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navi  
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 More options Jul 24 2011, 4:03 am
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From: navi <lorca1...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 01:03:53 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jul 24 2011 4:03 am
Subject: of
Are these sentences correct:

1-I have eaten of that cake.
2-Have you taken of that money?
3-Have you read of his stories?
4-He did not drink of that wine.


 
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Harrison Hill  
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 More options Jul 24 2011, 4:13 am
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From: Harrison Hill <harrish...@gmx.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 01:13:34 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jul 24 2011 4:13 am
Subject: Re: of
On Jul 24, 9:03 am, navi <lorca1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Are these sentences correct:

> 1-I have eaten of that cake.

Yes, but this is an old-fashioned way of talking, and reminds us of
The Bible. I think you would "partake of your Last Supper".

> 2-Have you taken of that money?

Nope.

> 3-Have you read of his stories?

This means "Have you read about his stories? They say he writes
terribly well!"

> 4-He did not drink of that wine.

In the Bible, possibly.

 
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Don Phillipson  
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 More options Jul 24 2011, 7:24 am
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From: "Don Phillipson" <e...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca>
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 07:24:13 -0400
Local: Sun, Jul 24 2011 7:24 am
Subject: Re: of
"navi" <lorca1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:e907c3cd-b02a-4653-9379-6264676fbfcc@v11g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

> Are these sentences correct:

> 1-I have eaten of that cake.
> 2-Have you taken of that money?
> 3-Have you read of his stories?
> 4-He did not drink of that wine.

These sentences are all grammatically correct, but
archaic and obsolete for most purposes.   In Shakespeare's
day "OF" was attached to many verbs, prefixing a direct
object, with no special meaning.   In Dr Johnson's day a
distinction emerged between
1.  eaten that cake = eaten all that cake,
2.  eaten of that cake = eaten some of that cake
but this distinction is in the process of vanishing from
current use.   Most contemporary writers write the verb
and its direct object without using OF.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)


 
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Prai Jei  
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 More options Jul 24 2011, 3:54 pm
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From: Prai Jei <pvstownsend.zyx....@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:54:32 +0100
Local: Sun, Jul 24 2011 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: of
navi set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum:

> Are these sentences correct:

> 1-I have eaten of that cake.
> 2-Have you taken of that money?
> 3-Have you read of his stories?
> 4-He did not drink of that wine.

The archaic use of "of" here is cited in "Teach Yourself Finnish" as an
English parallel to the use of the partitive case to express an
*incomplete* action on an object, either where the action is still going
on, or where only part of the object is affected.

In sentence (1) for example, the appearance of "of" implies that not all the
cake has been eaten.

If the distinction is essential in modern English, "some" or "any" according
to context, would be inserted before "of".
--
ξ:) Proud to be curly

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