Re: WIN 7 DIRTY SECRETs.
Adam
The Other Guy <knews...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:01:50 -0800, J <nos...@holes.com> wrote:
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>>sKIPPED vISTA because it was known garbage right out of the box and most
>>have joined in that view by now.
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>ONLY people who have USED Vista can have a valid opinion on it.
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>*I* use it, and it works GREAT.
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I would skip the "great" part, but it works.
Caesar Romano
7 DIRTY SECRETs.:
>The bottom line:
>Obsolete, legacy or old programs (including Agent) must be assumed to have
>problems with Win 7.
Thanks for the great review!
--
I filter all messages from google groups.
Kirk Bubul
>PowerDesk pro (an XP replacement for WE) generally works but 'some
>functions' have problems!
I tried PowerDesk Pro 7 in my Win 7 Home Premium 64-bit environment.
When it froze up my system routinely, I emailed Avanquest support.
They told me that PDPro has never been tested in a 64-bit environment
and that they have no plans to make a 64-bit compatible version.
Since I've used PDPro for years, I was very disappointed. And since
my PDPro 7 was fewer than 30 days old, I got a refund.
Charles Galloway
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:51:04 -0800, Tomy wrote:
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>I'm running Win-7 Ultimate 64 bit and the boot is getting too slow�
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>Tomy
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>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:01:50 -0800, J <nos...@holes.com> wrote:
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>>sKIPPED vISTA because it was known garbage right out of the box and most
>>have joined in that view by now. Win 7 has not gotten bad press by any of
>>the usual PC rags and mags for the most likely reason that it is not in
>>their self interest to flame another OS and have nothing to write about.
>>
>>Assembled an i7-940 system with 24" dual monitors and everything else top
>>of the line including Win 7 Ultra 64bit and did a clean install when it
>>came out. Sooo how do I like it so far.
>>
>>The good:
>>The shutdown button has been located right next to the Start button - and
>>it only takes one click! How clever can our friends at M$ be - are there
>>no limits to their vast knowledge and brilliance?
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>>The bad:
>>Initially the system started faster than the XP Pro but when all the same
>>drives and programs etc are installed there is NO significant difference
>>on my PC.
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>>The UgLy:
>>For the past two years+ people have been fighting a permission, can't
>>delete and related file problems. This remains a problem in Win 7 since
>>it was not resolved in Vista and this remains an unsolved problem in
>> Agent ver 5.
>>
>>This is what the problem seems to be and several links with various
>>'experts' looking for answers - NONE seemed to have worked so far and
>>NOBODY has seen fit to fix it in 2+ years. We can only speculate when if
>>ever this will actually ever get fixed or 'just faded out'.
>>"Usually this problem of undeletable files and folder is because of Access
>>control list of these object is associated with SID of old operating
>>system user accounts and these users are not present in your windows 7,
>>effectively data is owned by nobody or non-existent user."
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>>http://www.blogsdna.com/2159/how-to-take-ownership-grant-permissions-to-access-files-folder-in-windows-7.htm
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>>http://www.blogsdna.com/2166/how-to-delete-undeletable-files-in-windows-7.htm
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>>http://www.google.com/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=legacy+programs+unable+to+delete+in+Win+7&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Webhttp://www.blogsdna.com/2166/how-to-delete-undeletable-files-in-windows-7.htmhttp://www.blogsdna.com/2166/how-to-delete-undeletable-files-in-windows-7.htm
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>>My experience:
>>Synchromagic (a legacy folder clone utility) will not delete anything in
>>64 bit and will NOT even run in the Virtual XP mode. Who knew that! The
>>hype is that the Virtual XP mode was even more compatible than the real XP
>>program <GRIN>.
>>Vueprint and Agent will not let you select save to locations and there may
>>be other problems.
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>>PowerDesk pro (an XP replacement for WE) generally works but 'some
>>functions' have problems!
>>
>>I have managed to crash and lock up the win7 Explorer. By the way - to
>>watch M$ 'improve' 'that piece of art' over decades has been like watching
>>the town drunk attempting to cross a large busy freeway or highway on
>>foot. We all know that the outcome is doubtful and will not be very
>>pretty.
>>When you exit and then reopen WE all the menus have been collapsed and
>>what you set up has been discarded.
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>>My most precious and important program (unlimited and unrestricted as to
>>sizes, names etc or locations of files) is a duplicate file finder that
>>has worked like a charm. This is a $20 program that I had custom modified
>>by the author about 5+ years ago and it has been absolutely flawless. The
>>author is no longer around or in business (as far as I know).
>>This proves to me that this can all be made to work by properly qualified
>>people that give a damn.
>>
>>I have PSP8 running in Virtual XP mode (because it does some things better
>>than PhotoShop). It is very slooow to load and the 'transparent' thing
>>has NOT been a reality here. I have also failed in my attempt to run a
>>single program in both virtual and standard mode (not at the same time). I
>>attempted to load AVG virus protection into the virtual also - something
>>is required or you will get a nasty message every time you start virtual.
>>I attempted to install another program into std mode after virtual. The
>>virtual just switched itself. If this can be done then it is not
>>intuitive to me.
