Mandy and Skitt's Law
Mike Page
http://www.bis.gov.uk/mandelson-outlines-future-of-higher-education
Key measures set out in the framework include:
* More competition between universities, giving greater priority to
programmes that meet the need for high level skills;
* Business to be more engaged in the funding and design of
programmes, sponsorship of students, and work placements;
* Creating more part-time, work-based and foundation degrees to
make it easier for adults to go to university�s, with routes from
apprenticeships through to Foundation Degrees and other vocational
programmes ...
--
Mike Page
Google me at port.ac.uk if you need to send an email.
James Hogg
I think they want to make it easier for greengrocers to attend university.
--
James
Garrett Wollman
<mike...@ntlworld.com> wrote (paraphrasing a report approved by
Peter Mandelson, I assume):
> * More competition between universities, giving greater priority to
>programmes that meet the need for high level skills;
> * Business to be more engaged in the funding and design of
>programmes, sponsorship of students, and work placements;
Sounds like Lord Mandelson doesn't quite understand what a university
is for. (Not the first, nor the last, etc.)
-GAWollman
--
Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
wol...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
Roland Hutchinson
> In article <1WZHm.80831$kl7....@newsfe05.ams2>, Mike Page
> <mike...@ntlworld.com> wrote (paraphrasing a report approved by Peter
> Mandelson, I assume):
>
>> * More competition between universities, giving greater priority to
>>programmes that meet the need for high level skills;
>> * Business to be more engaged in the funding and design of
>>programmes, sponsorship of students, and work placements;
>
> Sounds like Lord Mandelson doesn't quite understand what a university is
> for. (Not the first, nor the last, etc.)
We are _all_ in the trade-school business now.
There is no place to escape this -- not the Ivies, not Oxbridge, and God
woot not in university music departments!
--
Roland Hutchinson
He calls himself "the Garden State's leading violist da gamba,"
... comparable to being ruler of an exceptionally small duchy.
--Newark (NJ) Star Ledger ( http://tinyurl.com/RolandIsNJ )
LFS
"We will give priority to growing a diverse range of models of higher
education."
<sigh>
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
William
> Mike Page wrote:
> "We will give priority to growing a diverse range of models of higher
> education."
>
> <sigh>
"House"!
http://lurkertech.com/buzzword-bingo/
--
WH
William
> From the Department for Business Innovation and Skills website
>
> http://www.bis.gov.uk/mandelson-outlines-future-of-higher-education
That's *Lord* Mandy to you, sonny.
--
WH
Percival P. Cassidy
>>> From the Department for Business Innovation and Skills website
>>> http://www.bis.gov.uk/mandelson-outlines-future-of-higher-education
>> That's *Lord* Mandy to you, sonny.
> Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?
I think you got your "Mandy"s mixed up. Even the gender is wrong.
Perce
Mike Page
"The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills also announced that
Sir Martin Harris[1], the Director for Fair Access, will consult with
Vice Chancellors and provide the Government with a report on what
further action could be taken to widen access to highly selective
universities for those from under privileged backgrounds."
I wish I came from under a privileged background.
[1] Don't mention the whore.
http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/mail-on-sunday-london-england-the/mi_8003/is_2004_Oct_17/offtoff-faced-claim-kerb-crawling/ai_n37347341/
William
That's not the way I heard it.
--
WH
James Hogg
I like the bit about widening "access to highly selective universities
for those from under privileged backgrounds."
--
James
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
wrote:
>LFS wrote:
>> Mike Page wrote:
>>> From the Department for Business Innovation and Skills website
>>>
>>> http://www.bis.gov.uk/mandelson-outlines-future-of-higher-education
>>>
>>> Key measures set out in the framework include:
>>>
>>> * More competition between universities, giving greater priority
>>> to programmes that meet the need for high level skills;
>>> * Business to be more engaged in the funding and design of
>>> programmes, sponsorship of students, and work placements;
>>> * Creating more part-time, work-based and foundation degrees to
>>> make it easier for adults to go to university�s, with routes from
>>> apprenticeships through to Foundation Degrees and other vocational
>>> programmes ...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "We will give priority to growing a diverse range of models of higher
>> education."
>>
>> <sigh>
>>
>It gets worse.
>
>"The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills also announced that
>Sir Martin Harris[1], the Director for Fair Access, will consult with
>Vice Chancellors and provide the Government with a report on what
>further action could be taken to widen access to highly selective
>universities for those from under privileged backgrounds."
>
>I wish I came from under a privileged background.
>
>[1] Don't mention the whore.
