Help: Poker English
Kane
non-speakers know) how poker is played in English world. What I know
till now is just these simple terms like "spade", "heart", "club",
"diamond", "ace", "jack", "queen", "king" and "joker"; that's it!
Do you have a *diamond jack* or *heart 4* in your poker game? How about
a pair of *4*(spade and heart)? What is a third 4 is added, say club? A
forth...? And how about 5 consecutive cards(if not 5, whatever.)? Or
both jokers get in your hand? Things like that.
These *?* may annoy you, but I really wanna know that.
Could anyone help me out? The more the better!
Thanks~~
Sara Lorimer
> Having been learning English for eight years, I don't know(hardly would
> non-speakers know) how poker is played in English world. What I know
> till now is just these simple terms like "spade", "heart", "club",
> "diamond", "ace", "jack", "queen", "king" and "joker"; that's it!
> Do you have a *diamond jack*
Jack of diamonds
> or *heart 4* in your poker game?
Four of hearts
>How about
> a pair of *4*(spade and heart)?
A pair
> What is a third 4 is added, say club?
Three of a kind
> A
> forth...?
Four of a kind
> And how about 5 consecutive cards(if not 5, whatever.)?
A straight, or -- if they're the same suit -- a straight flush.
> Or
> both jokers get in your hand?
I've never played poker with jokers (cue lousy puns)
> Things like that.
> These *?* may annoy you, but I really wanna know that.
> Could anyone help me out? The more the better!
> Thanks~~
Try searching "poker terms," or else reading a book about poker. Card
games can get very slangy, and friends who play together frequently
often come up with their own terms.
--
SML
Don Phillipson
news:1140968245....@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Having been learning English for eight years, I don't know(hardly would
> non-speakers know) how poker is played in English world. What I know
> till now is just these simple terms like "spade", "heart", "club",
> "diamond", "ace", "jack", "queen", "king" and "joker"; that's it!
> Do you have a *diamond jack* or *heart 4* in your poker game? How about
> a pair of *4*(spade and heart)? What is a third 4 is added, say club? A
> forth...? And how about 5 consecutive cards(if not 5, whatever.)? Or
> both jokers get in your hand? Things like that.
These terms apply to all card games, not just
poker. The games are different (e.g. jokers are
not valid cards in most games) but the names that
identify the cards are unform. The games differ
in how they name particular configurations of cards,
e.g. there is no Full House in bridge.
There are several varieties of poker. You will probably
learn the game faster if you begin in only one variety.
The standard pack of 52 cards includes equal
numbers of four suits (coloured symbols), spades,
harts, clubs and diamonds. The 13 cards in a single
suit have distinct values, Ace=1, the other numbers,
and Jack, Queen and King.
In most games the Ace is the top-valued card, but
not in all games (e.g. pontoon or blackjack, chemin de fer).
But the nomenclature of the cards is the same.
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Tony Cooper
(Sara Lorimer) wrote:
>
>> Or
>> both jokers get in your hand?
>
>I've never played poker with jokers (cue lousy puns)
I noticed that you said all this (including what I snipped) without
any expression on your face that would indicate what you are holding.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Sara Lorimer
There'll be time enough for word play when the dealing's done.
--
SML
R J Valentine
} Having been learning English for eight years, I don't know(hardly would
} non-speakers know) how poker is played in English world. What I know
} till now is just these simple terms like "spade", "heart", "club",
} "diamond", "ace", "jack", "queen", "king" and "joker"; that's it!
So far, so good. You'll get dozens of answers to this (mostly identical),
and I'm only starting the ball rolling. The interesting part will be if
there are any disagreements.
} Do you have a *diamond jack* or *heart 4* in your poker game?
Jack of diamonds, 4 of hearts.
} How about
} a pair of *4*(spade and heart)?
A pair of fours. Two of one and two of another is "two pair[s]". On
_M*A*S*H_ one time, Hawkeye declared four of a kind to be two pair,
presumably as a joke, but in any serious poker game it would lose to a
properly declared three of a kind.
