Etymology (or whatever) of AUEers' names
Solo Thesailor
information about the dead after they were long gone (or praising them
and expressing love when they can no longer hear it). I thought I'd
ask this while you're alive and well.
Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity or,
surely, have stories behind them.
What does 'the Omrud' mean? Yes, I've searched but.... What's
the story behind choosing that name? Similarly for 'Father
Ignatius', 'Wood Avens', 'rzed', TakenEvent', 'Sea
Wasp', 'Kip ...', etc. Why 'In bocca al Lupo!' (beyond...
'In the mouth of the wolf' and 'Good Luck', although no
explanation in reference to 'nel bocca d'al lupo')? Similarly
stories/origins of real or real-like names. One can search piecemeal
but the information is often scant, scattered and incomplete, and
generally non-existent regarding _the story behind_ the name or
attributes.
In the AUEers' record, apart from birthdays etc, would it not be of
interest, particularly in this place of learning (and
entertainment...;-)...), if a column is provided specifically for
etymology (or whatever better word) for those who choose to to write
something?
Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
rzed
news:1159274636.4...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> Oftentimes we spend a lot of effort searching scant records for
> information about the dead after they were long gone (or
> praising them and expressing love when they can no longer hear
> it). I thought I'd ask this while you're alive and well.
>
> Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
> or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity
> or, surely, have stories behind them.
>
> What does 'the Omrud' mean? Yes, I've searched but.... What's
> the story behind choosing that name? Similarly for 'Father
> Ignatius', 'Wood Avens', 'rzed',
Umm... Speaking only for myself, the story is not the kind to base
a book on. I initially used "-RZ" as a screen name until Donna
asked how I expected it to be pronounced. I couldn't answer that,
so I changed to "rzed", just my initials run together. Since I am
a USAian, "zed" is not normally the way I'd spell the letter "Z",
but at the time I was working with a colleague who habitually
called me Dr. Zed for reasons of his own, and I guess it stuck.
So there you are. I don't expect to see that back story on a best-
seller list anytime soon.
[...]
--
rzed
... soon to be a Major Motion Picture!
the Omrud
> Oftentimes we spend a lot of effort searching scant records for
> information about the dead after they were long gone (or praising them
> and expressing love when they can no longer hear it). I thought I'd
> ask this while you're alive and well.
>
> Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
> or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity or,
> surely, have stories behind them.
>
> What does 'the Omrud' mean? Yes, I've searched but.... What's
> the story behind choosing that name?
I'm flattered to be at the top of your list of queries.
--
David
=====
Tony Cooper
<notforspa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What does 'the Omrud' mean? Yes, I've searched but.... What's
>the story behind choosing that name? Similarly for 'Father
>Ignatius', 'Wood Avens', 'rzed', TakenEvent', 'Sea
>Wasp', 'Kip ...', etc.
Since the "Kip" who posts here cross-posts from another group and may
not read this..."Kip" can be a standard first name given to the person
by his parents. Or, it can be a nickname. It is not a common first
name, but it is seen. See: http://www.its.caltech.edu/~kip/ for
someone who was probably given the name by his parents.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Lars Eighner
the lovely and talented Solo Thesailor broadcast on alt.usage.english:
> In the AUEers' record, apart from birthdays etc, would it not be of
> interest, particularly in this place of learning (and
> entertainment...;-)...), if a column is provided specifically for
> etymology (or whatever better word) for those who choose to to write
> something?
I'm at something of a disadvantage here in that I post with the name by
which I am generally known. "Lars" is a nickname adopted in the late 1970s
at the suggestion of secretary in a small social service agency for which I
worked. I was one of two Larrys in the agency, we did not have an intercom,
most incoming calls were for one of the Larrys, and reducing the confusion
helped save the secretaries voices (as paging consisted of shouting down
long corridors and stairwells). One source on North American surnames
claims "Eighner" means "freeholder."
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
Let deeds match words. --Platus * * * Let words match deeds --Lars
tinwhistler
Solo Thesailor wrote:
> Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
> or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity or,
> surely, have stories behind them.
I may not be included among the "esteemed," but FWIW:
"Tinwhistler" is my way of identifying with the narrator in this poem
by Sir J C Squire:
Now am I a tin whistle
Through which God blows,
And I wish to God I were a trumpet --
But why, God only knows.
My real name, which is included in my full e-mail address that AUEers
can access, is Ozzie Maland. "Ozzie" is short for Ozyvort -- a little
rhyme there. (Light verse is a heavy favorite with me.) I was a
lawyer in Chicago before moving to San Diego in 1990.
John Dean
> Solo Thesailor wrote:
>
>> Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
>> or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity or,
>> surely, have stories behind them.
>
> I may not be included among the "esteemed," but FWIW:
>
> "Tinwhistler" is my way of identifying with the narrator in this poem
> by Sir J C Squire:
>
> Now am I a tin whistle
> Through which God blows,
> And I wish to God I were a trumpet --
> But why, God only knows.
>
> My real name, which is included in my full e-mail address that AUEers
> can access, is Ozzie Maland.
Look upon my works Ye mighty and despair? *That* Ozzy Maland?
--
John Dean
Oxford
LaReina del Perros
Unless you tell them.
Hatunen
They still won't *know* it.
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hat...@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
> On 26 Sep 2006 05:43:56 -0700, "Solo Thesailor"
> <notforspa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >What does 'the Omrud' mean? Yes, I've searched but.... What's
> >the story behind choosing that name? Similarly for 'Father
> >Ignatius', 'Wood Avens', 'rzed', TakenEvent', 'Sea
> >Wasp', 'Kip ...', etc.
>
> Since the "Kip" who posts here cross-posts from another group and may
> not read this..."Kip" can be a standard first name given to the person
> by his parents. Or, it can be a nickname.
Once "Kip" and "Kit" were normal nicknames for "Christopher", but
"Chris" seems to have mostly displaced them.
> It is not a common first
> name, but it is seen. See: http://www.its.caltech.edu/~kip/ for
> someone who was probably given the name by his parents.
Sea Wasp (Ryk Spoor) was also posting from another group. If I
remember correctly, he's said something about his nickname in
rec.arts.sf.written. By the way, I enjoyed /Boundary/, his sf novel in
collaboration with Eric Flint, though I believe it was aimed at readers
somewhat younger than me.
--
Jerry Friedman
Mike Lyle
Hatunen wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:09:42 -0700, LaReina del Perros
> <cor...@katamail.com> wrote:
>
> >On the Internet, they don't know you're a dog.
> >
> >Unless you tell them.
>
> They still won't *know* it.
I've sometimes wondered if there's anything important to be deduced
from whether a poster uses a pseudonym or his or her real name. I've
decided that for the most part there isn't: I don't work for anybody
big any more, so there's no reason for me not to use my real name --
and when I did, I didn't say much that could have caused trouble. I
don't mind being looked up in the telephone book, but it's perfectly
reasonable for another person not to want it. (After remarks by one
poster, who doesn't seem to be with us at present, I generally avoided
mentioning too-specific details about my family -- I recommend this
degree of caution, as there are some very nasty characters out there.)
Where I do know the real name of a pseudonymous poster, I wouldn't
dream of using it on Usenet: this even applies, I think, to pseudonyms
of people who formerly posted under real names (but only broadly: Hi,
RF!).
