I miss my Amiga
RafaMinu
Nada que ver, lo del nombre español, era lo mejor del mundo, lo echo
de menos...
I haven't touched any Amiga computer for years, but i have been a
fanatic user of the Amiga from 1991 until the turn of the millenium.
I've spent many years working and playing with it (rather the other way
around) and I still think it was the best machine mankind has ever
created.
What has happened to this computer is a real techno-tragedy and I am
sure it has altered the course of History, and not for the Good.
Last year i wrote a post about it:
The Curse of the Amiga
http://magikomputer.blogspot.com/2005/11/curse-of-amiga.html
ElGaucho
"RafaMinu" <rafa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Recuerdos, recuerdos. La Amiga falló porque no era ni una cosa ni la otra.
Pero era 'fun', eso sí. Yo todavía recuerdo los tiempos de Intellivision,
luego el Vic20, Commodore64, y claro, el juego aquel de tenis en la TV con
una pelotita y dos barras que se movían de arriba a abajo. Plink plink plink
plink plink plink
Earle Horton
> español? Nada que ver, lo del nombre español, era lo mejor
> del mundo, lo echo de menos...
>
> http://www.amiga.org/
>
> I haven't touched any Amiga computer for years, but i have been a
> fanatic user of the Amiga from 1991 until the turn of the millenium.
>
"I was a fanatic user" o "I used to be" se usa para cualquier actividad
acabada, terminada, que no sigue más. Tiene más o menos el mismo sentido
que "era usario fanático". Por mucho que sigues siendo fanático, no eres
todavía usario.
>
>
> I've spent many years working and playing with it (rather the
" I spent"
> other way around) and I still think it was the best machine
> mankind has ever created.
>
> What has happened to this computer is a real techno-tragedy
> and I am sure it has altered the course of History, and not for
> the Good.
I worked in the computer industry and it's a jungle out there: kill or be
killed, eat or be eaten. The Amiga just couldn't hold its own against the
Macintosh, which almost suffered the same fate, or the Windows PC. All hail
the Windows PC!
Saludos,
Earle
Begoluna
> Alguien se acuerda del Amiga, aquel ordenador con nombre español?
¡Siiiiií!! Tuvimos de esa marca en casa, al igual que otras Commodore (¿lo
escribí bien?).
¡Que no me acuerdo cómo eran!! :-D Voy a tener que buscarlas en Goooooogle
Pictures:
Amiga
http://images.google.com/images?q=Amiga&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images
Yo empecé computación con una TRS-80, que era toda una pieza: el monitor
estaba pegao al teclao y no podías voltear la pantalla. ¡Bueno, venga, que
he pasao por tantos com-puto-dores, que ni me acuerdo!! :-D
Ahora las que tenemos son "hechas en casa", sin marca. Yo ya abandono la
idea de montar una porque se van haciendo más difíciles; antes era más
sencillo, pero ahora las piezas no casan necesariamente e incluso puedes
freir (o como se diga) el aparato. No tengo esos conocimientos técnicos. Me
voy quedando atrás... :-D
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Begoluna
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Begoluna
> Intellivision, luego el Vic20, Commodore64, y claro, el juego aquel de
Y Commodore 12? no me acuerdo ¿128? Ni sé lo que digo...
> tenis en la TV con una pelotita y dos barras que se movían de arriba a
> abajo. Plink plink plink plink plink plink
¡Ah sí, de pelotas, sí!! :-D La primera vez lo vi de pequeña en la
televisión, con una máquina adicional grande y negra. El tenis eran dos
barras y la pelotita era ¡cuadrada! como un píxel. :-D Yo me pasaba ratos
dándole a la pelota. Plink, plink. plink, plink... Sí, sí...
Begoluna
> I worked in the computer industry and it's a jungle out there: kill or
> be killed, eat or be eaten. The Amiga just couldn't hold its own
Por allá por el principio de los años 80 yo hice en clase un papel sobre el
futuro (entonces) de las computadoras. Dije que no, que no iban a
sobrevivir. Una característica que yo puse es que nunca una computadora iba
a tomar el mismo papel que un trabajador humano.
Y... ¡Jajjaaa!! ¡Me equivoqué por completo! Hoy en día las computadoras son
más y más substitutas del hombre. No digo que piensen o que amen... Pero
que montones de masa obrera humana sucunben para dejar paso a una computer.
Jode.
A este paso, ¿nos vamos a quedar sin trabajos?? ¿qué va a pasar en un
futuro próximo cuando más y más computadoras nos reemplacen a los humanos??
¡Adiós, Amiga's amigos!! :-)
Pascal Bourguignon
> Por allá por el principio de los años 80 yo hice en clase un papel sobre el
> futuro (entonces) de las computadoras. Dije que no, que no iban a
> sobrevivir. Una característica que yo puse es que nunca una computadora iba
> a tomar el mismo papel que un trabajador humano.
Pues, sería una pena si solamente el ordenador tomaría el MISMO papel
que un trabajador humano. Justamente, es el problema en la mayoria de
los casos. Por eso la productividad no aumenta tanto como podría, y
por eso tenemos todavia que ir a trabajar en lugar de quedarse en la
playa.
> Y... ¡Jajjaaa!! ¡Me equivoqué por completo! Hoy en día las computadoras son
> más y más substitutas del hombre. No digo que piensen o que amen... Pero
> que montones de masa obrera humana sucunben para dejar paso a una computer.
> Jode.
>
> A este paso, ¿nos vamos a quedar sin trabajos?? ¿qué va a pasar en un
> futuro próximo cuando más y más computadoras nos reemplacen a los humanos??
Para saber lo, leer: http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm
--
__Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/
"Logiciels libres : nourris au code source sans farine animale."
RafaMinu
http://www.allrobotradio.com/arr/images/podcast_images/robot%20with%20chick.jpg
A mi lo que me da miedo es esto:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/0610_050610_robot.html
o esto
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200605/kt2006050417203910160.htm
Ahora imaginate cual va a ser el principal uso en el futuro de esas
robots sexy.
Te das cuenta, la gente no va mantener relaciones personales, porque
les resultara mas comodo quedarse en casa y programar al androide/a a
su gusto.
Y luego apareceran casos de humanos encontrados muertos en sus
domicilios tras un fallo de programacion del androide/a que se estuvo
follando al humano/a, durante 5 dias, sin que nadie pudiera pararlo,
hasta que llego al extasis mortal. Se lo encontraron to chupaito, sin
ningun fluido ya, y la androide encima, pidiendo mas y mas y mas ...
RafaMinu
ElGaucho wrote:
> Recuerdos, recuerdos. La Amiga falló porque no era ni una cosa ni la otra.
El Amiga no falló, lo hundieron.
> Pero era 'fun', eso sí. Yo todavía recuerdo los tiempos de Intellivision,
> luego el Vic20, Commodore64, y claro, el juego aquel de tenis en la TV con
> una pelotita y dos barras que se movían de arriba a abajo. Plink plink plink
> plink plink plink
Como te atreves a hablar del Amiga en esos terminos?
Como osas compararlo con el tennisball ese?
El Amiga tenia (y tiene) juegos como:
Sensible World Of Soccer
Settlers, The
Civilization
Monkey Island
Lemmings
Elite 2 'Frontier'
Wings
Myst
Cannon Fodder,
etc, etc, etc,
Ademas de las aplicaciones mas innovativas que puedas inaginar en todos
los campos de computacion.
LightWave
http://www.newtek.com/lightwave/
Video Toaster
http://www.answers.com/topic/video-toaster
Tambien tiene unos de los usuarios mas experimentados y fanaticos que
puedas encontrar en ningun OS. Si yo fuera tu , pediria disculpas a la
comunidad amiguera por la ofensa, y rezaria para que las aceptaran, a
riesgo de ser objetivo de la furia descontrolada de algun hacker con
ganas de que le den una excusa para desahogarse...
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/A/Amiga-Persecution-Complex.html
Recuerdo uno de ellos que habia desarrollado un virus que hacia que los
monitores de las computadoras salieran ardiendo e incluso explotaran,
cambiando la frecuencia de actualizacion a valores prohibitivos.
Asi que ya sabes, pide perdon y clemencia, y hazles alguna donacion via
PayPal o algo asi, como gesto de arrepentimiento y buena voluntad...
P.S.
Amigas were used in some NASA laboratories to keep track of multiple
low orbiting satellites, as recently as 1999.
Amigas are still used in many theme park installations, mainly at
Universal Studios in Hollywood and Florida and Disney World.
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Viva Amiga
Simply the Best
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ElGaucho
"RafaMinu" <rafa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Asi que ya sabes, pide perdon y clemencia, y hazles alguna donacion via
PayPal o algo asi, como gesto de arrepentimiento y buena voluntad...
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Carámba!
Por supuesto que pido humildemente clemencias de los amigos de la Amiga.
Está de más decir que fue un ejemplo de diseño.
No tuve ninguna intención de insultar a esa fiel compañera de vuestras
excelencias.
Mil perdones.
Pero digan la verdad, Uds también: Amiga, sí, de todos. Flor de puta que
era esa chancha y se las tragaba en series de 1111111's
Mis saludos y mi sincero arrepentimiento.
Oscar
PS: Puta y no muy cara tampoco. Bastante baratieri la tipa.