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>>PCs are tools for me. I have ZERO INTEREST IN BEING AN ALPHA TESTER. In
>>light of all the good reviews I gambled that Win 7 would work.
>>If you are in business and/or are not looking for problems then Windows 7
>>is definitely not for you. I made a mistake and I am deeply sorry that I
>>purchased Win 7. I do love my hardware! No person should ever again go
>>without dual 24inch monitors. As for speed over Pent 4 XP pro - far less
>>significant.
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>>So we can all keep hoping and wishing...
>>
>>The bottom line:
>>Obsolete, legacy or old programs (including Agent) must be assumed to have
>>problems with Win 7.
>>
>>J
DevilsPGD
<nos...@holes.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>The bottom line:
>Obsolete, legacy or old programs (including Agent) must be assumed to have
>problems with Win 7.
A few tips, if I may...
First off, leave UAC on. Turn off the prompts to allow automatic
elevation if you'd prefer, but turning UAC off does a lot more to the
system then just skipping elevation requests.
Second, install programs into their correct (read: default) locations.
Programs go into Program Files (or "Program Files (x86)" as appropriate)
Application Data goes under %userprofile% somewhere, preferably
%appdata%, etc. Your documents go under Documents/My Documents.
If you don't want your application data or documents on your OS
partition, that's fine! However, don't just tell apps to save their
data elsewhere, instead re-point your folders (I use group policies to
keep my systems consistent, but there are other techniques available)
The reason I make these suggestions is that Windows does some hackery to
allow poorly written legacy applications (read:applications that failed
to use correct multi-user application data directories, stuff that has
existed since Win98 or earlier, and was mandatory in limited user NT
3.51 and higher) to continue to operate, but turning off UAC or using
non-default paths disables some of Windows file
redirection/virtualization tricks.
Lastly, after installing Windows 7, give it a full month before you
start disabling services you're not sure if you need. Windows 7 is
better than any previous version of Windows at enabling/disabling
components on demand, and at using available resources that otherwise
wouldn't be used while still releasing said resources on demand.
For example, having almost no free memory is no longer a bad thing, it's
only once you start paging out that you've got a performance hit.
Windows 7 is very good at releasing resources as needed.
The reason I suggest waiting a month is to get a decent understanding of
your baseline performance, rather than you turning stuff on and off and
judging performance difference while Windows is busy optimizing itself
too.
Lurker1
and bite you are:
1. If you don't modify your power plan on a fresh install, Win 7 will
go to sleep after 2-3 hours in the "balanced" power plan. This will
really stall the binary downloads.
2. A fresh install uses the "Password must be changed every xx days"
option. You need to run gpedit.msc to remove it in Pro and Ultimate,
but since gpedit.msc doesn't come with Home versions, you have to
execute the cmd prompt as an administrator and enter "net accounts
/maxpwage:unlimited" to allow you to continue to use the same
password. (the cmd option will also work in Pro & Ultimate)
Other than that, I still refer to Win 7 as Vista SP2 Lite.
>The bottom line:
>Obsolete, legacy or old programs (including Agent) must be assumed to have
>problems with Win 7.
>
>J
Lurker1
probably won't). Might want to run the net or gpedit commands just to
be sure...
p.s. net accounts by itself will show you how things are set (remember
to run as administrator)
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:51:53 -0800, mi...@nosamm.com wrote:
>I never entered a password in mine - always hated those. Will I also have
>the same problem? Also Ultimate.
>
Charles Galloway
area - not My Documents. I assume XP has group policies but am unsure
where to look. Can you assist please?
Jaimie Vandenbergh
<CSGal...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>I use XP and would like to have documwents stored in a user-defined
>area - not My Documents.
This isn't really the place, but... Right click on My Documents,
Properties, and you'll find a "Move..." button.
Or you can just put all your stuff somewhere else. I always chose a D:
partition, so that when Windows once again ate its own C: drive
nothing I cared about would get lost.
Cheers - Jaimie
--
"It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold"
Hunter S Tolkien - "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur"
Clueless
wrote:
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>I can help you with your hopes and wishes.
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>I run Forte Agent 4.2 under Windows 7 Home Premium.
>(copied all from Windows Vista Home Premium.)
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>I have no problems whatsoever.
> ;-)
Ha, I use 2.0 with Win7. Not only that I still use the ancient Opera
5.12 under Win7.
--
Archer
David Loewe, Jr.
wrote:
>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:01:50 -0800, J <nos...@holes.com> wrote:
>>
>>So we can all keep hoping and wishing...
>>
>>The bottom line:
>>Obsolete, legacy or old programs (including Agent) must be assumed to have
>>problems with Win 7.
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>I can help you with your hopes and wishes.
>
>I run Forte Agent 4.2 under Windows 7 Home Premium.
>(copied all from Windows Vista Home Premium.)
I have been running Agent 4.2 under the Windows 7 Ultimate RC.
>I have no problems whatsoever.
> ;-)
I have had no problems either.
--
"On a morning from a Bogart movie
In a country where they turn back time
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre
Contemplating a crime."