What's mildly interesting, though, is the illocutionary force of some
names. If a screen name includes the name of a god, or a famous person,
or something royal or aristocratic such as "king", "queen", or "lord",
or something notionally powerful such as the name of a weapon or a
radioactive element, then you can be reasonably sure the person is a
clown. When a name contains something would-be-kewl, such as "dude" or
"chick", you know that the person is either another idiot or a
foreigner who doesn't grok the system, or both. When it includes
unintelligible strings of letters or numbers, it's either a loony or
somebody harmless from China.
--
Mike.
Tony Cooper
wrote:
>I've sometimes wondered if there's anything important to be deduced
>from whether a poster uses a pseudonym or his or her real name.
I chose my first "screen name" when I started on AOL. The "213" in my
screen name/e-mail addy was the result of "tonycooper" and "acooper"
already being used, so I went with "acooper213". The numbers were
just chosen at random.
I don't remember for sure, but I don't think sig lines spelling out
the name or location were used with AOL.
A. Gwilliam
> When it
> includes unintelligible strings of letters or numbers, it's either a
> loony or somebody harmless from China.
I love the contrast! {grin}
--
A. Gwilliam
To e-mail me, replace "bottomless_pit" with "devnull"
tinwhistler
John Dean wrote:
> Look upon my works Ye mighty and despair? *That* Ozzy Maland?
I used to be called Ramses II, but Percy Bysshe Shelley was a
vegetarian.
Gerrit Tijink
> claims "Eighner" means "freeholder."
Dutch: Eigenaar=Owner
"Lars Eighner" <use...@larseighner.com> schreef in bericht
news:slrnehicf7...@goodwill.larseighner.com...
R H Draney
>
>What's mildly interesting, though, is the illocutionary force of some
>names. If a screen name includes the name of a god, or a famous person,
>or something royal or aristocratic such as "king", "queen", or "lord",
>or something notionally powerful such as the name of a weapon or a
>radioactive element, then you can be reasonably sure the person is a
>clown.
Help me out here...is a doctor (or a doctah) "notionally powerful"?...I was
given the nickname by business colleagues in recognition of a knack for
problem-solving, with perhaps some suggestion of either this man:
http://www.kasterborus.com/tardis/4/dr4_9.jpg
or this one:
http://www.danhart.net/demento.jpg
I try to diffuse whatever semblance of notional power the title suggests by
keeping my signature to a single letter, lowercase, and more often than not
*not* on a line by itself....r
--
"Screwing Type Gloomy - Giant Swing" --- Gloomy makes your world turn
around! Watch out for this charming toy teddy-bear that amazes you with
his agile walking skills through a special wind-up mechanism. Enjoy the
joyful company of this active playing wonder right away!
Maria
>
> In the AUEers' record, apart from birthdays etc, would it not be of
> interest, particularly in this place of learning (and
> entertainment...;-)...), if a column is provided specifically for
> etymology (or whatever better word) for those who choose to to write
> something?
Example, please....?
--
Maria
AUE: http://www.familyhomefront.net/BirthdaysEtcAUE.html
OR: http://tinyurl.com/j4j8n
There's only one 'n' in my email address, and it's not in my first name.
Robert Lieblich
I've had a number of epithets assigned to me by others during my
sojourn here in the friendly confines of AUE. They include "The
Cocker Spaniel" (D. Hencer Sp*nes), "Old Rooster" (B*ll P*lm*r), "Dick
Lieblich" (Rey), "The Barrister" (K*r*lynne), and "Bobert" (Dena Jo,
I'm pretty sure). Most of them attempted some justification for
their choices, but since they did the choosing, I don't see that I
need to elaborate. You can always Google them, if inquire you must.
Etymologically, of course, I'm a lovable fellow (right. Rey?)[1], but
Mrs. Bob, even though she had to marry me to acquire the name, is far
more deserving.
[1] UC is invited to chime in as well, for once.
--
Bob Lovable
R J Valentine
...
} I try to diffuse whatever semblance of notional power the title suggests by
} keeping my signature to a single letter, lowercase, and more often than not
} *not* on a line by itself....r
But is that more or less notionally powerful than "ER"?
(I've got a thing on the wall behind me with the sig "George RI"
(grandfather of ER and grandson of VR).)
--
rjv
Frank ess
> On the Internet, they don't know you're a dog.
>
> Unless you tell them.
"reSIST the URGE to exPLAIN"
-Screenwriter and Oscar nominee in an AOL chatroom
--
Frank ess
Third or fourth or so "Frank S" to join a popular newsgroup
(Damn! Did it again. I wonder why I'm always explaining things. Maybe
I got it from my mother; she was _always_ explaining things.)
mb
LaReina del Perros wrote:
> On the Internet, they don't know you're a dog.
>
> Unless you tell them.
Now tell us what, if anything, a singular "perros" might ever mean.
Oleg Lego
>Oftentimes we spend a lot of effort searching scant records for
>information about the dead after they were long gone (or praising them
>and expressing love when they can no longer hear it). I thought I'd
>ask this while you're alive and well.
>
>Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
>or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity or,
>surely, have stories behind them.
Mine's simple... Just an authentic sounding first name and an anagram
of it.
Mike Lyle
R H Draney wrote:
> Mike Lyle filted:
> >
> >What's mildly interesting, though, is the illocutionary force of some
> >names. If a screen name includes the name of a god, or a famous person,
> >or something royal or aristocratic such as "king", "queen", or "lord",
> >or something notionally powerful such as the name of a weapon or a
> >radioactive element, then you can be reasonably sure the person is a
> >clown.
>
Not in the sense I was thinking of: I did specify typicals. But I'm
sure you are, of course.
--
Mike.
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
...
> I've had a number of epithets assigned to me by others during my
> sojourn here in the friendly confines of AUE. They include "The
> Cocker Spaniel" (D. Hencer Sp*nes), "Old Rooster" (B*ll P*lm*r), "Dick
> Lieblich" (Rey), "The Barrister" (K*r*lynne), and "Bobert" (Dena Jo,
> I'm pretty sure).
...
Not to mention "Liebs".
--
Frieds
Robert Lieblich
Who?
Snidely
Solo Thesailor wrote:
[...]
> Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
> or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity or,
> surely, have stories behind them.
> In the AUEers' record, apart from birthdays etc, would it not be of
> interest, particularly in this place of learning (and
> entertainment...;-)...), if a column is provided specifically for
> etymology (or whatever better word) for those who choose to to write
> something?
>
> Solo Thesailor
> http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
While I can make some guesses (perhaps even shrewd guesses), it would
have been a useful and a propos precedent for the OP to have given the
information for the OP's sobriquet.
/dps
Maria
Maria
> Mine's simple... Just an authentic sounding first name and an anagram
> of it.
Or an authentic product name preceded by an anagram thereof.
--
Maria
LaReina del Perros
Originally, of course, it was "de los Perros," but somewhere along the
line there was this immigration clerk...
Oleg Lego
Zachary!
Oleg Lego
I gather yours is somehow related to "Snidely Whiplash"?
Solo Thesailor
> [...]... it would
> have been a useful and a propos precedent for the OP to have given the
> information for the OP's sobriquet.
(Thought you'd never ask..... Just kidding!)
Welllll.... I kinda was thinking about the 'regulars', and thought
my humble unassuming self as a newbie not yet fully recovered from the
fright of the first-post experience; rescued by very kind ones whom I
remember well.