RafaMinu
televisión, ¡Alo presidente!, unas declaraciones sorprendentes: El
gobierno de la Republica Bolivariana de Venezuela va a crear una
empresa para fabricar "Computadoras Bolivarianas", se llamará
Industrias Tecnológicas de Venezuela en asociación con la compañía
china de tecnología Lang Chao International Ltd.
http://spanish.engadget.com/2005/10/04/venezuela-construira-computadoras-bolivarianas/2/
En mi humilde opinion, el sistema Operativo ideal sería el Amiga.
Es rebelde, es efectivo, es rápido, prefiere la imaginación sobre la
fuerza, tiene nombre hispano y pese a todas las fuerzas del mal aún
sobrevive.
Y el hardware me atreveria a decir que también (tras unas cuantas
actualizaciones, ya han pasado unos añitos).
Creo que la última vez se vendia la compañía por unos 7 millones $
(un chollo)
Aqui le dejo mi dirección por si necesitan a un director de
operaciones para levantar el Amiga y conquistar el mundo con un
ordenador hispano (lo tengo todo planeado, je, je, je)
Todavía estoy esperando, seguramente aún estén estudiando los
aspectos tésnicos de la propuesta
Begoluna
> Begoluna <beg...@no.spam> writes:
>> A este paso, ¿nos vamos a quedar sin trabajos?? ¿qué va a pasar en un
>> futuro próximo cuando más y más computadoras nos reemplacen a los
> Para saber lo, leer: http://marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm
Cuando yo era pequeña venían a casa los cobradores, esas personas con
uniforme, que venían a coger el dinero (nada de cheques ni tarjetas
bancarias entonces, sino pesetas contantes y sonantes) con que pagar la
luz, el agua, etc.
Hoy en día, entramos a la página web de internet de nuestro banco y desde
allí pagamos todos los biles, sin dinero en efectivo, simplemente haciendo
transferencia. Cuando nuestra chequera está a $0 (que es muy corriente), :-
D entonces el pago se transmite automáticamente con crédito y no débito.
Usea, que somos unos morosos. :-)
La putada es que no hay "toque humano". Como en las llamadas por teléfono:
-¡¡¡Riiiiiinggg, riiiinggg!! (el contestador automático lo coge a los dos
ringes exactamente).
-¡Bienvenido al servicio de llamada de la tienda Blabliblú! Si quiere hacer
un pago, presione el número 1 de su teléfono; para oir cuánto debe,
presione el 2; para empezar a comprar, el 3; para acabar de comprar, el 4;
si está a mediocomprar, el 5; si ya ha cantado bingo, el 6; si no quiere
esperar, el 7; si quiere esperar, el 8; si no está seguro, el 9; para estas
instrucciones en francés, el 10; si usted es sordo, el 11; si es tonto, el
12...
¡¡¡Vayaaa, por fín!! :-D
12... ¡Riiiing, riiinggg!!!
-¡Bienvenido al servicio de telefonía de Blablibú para gente idiota! Si
usted es de nacimiento, pulse el 1; si lo es por parte de madre, el 2; si
nosotros le volvemos así, el tres...
3... ¡Riiiing, riiiing!!!
:-D
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Begoluna
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Begoluna
> http://www.allrobotradio.com/arr/images/podcast_images/robot%20with%20c
> hick.jpg
Cuando yo estudié mi business, entonces había el "secretary pool" que era
un conjunto de secretarias (generalmente todas chicas) en una oficina,
todas mecanografiando en esas máquinas que había que darle al ¿carrete? al
¿manubrio? no me acuerdo... Selectric, Remington eran marcas que yo usé.
Otras estaban tomando el dictado: El jefe les dictaba la carta mientras la
secretaria la mecanografiaba (yo tomé tres cursos y no me acuerdo del
galamatías chino ese, peor que leer los posts del Pirata) y luego el jefe
la firmaba cómodamente. O el jefe podía grabar su dictado y luego la
secretaria ponía la cinta (nada de CD ni de ROMs) en una maquineta que
avanzaba (fast-forward) o retrocedía (rewind) con un pedal en el suelo que
la secretaria activaba con su lindo pie.
¡Qué tiempos! Hoy en día, el mismo jefe puede tipear la carta; el corrector
de textos y otros porgramas se la embellecen y, con un toque de tecla, se
la e-mailea al otro jefe de la otra compañía, quien no necesita de chicos
carteros que le repartan los sobres, ni de amables secretarias que con un
abrecartas les abran y lean la correspondencia.
¿Qué va a pasar con la figura de secretaria?? Las de las películas de
JoliGaucho, todas son delgaditas, putoncetas, con tacones altos ¡y hasta
fuman!! :-D Si la tele tuviera perfume, yo diría que huelen como a Chanel
#5, que es la que usa Gurriato.
Sigo en otro post contestando a Rafamenos... que no me gustan laaaargos
(los posts, me refiero).
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Begomona
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Begoluna
> A mi lo que me da miedo es esto:
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/06/0610_050610_robot.html
¿Una muñeca te da miedooo?? :-D Bueno, chico, pues vete a jugar con tus
camioncitos... Mira, yo ya estoy acostumbrada. De pequeña tenía una Nancy,
que la vendían con vestiditos aparte. Me pregunto si la robota esa viene
con ropa extra o si hay que comprarle en Macy's.
Protesto: ¿Por qué no la han puesto goooorda, madura y fea?? :-D
> o esto
> http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200605/kt2006050417203910160.htm
¡Otra moña!! ¡Una androide (o será mujeroide)! No te preocupes, Rafamano,
que si te dan miedo las muñecas no tienes por qué jugar con ellas. A lo
mejor Gurriato les encuentra un uso divertido y luego te convence... :-D
> Ahora imaginate cual va a ser el principal uso en el futuro de esas
> robots sexy.
¡Jejejee!! ;-)
> Te das cuenta, la gente no va mantener relaciones personales, porque
> les resultara mas comodo quedarse en casa y programar al androide/a a
Y/o/u tener relaciones por internet, como muuucha gente hace. En un futuro
imagino las relaciones así, sin humanidad y sin amor. Los niños se
fabricarán en probeta o se clonarán, con lo que solucionaremos el problema
de descendencia. Quién sabe, hasta alterando los genes podemos tener una
niña que se parezca a la sexy robot de turno, es decir, a la ¿madre? :-D
> Y luego apareceran casos de humanos encontrados muertos en sus
> domicilios tras un fallo de programacion del androide/a que se estuvo
> follando al humano/a, durante 5 dias, sin que nadie pudiera pararlo,
Para el Gauchito eso es poco. :-D
> hasta que llego al extasis mortal. Se lo encontraron to chupaito, sin
> ningun fluido ya, y la androide encima, pidiendo mas y mas y mas ...
Pues sí, me puedo reir, pero tus experi.. tus ideales digo, tienen un
fundamento para lo que va a ser el sexo del futuro. Del futuro próximo.
Pluscuamperfecto de modo indicativo. 8-)
Digo que sí, que parece ser que estamos com-puta-teta-rizando nuestras
relaciones personales y más personales demasiao. ¡Todo sea por el
progreso!! :-D
Rafa: ¡Estas robotas sí que se podrían llamar Amiga, o Amiguita!! :-D
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Begomoon
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Begoluna
> Lemmings
¡Ah, sí los monitos esos que se multiplicaban!! ¡Ya ni me acuerdo en qué
consistía el juego!! :-D
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Begoluna
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ElGaucho
"Begoluna" <beg...@no.spam> wrote in message
news:mISdnbXpapGru7zYnZ2dnUVZ_t-
> Cuando yo estudié mi business, entonces había el "secretary pool" que era
> un conjunto de secretarias (generalmente todas chicas) en una oficina,
> todas mecanografiando en esas máquinas que había que darle al ¿carrete? al
> ¿manubrio? no me acuerdo... Selectric, Remington eran marcas que yo usé.
> Otras estaban tomando el dictado: El jefe les dictaba la carta mientras la
> secretaria la mecanografiaba (yo tomé tres cursos y no me acuerdo del
> galamatías chino ese, peor que leer los posts del Pirata) y luego el jefe
> la firmaba cómodamente. O el jefe podía grabar su dictado y luego la
> secretaria ponía la cinta (nada de CD ni de ROMs) en una maquineta que
> avanzaba (fast-forward) o retrocedía (rewind) con un pedal en el suelo que
> la secretaria activaba con su lindo pie.
> ¡Qué tiempos! Hoy en día, el mismo jefe puede tipear la carta; el
> corrector
> de textos y otros porgramas se la embellecen y, con un toque de tecla, se
> la e-mailea al otro jefe de la otra compañía, quien no necesita de chicos
> carteros que le repartan los sobres, ni de amables secretarias que con un
> abrecartas les abran y lean la correspondencia.
> ¿Qué va a pasar con la figura de secretaria?? Las de las películas de
> JoliGaucho, todas son delgaditas, putoncetas, con tacones altos ¡y hasta
> fuman!! :-D Si la tele tuviera perfume, yo diría que huelen como a Chanel
> #5, que es la que usa Gurriato.
La secretaria va a quedar, por supuesto, si la chica es simpática, y
Dioslibriguarde!
Te olvidastes otras cosas que hacen las secretarias que las hacen
imprescindibles:
- Preparan tu café o té
-Te avisan cuando uno se olvida de comer.
- Corrigen faltas de estilo. Es decir, si ellas no entienden tu
correspondencia, o cuando uno se pone cargoso con lo que escribe, ellas te
lo dicen.