} What is a third 4 is added, say club? A
} forth...?
Fourth. Three of a kind and four of a kind, respectively. In this case
three fours or four fours. Threes are also called treys and twos are also
called deuces. Aces are rarely if ever called ones.
} And how about 5 consecutive cards(if not 5, whatever.)?
A straight. An "inside straight" is either not a straight or a straight,
depending on whether the cat is alive when you open the box. It might be
a pair if the player is lucky.
} Or
} both jokers get in your hand?
Girly poker. Five men and a woman were playing "dealer's choice", which
lasted until the woman dealt, when she said "Five-card stud, of course",
after which it was all five-card stud with nothing wild.
} Things like that.
You'd have to name them. The rules are probably googlable. Erk'll
know. He googles anything.
} These *?* may annoy you, but I really wanna know that.
} Could anyone help me out? The more the better!
Sure. Don't use "*?*" instead of spelling out "questions". Don't use
"wanna" ever in writing. "That" is wrong there, but it's too fine a point
to bother with.
} Thanks~~
My pleasure.
--
rjv
Robert Lieblich
[ ... ]
> In most games the Ace is the top-valued card, but
> not in all games (e.g. pontoon or blackjack, chemin de fer).
> But the nomenclature of the cards is the same.
In gin rummy (at least as I learned it) the ace is always the lowest
card of its suit.
In pinochle the nine of trumps is the "dix," pronounced "deece."
I'm sure we all know Pique Dame.
--
Bob Lieblich
Who doesn't know the Choctaw names of any cards
Kane
> "wanna" ever in writing. "That" is wrong there, but it's too fine a point
> to bother with.
Thanks.
But I really meant "question mark" there.
"that" should be replaced by "answers", right? Or it'll seem like it's
the "?" that I want to (no "wanna" in wrtting any more!) know about.
Tony Cooper
<d.phil...@ttrryytteell.com> wrote:
>The standard pack of 52 cards includes equal
>numbers of four suits (coloured symbols), spades,
>harts, clubs and diamonds. The 13 cards in a single
>suit have distinct values, Ace=1, the other numbers,
>and Jack, Queen and King.
>
Sorry, but one of the things we do here in aue is look for exceptions
to anything and everything that is said. In Blackjack the Ace=1 or
the Ace=11.
Kane
> "wanna" ever in writing. "That" is wrong there, but it's too fine a point
> to bother with.
Thanks.
But I really meant "question mark" there.
"that" should be replaced by "answers", right? Or it'll seem like it's
the "?" that I want to (no "wanna" in wrtting any more!) know about.
I would be more careful later on.
R H Draney
>
>A pair of fours. Two of one and two of another is "two pair[s]". On
>_M*A*S*H_ one time, Hawkeye declared four of a kind to be two pair,
>presumably as a joke, but in any serious poker game it would lose to a
>properly declared three of a kind.
Also in the movie "Maverick": "two small pair...eights...and eights"....
Earlier in a Bugs Bunny cartoon: "all I have is two pair...a pair of ones, and
another pair of ones"....
I could never remember which jacks were one-eyed....r
R J Valentine
[Lane had previously written, but later snipped:]
} Things like that.
} These *?* may annoy you, but I really wanna know that.
} Could anyone help me out? The more the better!
[In response to which I had written (among other things):]
}> Sure. Don't use "*?*" instead of spelling out "questions". Don't use
}> "wanna" ever in writing. "That" is wrong there, but it's too fine a point
}> to bother with.
}
} Thanks.
} But I really meant "question mark" there.
Except for the "*?*", all the question marks were correct and
unremarkable. I doubt that the question marks annoyed anyone, though the
questions themselves may have annoyed people who want to keep the
newsgroup free of mere terminology questions. If you did really mean
"question mark" there, it makes no sense to me. If you had used multiple
question marks at the end of a question, that might be annoying to some,
but I didn't notice any.
} "that" should be replaced by "answers", right? Or it'll seem like it's
} the "?" that I want to (no "wanna" in wrtting any more!) know about.
} I would be more careful later on.