To cut the short story long.... I thought that during the stress and
excitement of yacht racing no-one was going to be able to recall and
shout my real name in a hurry, it was time to invent a name. A new
identity was also apparently called for during the transformation into
a new phase of life having just been released from a by-then-unhappy
couplehood. I actually looked through a whole dictionary as bed-time
reading, searching for something neutral -no preconceived notion, no
gender, no race, no nations, no grandiose, no diminutive, no nothing
that people would readily prejudice against. One word stood out in that
way (very late into the night by alphabetical order!), as well as
matching with an inspiration at that time to be a solo sailor (at least
part way) around the world, as well as matching with or being sarcastic
of my life seeming to always having to fend for myself by myself all
the time, as well as celebrating or mocking myself for my singledom.
Later I found it to be oh so convenient for signing off on sms
messages!! It spells itself.
When introducing myself some people would go silent for a while in deep
thought and then said "Hans...". I told them it was ok to just
call me 'Captain'. :-)
That explained the first part of the name. Two syllables took a couple
of paragraphs. ...Tol'ja...
The second part happened sort of as a matter of course when signing on
for an email address and having to come up with a surname on the spot.
PS Thanks for a new word...sobriquet, indeed...
Solo Thesoberanduninebriatedbutsobriquetedsailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
Solo Thesailor
> Example, please....?
I'm not sure what you mean.... If it's about what I meant, fortunately
several have written some that make great examples. If it's about the
story behind my name, I've now posted in response to Snidely's
question. If it's about what format in the Birthdays page -for your
consideration, I mean an additional column, ie:
Zodiac, Birthday, Name, Myers-Briggs personality, Blood-Group/Type,
Etymology(?) of name, Languages-spoken.
I just snucked in 'Languages spoken' which I read about from the
archive; I thought it would be really great to list them in the table
too. Good idea?
Cheers
Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
Michael Hamm
> > "Kip" can be a standard first name given to the person by his parents.
> > Or, it can be a nickname.
>
> Once "Kip" and "Kit" were normal nicknames for "Christopher", but
> "Chris" seems to have mostly displaced them.
I don't disagree, but note that U.S. Senator Christopher Bond (R-MO) is
called "Kit" by virtually everyone. Even his official Web site refers to
him as "Kit", although the Senate's Web site's list of senators refers to
him as "Christopher S.".
Michael Hamm
AM, Math, Wash. U. St. Louis
msh...@math.wustl.edu Fine print:
http://www.math.wustl.edu/~msh210/ ... legal.html
PLEASE NOTE that for a good part of August 2006 I
could not read e-mail messages, and some bounced back
to their senders. If you sent me one, even if it did
not get returned, I may not have received and/or read
it, so please re-send it if it remains important.
Frank ess
> On 26 Sep 2006 22:55:16 -0700, "mb" <azyt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> LaReina del Perros wrote:
>>> On the Internet, they don't know you're a dog.
>>>
>>> Unless you tell them.
>>
>> Now tell us what, if anything, a singular "perros" might ever mean.
>
> Originally, of course, it was "de los Perros," but somewhere along
> the
> line there was this immigration clerk...
I was talking with a man arrested for driving a load of undocumented
migrants. His paperwork gave his name as "Salvador Gacho-Aspirina".[1]
He said his actual name was "Salvador Gacho-Gacho", and was as
mystified as I about the discrepancy.
My little conjecture-opera had him emptying his pockets and answering
questions from two interrogators simultaneously:
"What'syourname?What'sthis?'
[1] You could look it up.
--
Frank ess
Prai Jei
<1159274636.4...@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
> Oftentimes we spend a lot of effort searching scant records for
> information about the dead after they were long gone (or praising them
> and expressing love when they can no longer hear it). I thought I'd
> ask this while you're alive and well.
>
> Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
> or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity or,
> surely, have stories behind them.
>
> What does 'the Omrud' mean? Yes, I've searched but.... What's
> the story behind choosing that name? Similarly for 'Father
> Ignatius', 'Wood Avens', 'rzed', TakenEvent', 'Sea
> Wasp', 'Kip ...', etc. Why 'In bocca al Lupo!' (beyond...
> 'In the mouth of the wolf' and 'Good Luck', although no
> explanation in reference to 'nel bocca d'al lupo')? Similarly
> stories/origins of real or real-like names. One can search piecemeal
> but the information is often scant, scattered and incomplete, and
> generally non-existent regarding _the story behind_ the name or
> attributes.
>
> In the AUEers' record, apart from birthdays etc, would it not be of
> interest, particularly in this place of learning (and
> entertainment...;-)...), if a column is provided specifically for
> etymology (or whatever better word) for those who choose to to write
> something?
>
> Solo Thesailor
> http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
No problem about my handle - it simply means "blue eyes".
Yes they are.
Problem as far as AUE is concerned, it's in an a********l language.
--
Warning: keel away from child for hot bulb
Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply
Snidely
Solo Thesailor wrote:
[good stuff]
10x!
/dps
Snidely
Oleg Lego wrote:
> The Snidely entity posted thusly:
>
> I gather yours is somehow related to "Snidely Whiplash"?
Indeed. My 5th grade teacher was as much a Jay Ward fan as we were.
The hypothesis that I've used a different variant previously turns out
to explain the suffix currently employed.
--
/dps (I also answer to, "Hey, You!")
Default User
> Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
> or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity or,
> surely, have stories behind them.Solo Thesailor wrote:
I've gone by "Default User" for some time now. It started because I can
be a procrastinator. I used to use trn with my university account (yay
wustl). When they terminated it merely because I'd graduated a few
years prior (boo wustl) I had to get set up with a Windows newsreader.
I started using the built-in Netscape newsreader, but I wasn't happy
with it and planned to do the research and choose a better one. I kept
putting that off, but refused to change the default user profile
(cleverly named Default User) or allow myself to set up a .sig, so as
to not reward my lazy behavior.
I proceeded to use that newsreader with this handle for years. Here's a
quote from me on this from about five years ago, soon after I started
using Netscape:
"But if I set the .sig, then I've admitted that this is the one I'm
going to use, rather than being a temporary substitute.
What I want is one that is or looks just like trn. Nothing else will do,
all other point and click ones are garbage."
Oddly, when I was finally motivated to finally pick a new one (we got
new computers without Netscape), I looked at and decided against the
one selection that was like trn, slrn. I'd become used to the garbage
ones, so I went with XanaNews.
Of course, by this point my "Default User" persona had been established
and I didn't care to change it.
Brian (does have .sigs now)
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)
R H Draney
>
>No problem about my handle - it simply means "blue eyes".
>
>Yes they are.
>
>Problem as far as AUE is concerned, it's in an a********l language.
(Dictionary scan)
An apocryphal language, eh?...care to shed some light on the Voynich
manuscript?...r
--
"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when
he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely.
mb
Frank ess wrote:
...
> I was talking with a man arrested for driving a load of undocumented
> migrants. His paperwork gave his name as "Salvador Gacho-Aspirina".[1]
> He said his actual name was "Salvador Gacho-Gacho", and was as
> mystified as I about the discrepancy.
>
> My little conjecture-opera had him emptying his pockets and answering
> questions from two interrogators simultaneously:
>
> "What'syourname?What'sthis?'
>
> [1] You could look it up.
I did. It is a name:
Genealogia : ASPIRINA. Nombre : ASPIRINA, Nacimiento :.......