>http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/mail-on-sunday-london-england-the/mi_8003/is_2004_Oct_17/offtoff-faced-claim-kerb-crawling/ai_n37347341/
At the time, he said he lost his bearings after leaving his new
home in Didsbury having just been appointed vice-chancellor of
Manchester University.
He ended up in Whalley Range, an area which is notorious for
prostitution.
I used to live in Didsbury, and frequently travelled between there and
Manchester University. I never got lost, even after a jolly evening in a
pub. There is a main road that runs north through Didsbury to the
University (and south for the return journey).
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)
Nick
> From the Department for Business Innovation and Skills website
It's my Government, so I should really know, but is that:
The Department for Innovation and Skills in Business
The Department for Skills (everywhere) and Innovation in Business
The Department for Business, for Innovation and for Skills.
And does "Business Innovation" - if such a thing is actually involved -
the bringing of new ideas into businesses (ie, let's all use hamster
wheels instead of electric motors) or the bringing of new ideas into
business (ie, let's all use hamsters instead of HR directors).
Or is it a pile of words that sounds better than a good old fashioned
"ministry for x" but means sod all?
--
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Nick
> Mike Page <mike...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>
>> From the Department for Business Innovation and Skills website
>
> It's my Government, so I should really know, but is that:
> The Department for Innovation and Skills in Business
> The Department for Skills (everywhere) and Innovation in Business
> The Department for Business, for Innovation and for Skills.
>
> And does "Business Innovation" - if such a thing is actually involved -
> the bringing of new ideas into businesses (ie, let's all use hamster
> wheels instead of electric motors) or the bringing of new ideas into
> business (ie, let's all use hamsters instead of HR directors).
Sloppy editing. The best way to fix it is to add a "mean" after the
second dash.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<3-no...@temporary-address.org.uk> wrote:
>Mike Page <mike...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>
>> From the Department for Business Innovation and Skills website
>
>It's my Government, so I should really know, but is that:
>The Department for Innovation and Skills in Business
>The Department for Skills (everywhere) and Innovation in Business
>The Department for Business, for Innovation and for Skills.
>
>And does "Business Innovation" - if such a thing is actually involved -
>the bringing of new ideas into businesses (ie, let's all use hamster
>wheels instead of electric motors) or the bringing of new ideas into
>business (ie, let's all use hamsters instead of HR directors).
>
>Or is it a pile of words that sounds better than a good old fashioned
>"ministry for x" but means sod all?
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Dl1/Directories/DG_069034
The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS) is the new
government department formed by merging the Department for Business,
Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (BERR) and the Department for
Innovation, Universities and Skills (DIUS). BIS has responsibility
for enterprise, business relations, regional development and fair
markets, along with responsibility for science and innovation,
further and higher education and skills.
James Hogg
> Mike Page <mike...@ntlworld.com> writes:
>
>> From the Department for Business Innovation and Skills website
>
> It's my Government, so I should really know, but is that: The
> Department for Innovation and Skills in Business The Department for
> Skills (everywhere) and Innovation in Business The Department for
> Business, for Innovation and for Skills.
>
> And does "Business Innovation" - if such a thing is actually involved
> - the bringing of new ideas into businesses (ie, let's all use
> hamster wheels instead of electric motors) or the bringing of new
> ideas into business (ie, let's all use hamsters instead of HR
> directors).
>
> Or is it a pile of words that sounds better than a good old fashioned
> "ministry for x" but means sod all?
If you want more bollocks you can download some of the Department's
reports. Here's what Mandy says in his foreword to the higher education
blueprint, Higher Ambitions:
"Although universities have a much civic, cultural and intellectual
role, they are central to this process."
and
"Finally, it is necessary to look afresh at the contribution who benefit
from higher education"
--
James
tsuidf
> "We will give priority to growing a diverse range of models of higher
> education."
>
> <sigh>
I wonder where they'll plant them and what they'll use for fertiliser.
Oh, wait....
tsuidf
wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:42:17 +0000, Mike Page <mikeor...@ntlworld.com>
>
> At the time, he said he lost his bearings after leaving his new
> home in Didsbury having just been appointed vice-chancellor of
> Manchester University.
>
> He ended up in Whalley Range, an area which is notorious for
> prostitution.
>
> I used to live in Didsbury, and frequently travelled between there and
> Manchester University. I never got lost, even after a jolly evening in a
> pub. There is a main road that runs north through Didsbury to the
> University (and south for the return journey).
