Polar bears and Emporer penguins?
Alain Dekker
about, say, the Ancient Eqyptians and one of the characters is wearing a
wristwatch. There's a word for that faux pas, which is, I think
"anachronism".
My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears and they
show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating Emporer penguins.
Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are strictly
South Pole. This cannot happen.
What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
Thanks,
Alain
Mark Brader
> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears and they
> show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating Emporer penguins.
>
> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are strictly
> South Pole. This cannot happen.
Well, not in nature.
> What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
When this was asked in 2003 and again in 2004, I posted:
| "Anatopism" is given in some dictionaries. The OED1 lists it as rare.
And I think someone else came up with another word.
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Don Aitken
There is no generally understood word for this, although several have
been suggested. I quite like "anatopism".
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R H Draney
>
>Alain Dekker:
>> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears and they
>> show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating Emporer penguins.
>>
>> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are strictly
>> South Pole. This cannot happen.
>
>Well, not in nature.
And in fact, neither species' normal range includes either pole....r
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Martin Ambuhl
> I'm not sure how to ask this question, but you know how you watch a movie
> about, say, the Ancient Eqyptians and one of the characters is wearing a
> wristwatch. There's a word for that faux pas, which is, I think
> "anachronism".
>
> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears and they
> show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating Emporer penguins.
>
> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are strictly
> South Pole. This cannot happen.
>
> What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
As you know, "anachronism" comes from the Greek
"αναχρονισμός" (from "ανα", the prefix of negation, and "χρόνος", time).
Our basic choices for "place" are "τόπος" and "χωριον", both of which
translate into the Latin "locus". That suggests the analogous
"anatopism" or "anachorism". In fact, "anatopism" _is_ an English word
meaning "A putting of a thing out of its proper place" [SOED5].
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
> Mark Brader filted:
>
>
>
> >Alain Dekker:
> >> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears and they
> >> show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating Emporer penguins.
>
> >> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are strictly
> >> South Pole. This cannot happen.
>
> >Well, not in nature.
>
> And in fact, neither species' normal range includes either pole....r
Yet.
--
Jerry Friedman
Purl Gurl
(snipped)
> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears and they
> show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating Emporer penguins.
> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are strictly
> South Pole. This cannot happen.
> What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
Bipolar
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Skitt
> Alain Dekker wrote:
> (snipped)
>
>> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears
>> and they show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating
>> Emporer penguins.
>
>> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are
>> strictly South Pole. This cannot happen.
>
>> What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
>
> Bipolar
http://www.geocities.com/opus731/opus5a.gif
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Lew
>>>> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears and they
>>>> show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating Emporer penguins.
>>>> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are strictly
>>>> South Pole. This cannot happen.
"Emperor" penguins.
--
Lew
R H Draney
>
>On Feb 8, 4:58=A0pm, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> Mark Brader filted:
>>
>> >Alain Dekker:
>>
>tly
>> >> South Pole. This cannot happen.
>>
>> >Well, not in nature.
>>
>> And in fact, neither species' normal range includes either pole....r
>
>Yet.
We can avoid changing this assertion in the future with a suitable definition of
"normal"....r
Irina Rempt
> "Emperor" penguins.
Thanks; you beat me to that.
Irina
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http://www.valdyas.org/foundobjects/index.cgi Latest: 08-Feb-2009
Martin Ambuhl
> On Monday 09 February 2009 04:39, Lew wrote:
>
>> "Emperor" penguins.
>
> Thanks; you beat me to that.
Three hours after I did.
Ian Jackson
<abde...@NOSPAM.fsmail.net> writes
--
Ian
James Hogg
<abde...@NOSPAM.fsmail.net> wrote:
Some people might call it a "geographical cockup", but if you
want a term analogous to "anachronism" you can choose between
"anachorism" and "anatopism".
The Greek prefix ana- means "up, in place or time, back, again,
anew". It's also found in the archaic English word "anabathrum",
which does not mean "the wrong toilet".
James
(BrE with a distinctly septentrional flavour)
the Omrud
This comes up occasionally, and posters seem to be keen on a single
word. As offered above, there is a possible one, but it's not generally
understood; what's wrong with "geographical inconsistency"?
--
David
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
wrote:
>I'm not sure how to ask this question, but you know how you watch a movie
>about, say, the Ancient Eqyptians and one of the characters is wearing a
>wristwatch. There's a word for that faux pas, which is, I think
>"anachronism".
>
>My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears and they
>show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating Emporer penguins.
>
>Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are strictly
>South Pole. This cannot happen.
>
It can happen -- in a badly managed zoo.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
John Dean
>
> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears
> and they show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating
> Emporer penguins.
> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are
> strictly South Pole. This cannot happen.
>
--
John Dean
Oxford
Ian Jackson
<john...@fraglineone.net> writes
At Christmas 2007, some UK garden centre 'festive displays' exhibited
snowy scenes which included figures of Santa Claus, polar bears and
penguins. I did remark on this anomaly to my wife, but she thought that
I was being over-critical.
--
Ian
James Hogg
That makes me wonder: Does the Australian Santa Claus come from
the South Pole?
James
Lew
Congratulations. You win.