GACHO. CARLANCA, [ BAYO ]...
Skitt
> Prai Jei filted:
>> No problem about my handle - it simply means "blue eyes".
>>
>> Yes they are.
>>
>> Problem as far as AUE is concerned, it's in an a********l language.
>
> (Dictionary scan)
>
> An apocryphal language, eh?...care to shed some light on the Voynich
> manuscript?...r
Aboriginal language?
--
Skitt
Living in The Heart of the Bay
http://www.ci.hayward.ca.us/
Solo Thesailor
> Solo Thesailor <notforspa...@gmail.com> had it:
> > What does 'the Omrud' mean? Yes, I've searched but.... What's
> > the story behind choosing that name?
>
Top of the list here and first off the rank to arrest my curiosity on
Day 1.
....Am turning blue....
Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
Will
jerry_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Tony Cooper wrote:
> > On 26 Sep 2006 05:43:56 -0700, "Solo Thesailor"
> > <notforspa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >What does 'the Omrud' mean? Yes, I've searched but.... What's
> > >Ignatius', 'Wood Avens', 'rzed', TakenEvent', 'Sea
> > >Wasp', 'Kip ...', etc.
> >
> > not read this..."Kip" can be a standard first name given to the person
> > by his parents. Or, it can be a nickname.
>
> Once "Kip" and "Kit" were normal nicknames for "Christopher", but
> "Chris" seems to have mostly displaced them.
My brother was christened "Christopher", but was called "Kip" by our
mother and it's stuck, more or less, barring a hiatus during the '70s
when he laboured under the name "Krispi Sadleoo", or "Krispi" for
short.
By the way, my name's not Will, but don't tell anyone.
Will.
Solo Thesailor
> By the way, my name's not Will, but don't tell anyone.
Will.
Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
R H Draney
>
>Will wrote:
>
>> By the way, my name's not Will, but don't tell anyone.
>
>Will.
If he so wills it....r
Prai Jei
<_JGdnbnnSZqA_oHY...@comcast.com>:
> R H Draney wrote:
>> Prai Jei filted:
>
>>> No problem about my handle - it simply means "blue eyes".
>>>
>>> Yes they are.
>>>
>>> Problem as far as AUE is concerned, it's in an a********l language.
>>
>> (Dictionary scan)
>>
>> An apocryphal language, eh?...care to shed some light on the Voynich
>> manuscript?...r
>
> Aboriginal language?
No an artificial one. One of my side interests. (Mi parolas Esperanton kiel
naciano.)
R H Draney
>
>Skitt (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
><_JGdnbnnSZqA_oHY...@comcast.com>:
>
>> R H Draney wrote:
>>> Prai Jei filted:
>>>>
>>>
>>> (Dictionary scan)
>>>
>>> An apocryphal language, eh?...care to shed some light on the Voynich
>>> manuscript?...r
>>
>> Aboriginal language?
>
>No an artificial one. One of my side interests. (Mi parolas Esperanton kiel
>naciano.)
Oh....
I was pretty sure it wasn't an alchemical language (or even antisocial), but you
never know....r
J. J. Lodder
> On the Internet, they don't know you're a dog.
>
> Unless you tell them.
And not even then,
Jan
Snidely
Snidely wrote:
> > I gather yours is somehow related to "Snidely Whiplash"?
>
> Indeed. My 5th grade teacher was as much a Jay Ward fan as we were.
It might also be appropriate to hint that there is a partial homophone
between my nickname and my surname, as if the English spelling was
used.
/dps
(who, me?)
Mark Brader
> > I try to diffuse whatever semblance of notional power the title suggests by
> > keeping my signature to a single letter, lowercase...
R J Valentine:
> But is that more or less notionally powerful than "ER"?
At this point I was wondering what a TV show had to do with the notional
power of signatures.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Ever wonder why they call the screen
m...@vex.net a vacuum tube?" -- Kent Paul Dolan
Peter Moylan
> By the way, my name's not Will, but don't tell anyone.
>
> Will.
Way.
Solo Thesailor
> >> Prai Jei filted:
> >>> No problem about my handle - it simply means "blue eyes".
> No an artificial one. One of my side interests. (Mi parolas Esperanton kiel
> naciano.)
How extremely interesting! I will have to look things up. How is the
name pronounced? It did stand out as uniquely interesting. Which is
'blue' and which is 'eyes'? Would you please form a few more sentences,
with translation, to show some examples? Do you find Esperanto limited
in some ways such as perhaps (I have no knowledge of it and am only
wondering) not enough vowels for unique representation, etc, as a
consequence of modelling the language on a limited number of European
languages?
Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
Robert Lieblich
Whoa!
Skitt
What?
Prai Jei
<1159623345.6...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
> Prai Jei wrote:
>> >> Prai Jei filted:
>> >>> No problem about my handle - it simply means "blue eyes".
>
>> No an artificial one. One of my side interests. (Mi parolas Esperanton
>> kiel naciano.)
>
> How extremely interesting! I will have to look things up. How is the
> name pronounced? It did stand out as uniquely interesting. Which is
> 'blue' and which is 'eyes'? Would you please form a few more sentences,
> with translation, to show some examples?
"prai" = "blue", pronounced as English "pry"
"jei" = "eye(s)", pronounced as the name of English letter J.
Hallon, as the language is called, makes no singular/plural distinction. Its
grammar is pretty minimal. There is a website explaining some of it -
www.geocities.com/paulvstownsend/hallon - with sample texts.
> Do you find Esperanto limited
> in some ways such as perhaps (I have no knowledge of it and am only
> wondering) not enough vowels for unique representation, etc, as a
> consequence of modelling the language on a limited number of European
> languages?
It's reasonable enough, easy to learn if you know a bit of French, Italian
or other Latin-derived tongue, though its orthography is pretty crap with
circumflexes on some of the consonants. Unfortunately all that's now been
cast in stone and changes to the alphabet and grammar are no longer
permitted.
I discovered Esperanto back in my student days, long after I thought I had
left Hallon behind with childhood. But when I discovered the Net, and found
that there was a whole community "out there" experimenting in artificial
languages, I dusted Hallon off again and took the plunge and published it
to the Web.
There are many websites devoted to conlangers (as we call ourselves), the
best of which is probably http://www.langmaker.com - and we even have our
own newsgroup - alt.language.artificial. May I suggest that we move this
discussion there - sites dealing with real languages - sci.lang especially
- regard conlangs as upstarts, lesser life, trolls, etc. and are resented.
Hence my initial reluctance to include the word "artificial" explicitly.
I have contributed Hallon versions of a couple of well-known texts to sites
collecting them:
Tolkien's Ring-verse ("Three rings for the Elven-kings &c):
http://zbihniew.krasl.cz/lingua/rings/rings.html
The Christmas carol "Stille Nacht" ("Silent Night") in a singable
translation: http://silentnight.web.za/translate
The Charge of the Goddess (probably the longest continuous text out there):
http://www.usenetarchive.org/Dir1/File97.html
Mark Brader
>>> Way.
>> Whoa!
> What?
What's on second.
--
Mark Brader | "A colorful quilt reflecting the dispersed development
m...@vex.net | of the nation. A sentence fragment."
Toronto | --Eric Walker
Robert Lieblich
"Whoa!" As in "Whoa, Dude!" Skitt probably knows this and is just
piling on. Anyone unfamiliar with it can Google the phrase.