- Lo más importante: Al informarte de una corrección o cuando te consultan
con un papel, se te ponen cerquita del cuerpo, y apoyan sus ...senos..sobre
tu brazo, o sobre el hombro. O si estás sentado, te hacen "piernita".
Y eso es lo que da ánimo para tener un buen día en el trabajo. Todo debido a
la presencia de una secretaria.
¿Una computadora que las remplace? Ha! Yo preferiría hacerme el burro.
Ni loco.
ElGaucho
"Begoluna" <beg...@no.spam> wrote in message
>> Y luego apareceran casos de humanos encontrados muertos en sus
>> domicilios tras un fallo de programacion del androide/a que se estuvo
>> follando al humano/a, durante 5 dias, sin que nadie pudiera pararlo,
>
> Para el Gauchito eso es poco. :-D
¡Pero mire quien habla! ¿Cuántas veces te encontraron a vos con las manos
pegadas a tu vibrador porque ya te había hecho como mil cortocircuitos, y
vos diciendo "y ya que está ahí, no"?
A mí no me verás nunca nunca nunca montado por arriba o por abajo en ninguna
de esas porquerías...Claro, que si veo algún modelo que se parezca a
Shakira, tatetranqui que me convierto en otro "desaparecido", y que me echen
los galgos. "Adios mundo cruel, y con mucho placer"
Oaa
Begoluna
> Cuando yo estudié mi business, entonces había el "secretary pool" que
> era un conjunto de secretarias (generalmente todas chicas) en una
> oficina, todas mecanografiando en esas máquinas que había que darle al
> ¿carrete? al ¿manubrio? no me acuerdo... Selectric, Remington eran
Aclaro que nunca trabajé así como pinto. Mis trabajos de secretaria se
limitan a voluntaria en una biblioteca y también voluntaria en un teléfono
con ¡diez líneas! :-D
También he sido cajera. Pero nunca he hecho cajas. :-D
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Begomona
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Begoluna
> Te olvidastes otras cosas que hacen las secretarias que las hacen
> imprescindibles:
> - Preparan tu café o té
> -Te avisan cuando uno se olvida de comer.
> - Corrigen faltas de estilo. Es decir, si ellas no entienden tu
> correspondencia, o cuando uno se pone cargoso con lo que escribe,
> ellas te lo dicen.
>
> - Lo más importante: Al informarte de una corrección o cuando te
> consultan con un papel, se te ponen cerquita del cuerpo, y apoyan sus
> ...senos..sobre tu brazo, o sobre el hombro. O si estás sentado, te
> hacen "piernita".
¡Eso lo puede hacer también la RR (Robota de Rafamenos)! La de Gurriato no
llega a esa calidad: es una mera hinchable. :-D
> Y eso es lo que da ánimo para tener un buen día en el trabajo. Todo
> debido a la presencia de una secretaria.
Pues no hay nada mejor y más acojedor que una persona que te reciba a las
puertas de un local, sobretodo si nunca has estao allí. Alguien a quien
preguntarle, con quien incluso conversar de lo que venga...
¿Te imaginas un diálogo con esa Roboteta??
BL-¡Hooola, soy la Bego!!
RR-¡Bienvenida Doña Bego! ¡Un placer saludarla!!
BL-Déjate de bienvolguteríos y de usteríos. Trátame de tú.
RR-¡Como quieras! ¡Bienvenida Bego! ¡Un pl..
BL-Dije que me trataras de tú, no que me rererepitieras el santo
mensajejejee de bienvolgutería que tu amo Rafamenos te ha implantao en las
tetas.
RR-(Se queda muda...)
BL-¡Pero, háblame, coñazo!! Te dije que no te me rererepitieras, no que te
quedaras muda...
RR-¡Bienvenida Bego¡ ¡Un p...
BL-¡Un p... uto robot eres tú! ¿Que no sabes hacer lo que te digo: que me
saludes, que no me ustees, que me tutees, que no me rererepitas?? ¡A ver si
te ponen otro disco!! :-D
> ¿Una computadora que las remplace? Ha! Yo preferiría hacerme el burro.
> Ni loco.
Las ventajas de las máquinas es que a la larga resultan más económicas que
pagarle el sueldo a un humano, que no hay que pelear con ellas, que son la
envidia, que no hay que pagarles seguros, que no hay que darles tiempo
libre para comer, ni vacaciones...
La putada es cuando cortan la electricidad... o las baterías se acaban. :-D
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Begomoon
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ElGaucho
"Begoluna" <beg...@no.spam> wrote in message
> BL-¡Pero, háblame, coñazo!! Te dije que no te me rererepitieras, no que te
> quedaras muda...
> RR-¡Bienvenida Bego¡ ¡Un p...
¡¡BI-RI-BI-RI-BI-RI!!
¿Te acordás de aquel robot que hablaba así?
> Las ventajas de las máquinas es que a la larga resultan más económicas que
> pagarle el sueldo a un humano, que no hay que pelear con ellas, que son la
¿Para qué hacer economías por un lado y después andar buscando una
"secretaria" para 'otras cosa's por otro? Hay que ser muy pánfilo para
hacer eso, especialmente cuando uno ya tiene el paquete pronto.
> La putada es cuando cortan la electricidad... o las baterías se acaban.
> :-D
Eso justo, que uno no puede acabar tranquilamente .....con su trabajo.
Begoluna
> ¡¡BI-RI-BI-RI-BI-RI!!
>
> ¿Te acordás de aquel robot que hablaba así?
Sí: Lost in Space.
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Biribego
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Clockmeister
"Begoluna" <beg...@no.spam> wrote in message
This conversation doesn't belong in the Amiga newsgroups so would you stop
crossposting this gobbledygook please.
RafaMinu
It's Spanish for Friend.
Now if there are so many peple like you who relate the computer you use
to a gobbledygook, no wonder it is in such a terrible state...
Amiga will be Spanish in the near future, so start learning to live
with it...
Clockmeister
"RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159878286.9...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Do you know what Amiga means?
It's Spanish for Friend.
Female friend specifically.
Now if there are so many peple like you who relate the computer you use
to a gobbledygook, no wonder it is in such a terrible state...
Amiga will be Spanish in the near future, so start learning to live
with it...
These are English speaking newsgroups so you don't get to change that fact
any time soon.
Clockmeister
"Begoluna" <beg...@no.spam> wrote in message
De taal van de derde wereld is hier niet welkom.
RafaMinu
Headquarters...
Clockmeister
Don't come around looking for a job later at the Spanish Amiga
Headquarters...
Don't you think the Amiga brand has been mismanaged enough already?
Begoluna
CockMaster,
Hey, qué have you called me?? :-D
What the hook? 8-)P Oh la vache!! I thought that RaphaMinus se refería a
moi con lo de "I miss my Amiga (i.e. me)". :-D I speak Spanglish, and yo no
comprendo half of your amenos posts, neither nor or I have the knowledge
como para understand computadoras. 8-(
Sorry! I wo... shall not crossputaing--unless is relevante! Mis
condolences!
=.=.=.=.=.==.=
Mrs. Begomoon
=.=.=.=.=.=.==
Sam Smith
news:1159917860.7...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>Spain: rank 9
>Netherlands: rank 13
>You loose, MORON. Next time think twice before talking bad of your
>betters. Now FOAD.
Inferiority complex alert.
---
Sam
Clockmeister
"neoholistic" <neoho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159917860.7...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Clockmeister ha escrito:
Spain has become third world all of a sudden? Wow, speak of surprises.
(OK, the south is pretty bad - but every house has a dark corner).
For your information, moron, Spain beats the Netherlands in both
quality of life
and economic importance. Look here:
The Economist Intelligence Units worldwide quality-of-life index 2005:
http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/QUALITY_OF_LIFE.pdf
Spain: rank 10
Netherlands: rank 16
The Spanish are happier with less is what that shows, not that the Spanish
actually have a higher quality of life.
Nation Master, list by economic importance:
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/graph/eco_eco_imp-economy-economic-importance&nofb=1
Spain: rank 9
Netherlands: rank 13
Considering the size of the Netherlands that is quite remarkable. Imagine
how high the Netherlands would rank if it were the size of Spain.
You loose, MORON. Next time think twice before talking bad of your
betters. Now FOAD.
Yeah, you can pull any statistic out of thin air to support any point of
view, but having travelled both places I can tell you that living standards
in the Netherlands are certainly higher then in Spain and not only that,
modern civilised societies do not tolerate bullfighting and other acts of
blatant animal cruelty as entertainment.
You should be ashamed to be Spanish.
Clockmeister
"Sam Smith" <b...@bobinogs.bob> wrote in message
news:efvvke$d9a$1$8300...@news.demon.co.uk...
Quite...
RafaMinu
Clockmeister wrote:
> Yeah, you can pull any statistic out of thin air to support any point of
> view, but having travelled both places I can tell you that living standards
> in the Netherlands are certainly higher then in Spain and not only that,
ignorant tourist
> modern civilised societies do not tolerate bullfighting and other acts of
> blatant animal cruelty as entertainment.
Instead, they invade other countries to steal their natural resources,
killing people and recreating in acts of blatant cruelty towards the
civilian population.
I'll stick to bullfighting, thankyou.
> You should be ashamed to be Spanish.
Compared to you i'm quite proud, really, it's not just talking...
People like you have no place in the near-to-come Amiga future.
The Amiga is going to be a symbol of multi-culture and tolerance and
we're not interested in having bigots like you in our forces.