--
Lew
HVS
I agree entirely. Something like that (or geographical disjunction,
incongruity, contradicton, etc.) wouldd be a much better choihce than
some obscure inkhorn term.
--
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CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed
HVS
The South Pole is closer to the Czech than anything else, doncha'
think?
Mike Lyle
Anarcty.
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Was there a prize?
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CDB
> Alain Dekker wrote:
>> I'm not sure how to ask this question, but you know how you watch
>> a movie about, say, the Ancient Eqyptians and one of the
>> characters is wearing a wristwatch. There's a word for that faux
>> pas, which is, I think "anachronism".
>> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar
>> bears and they show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and
>> eating Emporer penguins.
^^
> emperor
>> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are
>> strictly South Pole. This cannot happen.
>> What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
> As you know, "anachronism" comes from the Greek
> "????????????" (from "???", the prefix of negation, and "??????",
> time).
Ah, well, that's a sticking-point, isn 't it? "Ana-" isn't used for
negation in modern times, as far as I can discover, nor was it used so
by the Greeks: it meant, generally, something like "up", "on", "upon",
or, occasionally, "back". An anachronism, then, would be an
"up-timing"or a "back-timing", a moving of something to an unsuitable
point in time: conventionally, this can be thought of in terms of
going up or down the time-scale, or, as the dictionary says, just
plain backwards.
There might be some debate about whether one should use the same
prefix for displacement in geographic space, although moving from one
pole to another might be considered a special case of moving up or
down. For the general case: diatopism/diachorism? Maybe Harvey's
right, and we should use plain English.
> Our basic choices for "place" are "?????" and "??????", both
> of which translate into the Latin "locus". That suggests the
> analogous "anatopism" or "anachorism". In fact, "anatopism" _is_ an
> English word meaning "A putting of a thing out of its proper place"
> [SOED5].
On the analogy of "anachronism", perhaps. But that is what I am
questioning. It could also be "ectopism", which I think I would
prefer, if a single word is required.
Paul Wolff
>Martin Ambuhl wrote:
>
>> Our basic choices for "place" are "?????" and "??????", both
>> of which translate into the Latin "locus". That suggests the
>> analogous "anatopism" or "anachorism". In fact, "anatopism" _is_ an
>> English word meaning "A putting of a thing out of its proper place"
>> [SOED5].
>
>On the analogy of "anachronism", perhaps. But that is what I am
>questioning. It could also be "ectopism", which I think I would
>prefer, if a single word is required.
>
detract from a wider understanding of ectopism.
Personally, I can't think of ectopism without seeing a ghost with a weak
bladder.
--
Paul
CDB
>>> Our basic choices for "place" are "?????" and "??????", both
>>> of which translate into the Latin "locus". That suggests the
>>> analogous "anatopism" or "anachorism". In fact, "anatopism" _is_
>>> an English word meaning "A putting of a thing out of its proper
>>> place" [SOED5].
>> On the analogy of "anachronism", perhaps. But that is what I am
>> questioning. It could also be "ectopism", which I think I would
>> prefer, if a single word is required.
> Ectopic is already particularly associated with pregnancy, which
> might detract from a wider understanding of ectopism.
Hokay, ecchorism, then.
> Personally, I can't think of ectopism without seeing a ghost with a
> weak bladder.
Spectral ants, me.
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> Ian Jackson wrote:
> > In message <498f6a1e$...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, Alain Dekker
> > <abdek...@NOSPAM.fsmail.net> writes
> >> I'm not sure how to ask this question, but you know how you watch a
> >> movie about, say, the Ancient Eqyptians and one of the characters is
> >> wearing a wristwatch. There's a word for that faux pas, which is, I
> >> think "anachronism".
>
> >> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears
> >> and they show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating
> >> Emporer penguins. Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer
> >> penguins are
> >> strictly South Pole. This cannot happen.
>
> >> What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
>
> > "Artistic licence"?
>
> Anarcty.
That would be no bears at all. Bare of bears.
--
Jerry Friedman
Mike Lyle
Best to plan a few years ahead, after all. A propos, are we going to see
more of those very rare polar-brown crosses, do you think? They could be
a very scary payback by Mother Nature.
--
Mike.
R H Draney
>
>Paul Wolff wrote:
>
>> Personally, I can't think of ectopism without seeing a ghost with a
>> weak bladder.
>
>Spectral ants, me.
I get shelled clams....r
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
wrote:
>
>Personally, I can't think of ectopism without seeing a ghost with a weak
>bladder.
Nice!
LFS
Very nice.
In the weekend papers I read a review of a restaurant named as your ex sig.
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John Varela
<mam...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> As you know, "anachronism" comes from the Greek
> " " (from " ", the prefix of negation, and " ", time).
> Our basic choices for "place" are " " and " ", both of which
> translate into the Latin "locus". That suggests the analogous
> "anatopism" or "anachorism". In fact, "anatopism" _is_ an English word
> meaning "A putting of a thing out of its proper place" [SOED5].
Anachorism also is an English word.
Anachorism
An*ach"o*rism\, n. [Gr. ? + ? place.] An error in regard to the
place of an event or a thing; a referring something to a wrong
place. [R.]
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
OED also has anachorism, but calls it a nonce word.