--
Bob Lieblich
Dude, Whoa!
Skitt
> Skitt wrote:
>> Robert Lieblich wrote:
>>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>> Will wrote:
>>>>> By the way, my name's not Will, but don't tell anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will.
>>>>
>>>> Way.
>>>
>>> Whoa!
>>
>> What?
>
> "Whoa!" As in "Whoa, Dude!" Skitt probably knows this and is just
> piling on.
Yup. "W" words rule! Now, however, the spell is broken. Woe.
> Anyone unfamiliar with it can Google the phrase.
--
Solo Thesailor
I was wondering what '10x!' meant.
10 times (good stuff 10 times)?
10 kisses? <Hmmm...>
A flag/stick/salute/wave + a hug + a kiss + an exclamation?
10 out of 10?
10 ex's? (No, thanks, one was bad/good enough.),
!!!!!!!!!! (10 times exclamation mark)?
An alphabetogram? (I turned the laptop round and round but could not
see a face or a hanging tongue.)
Feeling definitely internet-unsavvy, I did a search and found some
possibilities:
Tenex (=Type L 8, whatever that means)?
Thanks? (How does 10x stand for 'thanks'??!?)
Incredible. No... Yes, but no, this one is mine exclamation.
Oh! And thanks...for the question and for the 'good stuff' bit.... :-)
Solo Theuninternetsavvysailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
Paul Wolff
Thesailor <notforspa...@gmail.com> writes
>Snidely wrote:
>> Solo Thesailor wrote:
>>
>> [good stuff]
>>
>> 10x!
>
>I was wondering what '10x!' meant.
>10 times (good stuff 10 times)?
>10 kisses? <Hmmm...>
>A flag/stick/salute/wave + a hug + a kiss + an exclamation?
>10 out of 10?
>10 ex's? (No, thanks, one was bad/good enough.),
>!!!!!!!!!! (10 times exclamation mark)?
>An alphabetogram? (I turned the laptop round and round but could not
>see a face or a hanging tongue.)
>
>Feeling definitely internet-unsavvy, I did a search and found some
>possibilities:
>Tenex (=Type L 8, whatever that means)?
>Thanks? (How does 10x stand for 'thanks'??!?)
>
Tenex is a name (TM, I expect) for competition-grade .22 ammo sold by
Eley, Eley-Kynoch, or whatever business name is/was used by IMI (it's
probably all changed now) in allusion to the tie-breaking inner carton
(no connexion with oatmeal containers) of the 10-ring of the standard
UIT (Union Internationale de Tir) smallbore shooting target. So it
might be a sort of rem acu tetigisti thing.
Or maybe it's just ten marx out of ten.
--
Paul
In bocca al Lupo!
Snidely
Solo Thesailor wrote:
> Thanks? (How does 10x stand for 'thanks'??!?)
By virtue of cartoon-ish pronounciation. "Tanks" has the same
explanation.
> Tenex (=Type L 8, whatever that means)?
Seems to me that DEC had an edition by that name, maybe pre-VMS days.
/dps
Frank ess
I've seen "10Q" for thank you.
ur LkM
--
Frank ess
Snidely
Snidely wrote:
> > Tenex (=Type L 8, whatever that means)?
> Seems to me that DEC had an edition by that name, maybe pre-VMS days.
Editor. ED IT *OR*. Maybe I should get one.
/dps
Sean Case
"Snidely" <Snide...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Solo Thesailor wrote:
>> Tenex (=Type L 8, whatever that means)?
> Seems to me that DEC had an edition by that name, maybe pre-VMS days.
No. Tenex (from Ten Extended) was an operating system developed by
BBN for the DEC PDP-10.
PDP-10 systems were common on the ARPAnet in the early days. FTP
programs with a sense of history still have a TENEX command to set
Tenex-compatible mode. The help for this command usually points
out that it is equivalent to the command TYPE L 8.
Sean Case
Snidely
Sean Case wrote:
[...]
> No. Tenex (from Ten Extended) was an operating system developed by
> BBN for the DEC PDP-10.
>
> PDP-10 systems were common on the ARPAnet in the early days. FTP
> programs with a sense of history still have a TENEX command to set
> Tenex-compatible mode. The help for this command usually points
> out that it is equivalent to the command TYPE L 8.
Ahh, thank goodness a true Digital Disciple was paying attention. I
had a little contact with PDP-10s when we went visiting, but working on
a PDP-8 (a true 8, but in the big cabinent) and a bit on an 8s. The
first PDP-11 came out about the time I got my diploma, but I didn't get
to hang around for that.
When I got back into the world of computers, VAXen were a matter of
course just about anywhere that wasn't an IBM shop, it seemed. And I
was a BSD client before I was a VMS client, so vi seems natural to me
(sort of; emacs is even more so).
Thanks for chiming in!
/dps
Maria
included in the AUE birthday site.
If anyone wishes that information to be included for their name, just
write up the explanation and post it to this thread.* I can, perhaps,
refer (URLly) to the Google Groups page where the post is archived, or
maybe put the explanations on a separate page of my own site.
* If you already posted it, just say so.
--
Maria
AUE: http://www.familyhomefront.net/BirthdaysEtcAUE.html
OR: http://tinyurl.com/j4j8n
There's only one 'n' in my email address, and it's not in my first name.
Nick Spalding
on Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:34:23 GMT:
>Someone suggested that explanations/etymology of their screen names be
>included in the AUE birthday site.
>
>If anyone wishes that information to be included for their name, just
>write up the explanation and post it to this thread.* I can, perhaps,
>refer (URLly) to the Google Groups page where the post is archived, or
>maybe put the explanations on a separate page of my own site.
>
>* If you already posted it, just say so.
Mine is my real name that I have had since I was about three weeks
old.
--
Nick Spalding
Snidely
Maria wrote:
> Someone suggested that explanations/etymology of their screen names be
> included in the AUE birthday site.
You can include mine, along with the information that I'm crabby
(astrologically speaking), having appeared a few days after the longest
day of the year, a half-century+ before the current date.
/dps
Solo Thesailor
> ....
> I discovered Esperanto back in my student days, long after I thought I had
> left Hallon behind with childhood. But when I discovered the Net, and found
> that there was a whole community "out there" experimenting in artificial
> languages, I dusted Hallon off again and took the plunge and published it
> to the Web.
>
> There are many websites devoted to conlangers (as we call ourselves), the
> best of which is probably http://www.langmaker.com - and we even have our
> own newsgroup - alt.language.artificial. May I suggest that we move this
> discussion there - sites dealing with real languages - sci.lang especially
> - regard conlangs as upstarts, lesser life, trolls, etc. and are resented.
> Hence my initial reluctance to include the word "artificial" explicitly.
I think that it (developing/constructing/inventing a new language) is
extremely fascinating. It saddens me that some among the supposedly
learned are not welcoming of alternative, albeit minority, views.
Unless there are some serious other implications I would encourage the
apparent-minority to brave the elements and *enjoy* that creativity and
differenceness, and the apparent-majority to be open minded and
welcoming. I shall viist the sites. Thanks!
Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
Solo Thesailor
> ....
> Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
> or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity or,
> surely, have stories behind them.
> ...
Hope everyone's seen Maria's invitation in her post of around Oct 4th.
Thank you, Maria.
