you want another of the infinite alternatives?
> >(b) You can also totally kill any message cross-posted to more
> > than <number> groups, where you can choose the <number>.
>
> A useless feature.
It is a feature that was requested many times.
Do you have any positives to say?
> So far it looks like there is no reason to upgrade from 1.93.
Suit yourself. Nobody here makes money out of you upgrading.
This is a user-to-user newsgroup, not a Fort� sales department.
> Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
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Regards
Ralph
Ardent
wrote:
> 1. Install Agent 1.93 on Win 7.
> 2. Move or create the Data sub-folder somewhere outside the
> "Program Files(86)" and "Program Files" folders.
> 3. Make sure there is an "AGENT.INI" file in the
> Data folder (at its new location).
> 4. On the shortcut that you use to start Agent,
> go to the shortcut properties and set the "Start In"
> to the new location of the Data folder.
I just installed it in the usual way (as with XP) and agent was
installed in the C:\Program Files\Agent.
Without opening Agent I opened the properties of the link to agent and
in the Start in: box I typed D:\data
Now Agent starts with all my data.
I found absolutely no problem. In fact most of the programs I have
been using with XP work under Windows 7.
--
HTH
Archer
Don Wiss
>> I don't see how this would help me. When I read a thread I do not see the
>> headers. I have no idea whether it has been crossposted to another group I
>> have above or below it in my subscribed list. I don't consider any group to
>> have a higher priority than another. If I check the header before every
>> time I watch a thread, and finding it has been crossposted, I could then
>> not watch it there but instead go watch it in the higher group. And then
>> most threads I watch are set automatically with filters.
>
>
>You have only told us your negatives wants, not your positive wants.
>
>You told us what you didn't want (that the messages were marked read
>in the group which you were reading) and then you asked "has this been
>fixed". You didn't say what alternative (out of many) you do want.
>
>
>So what do you want?
>
>A. Did you want the 150 or so messages to not be marked read in either
> group?
>
> This you can do already in 1.93. Problem solved.
>
>B. Did you still want the 150 or so messages to be marked read in one
> of the two groups, and not marked read in the other group?
>
> If that is what you want, then tell us how Agent is to select which
> group you want each messages to be marked read in, and which group
> not marked read. Neither of your posts have told us this.
In this case the watch was set by me. It downloaded only the bodies on the
thread that I set the watch. That was good. But all were marked as read,
when clearly I had not read them. They should not have been marked as read
until I read them.
Ralph Fox
Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote:
> In this case the watch was set by me. It downloaded only the bodies on the
> thread that I set the watch. That was good. But all were marked as read,
> when clearly I had not read them. They should not have been marked as read
> until I read them.
Crosspost checking marks crossposted messages read in a group before
you have read them. Turn off crosspost checking, and this won't happen.
Group � Default Properties � Crossposts
[ ] Enable crosspost checking
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Regards
Ralph
Don Wiss
>Don Wiss wrote:
>> (2) I really, really like the text editor in 1.93. I really, really dislike
>> text editors with formatting. Does the current version have an option to
>> use a simple text-only editor?
>
> Dunno about Agent v5.0 or Agent v6.x but Text Editor not changed from
>Classic Agent v1.93 to Agent v4.0 and I don't think there will be any change
>in Agent v6.x either.
But your response here isn't consistent with my other response on this.
Greg Strong
wrote:
>(1) Will my 1.93 work under Win 7 64 bit?
I just upgraded from 1.93 to 6. Since I'm still using WinXP Pro SP3,
I can't speak to this one.
>(2) I really, really like the text editor in 1.93. I really, really dislike
>text editors with formatting. Does the current version have an option to
>use a simple text-only editor?
I don't see much change in the text editor.
>(3) The crossposting is really lame in 1.93. I have accepted it, though
>right now it is screwing me up. I put a watch on a thread not realizing it
>was also crossposted to a newsgroup higher up in the newsgroup list. I read
>a bunch of posts. Then I read some more. Then I realized that I was only
>reading the handful that had the crosspost stripped out. So now I have a
>thread with 150 downloaded articles all marked as having been read, expect
>I've only read a couple dozen. Has this been fixed?