--
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Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<playfully>
Ananchorism: adrift from its correct location (not anchored).
Django Cat
> From: "Alain Dekker" <abde...@NOSPAM.fsmail.net>
> Subject: Polar bears and Emporer penguins?
> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:26:04 GMT
> Message-ID: <498f6a1e$1...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>
> Lines: 17
>
> I'm not sure how to ask this question, but you know how you watch a
> movie about, say, the Ancient Eqyptians and one of the characters is
> wearing a wristwatch. There's a word for that faux pas, which is, I
> think "anachronism".
>
> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears
> and they show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating
> Emporer penguins.
>
> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are
> strictly South Pole. This cannot happen.
>
> What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
Q. Why don't polar bears eat penguins?
A. They can't get the silver paper off.
DC
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LFS
That will be lost on our Leftpondian friends. BTW what sort of
comestible is a 3 Musketeers?
Paul Wolff
successor.
Meanwhile, may I recommend to Madam the plump porcini nestled on a wedge
of grilled yellow polenta and topped with lardo di Colonnata, the
melt-in-the-mouth cured lard from Tuscany. And can one get a papal
dispensation from kosher, in an emergency?
--
Paul
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
> Django Cat wrote:
> > Alain Dekker wrote:
>
> >> Subject: Polar bears and Emporer penguins?
> >> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:26:04 GMT
> >> Message-ID: <498f6a1e$...@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>
> >> Lines: 17
>
> >> I'm not sure how to ask this question, but you know how you watch a
> >> movie about, say, the Ancient Eqyptians and one of the characters is
> >> wearing a wristwatch. There's a word for that faux pas, which is, I
> >> think "anachronism".
>
> >> My question is, lets say you are watching a movie about polar bears
> >> and they show you, or talk about, polar bears catching and eating
> >> Emporer penguins.
>
> >> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are
> >> strictly South Pole. This cannot happen.
>
> >> What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
>
> > Q. Why don't polar bears eat penguins?
> > A. They can't get the silver paper off.
>
> That will be lost on our Leftpondian friends.
Quite. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguin_(biscuit)>?
> BTW what sort of
> comestible is a 3 Musketeers?
A thin layer of chocolate-colored stuff around a bar of sugar-based
solid-ish goo. I used to love them.
--
Jerry Friedman
Default User
As I recall, it's similar to what a Milky Way is in the UK, with the US
Milky Way being essentially the UK Mars Bar.
Brian
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Lew
> On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:45:19 -0500, Lew <no...@lewscanon.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Martin Ambuhl wrote:
>>> Irina Rempt wrote:
>>>> On Monday 09 February 2009 04:39, Lew wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Emperor" penguins.
>>>> Thanks; you beat me to that.
>>> Three hours after I did.
>> Congratulations. You win.
>
> Was there a prize?
>
A million Enten.
--
Lew
tony cooper
I guessed, but I must have been wrong. My guess was "some type of ice
cream bar", but Google shows that McVities Penguins are milk chocolate
covered biscuit bars. But the wrapper is red, white, and blue.
My guess was an ice cream bar because our Klondikes are wrapped in
silver paper.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Hatunen
<defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
When I was quite young, post WW2, the Three Musketeers bar had
two deep notches in it that created a triple bar you could sort
of break off at the notches. They advertised it as the candy bar
you could share with two friends. Over the years, the notches
grew shallower and shallower and finally disappeared.
Evan Kirshenbaum
> Some people might call it a "geographical cockup", but if you want a
> term analogous to "anachronism" you can choose between "anachorism"
> and "anatopism".
"Anachorism" gets 81 Google Books hits, dating back to 1801:
Is it to be wondered at, that when the passions of the people were
agitated by the persuasitve powers of a Demosthenes, while the
thunder of his eloquence was yet sounding in their ears, the
orator should be absolute master of their resolves? But an
apostle or evangelist, (for there is no anachorism in a bare
supposition) might have thus addressed the celebrated Athenian,
...
George Campbell, _The Philosophy of Rhetoric_,
1801.
By the way, the OED calls "anachorism" a nonce-word, citing it only to
1862, so
[Attn Jesse Sheidlower: OED antedating]
I see 9 hits from 1801 through 1854.
"Anatopism" gets 64 hits, going back to 1836, though the OED (which
calls it "rare"), cites it to 1812.
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LFS
Sounds delicious. Only in life-or-death situations, where I believe that
the dispensation is automatic and does not require papal intervention.
James Hogg
<kirsh...@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
>James Hogg <Jas.H...@SPAM.gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Some people might call it a "geographical cockup", but if you want a
>> term analogous to "anachronism" you can choose between "anachorism"
>> and "anatopism".
>
>"Anachorism" gets 81 Google Books hits, dating back to 1801:
>
> Is it to be wondered at, that when the passions of the people were
> agitated by the persuasitve powers of a Demosthenes, while the
> thunder of his eloquence was yet sounding in their ears, the
> orator should be absolute master of their resolves? But an
> apostle or evangelist, (for there is no anachorism in a bare
> supposition) might have thus addressed the celebrated Athenian,
> ...
>
> George Campbell, _The Philosophy of Rhetoric_,
> 1801.