Thank you all contributors. Scritched where it atched! Several notable
ones there including 'tinwhistler', 'rzed', 'Oleg Lego', 'Lars
Eighner', 'Snidely', 'Prai Jei', and many more. The cat is still led by
curiosity. I hope that some who might not have seen this topic may soon
contribute, including names that are real-name like with real etymology
and some that surely have stories to tell, like 'dontbother',
'Buckwheat Soba', 'the Omrud', and 'Hatunen'; and I think 'Skitt' is
not there either. Of course you might not want to but... not just shy,
are you?
Thanks
--
Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
athel...@yahoo
all, my real name, odd though it may seem to everyone but Steve Hayes
(whom I make an exception of because when I was in South Africa some
years ago I was told that it was a reasonably common name there, albeit
usually spelled Atholl or Athol)), but what the hell. I used to post
under a longer version, but that seemed too cumbersome for everyday
use, and I used to include more helpful contact information, but what
with spam and all, I decided to be less visible. (And for the past two
years or so that has worked pretty well: the amount of spam in my
in-box has decreased by a factor of ten and, on the whole, it has
stayed that way.) As for the lower-case a in athel, I use it in all my
Internet correspondence (except very formal stuff), as a sort of
replacement for a handwritten signature.
athel
Philip Eden
"athel...@yahoo" <athe...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I wasn't planning to contribute to this thread (as Athel is, after
> all, my real name, odd though it may seem to everyone but Steve Hayes
> (whom I make an exception of because when I was in South Africa some
> years ago I was told that it was a reasonably common name there, albeit
> usually spelled Atholl or Athol)), but what the hell. I used to post
> under a longer version, but that seemed too cumbersome for everyday
> use, and I used to include more helpful contact information, but what
> with spam and all, I decided to be less visible. (And for the past two
> years or so that has worked pretty well: the amount of spam in my
> in-box has decreased by a factor of ten and, on the whole, it has
> stayed that way.) As for the lower-case a in athel, I use it in all my
> Internet correspondence (except very formal stuff), as a sort of
> replacement for a handwritten signature.
>
There was a famous Sutheffrican cricketer called Athol Rowan
in the 1940s and 1950s. And then there's the writer Athol Fugard.
No doubt many boys during that era were named after them.
Philip Eden
(not related to 'Egyptian Tony')
Skitt
> Solo Thesailor wrote:
>> ....
>> Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
>> or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity or,
>> surely, have stories behind them.
>> ...
>
> Hope everyone's seen Maria's invitation in her post of around Oct 4th.
> Thank you, Maria.
>
> Thank you all contributors. Scritched where it atched! Several notable
> ones there including 'tinwhistler', 'rzed', 'Oleg Lego', 'Lars
> Eighner', 'Snidely', 'Prai Jei', and many more. The cat is still led
> by curiosity. I hope that some who might not have seen this topic may
> soon contribute, including names that are real-name like with real
> etymology and some that surely have stories to tell, like
> 'dontbother', 'Buckwheat Soba', 'the Omrud', and 'Hatunen'; and I
> think 'Skitt' is not there either.
"Skitt" is explained at the URL given in my sig.
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
http://www.geocities.com/opus731/
Oleg Lego
>
>Solo Thesailor wrote:
>> Solo Thesailor wrote:
>> > ....
>> > Many AUE's esteemed 'regulars' have names or nicknames or quotes
>> > or some attributes/decorations that spark interest, curiosity or,
>> > surely, have stories behind them.
>> > ...
>>
>> Hope everyone's seen Maria's invitation in her post of around Oct 4th.
>> Thank you, Maria.
>>
>> Thank you all contributors. Scritched where it atched! Several notable
>> ones there including 'tinwhistler', 'rzed', 'Oleg Lego', 'Lars
>> Eighner', 'Snidely', 'Prai Jei', and many more. The cat is still led by
>> curiosity. I hope that some who might not have seen this topic may soon
>> contribute, including names that are real-name like with real etymology
>> and some that surely have stories to tell, like 'dontbother',
>> 'Buckwheat Soba', 'the Omrud', and 'Hatunen'; and I think 'Skitt' is
>> not there either. Of course you might not want to but... not just shy,
>> are you?
>>
>I wasn't planning to contribute to this thread (as Athel is, after
>all, my real name, odd though it may seem to everyone but Steve Hayes
>(whom I make an exception of because when I was in South Africa some
>years ago I was told that it was a reasonably common name there, albeit
>usually spelled Atholl or Athol)), but what the hell.
It's often spelled "Athole" in North America. I would guess that it
was in about 1957 or so that I saw my first example of a humourous
name entry in a telephone book. It was the in Vancouver telephone
directory, and had the name "Black, Athole", which caused, among my
peers, much amusement.
After that, I saw quite a few more, the most notable of which was
"Rection, Hugh G.".
Every time a new directory was issued, I'd check for the previous
funny ones, and noticed that they never appeared more than once. I
found out much later that there were a lot of folks scrutinizing the
names, though later, this became automated with software.
I also liked to check the last name in the directory, as there seemed
to be quite a competition for that position. Best one of all was
"Zzyzyski".
The next year, the last name in the book was pretty mundane, so I
imagine it was noticed by the directory folks and squashed.
Evan Kirshenbaum
> Thank you all contributors. Scritched where it atched! Several
> notable ones there including 'tinwhistler', 'rzed', 'Oleg Lego',
> 'Lars Eighner', 'Snidely', 'Prai Jei', and many more. The cat is
> still led by curiosity. I hope that some who might not have seen
> this topic may soon contribute, including names that are real-name
> like with real etymology and some that surely have stories to tell,
> like 'dontbother', 'Buckwheat Soba', 'the Omrud', and 'Hatunen'; and
> I think 'Skitt' is not there either. Of course you might not want to
> but... not just shy, are you?
My own doesn't have much of a story, save for the spelling, and I
don't really know the story there. My grandfather grew up speaking
Yiddish in Poland, and "Kirshenbaum" means "cherry tree" (or, I guess,
more precisely, "cherries tree"). From their point of view, it would
have been written with Hebrew letters (though I've never seen it
written out in Yiddish).
My great grandfather came to America in 1912 to get himself
established before bringing out his family. He failed and decided to
go back to Poland, but the war had broken out and there were no ships
back. By the time the war was over, he was doing reasonably well, and
the rest of his family came over in 1920. (On Rosh Hashanah, 1939,
about 270 Jews in their home town--including some with similar
names--were killed.)
They took a ship from Danzig, and their name is spelled
"Kirschenbaum". I later found their names crossed off the manifest of
a ship that left two weeks earlier from Gdansk, on which their name is
spelled "Kirszenbaum". I'm not sure how the spelling got established
with "sh", but it's that way by the 1930 census. (And possibly on the
1920 census, but I'm not confident that the one I found is him.)
--
Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
HP Laboratories |Just sit right back
1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 | and you'll hear a tale,
Palo Alto, CA 94304 | a tale of the Stanford red
|That started when a little boy
kirsh...@hpl.hp.com | named Leland did drop dead
(650)857-7572
Skitt
> The athel...@yahoo entity posted thusly:
>> I wasn't planning to contribute to this thread (as Athel is, after
>> all, my real name, odd though it may seem to everyone but Steve Hayes
>> (whom I make an exception of because when I was in South Africa some
>> years ago I was told that it was a reasonably common name there,
>> albeit usually spelled Atholl or Athol)), but what the hell.