You are pre-emptively FIRED
Now go and get some old PC and stick it up urs
You are the En-Amigo...
Clockmeister
>
> Clockmeister wrote:
>> Yeah, you can pull any statistic out of thin air to support any point of
>> view, but having travelled both places I can tell you that living
>> standards
>> in the Netherlands are certainly higher then in Spain and not only that,
> Living standards are measured in other terms than just the view of an
> ignorant tourist
Exactly, so how much time did you spend in the Netherlands to make you an
expert?
>> modern civilised societies do not tolerate bullfighting and other acts of
>> blatant animal cruelty as entertainment.
> Instead, they invade other countries to steal their natural resources,
> killing people and recreating in acts of blatant cruelty towards the
> civilian population.
The Spanish have done plenty of that too in history.
> I'll stick to bullfighting, thankyou.
Yes, like the barbaric culturally backward third world apologist that you
are.
>> You should be ashamed to be Spanish.
> Compared to you i'm quite proud, really, it's not just talking...
Proud of being a barbaric culturally backward third world apologist, well
that speaks volumes.
> People like you have no place in the near-to-come Amiga future.
> The Amiga is going to be a symbol of multi-culture and tolerance and
> we're not interested in having bigots like you in our forces.
You are the bigot speaking Spanish in a English speaking forum, not me.
> You are pre-emptively FIRED
> Now go and get some old PC and stick it up urs
> You are the En-Amigo...
>
If the Amiga wasn't doomed before it certainly is now with supporters like
you.
If you weren't such an ignorant fool you would know that I have done more in
support for the Amiga community then you ever will.
RafaMinu
neoholistic wrote:
> In my experience, many Amiga bigots^W fans are quite keen on
> technotalk.
> Not that I have anything against that myself.
U bet...
> But the reason the Amiga is in such a terrible state (is it really,
> this days,
> after the new PPC Amiga motherboards/systems and the Pegasos?) has
> little to do with that. Rather, it's mostly the same reason some other
> equally
> fantastic machines failed, despite being a lot better than the
> mainstream
> systems of their day: they were too ahead of their time when they were
> introduced, and after a few years, they couldn't compete anymore when
> mainstream systems were becoming faster and cheaper.
Too true...
> Other systems that bit the dust: the NeXT (far more sophisticated than
> the Amiga - a lot more expensive as well),
And a lot slower as well
> the Inmos transputers, the
> BeBox,
> the Alpha, and recently, the Silicon Graphics systems (killed by the
> hordes
> of ultra-fast, ultra-cheap 3D accelerators from ATI & nVidia).
Are you completely sure of that statement?
> They were all too cool to survive in this world of cheap, disposable
> clone peecees.
Oh, I see where u leading now...
But still there's hope for the Amiga.
There are several niches that could be filled, such as portable
video-editing...
> > Amiga will be Spanish in the near future, so start learning to live
> > with it...
> >
>
> (@ Rafa) Unlikely.
I'm positive about that.
20 years from now, people will read this post and will be amazed of the
accuracy of my predictions...
> > These are English speaking newsgroups
>
> Really? Well, that must be what it looks like at your end, but in fact
> I'm reading this from a Spanish-speaking newsgroup.
> Methinks there's quite some cross-posting going on.
Me don't even know which groups i reply to...
I try to be consistent though and only write about subjects related to
each group, as it is the present case, where I put forward the idea of
acquiring the almost dead Amiga and resurrect it into a more friendly
spanish environment.
RafaMinu
neoholistic wrote:
> Now, let's kill this OT thread. It contributes nothing to an Amiga
> newsgroup.
Oh, but it does...
I think in fact its quite revealing.
It shows why the Amiga, thanx to bigots like you, never made it.
Microsoft and the others quicly learnt that you have to service the
customer, no matter where he might have come from, whereas the Amiga
fanatic assholes like yourself, expected the customer to adapt to the
computer, because you were oh so brilliant, so "cool" and the system
was so amazing that everybody would flock to buy one of those
incredible machines...
15 years later, people like you keep trying to feel superior to the
rest of the world, and really, you are just PATHETIC.
You don't deserve to be called an Amigo, and the Amiga deserves so much
better than you...
RafaMinu
porque no entiendes su idioma.
Ya se que es un English-Speaking group, pero yo estaba humildemente
intentando promocionar una computadora que era la hostia y hacer un
poco de marketing a un mercado potencial ...
Pero con los morones estos no hay manera, yo me he chupao unas cuantas
Ferias de Amiga, ya me los conosco...
Y eso es lo que les falla a estos estupidos, el PR, cosa que Microsoft
con un hard y un soft manifiestamente inferior, supo aprovechar
excelentemente.
Yo si he trabajado muchos años con el Amiga, para TV y demas, y
mencantaba. Era un placer trabajar con el, super-rapido y hacia cosas
que hoy dia se toman por novedad...
Me jode mucho que haya acabado ansin...
neoholistic wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> RafaMinu ha escrito:
> Rafa, no te líes, yo no soy amiguero (desgraciadamente esa plataforma
> se
> hallaba totalmente fuera de mi alcance a finales de los 80 o principio
> de los
> 90). Siempre fue una de mis plataformas favoritas (nunca tuve uno, pero
> llegué a 'probarlos' y flipé), pero no soy de esos que van por ahí
> tratando de
> convertir al personal en plan evangelizador. Además yo soy más del
> mundo
> Unix.
>
> En cuanto a lo de "PATHETIC", lo tomaré como una opinión (total,
> comparado
> con las cosas que me han llegado a decir, eso no es ná).
>
> Pos eso. Hala, ta otra.
RafaMinu
Have you ever heard about PR?
If properly developed can rocket a company, if not, it can doom the
best of products...
rber...@value.net
> Alguien se acuerda del Amiga, aquel ordenador con nombre español?
> Nada que ver, lo del nombre español, era lo mejor del mundo, lo echo
> de menos...
>
> http://www.amiga.org/
Buenas tardes, Senor. Un dia voy a visitar su pais hermoso (en
2008?), las ciudades como Madrid o Valencia. Estoy muy feliz que hay
personas que usan la computadora Amiga en su pais. Tambien tengo mucho
entusiasmo por la computadora Commodore, como PET, VIC-20, C64, etc..
Vengan con nosotros de FCUG al
Vintage Computer Festival 9.0
Nov. 4-5,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
Hank
>Yo le mande un mensaje a Hugo Chávez, quien hizo en su programa de
>televisión, ¡Alo presidente!, unas declaraciones sorprendentes: El
>gobierno de la Republica Bolivariana de Venezuela va a crear una
>empresa para fabricar "Computadoras Bolivarianas", se llamará
>Industrias Tecnológicas de Venezuela en asociación con la compañía
>china de tecnología Lang Chao International Ltd.
>http://spanish.engadget.com/2005/10/04/venezuela-construira-computadoras-bolivarianas/2/
>
>En mi humilde opinion, el sistema Operativo ideal sería el Amiga.
>Es rebelde, es efectivo, es rápido, prefiere la imaginación sobre la
>fuerza, tiene nombre hispano y pese a todas las fuerzas del mal aún
>sobrevive.
>
>Y el hardware me atreveria a decir que también (tras unas cuantas
>actualizaciones, ya han pasado unos añitos).
>Creo que la última vez se vendia la compañía por unos 7 millones $
>(un chollo)
>Aqui le dejo mi dirección por si necesitan a un director de
>operaciones para levantar el Amiga y conquistar el mundo con un
>ordenador hispano (lo tengo todo planeado, je, je, je)
>
>Todavía estoy esperando, seguramente aún estén estudiando los
>aspectos tésnicos de la propuesta
English ONLY in this newsgroup please!
RafaMinu
Encantado de conocerte. No conozco mucho del Commodore, pero si un poco
del Amiga.
Aqui en España no quedan muchos usuarios de Amiga, aunque esto
seguramente cambiaria si hubiera mas personas como Ud.
Puede contactarme a traves de mi perfil, y si viene a España sera un
placer invitarle a un vaso de vino y charlar.
Un amigable saludo,
RafaMinu
You should ban all those Amiga products for having a spickish name...
you bigot .
Maese Fernando
RafaMinu wrote:
> Yo le mande un mensaje a Hugo Chávez, quien hizo en su programa de
> televisión, ¡Alo presidente!, unas declaraciones sorprendentes: El
> gobierno de la Republica Bolivariana de Venezuela va a crear una
> empresa para fabricar "Computadoras Bolivarianas", se llamará
> Industrias Tecnológicas de Venezuela en asociación con la compañía
> china de tecnología Lang Chao International Ltd.
> http://spanish.engadget.com/2005/10/04/venezuela-construira-computadoras-bolivarianas/2/
>
> En mi humilde opinion, el sistema Operativo ideal sería el Amiga.
Chavez es un pedorro que y ano sabe qué más hacer para dilapidar el
erario público venezolano. Lo único que le faltaba era meterse en la
cama con un muerto, el Amiga.
PS El mejor ordeñador fue la Lisp Machine de Symbolics. He dicho.
Maese Fernando
Clockmeister wrote:
> >
> > También he sido cajera. Pero nunca he hecho cajas. :-D
> >
>
> De taal van de derde wereld is hier niet welkom.
En alt.usage.spanish se habla en la lengua de Cervantes. Esos
farfullares estrafalarios resérvelos usted para alt.usage.klingon o lo
que sea.
Gracias.