I don't cross post much, so I can not speak to this issue. However I
you may want to see my reply per Message-ID:
<dh33h5l7ttlhcgme6...@4ax.com>
Beside most of the shortcut keys I used in V1.93 still work. V6 has
finally made me contribute to the developers coffee fund. :)
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Regards,
Greg Strong
Cindy Ross
Look at the release notes:
http://forteinc.com/release/index.php
Read over the features introduced with the versions since 1.93,
and evaluate how useful those features would be to you.
(It's not like updating an operating system; for example there are lots
of reasons to use Win XP instead of Win 3.1 that might not be obvious
from a "list of features". But with Agent, the new features in the
release list are a pretty good indicator of the extent to which an
upgrade would be beneficial to you...)
If you see some intriguing features and decide to upgrade, always take a
backup of your data before upgrading in case you want to go back...
Brian
wrote:
If I upgraded and then decided I didn't prefer the new features,
wouldn't I lose the posts and e-mails I had downloaded to the new
version?
I do have several instances that I use for different purposes so I
guess I could duplicate one and try it?
Cindy Ross
>wouldn't I lose the posts and e-mails I had downloaded to the new
>version?
Good point. You could always download the new usenet stuff again, but
to be able to download the email stuff again you would have to make sure
that it is left on the mail server....
Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
>>If I upgraded and then decided I didn't prefer the new features,
Or export and import them, locally.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Hard as nails, hard as nails - So would you be if you lived one hundred
and eighty years on sunflower seeds and biscuit crumbs." - Polynesia
Cindy Ross
>>to be able to download the email stuff again you would have to make sure
>>that it is left on the mail server....
>
>Or export and import them, locally.
(I always forget Agent is an emailer, since I don't use it for that.)
:->
Jaimie Vandenbergh
wrote:
>>>Good point. You could always download the new usenet stuff again, but
You can export/reimport Usenet posts too!
... you just wouldn't often need to.
Cheers - Jaimei
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neither "full" nor "empty" : it may or may not have some beer balanced
on it. - Oldbloke, urs
Mark Lloyd
> Me? the only benefit from upgrading from the Classic Agent v1.93 to v4.x
>is multiple email accounts. Other than that since I don't use Agent for
>binary so there is no benefit from newer version but some slowness issue I
>have now and then (did I mentioned Agent v4.x has destroyed 3 old groups,
Newsgroups? It couldn't. Maybe you mean the folders.
>and I had to reinstall twice?).
>
>
> So for
>
>- TEXT user, you won't gain much or anything (besides multiple email
>accounts)
>
Multiple accounts was introduced in Agent v3 for newsgroups only, it
didn't work for email until v3.2. I found multiple accounts to be one
of the most useful improvements to Agent (for TEXT NEWSGROUPS).
>- BINARY user, the newer Agent handles binary lot better than the Classic
>Agent but still not as good and slick as standard Binary Downloader.
>
> So
>
>- If you are TEXT user then you should be fine with the Classic Agent
>
TEXT email and TEXT newsgroups are different things. You need to
distinguish between them.
>- BINARY user, I still suggest to use Agent for TEXT while using standard
>binary downloader for binary this way you have the best of both worlds.
>
> Also, depending on the Usenet server some user can benefit more/less
>depending on the limitation.
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"How could you ask me to believe in God when there's
absolutely no evidence that I can see?" -- Jodie Foster
Ralph Fox
Brian <drmorri...@comcast.net> wrote:
> If I upgraded and then decided I didn't prefer the new features,
> wouldn't I lose the posts and e-mails I had downloaded to the new
> version?
> I do have several instances that I use for different purposes so I
> guess I could duplicate one and try it?
You could always export them from the new version to a Unix message file,
and then import them from the Unix message file back into the old version.
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Regards
Ralph