>
>By the way, the OED calls "anachorism" a nonce-word, citing it only to
>1862, so
>
> [Attn Jesse Sheidlower: OED antedating]
>
>I see 9 hits from 1801 through 1854.
>
>"Anatopism" gets 64 hits, going back to 1836, though the OED (which
>calls it "rare"), cites it to 1812.
I think "anachronism" and "anachorism" make rather a nice pair.
It's a good parallel to the combination of "chronological and
chorological" that you find in archaeology and other subjects.
By the way, if you Google for "chronological and chorological"
you will be asked:
Did you mean: "chronological and chronological"
James
(BrE with a distinctly septentrional flavour)
the Omrud
> Django Cat wrote:
>> Alain Dekker wrote:
>>
>>> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are
>>> strictly South Pole. This cannot happen.
>>>
>>> What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
>>
>> Q. Why don't polar bears eat penguins?
>> A. They can't get the silver paper off.
Silver paper? Silver paper?! When was the last time you unwrapped a
penguin?
> That will be lost on our Leftpondian friends. BTW what sort of
> comestible is a 3 Musketeers?
=UK Milky Way, close enough.
--
David
the Omrud
And for many years there was a joke on the back of the wrapper, which is
some sort of plastic.
--
David
LFS
> LFS wrote:
>> Django Cat wrote:
>>> Alain Dekker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are
>>>> strictly South Pole. This cannot happen.
>>>>
>>>> What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
>>>
>>> Q. Why don't polar bears eat penguins?
>>> A. They can't get the silver paper off.
>
> Silver paper? Silver paper?! When was the last time you unwrapped a
> penguin?
Taking this remark more seriously than it warrants, "silver paper" to me
implies the sort of thin wrapping you get on chocolates: some varieties
in Quality Street, for example. Penguins were always wrapped in fairly
substantial paper which, although shiny on the outside, I would not have
described as silver paper. (No, I am not shiny on the outside.)
>
>> That will be lost on our Leftpondian friends. BTW what sort of
>> comestible is a 3 Musketeers?
>
> =UK Milky Way, close enough.
>
Thanks for that, and the other elucidations. My US friend described
sharing a 3 Musketeers with her daughter on a plane trip and for a
moment I envisioned them reading a single copy of Dumas.
Ian Jackson
<la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> writes
>>>> Q. Why don't polar bears eat penguins?
>>>> A. They can't get the silver paper off.
>> Silver paper? Silver paper?! When was the last time you unwrapped
>>a penguin?
>
>Taking this remark more seriously than it warrants, "silver paper" to
>me implies the sort of thin wrapping you get on chocolates: some
>varieties in Quality Street, for example. Penguins were always wrapped
>in fairly substantial paper which, although shiny on the outside, I
>would not have described as silver paper. (No, I am not shiny on the
>outside.)
>
No. Penguins only have 'silvered' coloured plastic wrappers. Kit-Kats do
have silver paper, inside a wrap-around paper sleeve. If there were kats
at the North Pole, would the polar bears eat them?
--
Ian
the Omrud
Not for many years. They're now sealed in crimped plastic wrappers,
like all chocolate bars these days. Shocking.
--
David
Ian Jackson
<usenet...@gEXPUNGEmail.com> writes
Then I threw all caution to the wind, and deleted the "did?". As they
say, "Sic transit gloria mundi" (or was it "tuesdi"?).
--
Ian
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
wrote:
Ahem. All?
Jacob's CLUB Mint pack of 8. The outer wrapper is sealed plastic. Each
individual bar is wrapped in silvered paper which is held in place by a paper
sleeve in the traditional manner.
"Thick milk chocolate with a smooth, cool mint flavoured cream and a crunchy
biscuit."
The sealed outer wrapping is visible in the picture here:
http://www.abitofhome.ca/page/C1/PROD/2030910
Inside, the individual bars will be in the traditional non-sealed wrapping.
the Omrud
Ah, but religious wars can be started over whether the Club is a
"chocolate bar" or a chocolate bar.
--
David
Chuck Riggs
Why did you say "very rare"? Polar bears, as I understand them, are
little more than white brown bears.
--
Regards,
Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland
Fran Kemmish
> No. Penguins only have 'silvered' coloured plastic wrappers. Kit-Kats do
> have silver paper, inside a wrap-around paper sleeve. If there were kats
> at the North Pole, would the polar bears eat them?
I don't know what polar bears eat, but when my daughter was at school in
California, she was told that, if she met a bear, she was to give it her
Three Musketeers bar.
Fran
Django Cat
> >>
> >> Q. Why don't polar bears eat penguins?
> >> A. They can't get the silver paper off.
> >>
> >
> > That will be lost on our Leftpondian friends. BTW what sort of
> > comestible is a 3 Musketeers?
>
> I guessed, but I must have been wrong. My guess was "some type of ice
> cream bar", but Google shows that McVities Penguins are milk chocolate
> covered biscuit bars. But the wrapper is red, white, and blue.
But sadly, according to Jerry's link and NICTOI, no longer wrapped in
silver paper.
'Silver paper' - crosspondian?
Have we done this penguins/polar bears/silver paper thing before or is
this deja vu all over again?
DC
--
Django Cat
> > > Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are
> > > strictly South Pole. This cannot happen.