Maese Fernando Alvarez de Toledo, Gran Duque de Alba
Clockmeister wrote:
> The Spanish have done plenty of that too in history.
Your ass still aching?
RafaMinu
Maese Fernando wrote:
> Chavez es un pedorro que y ano sabe qué más hacer para dilapidar el
> erario público venezolano. Lo único que le faltaba era meterse en la
> cama con un muerto, el Amiga.
A mi me da igual, mientras suelte los petrodolares para resucitar el
Amiga
> PS El mejor ordeñador fue la Lisp Machine de Symbolics. He dicho.
Lisp on the Amiga es un proyecto que ya hemos contemplado.
It remains to be seen if they will end up as simply a footnote in the
history of Lisp, or if they will continue to evolve and their best
ideas live on as an integral part of future commercial computer
hardware.
http://www.sts.tu-harburg.de/~r.f.moeller/symbolics-info/symbolics.html
Clockmeister
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Sam Smith ha escrito:
> insulting
> remark (did you actually read what the arsehole wrote? 'The language of
> thirld-worlders isn't welcome here').
>
> An insult like this I would have taken better, probably, coming from
> someone
> from, say, Denmark, or Sweden, but certainly not from someone from the
> Netherlands, the reason for that being exposed in the (independent and
> verifiable) facts I showed. Not that I have anything against the
> country,
> mind you, _quite the opposite_ in fact.
>
> However, both his insult and my reply (as well as this one) are
> completely
> off-topic in an Amiga group, so I won't be contributing to this thread
> anymore.
> Usenet is cluttered enough already as it is.
>
I don't have anything against Spain, far from it because I have been there
twice and loved it.
What I had a problem with was people speaking Spanish in an English speaking
group.
My efforts in getting you to speak English weren't in vain.
Clockmeister
"Maese Fernando Alvarez de Toledo, Gran Duque de Alba" <isc...@hotmail.com>
wrote in message
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>
> Clockmeister wrote:
>
>> The Spanish have done plenty of that too in history.
>
>
> Your ass still aching?
>
It never did.
Clockmeister
Sure, but how are you going to talk up the Amiga since it has nothing going
for it?
Hardly anybody remembers it so there is virtually no residual value and
presently Amiga offers nothing that would attract new users.
Gateway attracted plenty of initial interest in the Amiga from the press but
as usual backed it up with nothing and in the end all they achieved was loss
in existing users that were simply fed up with the BS.
It all lead to the situation we have currently of virtually no development,
users or hardware.
As it stands, it's a dead platform.
Clockmeister
"Maese Fernando" <isc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Clockmeister wrote:
Well stop crossposting then and you won't see my messages.
Look at where you are posting to FFS.
Clockmeister
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Clockmeister ha escrito:
>
>> "neoholistic" <neoho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1159917860.7...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> Clockmeister ha escrito:
>
>
>> view, but having travelled both places I can tell you that living
>> standards
>> in the Netherlands are certainly higher then in Spain
>
> certainly, some things are a lot better in the Netherlands than they
> are here (one example: education).
>
> I never said the Netherlands wasn't a good country (it is). I just
> meant to
> say that your insulting comment lacks any ground.
>
>> and not only that,
>> modern civilised societies do not tolerate bullfighting and other acts of
>> blatant animal cruelty as entertainment.
>>
>
>
> a) "Modern civilised societies" do tolerate plenty of blatant cruelty
> against both human and non-human animals.
Some do, sure, but they cannot call themselves truly modern or civilised if
they do.
Two wrongs don't make a right. All acts of animal cruelty should be
banished, certainly.
> b) Spain isn't the only country in Europe that (still) practices
> bullfighting
> (think France, for example).
They don't stab the animals, they place markers on them instead. Nice try,
but no cigar.
RafaMinu
it to Third World Spanish countries to see if I may arouse some
interest in some Venezuelan or Cuban White Knights?
You'll never know...
Clockmeister
> Well, since it is a dead platform, would you mind if I try to promote
> it to Third World Spanish countries to see if I may arouse some
> interest in some Venezuelan or Cuban White Knights?
> You'll never know...
There is nothing to loose, so please do.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck.
Neil O'Rourke
"RafaMinu" <rafa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Tim Rue
> Well, since it is a dead platform, would you mind if I try to promote
> it to Third World Spanish countries to see if I may arouse some
> interest in some Venezuelan or Cuban White Knights?
> You'll never know...
maybe I'm missing something.
Do you know of a large store of Amigas or something?
If not then what is the point pf promoting something that doesn't really
exist for the general public?
On the other hand you might find AROS interesting and worth promoting
http:/www.aros.org
Robert Bernardo
> Well, since it is a dead platform...
Muerto? Realmente, no! Porque nosotros recordamos las ventajas
de Amiga en nuestros corazones. El 21 de octubre, hay el AmiWest Show
( http://www.sacc.org ) en Sacramento, California, E.U., y por supuesto,
voy a asistir con los otros aficionados de la computadora Amiga (y
Commodore)... los aficionados que creen que Amiga vive.
RafaMinu
computer factory and electrical appliance plants in the South American
nation.
No investment figures were provided but the Venezuelan president said
that the computers would be sold in the domestic market and exported to
the Caribbean and South America.
http://www.ciol.com/content/news/2005/105041104.asp
So, we already have the factory and assembly plant.
We have an eye cast on AROS, don't you worry...
RafaMinu
It's also quite beneficial to the Brain's Right Hemisphere.
RafaMinu
otras computadoras puedan presumir.
Un abrazo, amigo.
Clockmeister
"Robert Bernardo" <rber...@iglou.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.61.0610060207580.21167@shell1...
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, RafaMinu wrote:
>
>> Well, since it is a dead platform...
>
> Muerto? Realmente, no!
Realmento actuelo.
You of all people should know better then to speak Spanish in an English
speaking group, Robert.
Clockmeister
"RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It can entertain you...
In what way that a $100 laptop can't?
> It's also quite beneficial to the Brain's Right Hemisphere.
Howso?
ElGaucho
"Clockmeister" <whow...@andwhy.com> wrote in message
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Y'know? You're one of the very few who keep on bitching about the use of
Spanish in this forum dedicated to the Amiga, while others either know the
language or they try to understand it. What is it that makes this group
English-only? Just because you don't like it? As I see it, you're just
talking about a computer with owners located far and wide, who may speak in
any language they please. Your complaining is marking you as a bigot with no
manners bothering me with senseless crap of no use whatsoever.
Oaa
Earle Horton
group", or shut up.
Saludos,
Earle
Earle Horton
> Venezuela has signed agreements with Chinese companies to build a
> computer factory and electrical appliance plants in the South American
> nation.
> No investment figures were provided but the Venezuelan president said
> that the computers would be sold in the domestic market and exported to
> the Caribbean and South America.
> http://www.ciol.com/content/news/2005/105041104.asp
If they don't run Windows, Mac, Linux or something more or less universal,
these computers will be useless for point-of-sale, banking, medicine,
science or anything that people actually care about. I expect that they
will all run pirated Windows systems, like 99% of the computers in China,
but I doubt that Microsoft will turn the same blind eye to these hijinx in
the Caribbean, as they do to the Chinese now.
>
> So, we already have the factory and assembly plant.
> We have an eye cast on AROS, don't you worry...
"We"? Which one are you, Rafa, ¿chino o venezolano? ¿Por qué no les
enseñan a los caribeños interlingua o esperanto en lugar de inglés, para
acabar con la dependencia de los demonios norteamericanos?
Saludos,
Earle
RafaMinu
Clockmeister wrote:
> "RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160122778....@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> > It can entertain you...
>
> In what way that a $100 laptop can't?
since you turn in on to have a working desktop. A cold reboot that
fixes most problems takes that much too.
The less time wasted the most enjoyable your computing experience will
be.
But there's something else, i'll give you a real-life example. I've
used a lot an Amiga software called Scala that was simply great. It was
mainly used in TV stations and Ad Agencies for making Headers,
Backgrounds or inserting type into the screen with a genlock. It was
simple to use, but yet very powerful and fast, a truly Amigan piece of
Magic.
After a few years, Scala ported the software to Windows, and made a new
version called Scala InfoChannel, which was almost identical to the
Amiga one.
I've worked with both versions, in different computers, and it's not
the same. At first I thought it was me, fanatic idiot who couldn't
appreciate the goods of PC's. But I realized that it happened to more
people.
Simply put: Given the same set of software and similar o superior
hardware, you have a great time in front of the Amiga and get bored in
front a Windoze.
Same thing happens with Photoshop, a Mac program, that when used on a
Windows platform, it just doesn't feel the same, and again is not just
me.
Why does this happen?
Because when you work on the Amiga or a Mac you use your Right
Hemisphere...
> > It's also quite beneficial to the Brain's Right Hemisphere.
>
> Howso?
This is the ad welcoming IBM personal computing market:
"Welcome, IBM. Seriously. Welcome to the most exciting and important
marketplace since the computer revolution began 35 years ago. And
congratulations on your first personal computer. Putting real computer
power in the hands of the individual is already improving the way
people work, think, learn, communicate, and spend their leisure hours.
Computer literacy is fast becoming as fundamental a skill as reading or
writing. When we invented the first personal computer system, we
estimated that over 140,000,000 people worldwide could justify the
purchase of one, if only they understood its benefits. Next year alone,
we project that well over 1,000,000 will come to that understanding.