The "Things like that" was idiomatic and understandable, and that "that"
was fine. The "that" in the unfortunate "I wanna know that" apparently
referred to the "Things", presumably the answers to the questions. But
that "that" needed some plurality to it, unless it referred to only one
question. What you can get away with in "Things like that" you can't get
away with for long later. It's a possible topic for a discussion of
English usage, but it would be a little obscure (not to mention cruel and
uncalled-for) just to Oy! it (and far be it from me to be any of those
things to anyone but Bob Cunningham).
So, if indeed it was the "?" you want to know about, you might want to
explain it a little further. You seemed to have all the question marks
right, and the questions before them seemed to be reasonable, and I see
from other responses that popped up at the same time mine did that most of
the answers are there in several versions for you, beyond my bonus
comments.
--
rjv
Okay, maybe Dr. Aman.
Purl Gurl
> Having been learning English for eight years, I don't know(hardly would
> non-speakers know) how poker is played in English world.
http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/android/poker.cgi
Purl Gurl
Bob Cunningham
> Kane wrote:
I tried it. It dealt me a hand. I drew. It told me "You
lose". It didn't show me the hand that beat me.
That might be the way poker is played in Choctaw, but not in
English world. In English world we show the winning hand.
Nice lungs, though.
Purl Gurl
> Purl Gurl wrote:
> > Kane wrote:
> > > Having been learning English for eight years, I don't know(hardly would
> > > non-speakers know) how poker is played in English world.
> > http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/android/poker.cgi
> I tried it. It dealt me a hand. I drew. It told me "You
> lose". It didn't show me the hand that beat me.
"Five Card Draw = Nothing Wild = Jacks Or Better"
Read for comprehension: Jacks Or Better.
Purl Gurl
Purl Gurl
> > > http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/android/poker.cgi
http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/android/blakjack.cgi
If you want to run my card games on your local machine,
http://www.purlgurl.net/~purlgurl/perl/freebie/cardgame.zip
My presumption is you run a local httpd server and Perl.
Purl Gurl
Skitt
That's all cool, but how do I collect my winnings? I did win, you know.
--
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
http://www.geocities.com/opus731/
Purl Gurl
> That's all cool, but how do I collect my winnings? I did win, you know.
My last log record shows you breaking even.
Sun Feb 26 12:34:40 2006 - POKER - CASH: 500
- IPA: 67.188.91.187 - System: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
However, there may be more records in my server print cache
waiting to be flushed by activity.
Do not think a girl like me will allow you to get to me for money.
=)
Purl Gurl
Stephen Calder
In the following, Q=question A=answer
Q
Having been learning English for eight years I don't know (and
non-speakers in general would hardly know) the correct poker terms in
the English-speaking world [OR in English]. What I have learned so far
is just some simple terms like "spade" "heart", "club", "diamond",
"ace", "jack", "queen", "king" and "joker"; that's it. Do you have a
*diamond jack* or *heart 4* in your poker game? How about a pair of 4s
(for example, spade and heart)? What if a third 4 is added, say a club?
A fourth...? And how about 5 consecutive cards (if not 5, then whatever
number is relevant)? Or if both jokers are in your hand what is the
term? Things like that. These questions may annoy you, but I really
wanna know that. Could anyone help me out? The more replies [or perhaps
you meant "the more information"] the better!
A
I'm not a poker player, but I can answer some of your questions. The
suits are almost always referred to in the plural: spades, clubs,
diamonds, hearts. So we say jack of diamonds, four of hearts, queen of
spades, and so on. As you guessed, a pair of fours is called a pair
(they might be, for example, spades and hearts), three and four of them
are called three fours and four fours. A series of consecutive cards is
known as a flush; poker players will give you names for specific types
of flush. I don't know of a special term for two jokers. The cards dealt
at the start, or the cards held at any time, are known as a "hand". So
we can say I was dealt a good hand or a bad hand; these terms, like some
others in poker, have figurative meanings that non-players understand.
We say a person born wealthy was dealt a good hand in life, for example.