> > >
> > > What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
> >
> >
> > Q. Why penguins?
> > A. They can't get the silver paper off.
> >
>
> That will be lost on our Leftpondian friends. BTW what sort of
> comestible is a 3 Musketeers?
I gather it's a chocolate bar. I'm all for localisation of humour, but
"why don't polar bears eat the 3 Musketeers?" just doesn't work.
DC
--
Django Cat
> > Django Cat wrote:
> > > Alain Dekker wrote:
> > >
> > > > Now polar bears are strictly North Pole and Emporer penguins are
> > > > strictly South Pole. This cannot happen.
> > > >
> > > > What is the term, if there is one, for this, please?
> > >
> > > Q. Why don't polar bears eat penguins?
> > > A. They can't get the silver paper off.
>
> Silver paper? Silver paper?! When was the last time you unwrapped a
> penguin?
Oh tempora, oh mores (ish)
DC
--
Ian Jackson
<nota...@address.com> writes
The 4th photo shows a KitKat with the original type of wrapping in
silver paper (OK - aluminium foil).
<http://www.nestle.co.uk/OurBrands/AboutOurBrands/ConfectioneryAndCakes/K
itKat.htm>
I haven't had one for years, but I can still feel the thrill of
anticipation when running a finger nail along the silver paper
(following the groove beneath), and breaking off a delicious finger of
chocolate-covered biscuit.
As it says at the bottom, "Have a break, have a KitKat".
--
Ian
Default User
> On 10 Feb 2009 00:56:10 GMT, "Default User"
> <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > jerry_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >> On Feb 9, 4:25 pm, LFS <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > Django Cat wrote:
> >
> >> > BTW what sort of
> >> > comestible is a 3 Musketeers?
> >>
> >> A thin layer of chocolate-colored stuff around a bar of sugar-based
> >> solid-ish goo. I used to love them.
> >
> > As I recall, it's similar to what a Milky Way is in the UK, with
> > the US Milky Way being essentially the UK Mars Bar.
>
> When I was quite young, post WW2, the Three Musketeers bar had
> two deep notches in it that created a triple bar you could sort
> of break off at the notches. They advertised it as the candy bar
> you could share with two friends. Over the years, the notches
> grew shallower and shallower and finally disappeared.
Originally, it had three flavors of nougat. Eventually the chocolate
became the only flavor. This was all from reading wikipedia, as I have
no personal memory. The usual caveats apply.
Brian
--
Day 7 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
>"why don't polar bears eat the 3 Musketeers?"
They are protected by D'Artagnan.
Fran Kemmish
Specialisation: pandas only eat bamboo shoots; koalas only eat
eucalyptus shoots; polar bears eat Penguins; California bears eat Three
Musketeers.
Fran
Django Cat
> In message <kWhkl.39370$v6.1...@newsfe25.ams2>, Django Cat
> <nota...@address.com> writes
> > tony cooper wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> >>>> Q. Why don't polar bears eat penguins?
> >>>> A. They can't get the silver paper off.
> > > > >
> > > >
> >>> That will be lost on our Leftpondian friends. BTW what sort of
> >>> comestible is a 3 Musketeers?
> > >
> > > I guessed, but I must have been wrong. My guess was "some type
> > > of ice cream bar", but Google shows that McVities Penguins are
> > > milk chocolate covered biscuit bars. But the wrapper is red,
> > > white, and blue.
> >
> > But sadly, according to Jerry's link and NICTOI, no longer wrapped
> > in silver paper.
> >
> > 'Silver paper' - crosspondian?
> >
> > Have we done this penguins/polar bears/silver paper thing before or
> > is this deja vu all over again?
> >
> > DC
>
> The 4th photo shows a KitKat with the original type of wrapping in
> silver paper (OK - aluminium foil).
>
> <http://www.nestle.co.uk/OurBrands/AboutOurBrands/ConfectioneryAndCake
> s/K itKat.htm>
>
> I haven't had one for years, but I can still feel the thrill of
> anticipation when running a finger nail along the silver paper
> (following the groove beneath), and breaking off a delicious finger
> of chocolate-covered biscuit. As it says at the bottom, "Have a
> break, have a KitKat".
Two finger or four-finger?
DC
--
Ian Jackson
expect that I used to buy the 4-finger.
--
Ian
Mike Lyle
> Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
[...]
>>
>> Jacob's CLUB Mint pack of 8. The outer wrapper is sealed plastic.
>> Each individual bar is wrapped in silvered paper which is held in
>> place by a paper sleeve in the traditional manner.
>>
>> "Thick milk chocolate with a smooth, cool mint flavoured cream and a
>> crunchy biscuit."
>>
>> The sealed outer wrapping is visible in the picture here:
>> http://www.abitofhome.ca/page/C1/PROD/2030910
>>
>> Inside, the individual bars will be in the traditional non-sealed
>> wrapping.
>
> Ah, but religious wars can be started over whether the Club is a
> "chocolate bar" or a chocolate bar.
"If you like a lot of choc'lit on your biscuit, join our Club." That
suggests the makers thought of the comestible as more " 'chocolate bar'
" than "chocolate bar".
--
Mike.
LFS
I imagined that Mike's "polar-brown crosses" must be rather like tabby cats.