Over the next decade, the growth of the personal computer will continue
in logarithmic leaps. We look forward to responsible competition in the
massive effort to distribute this American technology to the world. And
we appreciate the magnitude of your commitment. Because what we are
doing is increasing social capital by enhancing individual
productivity. Welcome to the task. Apple."
http://www.macmothership.com/gallery/newads2/seriouslyIBM_l.jpg
Apple was in facto welcoming IBM to Right Hemisphere Computing. Up to
then computers were dark monsters that could only be programmed from
the Left Hemispher.
Howevver IBM and the rest didn't quite grasp the concept, and instead
tried and succesfully copied the most flashy features of both the Amiga
and MacOS, but leaving aside the original idea, which was no other than
Humanistic Computing.
And as of today, Left Hemisphere supporters have overwhelmingly won the
battle, and so we have slooooooowww computers that do about the same
things than 10 years ago and bore you to death...
Earle Horton
turns on your right hemisphere, while I have turned on my left one by
sitting down in front of this PC?
What about the idea that a synthetic language like Spanish turns on your
left hemisphere, forcing you to apply for example concordance to every word
and mood to every verb, and making you use awkward relative clauses because
you are not flexible enough to imagine an infinitive or a gerund with a
subject? It is an analogue of the PC, because it relies on antiquated
logical structures that constrain the right brain creativity that every
English thinker takes for granted. This makes about as much sense as your
right brain Amiga argument.
Saludos,
Earle
"RafaMinu" <rafa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clockmeister
"Earle Horton" <anglocap...@usa.com> wrote in message
news:452676c6$0$11315$a82e...@reader.athenanews.com...
There are language specific newsgroups and unless otherwise noted the
default is English.
These Amiga groups were set up by English speaking people after all.
If I came to your country should I except everyone to speak English or
should I try to fit in knowing what the default language in your country is?
Show some netiquette FFS.
RafaMinu
Earle Horton wrote:
> So you're saying that simply sitting down in front of an Amiga or a Mac
> turns on your right hemisphere, while I have turned on my left one by
> sitting down in front of this PC?
> What about the idea that a synthetic language like Spanish turns on your
> left hemisphere, forcing you to apply for example concordance to every word
> and mood to every verb, and making you use awkward relative clauses because
> you are not flexible enough to imagine an infinitive or a gerund with a
> subject? It is an analogue of the PC, because it relies on antiquated
> logical structures that constrain the right brain creativity that every
> English thinker takes for granted. This makes about as much sense as your
> right brain Amiga argument.
Yes, you're right, I thought you were kidding me before.
It's kind of difficult to be creative being within such an strict wire
frame as it is Spanish.
But we are talking about formal Spanish, if you ever seen a Flamenco
session, it's obvious that is an activity that has to be done
necessarily with the Right Hemisphere
RafaMinu
Clockmeister wrote:
> There are language specific newsgroups and unless otherwise noted the
> default is English.
>
> These Amiga groups were set up by English speaking people after all.
>
> If I came to your country should I except everyone to speak English or
> should I try to fit in knowing what the default language in your country is?
It could be argued that since the Amiga belongued to a German company
once, then German could be used as well...
Clockmeister
>
> Clockmeister wrote:
>> "RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1160122778....@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> > It can entertain you...
>>
>> In what way that a $100 laptop can't?
> For one thing is a fast computer. By fast i mean it takes 8 seconds
> since you turn in on to have a working desktop. A cold reboot that
> fixes most problems takes that much too.
I would rather have a longer bootup and a more useful system since I don't
spend much time rebooting Windows.
> The less time wasted the most enjoyable your computing experience will
> be.
> But there's something else, i'll give you a real-life example. I've
> used a lot an Amiga software called Scala that was simply great. It was
> mainly used in TV stations and Ad Agencies for making Headers,
> Backgrounds or inserting type into the screen with a genlock. It was
> simple to use, but yet very powerful and fast, a truly Amigan piece of
> Magic.
It sure *was*. It's hopelessly outdated now though.
> After a few years, Scala ported the software to Windows, and made a new
> version called Scala InfoChannel, which was almost identical to the
> Amiga one.
> I've worked with both versions, in different computers, and it's not
> the same. At first I thought it was me, fanatic idiot who couldn't
> appreciate the goods of PC's. But I realized that it happened to more
> people.
> Simply put: Given the same set of software and similar o superior
> hardware, you have a great time in front of the Amiga and get bored in
> front a Windoze.
There are better options for Windows then using a poor Scala port.
> Same thing happens with Photoshop, a Mac program, that when used on a
> Windows platform, it just doesn't feel the same, and again is not just
> me.
> Why does this happen?
> Because when you work on the Amiga or a Mac you use your Right
> Hemisphere...
Nonsense. You use the tool best suited to get the job done and right now
that isn't the Amiga.
Rubbish.
An artist simply buys the best brush for the job, he doesn't let the brush
dictate what he can and can't do.
The Amiga hasn't been the brush of choice for many, many years now.
Earle Horton
>
> "Earle Horton" <anglocap...@usa.com> wrote in message
> news:452676c6$0$11315$a82e...@reader.athenanews.com...
> > "Clockmeister" <whow...@andwhy.com> wrote in message
> > news:12ichm4...@corp.supernews.com...
> >>
> >> "Robert Bernardo" <rber...@iglou.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Pine.GSO.4.61.0610060207580.21167@shell1...
> >> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, RafaMinu wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Well, since it is a dead platform...
> >> >
> >> > Muerto? Realmente, no!
> >>
> >> Realmento actuelo.
> >>
> >> You of all people should know better then to speak Spanish in
> >> an English speaking group, Robert.
> >>
> > Post a link to your newsgroup charter that says "English
> > speaking only group", or shut up.
> >
>
> There are language specific newsgroups and unless otherwise
> noted the default is English.
If you were interested in enforcing this you would have a charter or a FAQ
posted somewhere. Most of the group charters I have seen say something like
"English is the primary language but posting in other languages is allowed"
if they even mention it at all. I pulled the following off Google Groups.
It appears to be the charter for comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
----------------------
> From l...@genbank.bio.net Fri Aug 2 01:09:06 1991
> Path: rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!ucselx!bionet!lear
> From: l...@genbank.bio.net (Eliot)
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.ctl,control
> Subject: newgroup comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
> Date: 8 Jan 91 08:43:02 GMT
> Control: newgroup comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
> Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.ctl
> Organization: GenBank Online Service
> Lines: 16
> Approved: l...@genbank.bio.net
>
> This group wsa passed by vote (625-207) on December 16, 1990. It is
> part of the great comp.sys.amiga reorganization.
>
> NAME: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
> CHARTER: The large number of long lasting threads about "here's
> why the Amiga is better than Brand W (and vice
> versa)"; "here's what the other folks are doing and
> how the Amiga compares"; "why doesn't the Amiga have
> this Brand-X computer feature", "Commodore should add
> feature Y (at no additional cost)", "Commodore should
> recall everything and fix problem Z", benchmarks
> comparing Amigas to Amigas and to other platforms;
> rumors, (lack of) marketing complaints and suggestions
> for new ads, and general "do it better" ranting go
> here.
> MODERATED: NO
>
----------------------
Note carefully the part where it says "MODERATED: NO". You don't have any
right to attempt to control what people post here.
>
> These Amiga groups were set up by English speaking people
> after all.
This argument makes no sense at all.
>
> If I came to your country should I except everyone to speak
> English or should I try to fit in knowing what the default language
> in your country is?
You live in my country and you expect everyone to speak English here. You
should try to fit in more. ;^)
Saludos,
Earle
>
> Show some netiquette FFS.
>
>
Clockmeister
That German company didn't set up these groups, English speaking people did.
Clockmeister
It's a statement of fact.
There are language specific groups for example the de. Amiga groups.
>>
>> If I came to your country should I except everyone to speak
>> English or should I try to fit in knowing what the default language
>> in your country is?
>
> You live in my country and you expect everyone to speak English here. You
> should try to fit in more. ;^)
>
You don't even know where I live.
ElGaucho
>> If I came to your country should I except everyone to speak
>> English or should I try to fit in knowing what the default language
>> in your country is?
> You live in my country and you expect everyone to speak English here. You
> should try to fit in more. ;^)
Good one, Earle, with that chart (I didn't even know there'd be such a thing
for NG's in open fora). And I just can't understand the arrogance of this
guy. Maybe he thinks it's a group made for need-to-know's... or something
like Made in the USA for USA only citizens, not open for international
visitors "Trespassers will be shot"
Weird
Regards,
Oscar
Clockmeister
"ElGaucho" <ga...@vcn.bc.ca> wrote in message
news:eg6ok6$n60$1...@luna.vcn.bc.ca...
It's funny that certain cultures think it's OK to speak in their own tongue
even when they are living in someone elses country.
I'm not surprised then that they think it's ok to do that here too.
It's rude and poor netiquette whether you accept that little fact or not, it
still stands.
ElGaucho
"Clockmeister" <whow...@andwhy.com> wrote in message
>> Weird
>
> It's funny that certain cultures think it's OK to speak in their own
> tongue even when they are living in someone elses country.
Think for a moment what you're saying, man. That's quite a sweeping
statement, don't you think ? Whatever language people choose to use they do
have the right to do so, at least, 'twas so last time I was in the US. Now,
to communicate publicly, or in certain groups then, of course, English is
the language of the USA.