--
Stephen
Lennox Head, Australia
Skitt
;-)
I thought I left the Poker game after being one hand ahead. What happened
was that I lost several hands not realizing that I had to mark *all* cards,
not only the ones I wanted to hold. After noticing that I wasn't getting
any cards on my draw, I quickly turned things around.
In Blackjack, I again lost initially, but then drew even and left.
Skitt
> I'm not a poker player, but I can answer some of your questions. The
> suits are almost always referred to in the plural: spades, clubs,
> diamonds, hearts. So we say jack of diamonds, four of hearts, queen of
> spades, and so on. As you guessed, a pair of fours is called a pair
> (they might be, for example, spades and hearts), three and four of
> them are called three fours and four fours. A series of consecutive
> cards is known as a flush; poker players will give you names for
> specific types of flush.
No. A series of consecutive cards is known as a straight.
A flush is five cards of the same suit. You can have a straight flush, of
course, and if it consists of an ace, king, queen, jack, and ten, it is a
Royal flush -- the highest hand in poker.
Purl Gurl
> Purl Gurl wrote:
> > Skitt wrote:
> >> That's all cool, but how do I collect my winnings? I did win, you
> >> know.
> > My last log record shows you breaking even.
> > Do not think a girl like me will allow you to get to me for money.
> I thought I left the Poker game after being one hand ahead. What happened
> was that I lost several hands not realizing that I had to mark *all* cards,
> not only the ones I wanted to hold. After noticing that I wasn't getting
> any cards on my draw, I quickly turned things around.
> In Blackjack, I again lost initially, but then drew even and left.
Lucky you. My system automatically deducts your losings
from your ATM Debit Card.
Purl Gurl
Mark Brader
> > Do you have a *diamond jack*
> Jack of diamonds
That's the usual form, but I have also seen the style "diamond jack"
in writings about bridge, so I suppose it may be used sometimes in
connection with poker or other games too. Note that this is using
the suit as an adjective. When you refer to the whole suit as a
noun, you always use the plural, and the phrase "jack of diamonds"
uses this form. But if you refer to an arbitrary single card in
the suit, you say "a diamond" in the singular. (Likewise for the
other suits.)
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Mark is probably right about something,
m...@vex.net | but I forget what" -- Rayan Zachariassen
My text in this article is in the public domain.
Mark Brader
> A flush is five cards of the same suit. You can have a straight flush, of
> course, and if it consists of an ace, king, queen, jack, and ten, it is a
> Royal flush -- the highest hand in poker.
Unless you're playing with wild cards, that is -- then five of a kind is
possible and the highest hand is five aces.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "I seem to have become a signature quote."
m...@vex.net -- David Keldsen
Skitt
That's OK. I very seldom come out a loser in Blackjack. I always somehow
attract the attention of the pit boss. Weird.
Martin Ambuhl
> I tried it. It dealt me a hand. I drew. It told me "You
> lose". It didn't show me the hand that beat me.
>
> That might be the way poker is played in Choctaw, but not in
> English world. In English world we show the winning hand.
Only if you call.
Stephen Calder
Ah yes, I knew that. Thanks for setting me flush.
Bob Cunningham
Reed* for comprehension:
In pokerspeak, "jacks or better" means in order to open the
betting you need to be holding a pair of jacks or better.
When I lose, the one who opened could have dropped out of
the betting long ago, while the one who won the hand after
everyone declined to call his raise could be holding nothing
but a seven-high hand.
I'm not paying up till I see the winning hand.
If your game isn't poker, think of another name for it.
* About the spelling "reed": It's a convention I use, in
alt.usage.english only. If you don't understand the
convention, ask Phony Pooper. He worries about it so much,
as shown by his repeated mention of it, that he must
understand it thoroughly by now.
Bob Cunningham
> Bob Cunningham wrote:
Did anyone say I didn't?
Bob Cunningham
<exw...@earthlink.net> said:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:08:25 GMT, "Purl Gurl"
> <purl...@purlgurl.net> said:
> > Bob Cunningham wrote:
> > > Purl Gurl wrote:
> > > > Kane wrote:
> > > > > Having been learning English for eight years, I don't know(hardly would
> > > > > non-speakers know) how poker is played in English world.