LFS
It is neither. All together now: "If you want a bit of chocolate on your
biscuit, join our club."
stephanie...@telenet.be
> I imagined that Mike's "polar-brown crosses" must be rather like tabby cats.
I'm assuming you don't mean that in a 'small enough to sit on your
lap' or 'likes to sit in the sun and purr' kind of way of being
'rather like', so... to quote Angus Deaton, 'in what way, "rather
like"?' I'm struggling with this one.
atb,
Stephanie in soggy Brussels
stephanie...@telenet.be
>
> Q. Why don't polar bears eat penguins?
> A. They can't get the silver paper off.
<massive applause and appreciative laughter from the sofa here>
stephanie...@telenet.be
> jerry_fried...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 4:25 pm, LFS <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Q. Why don't polar bears eat penguins?
> > > > A. They can't get the silver paper off.
>
>
>
> > > BTW what sort of
> > > comestible is a 3 Musketeers?
>
> > solid-ish goo. I used to love them.
>
> As I recall, it's similar to what a Milky Way is in the UK, with the US
> Milky Way being essentially the UK Mars Bar.
>
Oh yes! Got so many of my guilty vending machine pleasures in one
sentence and both sides of the Pond. Thank you so much, very pleasant
thoughts for end of the day.
cheers,
Stephanie
stephanie...@telenet.be
O tempura, o s'mores?
TDF
LFS
Ah, I had missed this when I posted (cross-and-tangled-thread alert: I'm
sorry at that, Mr D). But surely it means that the makers thought of it
as a biscuit?
Wood Avens
Im envisaging rather appealiing stripes.
--
Katy Jennison
spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @
LFS
No, I meant in colouring, in response to Chuck's suggestion that polar
bears were white brown bears. Perhaps I don't mean tabby. More
tortoiseshell. Or calico.
Mike Lyle
> Mike Lyle wrote:
>> the Omrud wrote:
>>> Ah, but religious wars can be started over whether the Club is a
>>> "chocolate bar" or a chocolate bar.
>>
>> "If you like a lot of choc'lit on your biscuit, join our Club." That
>> suggests the makers thought of the comestible as more " 'chocolate
>> bar' " than "chocolate bar".
>>
>
> Ah, I had missed this when I posted (cross-and-tangled-thread alert:
> I'm sorry at that, Mr D). But surely it means that the makers thought
> of it as a biscuit?
Hence my, I thought carefully articulated, scare quotes round the "bar"
part.
When I was Up Against It, housekeeping-wise, the weekly shop usually
included a big bag of broken chocolate biscuits from KwikSave to hand
out to the yoof. I used to choose one which had a lot of chocolate ones
visible, and it was surprising how many perfectly decent but slightly
foxed* Penguins there would be.
*OK, I couldn't resist. They were in truth slightly dented, cornerless,
or undersized, and of course all innocent of any wrapping.
--
Mike.
Mike Lyle
I think they come--if they come at all, since I gather it's a disputed
matter--in plain colour only. I'm no bearologist, but it's on the Web
somewhere. Polar bears, I think I've read, have black skin and
"fibre-optic" fur, which I don't think grizzlies do.
--
Mike.
the Omrud
> Have we done this penguins/polar bears/silver paper thing before or is
> this deja vu all over again?
It's a conditioned reflex in many. Me included.
--
David
the Omrud
I forget which programme I was listening to a few days ago when I heard
an American lady pronounce that as "more's"
--
David
the Omrud
Damn. That's where I came in. Usenet has rotated once again.
--
David
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>LFS wrote:
>> Mike Lyle wrote:
>>> the Omrud wrote:
>[...]
>>>> Ah, but religious wars can be started over whether the Club is a
>>>> "chocolate bar" or a chocolate bar.
>>>
>>> "If you like a lot of choc'lit on your biscuit, join our Club." That
>>> suggests the makers thought of the comestible as more " 'chocolate
>>> bar' " than "chocolate bar".
>>>
>>
>> Ah, I had missed this when I posted (cross-and-tangled-thread alert:
>> I'm sorry at that, Mr D). But surely it means that the makers thought
>> of it as a biscuit?
>
>Hence my, I thought carefully articulated, scare quotes round the "bar"
>part.
>
>When I was Up Against It, housekeeping-wise, the weekly shop usually
>included a big bag of broken chocolate biscuits from KwikSave to hand
>out to the yoof. I used to choose one which had a lot of chocolate ones
>visible, and it was surprising how many perfectly decent but slightly
>foxed* Penguins there would be.
>
*[substitute footnote] I think we can link the iciness of the habitats of
polar bears and penguins, foxed-ness and edibility in Fox's Glacier Mints.
http://www.foxs.co.uk/foxsrange.php
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
wrote:
>Django Cat wrote:
In a listserv-powered forum that I was in some years ago the word was
habitually spelled "morees". This seemed to be the benefit of a blind
participant.
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:42:04 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
> >Best to plan a few years ahead, after all. A propos, are we going to see
> >more of those very rare polar-brown crosses, do you think? They could be
> >a very scary payback by Mother Nature.
>
> Why did you say "very rare"?
Heh. They are very rare, though. The ranges barely (ahem) meet, and
I don't think they used to.
