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John Seal

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Jan 25, 2011, 9:54:51 AM1/25/11
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"Stefan Ram" <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote in message
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> »This is too smart a bird.« (3')

»This is too smart of a bird.« (3'')

Judging from other threads, at least.


John Lawler

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Jan 25, 2011, 2:39:08 PM1/25/11
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On Jan 24, 11:04 pm, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
>   »This is smart.« (0)
>
>   »This is too smart.« (1)
>
>   »This is a smart bird.« (2)
>
>  *»This is a too smart bird.« (3)

>   »This is too smart a bird.« (3')
>
>   When the step from (0) to (1) is applied to (2),
>   one gets (3), but instead one uses (3') IIRC.
>
>   Is there a name for the construction as in (3')?
>   Is there a rationale for not using (3) but (3')?

"Too" is part of a construction, and must be used
in accordance with that construction. Like many
English constructions, there is often material
left out that makes it hard to see what's going on.

"Too smart a bird" is a construction formed
from a NP like (putting back all the stuff that's left out)

a bird which is too smart for [the bird to VP/
(for one) to V the bird]

which in turn comes from

a bird which is so smart that [the bird does/can not VP
one does/can not V the
bird]

(where VP refers to a default Verb Phrase,
deleted in context, and V is the verb of that VP)

Note that it's not clear what role "bird" plays in the reduced
relative clause -- it may be too smart to eat poisonous food
(Subject), or too smart for a hunter to trap it (Object). As Mark
Brader pointed out recently in a different thread, this is common
in English.

If everybody already understands the context, they can dispense
with most of the stuff; but "too smart" has to go into the Quantifier
slot of the NP, where it precedes the article, because it *is* a
quantifier and refers to the stuff that's been deleted.

The ungrammaticality of "too small box" is part of
what makes the adventures of Maru so entertaining:
http://www.youtube.com/user/mugumogu#p/u/7/2XID_W4neJo

-John Lawler http://www.umich.edu/~jlawler/aue
"Because in our brief lives, we catch so little of the vastness of
history, we tend too much to think of language as being solid as
a dictionary, with granite-like permanence, rather than as the
rampant restless sea of metaphor that it is." -- Julian Jaynes

annily

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Jan 26, 2011, 1:32:15 AM1/26/11
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I hope you're not serious. I hate that needless addition of "of", which
seems to be common in the US. It makes no sense.

--
Long-time resident of Adelaide, South Australia,
which probably influences my opinions.

John Seal

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Jan 26, 2011, 7:50:13 AM1/26/11
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"annily" <ann...@annily.invalid> wrote in message
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> I hope you're not serious. I hate that needless addition of "of", which
> seems to be common in the US. It makes no sense.

It was a joke.

I had just been reading the thread about the extra "of", which is extremely
common around here (central Indiana).


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