Al Stewart & Peter Wood
Don Kirkman
article <1h4mg5la2jt6r2cvc...@4ax.com>:
>On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:21:36 -0500, Charles Galloway
><CSGal...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>I use XP and would like to have documwents stored in a user-defined
>>area - not My Documents.
>This isn't really the place, but... Right click on My Documents,
>Properties, and you'll find a "Move..." button.
>Or you can just put all your stuff somewhere else. I always chose a D:
>partition, so that when Windows once again ate its own C: drive
>nothing I cared about would get lost.
For a long time now I've put Agent and nearly all my applications on
one non-C: drive and large data files from applications that generate
them on a still different non-C: drive. Today is my second day on
Windows 7 and all of the most used stuff on both drives is up and
running as usual. I have yet to check all the less-used programs.
My problems with Win 7 so far are with the program itself--too cutesy
for me so I've reverted to the classic look with the new stuff under
the hood.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
smack the dipshits
rely on secondhand bs to go by. I make my living in the IT industry,
Vista has never ever been as bad as most numbskulls would like to have
painted it. How do I know, because there's very few people that have
had the volume of systems I deal with to make such calls. 99% of the
time it's THE USER. In the case of blue screens 99% of the time it's
faulty hardware or bad drivers (most typically issues lying wth the
hardware manufacturer).
Here's your bottom line moron. I suggest you LEARN a whole lot more.
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:01:50 -0800, J <nos...@holes.com> wrote:
>So we can all keep hoping and wishing...
>
>The bottom line:
>Obsolete, legacy or old programs (including Agent) must be assumed to have
>problems with Win 7.
>
>J
smack the dipshits
wrote:
>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:01:50 -0800, J <nos...@holes.com> wrote Re WIN
>7 DIRTY SECRETs.:
>
>>The bottom line:
>>Obsolete, legacy or old programs (including Agent) must be assumed to have
>>problems with Win 7.
>
>Thanks for the great review!
Great "review"? ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a bunch of on and on GARBAGE about things that if he knew
anything at all about he wouldn't have issues with.
smack the dipshits
slow?
If your'e actually turning your system off every night and doing a
cold boot you're foolish. Put the system to sleep, talk to me about
slow boots then.
You know people, when you go to a new OS there are things to learn and
often, very often old habits to break and move to a better way.
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:51:04 -0800, Tomy wrote:
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>I'm running Win-7 Ultimate 64 bit and the boot is getting too slow�
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>Tomy
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>>The bottom line:
>>Obsolete, legacy or old programs (including Agent) must be assumed to have
>>problems with Win 7.
>>
>>J
Nicetameetya
[Default] On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:03:53 -0800, smack the dipshits
<no...@none.here> declared to all and sundry:
>I love dipshits that go on and on about shit they don't know about and
>rely on secondhand bs to go by. I make my living in the IT industry,
>Vista has never ever been as bad as most numbskulls would like to have
>painted it. How do I know, because there's very few people that have
>had the volume of systems I deal with to make such calls. 99% of the
>time it's THE USER. In the case of blue screens 99% of the time it's
>faulty hardware or bad drivers (most typically issues lying wth the
>hardware manufacturer).
>
>Here's your bottom line moron. I suggest you LEARN a whole lot more.
That's really profound coming from an arrogant troll who hasn't
learned not to top-post.
--
"Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to
be is like shitting in your pants because that's where your
asshole happened to be." -- Andreas Prilop (c.i.w.a.h)
Christopher A. Lee
>I love dipshits that go on and on about shit they don't know about and
>rely on secondhand bs to go by. I make my living in the IT industry,
>Vista has never ever been as bad as most numbskulls would like to have
>painted it. How do I know, because there's very few people that have
>had the volume of systems I deal with to make such calls. 99% of the
>time it's THE USER. In the case of blue screens 99% of the time it's
>faulty hardware or bad drivers (most typically issues lying wth the
>hardware manufacturer).
Which shouldn't be the user's problem, troll.
>Here's your bottom line moron. I suggest you LEARN a whole lot more.
Vista does too many things differently than XP When you're using thye
machine as an end user tool you shouldn't have to keep going through a
learning curve every so often when you have got used to using what is
just another tool.
The much vaunted security "enhancements" just got in the way.
Everybody I know turned them off.
pyotr filipivich
or about Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:57:11 -0500 did write/type or cause to
appear in alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent the following:
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>Vista does too many things differently than XP When you're using thye
>machine as an end user tool you shouldn't have to keep going through a
>learning curve every so often when you have got used to using what is
>just another tool.
>
>The much vaunted security "enhancements" just got in the way.
>Everybody I know turned them off.
I read a great contrast between Windows and Mac OS. Mac OS is a
competent Butler, who only intrudes if there is something which needs
your attention (as in "Executive Decision time."); whereas Windows is
a hyperactive Boy Scout, constantly offering help you don't know if
you want, and interrupting to tell you of some good deed it did for
you, whether you wanted it done, or cared one way or the other.
I see a lot of things being added to programs simply because it
can be done, not because it needs to be done.
tschus
pyotr
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pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.