> Polar bears, as I understand them, are little more than white brown bears.
I didn't realize how "little more" they are, at least genetically.
However, there are significant differences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear#Taxonomy_and_evolution looks
reliable-ish.
--
Jerry Friedman
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
wrote:
[Polar-grizzly crosses]
> I think they come--if they come at all, since I gather it's a disputed
> matter--in plain colour only. I'm no bearologist, but it's on the Web
> somewhere. Polar bears, I think I've read, have black skin and
> "fibre-optic" fur,
I really enjoy that. How to be camouflaged in snow while absorbing
sunlight.
> which I don't think grizzlies do.
More grizzled, innit.
--
Jerry Friedman
Robert Bannister
> Specialisation: pandas only eat bamboo shoots; koalas only eat
> eucalyptus shoots; polar bears eat Penguins; California bears eat Three
> Musketeers.
When I was still teaching, it used to amaze me observing the
specialisation of birds: how the sacred ibis has a special beak that
enables it to rip through the GladWrap to consume a sandwich, whilst the
raven uses its claws like hands to unwrap the sandwich carefully. Doves
are painfully ill-equipped for dealing with children's discarded lunches
and can only pick up the crumbs.
How this evolution took place in the short period since clingwrap was
invented must puzzle scientists.
--
Rob Bannister
jerry_f...@yahoo.com
> Fran Kemmish wrote:
> > Specialisation: pandas only eat bamboo shoots; koalas only eat
> > eucalyptus shoots; polar bears eat Penguins; California bears eat Three
> > Musketeers.
>
> When I was still teaching, it used to amaze me observing the
> specialisation of birds: how the sacred ibis has a special beak that
> enables it to rip through the GladWrap to consume a sandwich, whilst the
> raven uses its claws like hands to unwrap the sandwich carefully. Doves
> are painfully ill-equipped for dealing with children's discarded lunches
> and can only pick up the crumbs.
Children discard lunches? I know I never left anything but crumbs.
> How this evolution took place in the short period since clingwrap was
> invented must puzzle scientists.
While we're on the subject of how birds eat, here's a blog post with a
video people might enjoy. (I'm serious about this, unlike the Blue-
Black Grassquit--though I did enjoy that one.)
http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2009/02/give_a_bird_a_piece_of_bread_a.php
--
Jerry Friedman
Django Cat
> > > Silver paper? Silver paper?! When was the last time you
> > > unwrapped a penguin?
> >
> > Oh tempora, oh mores (ish)
>
> I forget which programme I was listening to a few days ago when I
> heard an American lady pronounce that as "more's"
I thought it had to do with Japanese batter..
DC
--
John Varela
<defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hatunen wrote:
>
> > On 10 Feb 2009 00:56:10 GMT, "Default User"
> > <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > jerry_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Feb 9, 4:25 pm, LFS <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> > Django Cat wrote:
> > >
> > >> > BTW what sort of
> > >> > comestible is a 3 Musketeers?
> > >>
> > >> A thin layer of chocolate-colored stuff around a bar of sugar-based
> > >> solid-ish goo. I used to love them.
> > >
> > > As I recall, it's similar to what a Milky Way is in the UK, with
> > > the US Milky Way being essentially the UK Mars Bar.
> >
> > When I was quite young, post WW2, the Three Musketeers bar had
> > two deep notches in it that created a triple bar you could sort
> > of break off at the notches. They advertised it as the candy bar
> > you could share with two friends. Over the years, the notches
> > grew shallower and shallower and finally disappeared.
>
> Originally, it had three flavors of nougat. Eventually the chocolate
> became the only flavor. This was all from reading wikipedia, as I have
> no personal memory. The usual caveats apply.
I do have a personal memory of the three-flavor version: chocolate,
vanilla, and strawberry, like Neapolitan ice cream. The stuff
inside is fondant, not nougat.
fon-dant
Show Spelled Pronunciation [fon-duhnt; Fr. fawn-dahn]
1. a thick, creamy sugar paste, the basis of many candies.
2. a candy made of this paste.
Origin:
1875?80; < F: lit., melting, prp. of fondre to melt, found 3
Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
nou-gat
Show Spelled Pronunciation [noo-guht, noo-gah]
a chewy or brittle candy containing almonds or other nuts and
sometimes fruit.
Origin:
1820?30; < F < Pr ? VL *nuc?tum, n. use of neut. of *nuc?tus, equiv.
to L nuc- (s. of nux) nut + -?tus -ate 1
Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
--
John Varela
Trade OLD lamps for NEW for email
Richard Bollard
>On 10 Feb 2009 00:56:10 GMT, "Default User"
><defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>jerry_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 4:25 pm, LFS <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>>> > Django Cat wrote:
>>
>>> > BTW what sort of
>>> > comestible is a 3 Musketeers?
>>>
>>> A thin layer of chocolate-colored stuff around a bar of sugar-based
>>> solid-ish goo. I used to love them.
>>
>>As I recall, it's similar to what a Milky Way is in the UK, with the US
>>Milky Way being essentially the UK Mars Bar.
>
>When I was quite young, post WW2, the Three Musketeers bar had
>two deep notches in it that created a triple bar you could sort
>of break off at the notches. They advertised it as the candy bar
>you could share with two friends. Over the years, the notches
>grew shallower and shallower and finally disappeared.