But you're here! Writing in a public AND international forum about a
something that may has and will have always international input. What is it
you can't understand?. Open group, open subject, open language. Open your
mind. Period.
> I'm not surprised then that they think it's ok to do that here too.
> It's rude and poor netiquette whether you accept that little fact or not,
> it still stands.
Rude and ill-mannered, insolent and arrogant are your words, implying that
the group belongs to you, or that it is some kind of priviledge reserved for
the US participants only.
What do you think you are?
Clockmeister
>
> "Clockmeister" <whow...@andwhy.com> wrote in message
>
>>> Weird
>>
>> It's funny that certain cultures think it's OK to speak in their own
>> tongue even when they are living in someone elses country.
>
> Think for a moment what you're saying, man. That's quite a sweeping
> statement, don't you think ? Whatever language people choose to use they
> do have the right to do so, at least, 'twas so last time I was in the US.
Not if they use it exclusively in someone elses country that does not speak
their language and they expect other to bend to suit them.
Now,
> to communicate publicly, or in certain groups then, of course, English is
> the language of the USA.
Not just the US, English is a world language.
> But you're here! Writing in a public AND international forum about a
> something that may has and will have always international input. What is
> it you can't understand?. Open group, open subject, open language. Open
> your mind. Period.
But you're the one excluding the native English speakers that have always
frequented this group.
Worse, these same people seem to speak English well enough that they really
have no excuse to do so.
>> I'm not surprised then that they think it's ok to do that here too.
>
>> It's rude and poor netiquette whether you accept that little fact or not,
>> it still stands.
>
> Rude and ill-mannered, insolent and arrogant are your words, implying that
> the group belongs to you, or that it is some kind of priviledge reserved
> for the US participants only.
>
> What do you think you are?
I'm neither American or live in the US and English is my second language.
I don't expect people in this group to have to learn my native language
since this is a long established English language forum set up initially by
native English speakers.
If I went to an esp. or de. group I would not expect them to speak English
or my native tongue either.
Bernd Felsche
German, English and speakers of other language voted for the
comp.sys.amiga.* split around 1990. They commented, contributed and
voted in English.
That could have been because they familiarised themselves with
established netiquette.
Wikipedia perpetuates some stuff (as well as getting a lot wrong).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette
The essential statement is
"on Usenet it is conventional to write in standard English"
Regional and language-specific newsgroups are provided for
discussions in languages other than English.
--
/"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia
\ / ASCII ribbon campaign | "Laws do not persuade just because
X against HTML mail | they threaten."
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RafaMinu
Clockmeister wrote:
> "RafaMinu" <rafa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1160168418.2...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Clockmeister wrote:
> >> "RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1160122778....@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >> > It can entertain you...
> >>
> >> In what way that a $100 laptop can't?
> > For one thing is a fast computer. By fast i mean it takes 8 seconds
> > since you turn in on to have a working desktop. A cold reboot that
> > fixes most problems takes that much too.
>
> I would rather have a longer bootup and a more useful system since I don't
> spend much time rebooting Windows.
> > The less time wasted the most enjoyable your computing experience will
> > be.
> > But there's something else, i'll give you a real-life example. I've
> > used a lot an Amiga software called Scala that was simply great. It was
> > mainly used in TV stations and Ad Agencies for making Headers,
> > Backgrounds or inserting type into the screen with a genlock. It was
> > simple to use, but yet very powerful and fast, a truly Amigan piece of
> > Magic.
>
> It sure *was*. It's hopelessly outdated now though.
It's maybe outdated if you're planning to run your own server.
For anything else is more than adequate...
> > After a few years, Scala ported the software to Windows, and made a new
> > version called Scala InfoChannel, which was almost identical to the
> > Amiga one.
> > I've worked with both versions, in different computers, and it's not
> > the same. At first I thought it was me, fanatic idiot who couldn't
> > appreciate the goods of PC's. But I realized that it happened to more
> > people.
> > Simply put: Given the same set of software and similar o superior
> > hardware, you have a great time in front of the Amiga and get bored in
> > front a Windoze.
>
> There are better options for Windows then using a poor Scala port.
Here is a link to the poor Scala port:
http://www.scala.com/
Please tell me about better options in Windows for Digital Signage,
Dynamic Signage, Narrowcasting, Datacasting, Digital In-Store
Merchandising, Electronic Display Networks, Retail TV, Employee TV,
Captive Audience Networks, Out-of-Home Media Networks, Digital Media
Networks, Electronic Billboards or any of the other terms out there
today...
> > Same thing happens with Photoshop, a Mac program, that when used on a
> > Windows platform, it just doesn't feel the same, and again is not just
> > me.
> > Why does this happen?
> > Because when you work on the Amiga or a Mac you use your Right
> > Hemisphere...
>
> Nonsense. You use the tool best suited to get the job done and right now
> that isn't the Amiga.
Again, it's quite adecuate for most tasks
A real artist would LOVE the Amiga
> The Amiga hasn't been the brush of choice for many, many years now.
I was hoping for some kind of intelligent arguments...
No such luck, so far...
RafaMinu
I don't mind people speaking other languages any place they like.
Here we are, hugging each other across the Atlantic thanx to the Amiga,
and meanwhile it seems that you're only purpose in life is to make sure
that no one speaks a language you don't understand...
...and also to make completely clear that the Amiga is hopelessly dead.
What's the farting problem with you, man?
Are you maybe upset or something worse we don't care about?
Well, why don't you try to stick up your finger up your anus and push
hard? It will provide you with some temporary relief...
Clockmeister
>
> Clockmeister wrote:
>> "RafaMinu" <rafa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1160168418.2...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Clockmeister wrote:
>> >> "RafaMinu" <rafa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1160122778....@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > It can entertain you...
>> >>
>> >> In what way that a $100 laptop can't?
>> > For one thing is a fast computer. By fast i mean it takes 8 seconds
>> > since you turn in on to have a working desktop. A cold reboot that
>> > fixes most problems takes that much too.
>>
>> I would rather have a longer bootup and a more useful system since I
>> don't
>> spend much time rebooting Windows.
> Lucky you. Me and everybody else I know have to do regular reboots...
I average once every three weeks, and that is by choice. Are you still using
Win95 or something?
You're not limited to just one OS when using a PC in any case, there are
plenty of options there.
>> > The less time wasted the most enjoyable your computing experience will
>> > be.
>> > But there's something else, i'll give you a real-life example. I've
>> > used a lot an Amiga software called Scala that was simply great. It was
>> > mainly used in TV stations and Ad Agencies for making Headers,
>> > Backgrounds or inserting type into the screen with a genlock. It was
>> > simple to use, but yet very powerful and fast, a truly Amigan piece of
>> > Magic.
>>
>> It sure *was*. It's hopelessly outdated now though.
> It's maybe outdated if you're planning to run your own server.
> For anything else is more than adequate...
Nope, why do you think Scala for the Amiga is no longer supported?
>> > After a few years, Scala ported the software to Windows, and made a new
>> > version called Scala InfoChannel, which was almost identical to the
>> > Amiga one.
>> > I've worked with both versions, in different computers, and it's not
>> > the same. At first I thought it was me, fanatic idiot who couldn't
>> > appreciate the goods of PC's. But I realized that it happened to more
>> > people.
>> > Simply put: Given the same set of software and similar o superior
>> > hardware, you have a great time in front of the Amiga and get bored in
>> > front a Windoze.
>>
>> There are better options for Windows then using a poor Scala port.
> Here is a link to the poor Scala port:
> http://www.scala.com/
>
> Please tell me about better options in Windows for Digital Signage,
> Dynamic Signage, Narrowcasting, Datacasting, Digital In-Store
> Merchandising, Electronic Display Networks, Retail TV, Employee TV,
> Captive Audience Networks, Out-of-Home Media Networks, Digital Media
> Networks, Electronic Billboards or any of the other terms out there
> today...
Have fun explaining why no one is using Scala anymore if it's still the best
tool out there in your opinion.
>> > Same thing happens with Photoshop, a Mac program, that when used on a
>> > Windows platform, it just doesn't feel the same, and again is not just
>> > me.
>> > Why does this happen?
>> > Because when you work on the Amiga or a Mac you use your Right
>> > Hemisphere...
>>
>> Nonsense. You use the tool best suited to get the job done and right now
>> that isn't the Amiga.
> Again, it's quite adecuate for most tasks
Nope, it's hopelessly inadequate for most tasks.
Even the simplest programs for DVD editing and browsing the web are
hopelessly inadequate on Amiga.
List the "real" artists using the Amiga today as their principle machine
then and if they're not using the Amiga, why aren't they?
>> The Amiga hasn't been the brush of choice for many, many years now.
> I was hoping for some kind of intelligent arguments...
There is no arguement since there are virtually no Amiga users left... they
have all found better tools elsewhere.
You can't even buy a new Amiga anymore FFS...
Clockmeister
> Is it really that rude?
Yes it is.
> I don't mind people speaking other languages any place they like.
Netiquette does.
> Here we are, hugging each other across the Atlantic thanx to the Amiga,
> and meanwhile it seems that you're only purpose in life is to make sure
> that no one speaks a language you don't understand...
> ...and also to make completely clear that the Amiga is hopelessly dead.
It's fine as a hobby machine and most remaining users would happily
acknowledge that, but to suggest that the Amiga is still a viable
alternative is silly.
> What's the farting problem with you, man?
> Are you maybe upset or something worse we don't care about?