> > > > http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/android/poker.cgi
> > > I tried it. It dealt me a hand. I drew. It told me "You
> > > lose". It didn't show me the hand that beat me.
> > "Five Card Draw = Nothing Wild = Jacks Or Better"
> > Read for comprehension: Jacks Or Better.
> Reed* for comprehension:
> In pokerspeak, "jacks or better" means in order to open the
> betting you need to be holding a pair of jacks or better.
> When I lose, the one who opened could have dropped out of
> the betting long ago, while the one who won the hand after
> everyone declined to call his raise could be holding nothing
> but a seven-high hand.
> I'm not paying up till I see the winning hand.
Okay, someone has reminded me that I don't get to see the
winning hand, so I miswrote. I could have said
one who opened could have dropped out of
the betting long ago, while the one who won the
hand after everyone but me declined to call his
raise could be holding nothing but a seven-high
hand
But that doesn't invalidate my point, which is that "jacks
or better" applies only to the guy who opened, and he could
have dropped out of the betting long ago. Someone could win
the hand with no more than a pair of deuces.
She seems to have a "poker" game where the player wins if he
or she has better than jacks, no matter what anyone else
has. If so, she should think of another name for the game.
It isn't poker.
Purl Gurl
> Purl Gurl wrote:
> > Bob Cunningham wrote:
> > > Purl Gurl wrote:
> > > > Kane wrote:
> > > > http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/android/poker.cgi
> > > I tried it. It dealt me a hand. I drew. It told me "You
> > > lose". It didn't show me the hand that beat me.
> > "Five Card Draw = Nothing Wild = Jacks Or Better"
> > Read for comprehension: Jacks Or Better.
> Reed* for comprehension:
> In pokerspeak, "jacks or better" means in order to open the
> betting you need to be holding a pair of jacks or better.
> When I lose, the one who opened could have dropped out of
> the betting long ago, while the one who won the hand after
> everyone declined to call his raise could be holding nothing
> but a seven-high hand.
> I'm not paying up till I see the winning hand.
> If your game isn't poker, think of another name for it.
http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/webchat/wav/bitch.wav
Purl Gurl
Tony Cooper
>* About the spelling "reed": It's a convention I use, in
>alt.usage.english only. If you don't understand the
>convention, ask Phony Pooper. He worries about it so much,
>as shown by his repeated mention of it, that he must
>understand it thoroughly by now.
Oh, I do, Bob. It's a crutch for the context-impaired.
Purl Gurl
> Skitt writes:
> > A flush is five cards of the same suit. You can have a straight flush, of
> > course, and if it consists of an ace, king, queen, jack, and ten, it is a
> > Royal flush -- the highest hand in poker.
> Unless you're playing with wild cards, that is -- then five of a kind is
> possible and the highest hand is five aces.
No, my hand is always the winning hand.
http://www.purlgurl.net/allstock/derring.jpg
Purl Gurl
Bob Cunningham
Okay, good. Cooper understands the ambiguity of "read".
Well ... maybe he does. He lies a lot.
Anyway, maybe someday he'll learn about false scent.
When I read the current issue of _The Week_,
hoping to find some words about the sectarian
troubles in Iraq ...
Future or past? Context may tell, but context can take a
while to get here.
Bob Cunningham
<purl...@purlgurl.net> said:
> Bob Cunningham wrote:
[...]
> > If your game isn't poker, think of another name for it.
> http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/webchat/wav/bitch.wav
PG once again demonstrates her lack of fluency in English.
The URL has a recording implying that I was bitching. To
bitch is to gripe. I wasn't griping; I was panning.
Robert Bannister
> Don Phillipson wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
>
>>In most games the Ace is the top-valued card, but
>>not in all games (e.g. pontoon or blackjack, chemin de fer).
>>But the nomenclature of the cards is the same.
>
>
> In gin rummy (at least as I learned it) the ace is always the lowest
> card of its suit.