>
> It's often spelled "Athole" in North America. I would guess that it
> was in about 1957 or so that I saw my first example of a humourous
> name entry in a telephone book. It was the in Vancouver telephone
> directory, and had the name "Black, Athole", which caused, among my
> peers, much amusement.
>
> After that, I saw quite a few more, the most notable of which was
> "Rection, Hugh G.".
>
> Every time a new directory was issued, I'd check for the previous
> funny ones, and noticed that they never appeared more than once. I
> found out much later that there were a lot of folks scrutinizing the
> names, though later, this became automated with software.
I remember the typo in Lockheed's internal phone book, listing poor Whit
Hansen as Shit Hansen. The directory was withdrawn very early in
distribution, but the word spread throughout the company faster than you
could say "Shit Hansen".
Prai Jei
<vem5ka...@hpl.hp.com>:
> They took a ship from Danzig, and their name is spelled
> "Kirschenbaum". I later found their names crossed off the manifest of
> a ship that left two weeks earlier from Gdansk, on which their name is
> spelled "Kirszenbaum". I'm not sure how the spelling got established
> with "sh", but it's that way by the 1930 census. (And possibly on the
> 1920 census, but I'm not confident that the one I found is him.)
/sch/ is the German spelling, /sz/ the Polish spelling, of the sh sound.
Presumably the immigration authorities, hesitating between two foreign
spellings, compromised with the English spelling instead.
Prai Jei
<1161866621.4...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> Thank you all contributors. Scritched where it atched! Several notable
> ones there including 'tinwhistler', 'rzed', 'Oleg Lego', 'Lars
> Eighner', 'Snidely', 'Prai Jei', and many more.
I feel rather chuffed to know that my handle is "notable" :)
R H Draney
>
>My own doesn't have much of a story, save for the spelling, and I
>don't really know the story there. My grandfather grew up speaking
>Yiddish in Poland, and "Kirshenbaum" means "cherry tree" (or, I guess,
>more precisely, "cherries tree"). From their point of view, it would
>have been written with Hebrew letters (though I've never seen it
>written out in Yiddish).
I've wondered why in English (and presumably in Yiddish as well) the tree and
blossom are named for the fruit (a furniture-dealer may refer to a "cherry
table", but this smacks of trade jargon), while in Japanese the more basic term
("sakura") refers to the blossom and the fruit ("sakurambo") is derived from
it....r
--
"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when
he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely.
Tony Cooper
wrote:
>Evan Kirshenbaum filted:
>>
>>My own doesn't have much of a story, save for the spelling, and I
>>don't really know the story there. My grandfather grew up speaking
>>Yiddish in Poland, and "Kirshenbaum" means "cherry tree" (or, I guess,
>>more precisely, "cherries tree"). From their point of view, it would
>>have been written with Hebrew letters (though I've never seen it
>>written out in Yiddish).
>
>I've wondered why in English (and presumably in Yiddish as well) the tree and
>blossom are named for the fruit (a furniture-dealer may refer to a "cherry
>table", but this smacks of trade jargon),
As long as the it's not a cherry-stained walnut table, it's OK.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
R H Draney
>
>I remember the typo in Lockheed's internal phone book, listing poor Whit
>Hansen as Shit Hansen. The directory was withdrawn very early in
>distribution, but the word spread throughout the company faster than you
>could say "Shit Hansen".
Did people start treating him like a leper?...r
CDB
[...]
> I remember the typo in Lockheed's internal phone book, listing poor
> Whit Hansen as Shit Hansen. The directory was withdrawn very early
> in distribution, but the word spread throughout the company faster
> than you could say "Shit Hansen".
Did he have enemies in Personnel? I once had to put up with a major
pain all through a year-long study, and when I saw him listed on the
acknowlegements page of the final proof of the report as "Firstname S.
Lastname" I was sore tempted to change it to "Firstname S. Weasel"
("The Shitweasel" having long been established as his nickname); but
he had friends in high places, so I wimped out.
Oleg Lego
>Evan Kirshenbaum filted:
>>
>>My own doesn't have much of a story, save for the spelling, and I
>>don't really know the story there. My grandfather grew up speaking
>>Yiddish in Poland, and "Kirshenbaum" means "cherry tree" (or, I guess,
>>more precisely, "cherries tree"). From their point of view, it would
>>have been written with Hebrew letters (though I've never seen it
>>written out in Yiddish).
>
>I've wondered why in English (and presumably in Yiddish as well) the tree and
>blossom are named for the fruit
Why should it not be so? Would it make more sense to you if a tree
that produced cherries was called a Yuktuk tree", and its blossom
called a "Riprap blossom"?
R H Draney
>
>The R H Draney entity posted thusly:
>
>>blossom are named for the fruit
>
>Why should it not be so? Would it make more sense to you if a tree
>that produced cherries was called a Yuktuk tree", and its blossom
>called a "Riprap blossom"?
You snipped half of my question...to restore it in another form:
In English, the tree and blossom have names derived from that of the fruit.
In Japanese, the tree and fruit have names derived from that of the blossom.
Is this indicative of an important difference in worldview?...r
Frances Kemmish
> Oleg Lego filted:
>
>>The R H Draney entity posted thusly:
>>
>>
>>>I've wondered why in English (and presumably in Yiddish as well) the tree and
>>>blossom are named for the fruit
>>
>>Why should it not be so? Would it make more sense to you if a tree
>>that produced cherries was called a Yuktuk tree", and its blossom
>>called a "Riprap blossom"?
>
>
> You snipped half of my question...to restore it in another form:
>
> In English, the tree and blossom have names derived from that of the fruit.
>
> In Japanese, the tree and fruit have names derived from that of the blossom.
>
> Is this indicative of an important difference in worldview?...r
>
>
Only if you consider the place of the cherry relative to the
cherry-blossom as a world view.
I suppose the equivalent from an English point of view would be the rose.
Fran
Peter Duncanson
wrote:
>Oleg Lego filted:
>>
>>The R H Draney entity posted thusly:
>>
>>>I've wondered why in English (and presumably in Yiddish as well) the tree and
>>>blossom are named for the fruit
>>
>>Why should it not be so? Would it make more sense to you if a tree
>>that produced cherries was called a Yuktuk tree", and its blossom
>>called a "Riprap blossom"?
>
>You snipped half of my question...to restore it in another form:
>
>In English, the tree and blossom have names derived from that of the fruit.
>
>In Japanese, the tree and fruit have names derived from that of the blossom.
>
>Is this indicative of an important difference in worldview?...r
Maybe. Maybe not. Try this hypothesis for size:
In English, a tree tends to have a name derived from the aspect of
the tree that is of distinctive value to people (for example as food
for themselves or their animals). In some cases it is an edible
fruit, in others it a something else.
In general, the common names of trees have non-English origins.
Some etymologies from www.etymonline.com with ("fruit name"):
pine ("pine cone")
"coniferous tree," O.E. pintreow, the first element from
L. pinus, from PIE *pei- "fat, sap, pitch" (cf. Skt. pituh
"juice, sap, resin," pitudaruh "pine tree," Gk. pitys "pine
tree," L. pinguis "fat").
oak ("acorn")
O.E. ac "oak tree," from P.Gmc. *aiks (cf. O.N. eik, O.Fris.,
M.Du. ek, Du. eik, O.H.G. eih, Ger. Eiche), of uncertain origin
with no certain cognates outside Gmc.
ash ("key" a winged fruit)
"tree," O.E. æsc "ash tree," also "spear made of ash wood," from
P.Gmc. *askaz, askiz (cf. O.N. askr, O.S. ask, M.Du. esce, Ger.