> Well, why don't you try to stick up your finger up your anus and push
> hard? It will provide you with some temporary relief...
>
It's clearly worked wonders for you, but all the same I will give it a miss.
Earle Horton
esas tías no sepan ningún romance. Aunque las lenguas suenan a los gritos
de una banda de babuinos que se reunen al borde de la sabana, la ortografía
les es bastante fácil a los hablantes del inglés, del que la mitad de las
palabras son de origen latín.
Respecto a la hegemonía, cuando estuve en España me irritaban los carteles
en todas partes que se quejaban de la hegemonía de Microsoft y MacDonalds,
como si fuera una ofensa dirigida a la gente pura y inocente de España. Si
la Amiga hubiera triunfado en el mercado en lugar de Microsoft, esos
carteles hubieran quejado de "Amiga Diabla" o algo semejante. Se quejan de
la hegemonía americana, que es por parentesco hegemonía anglosajona. Hacen
caso omiso de la hegemonía mundial de la que los españoles gozaban durante
los Siglos XVI y XVII. Si hacemos hegemonía, la habremos aprendido de
vosotros, quienes la habréis aprendido de Roma. Esa hegemonía es como un
juguete que los niños se quitan, el uno del otro en su turno. Cualquier
niño que no tenga el juguete reluciente en este momento instante se queja de
la inmoralidad del otro en tenerlo.
Saludos,
Earle
"RafaMinu" <rafa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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RafaMinu
The Amiga is more than adecuate for handling those tasks.
You're not limited to just one OS when using an Amiga in any case,
there are plenty of options out there. You could, for example, install
Linux, and have OpenOffice running...
Yes, sure it will be a bit difficult to make Star Wars V, but not
impossible.
Remember Terminator, special effects made with LightWave on the Amiga?
http://www.newtek.com/lightwave/
Anyway, I rather watch an old Disney movie or The Simpsons.
The Amiga would be one of the most appropiate tools for producing those
kind of animations...
An artist doesn't need speed, on the contrary he wants a quiet and
creative environment that breeds inspiration. Just the opposite of a
Windows machine that bores you to death.
Clockmeister
> Most common uses for computers is Internet and Word Processing.
> The Amiga is more than adecuate for handling those tasks.
No it isn't. Amiga browsers are almost useless and there are no word
processors that offer industry standard compatibility or capability.
> You're not limited to just one OS when using an Amiga in any case,
> there are plenty of options out there. You could, for example, install
> Linux, and have OpenOffice running...
You may as well use a much cheaper and faster PC if you wanted to do that
and besides, support and develpment of Linux on Amiga is lagging behind by
years which means I doubt OpenOffice even works on Amiga.
> Yes, sure it will be a bit difficult to make Star Wars V, but not
> impossible.
> Remember Terminator, special effects made with LightWave on the Amiga?
> http://www.newtek.com/lightwave/
>
Ancient history. Lightwave on Amiga is no longer supported, nor is the
hardware that was used back in those days.
> Anyway, I rather watch an old Disney movie or The Simpsons.
> The Amiga would be one of the most appropiate tools for producing those
> kind of animations...
Nope, too slow to be viable and there is no support for the Amiga on any
level even if you wanted to do that.
> An artist doesn't need speed, on the contrary he wants a quiet and
> creative environment that breeds inspiration. Just the opposite of a
> Windows machine that bores you to death.
Nope, a good artist isn't restricted by the tools he uses and so none use an
Amiga anymore.
RafaMinu
outdated.
The truth is that I still have to watch an animation movie as good as
the old Disney ones.
And it is also a fact that all the commercial japanese crap that
inundate the market today is made with the fastest PC's running the
latest software. And what do you get? Rubbish.
Here you can find a more than decent Amiga Internet browser.
And it is being updated too.
As for word processors, too many good ones to list here.
Go to Aminet and take your pick:
http://www.aminet.net/tree.php?path=text
And Lightwave on the Amiga is not Ancient History. It is happening
today, and it is being used to produce commercials, render complex and
realistic objects and animation movies.
Here:
http://www.intuitionbase.com/waveguide/home.html
Clockmeister
> Yeah, right, and no one uses pencil and paper anymore because it is
> outdated.
>
> The truth is that I still have to watch an animation movie as good as
> the old Disney ones.
> And it is also a fact that all the commercial japanese crap that
> inundate the market today is made with the fastest PC's running the
> latest software. And what do you get? Rubbish.
What about Shrek 1and Shrek 2, Ice Age 1 and 2, Chicken Little, Garfield 1
and 2, Chicken Run, etc etc etc were rubbish? You're insane if you think
so..
> Here you can find a more than decent Amiga Internet browser.
> And it is being updated too.
It's hopelessly inadequate compared to even the most modest browsers
available on Windows and MacOS.
> As for word processors, too many good ones to list here.
> Go to Aminet and take your pick:
> http://www.aminet.net/tree.php?path=text
Outdated and unsupported and certainly lacking in industry standard features
and compatibility.
> And Lightwave on the Amiga is not Ancient History. It is happening
> today, and it is being used to produce commercials, render complex and
> realistic objects and animation movies.
> Here:
> http://www.intuitionbase.com/waveguide/home.html
Bullshit, lightwave on Amiga is used for amateur projects at best.
List those that use Lightwave *on Amiga* comercially today... bet you can't.
bobbie sellers
> Yeah, right, and no one uses pencil and paper anymore because it is
> outdated.
>
> The truth is that I still have to watch an animation movie as good as
> the old Disney ones.
> And it is also a fact that all the commercial japanese crap that
> inundate the market today is made with the fastest PC's running the
> latest software. And what do you get? Rubbish.
Then you haven't seen "Spirited Away" and are not entitled to
speak about Japanese animation work. And the parts of SA that
people assume were computer mediated were not. All the important
stuff and the most beautiful parts of this fable were done by the
the old-fashioned cel and paint system. My favorite Japanese
animations (aka anime) were done in the old fashioned way and suffer
a bit from comparison with modern shows done by artists using
computers but I still watch them though they are old enough
to vote.
Anyone who wants to know more about anime can read rec.arts.anime.misc
a group that carries plenty of traffic and on which every month The
Anime Primer is published in 6 parts or you can visit
<http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/primer/> to view the latest
version.
As for the Amiga, it is yesterday and though I still use it
for my email and news, my friends who are artists have moved on.
I had to buy a Windows© machine so that I could view sites which
hang Flash animations on their front pages.
I would switch to Linux but it ain't so easy without a
broadband connection.
I got interested in anime by the way after the Amiga was
stuck with the latest group of exploiters.
Bad joke: Missing your Amiga? Try a shotgun or telescopic
sight on your rifle. Be sure the Amiga is clamped down so it
cannot escape.
I don't miss my Amiga, I just switch it on every morning.
later
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I've given up the search for reality(actually found as much
as I could handle in 69 years); now I'm just looking for a good
fantasy. Found it at: Maison Ikkoku Central
<http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1914/micntral.html>
RafaMinu
I thought you would mention Toy Story or The Incredibles, I'd go for
that kind of movies
But still, in my humble opinion, not as good as the old hand-made
stuff.
My theory is that they spent more time creating them and there were
more people involved in the process.
They would have loved to have had an Amiga, BTW, even an A-500.
Here are a couple of decent Amiga web browsers:
IBrowse
http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/
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Earle Horton
Earle
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RafaMinu
But it was subsequently treated with an experimental "filmizing"
process, to give the illusion that it was shot on film. This technique
has since become common on British comedy and drama series, with
varying acceptance by fans. It was also applied to series 1 and 2 for
their "re-mastered" re-releases, but this, along with the models being
replaced with CGI, prove unpopular with the fans, and has been dropped
for subsequent video/DVD re-issues."
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Earle Horton
handmade cardboard space ships in the original series, but then they went
back and rereleased them with computer graphics.
Earle
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Clockmeister
> No Clockmeister, no, those are bad examples of good animation movies.
Nope, they are excellent examples that were hugely popular and funny and
well done.
> I thought you would mention Toy Story or The Incredibles, I'd go for
> that kind of movies
Those are good too, but they weren't made with Amiga's either.
> But still, in my humble opinion, not as good as the old hand-made
> stuff.
Hand made stuff didn't need to involve computers at all.
> My theory is that they spent more time creating them and there were
> more people involved in the process.
They spent more time because they had to spend more time, not because they
wanted to provided that is the case.
> They would have loved to have had an Amiga, BTW, even an A-500.
Nonsense. Name one animated film that used an A500.
>
> Here are a couple of decent Amiga web browsers:
>
> IBrowse
> http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/
>
> AWeb
> http://aweb.sunsite.dk/
>
They both are too limited to be useful and development is so slow that
jk...@hotmail.com
> It's Spanish for Friend.
Actually, it means GIRLFRIEND
> Now if there are so many peple like you who relate the computer you use
> to a gobbledygook, no wonder it is in such a terrible state...
>
> Amiga will be Spanish in the near future, so start learning to live
> with it...
>
GefioNorse
Correkto...
Me like Amiga Computer and Amiga GirlFriend,
because I am bi-sesuar and bi-platform independent...
Amiga was German, BTW, don't you ever forget that...
Clockmeister
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>> Do you know what Amiga means?
>> It's Spanish for Friend.
>
> Actually, it means GIRLFRIEND
>
Well, not girlfriend perse as it implies certain things in the English
language. Female friend is more accurate.