>
> In pinochle the nine of trumps is the "dix," pronounced "deece."
>
> I'm sure we all know Pique Dame.
>
Now, I know from French what it means, and I know of the short story by
Pushkin with a similar name, but I don't know what you are referring to.
Might it be the game we call "Hearts" or "Black Lady"?
--
Rob Bannister
Robert Bannister
> Tony Cooper <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:15:30 -0800, que.sara....@gmail.com
>>(Sara Lorimer) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I've never played poker with jokers (cue lousy puns)
>>
>>I noticed that you said all this (including what I snipped) without
>>any expression on your face that would indicate what you are holding.
>
>
> There'll be time enough for word play when the dealing's done.
>
Wait till the studs get into it.
--
Rob Bannister
Purl Gurl
> Purl Gurl wrote:
> > Bob Cunningham wrote:
> [...]
> > > If your game isn't poker, think of another name for it.
> > http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/webchat/wav/bitch.wav
> PG once again demonstrates her lack of fluency in English.
> The URL has a recording implying that I was bitching. To
> bitch is to gripe. I wasn't griping; I was panning.
http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/webchat/wav/cuteone.wav
Purl Gurl
Martin Ambuhl
>>Bob Cunningham wrote:
>>Only if you call.
Did anyone say you did? No.
Al in Dallas
It seems to be a simplified version of something known as "video
poker."
--
Al in St. Lou
Purl Gurl
> Bob Cunningham wrote:
> >If your game isn't poker, think of another name for it.
> It seems to be a simplified version of something known as "video poker."
Ah ha! Wallah! Bingo!
Someone finally plugged-in this light bulb over his head!
Mine is a simple poker game which almost all can play
or can easily learn to play. I am providing a courtesy
to all, for free, simply to entertain, simply to bring a
bit of fun into the lives of as many as possible.
Mine is also a learning tool for playing poker, effectively.
Our home based internet service provider is all about
fun and learning, for free. We provide a community
service for all in good spirit and with personal effort.
So, what is with all this bitching?
Cunningham claims to be a Perl programmer. He
can write his own F'n software! (or plagiarize mine)
"Never look a gift horse in the wrong end."
- Kira
Purl Gurl
Bob Cunningham
<purl...@purlgurl.net> said:
[...]
> So, what is with all this bitching?
Purple Gurple (sp?) still doesn't know what "bitching"
means.
Bob Cunningham
Too simplified.
Purl Gurl
> Purl Gurl wrote:
> [...]
> > So, what is with all this bitching?
> Purple Gurple (sp?) still doesn't know what "bitching" means.
You are telling a woman she does not know what bitching means!
http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/webchat/wav/badboy.wav
Purl Gurl
Ray Heindl
> That's OK. I very seldom come out a loser in Blackjack. I always
> somehow attract the attention of the pit boss. Weird.
Probably anyone who isn't losing will attract attention.
--
Ray Heindl
(remove the Xs to reply)
Linz
> Kane <boy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Having been learning English for eight years, I don't know(hardly
>> I know till now is just these simple terms like "spade", "heart",
>> "club", "diamond", "ace", "jack", "queen", "king" and "joker";
>> that's it!
>> Do you have a *diamond jack*
>
>
>> or *heart 4* in your poker game?
>
> Four of hearts
>
>> How about
>> a pair of *4*(spade and heart)?
>
> A pair
>
>> What is a third 4 is added, say club?
>
> Three of a kind
Or 'trips'
Peter Moylan
> Robert Lieblich wrote:
>> I'm sure we all know Pique Dame.
> Now, I know from French what it means, and I know of the short story
> by Pushkin with a similar name, but I don't know what you are
> referring to. Might it be the game we call "Hearts" or "Black Lady"?
It sounds like the game I know of as "Chasse-coeur", which is very
likely the same game you're talking about. Apparently it has multiple
names.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain
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My e-mail addresses at newcastle.edu.au will probably remain "live"
for a while, but then they will disappear without warning.
The optusnet address still has about 5 months of life left.