Esche), from PIE base *os- "ash tree" (cf. Arm. haci "ash tree,"
Alb. ah "beech," Gk. oxya "beech," L. ornus "wild mountain ash,"
Rus. jasen, Lith. uosis "ash"). Ash the preferred wood for
spear-shafs, so O.E. æsc sometimes meant "spear" (cf. æsc-here
"company armed with spears").
beech ("beech mast")
O.E. bece, from P.Gmc. *bokjon (cf. O.N. bok, Ger. buche, M.Du.
boeke "beech"), from PIE base *bhagos (cf. Gk. phegos "oak," L.
fagus "beech," Rus. buzina "elder"), perhaps with a ground sense
of "edible" (and connected with the root of Gk. phagein "to
eat;" see -phagous). Beech mast was an ancient food source for
agricultural animals across a wide stretch of Europe.
cherry ("cherry")
1236, from Anglo-Fr. cherise (taken as a pl.), from O.N.Fr.
cherise, from V.L. *ceresia, from late Gk. kerasian "cherry,"
from Gk. kerasos "cherry tree," possibly from a language of Asia
Minor. O.E. had ciris "cherry" from W.Gmc. form of the V.L.
word, but it died out after the Norman invasion and was replaced
by the French word.
apple ("apple")
O.E. æppel "apple," from P.Gmc. *ap(a)laz (cf. O.Fris., Du.
appel, O.N. eple, O.H.G. apful, Ger. Apfel), from PIE *ab(e)l
"apple" (cf. Gaul. avallo, O.Ir. ubull, Lith. obuolys, O.C.S.
jabloko), but the exact relation and original sense of these is
uncertain. Gk. melon and L. malum are probably from a pre-I.E.
Mediterranean language. A generic term for all fruit, other than
berries but including nuts, as late as 17c., hence its use for
the unnamed "fruit of the forbidden tree" in Genesis. Cucumbers,
in one O.E. work, are eorþæppla, lit. "earth-apples" (cf. Fr.
pomme de terre "potato," lit. "earth-apple;" see also melon).
Fr. pomme is from L. pomum "fruit."
orange ("orange")
c.1300, from O.Fr. orenge (12c.), from M.L. pomum de orenge,
from It. arancia, originally narancia (Venetian naranza), alt.
of Ar. naranj, from Pers. narang, from Skt. naranga-s "orange
tree," of uncertain origin. Loss of initial n- probably due to
confusion with definite article (e.g. une narange, una
narancia), but perhaps infl. by Fr. or "gold." The tree's
original range probably was northern India. The Persian orange,
grown widely in southern Europe after its introduction in Italy
11c., was bitter; sweet oranges were brought to Europe 15c. from
India by Portuguese traders and quickly displaced the bitter
variety, but only Mod.Gk. still seems to distinguish the bitter
(nerantzi) from the sweet (portokali "Portuguese") orange.
Portuguese, Spanish, Arab, and Dutch sailors planted citrus
trees along trade routes to prevent scurvy. On his second voyage
in 1493, Christopher Columbus brought the seeds of oranges,
lemons and citrons to Haiti and the Caribbean. Introduced in
Florida (along with lemons) in 1513 by Sp. explorer Juan Ponce
de Leon. Introduced to Hawaii 1792. Not used as the name of a
color until 1542.
So, did the Japanese value cherry blossom more than they valued the
edible fruit at the time the name of the tree originated?
While searching for the above etymologies, I saw something that I
had forgotten:
book
O.E. boc, traditionally from P.Gmc. *bokiz "beech" (cf. Ger.
Buch "book" Buche "beech;" the notion being of beechwood tablets
on which runes were inscribed), but may be from the tree itself
(people still carve initials in them). The O.E. originally meant
any written document. Latin and Sanskrit also have words for
"writing" that are based on tree names ("birch" and "ash,"
respectively).
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
R J Valentine
...
} In English, the tree and blossom have names derived from that of the fruit.
}
} In Japanese, the tree and fruit have names derived from that of the blossom.
}
} Is this indicative of an important difference in worldview?...r
No, it's just the way the mop flops.
--
rjv
Solo Thesailor
> ....
> I feel rather chuffed to know that my handle is "notable" :)
I'm sure you're more notable than just what the name suggests... Now,
that's a nice little colloquial word 'chuffed'; haven't heard it for
some time. Where did that word originate from and is there 'to chuff'?
And 'handle', how did that word come to mean screen-name (or vice
versa)?
the Omrud
> Prai Jei wrote:
> > ....
> > I feel rather chuffed to know that my handle is "notable" :)
>
> I'm sure you're more notable than just what the name suggests... Now,
> that's a nice little colloquial word 'chuffed'; haven't heard it for
> some time. Where did that word originate from and is there 'to chuff'?
No, you can only "be chuffed". I wonder if it's related to the bird.
UK English also has the knowingly-awful negative "dischuffed".
"When I discovered he'd drunk my beer, I was seriously dischuffed".
> And 'handle', how did that word come to mean screen-name (or vice
> versa)?
"handle" was CB-radio-speak for "nickname". I don't know if it goes
back any further than that.
--
David
=====
mUs1Ka
news:MPG.1fb008538...@news.ntlworld.com...
"I've got a handle to my name" may be the source of the CB use.
--
Ray
UK
Garrett Wollman
Solo Thesailor <notforspa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>And 'handle', how did that word come to mean screen-name (or vice
>versa)?
"screen name" is, NAICT, an invention of AOL. Presumably they thought
they users couldn't handle "login name", "username", "user ID", or
even "nickname", all of which were in prior use.
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | The real tragedy of human existence is not that we are
wol...@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry
Opinions not those | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape
of MIT or CSAIL. | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness
R H Draney
>
>"the Omrud" <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.1fb008538...@news.ntlworld.com...
>> Solo Thesailor <notforspa...@gmail.com> had it:
>>
>>> versa)?
>>
>> "handle" was CB-radio-speak for "nickname". I don't know if it goes
>> back any further than that.
>
>"I've got a handle to my name" may be the source of the CB use.
I'm sure my grandfather could quote you chapter and verse out of Zane Grey or
Louis Lamour, but I'm fairly certain "handle" in this sense was cowboy talk long
before there was CB radio....r
Donna Richoux
> mUs1Ka filted:
> >
> >"the Omrud" <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.1fb008538...@news.ntlworld.com...
> >> Solo Thesailor <notforspa...@gmail.com> had it:
> >>
> >>> And 'handle', how did that word come to mean screen-name (or vice
> >>> versa)?
> >>
> >> "handle" was CB-radio-speak for "nickname". I don't know if it goes
> >> back any further than that.
> >
> >"I've got a handle to my name" may be the source of the CB use.
>
> I'm sure my grandfather could quote you chapter and verse out of Zane Grey
> or Louis Lamour, but I'm fairly certain "handle" in this sense was cowboy
> talk long before there was CB radio....r
Cassell's dates "handle" meaning name or nickname to mid-19th c.
--
Best -- Donna Richoux
Charles Riggs
wrote:
Which reminds of the poor man from Hungary, Tibor Sarkady, who we used
to call Tibor Suck-a-dick.
--
Charles Riggs