As did the friends.
--
Richard Bollard
Canberra Australia
To email, I'm at AMT not spAMT.
Richard Bollard
<fkem...@rcn.coml.com> wrote:
...
>
>Specialisation: pandas only eat bamboo shoots; koalas only eat
>eucalyptus shoots;
...
Leaves actually and only one sort. It's the wombat that eats, shoots,
roots, and leaves.
The photo on this page has been doing the rounds via email. I found it
using Google News with keywords "koala" and "bushfire".
Richard Bollard
That's some sofa.
LFS
Clever, Mr D. Now you have sparked a craving for said sweets which can't
immediately be satisfied. I shall have to spend some time reminding
myself that they are far sweeter and not nearly as minty as they used to
be when I was young.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:04:35 -0500, Fran Kemmish
><fkem...@rcn.coml.com> wrote:
>
>...
>>
>>Specialisation: pandas only eat bamboo shoots; koalas only eat
>>eucalyptus shoots;
>...
>
>Leaves actually and only one sort. It's the wombat that eats, shoots,
>roots, and leaves.
>
>The photo on this page has been doing the rounds via email. I found it
>using Google News with keywords "koala" and "bushfire".
>
>http://www.babble.com.au/2009/02/11/babble-wrap-woman-and-children-survive-fire-by-hiding-in-wombat-hole/
There's a word in one of the reports there that's new to me: "coronial".
... taken to a temporary mortuary established in the grounds of the
coronial headquarters in Melbourne.
It is not known to OED.
OneLook.com finds it in a single dictionary:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=coronial&r=66
Main Entry: coronial
Part of Speech: adj
Definition: pertaining to a coroner or coroner's office
Example: The adequacy of coronial inquests will be reviewed.
Webster's New Millennium™ Dictionary of English, Preview Edition (v 0.9.7)
Copyright © 2003-2009 Dictionary.com, LLC
James Hogg
So it's not a new rhotic version of the wild colonial boy?
James
Roland Hutchinson
One of the lingering, if small, regrets of my life is that I saw the
three-flavor version advertised WIWAL but never tried it. When I finally
got around to sampling a Three Musketeers bar many years later, at first I
thought I had imagined the whole thing.
--
Roland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food.
NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to
remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it.
Roland Hutchinson
Meanwhile, the US Mars Bar has been altered into the hard-to-find Almond
Snickers bar, and the _echt_ American Mars Bar is, at long last, no more.
Roland Hutchinson
You can set your watch by it.
Roland Hutchinson
> The photo on this page has been doing the rounds via email. I found it
> using Google News with keywords "koala" and "bushfire".
>
>
http://www.babble.com.au/2009/02/11/babble-wrap-woman-and-children-survive-fire-by-hiding-in-wombat-hole/
Interesting bit of usage, to my ear, in that story: "coronial headquarters".
Not an AmE adjective, as far as I know.
Amethyst Deceiver
mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk says...
>
> the Omrud wrote:
> > Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
> [...]
> >>
> >> Jacob's CLUB Mint pack of 8. The outer wrapper is sealed plastic.
> >> Each individual bar is wrapped in silvered paper which is held in
> >> place by a paper sleeve in the traditional manner.
> >>
> >> "Thick milk chocolate with a smooth, cool mint flavoured cream and a
> >> crunchy biscuit."
> >>
> >> The sealed outer wrapping is visible in the picture here:
> >> http://www.abitofhome.ca/page/C1/PROD/2030910
> >>
> >> Inside, the individual bars will be in the traditional non-sealed
> >> wrapping.
> >
> > Ah, but religious wars can be started over whether the Club is a
> > "chocolate bar" or a chocolate bar.
>
> "If you like a lot of choc'lit on your biscuit, join our Club." That
> suggests the makers thought of the comestible as more " 'chocolate bar'
> " than "chocolate bar".
I remember the days of eating Clubs, nibbling the chocolate off from the
edges before biting into the biscuit and being delighted more than once
to find that there was no biscuit.
--
Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary
the Omrud
> Clever, Mr D. Now you have sparked a craving for said sweets which can't
> immediately be satisfied. I shall have to spend some time reminding
> myself that they are far sweeter and not nearly as minty as they used to
> be when I was young.
Could apply to many of us ...
I complained some time ago about the disappearance of the Iced Caramel
from Woolies' pic'n'mix. I reckon that's why they went bust. You can
buy them online, but it's a choice between half a pound with outrageous
postage charge or a whole sweet jar which I'd feel obliged to consume.
http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/iced-caramels-p-334.html
Aha! They are sold in reasonable quantities at Lakeland. We were at
the fount of Lakeland last week and bought a box. They aren't bad, but
they're not quite the same and I note that they are a different make.
And they cost even more than those above, but at least you can buy them
on the spot.
http://www.lakeland.co.uk/iced-caramels/F/keyword/caramel/product/12886
--
David
Chuck Riggs
Hold on. I believe a grizzly bear is different from a brown bear,
which is a brown polar bear, sorta.
BTW, where is Polar?
--
Regards,
Chuck Riggs
Near Dublin, Ireland