As did I (all right, not really, I lived on the Didsbury side of the
very last street in Withington, but I shopped in Didsbury, getting
there by foot, ok??). It would be very VERY hard to lose your way
from Didsbury to the Uni -- you could just follow the steady stream of
large red double-deckers,for one thing, or for another approach you
could just -- erm -- go straight ahead for about 20 minutes....
How you get lost there and end up in Whalley Range, I find very
difficult to imagine.
But when I lived there, I had no idea Whalley Range was notorious for
prostitution. I feel so innocent!
cheers,
Stephanie
Peter Moylan
> In article <1WZHm.80831$kl7....@newsfe05.ams2>, Mike Page
> <mike...@ntlworld.com> wrote (paraphrasing a report approved by
> Peter Mandelson, I assume):
>
>> * More competition between universities, giving greater priority to
>> programmes that meet the need for high level skills;
>> * Business to be more engaged in the funding and design of
>> programmes, sponsorship of students, and work placements;
>
> Sounds like Lord Mandelson doesn't quite understand what a university
> is for. (Not the first, nor the last, etc.)
Australia used to have a federal Department of Education and Training. I
think the official line these days is that "education" and "training"
are synonyms.
It's interesting to see how the name of the relevant government
department keeps training. At present, at the federal level, it's the
Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations, but it's
gone through many name changes over the years. Most of the states still
favour "Education and Training"; but in Victoria it's currently
"Department of Education and Early Childhood Development", and in South
Australia the name is "Education and Children's Services". To be fair, I
should say that that's because State education departments are mostly
responsible for primary and secondary education; they've been largely
edged out of the tertiary sector. States still control most (but not
all) public-sector technical colleges, but there have been moves to
privatise those as a means of reducing salary costs.
--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia. http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.
Peter Moylan
> I used to live in Didsbury, and frequently travelled between there and
> Manchester University. I never got lost, even after a jolly evening in a
> pub. There is a main road that runs north through Didsbury to the
> University (and south for the return journey).
Isn't it marvellous how the road changes direction depending on where
you want to go?
Cyclists don't have that privilege. They ride into the wind on both the
forward and return trips.
LFS
> On Nov 3, 9:18 pm, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:42:17 +0000, Mike Page <mikeor...@ntlworld.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> LFS wrote:
>>>> Mike Page wrote:
>>>>> From the Department for Business Innovation and Skills website
>>>>> http://www.bis.gov.uk/mandelson-outlines-future-of-higher-education
>>>>> Key measures set out in the framework include:
>>>>> * More competition between universities, giving greater priority
>>>>> to programmes that meet the need for high level skills;
>>>>> * Business to be more engaged in the funding and design of
>>>>> programmes, sponsorship of students, and work placements;
>>>>> * Creating more part-time, work-based and foundation degrees to
I don't think it was when I was in Manchester. I lived at various times
in Fallowfield and Withington and visited pals in both Didsbury and
Whalley Range. Indeed, now I think about it, my economics tutor lived in
Whalley Range and held soirees in his flat.
Peter Duncanson (BrE)
<pe...@pmoylan.org.not.china> wrote:
>Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
>
>> I used to live in Didsbury, and frequently travelled between there and
>> Manchester University. I never got lost, even after a jolly evening in a
>> pub. There is a main road that runs north through Didsbury to the
>> University (and south for the return journey).
>
>Isn't it marvellous how the road changes direction depending on where
>you want to go?
>
>Cyclists don't have that privilege. They ride into the wind on both the
>forward and return trips.
That is the general rule. Just once the universe was kind to me when I
was cycling. I was setting out on my cycle to go home after work one
day. The weather was atrocious, heavy rain and strong wind. I had
waterproof clothing so the rain was not a problem. The journey, six
miles, was uphill all the way. I got sympathetic looks from co-workers
as I pushed my bike from the building to the road. What they didn't know
was that I was about to have my easiest cycle journey home, ever. The
strong wind was behind me.
Garrett Wollman
Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.not.china> wrote:
>Australia used to have a federal Department of Education and Training. I
>think the official line these days is that "education" and "training"
>are synonyms.
In the U.S. at the Federal level it's been the Department of Education
ever since the former Department of Health, Education, and Welfare was
split up. The authorizing[1] committee in the Senate, however, is the
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (which I'm certain
was contrived so that its acronym would be "HELP"). (The
Appropriations subcommittee is the more prosaic "Labor, Health and
Human Services, Education, and Related Agencies".)
On the state level, here in Massachusetts we have the Executive Office
of Education and the Executive Office of Labor and Workforce
Development; the former has three departments, and the latter has two
departments and two divisions. (I'm not sure what the distinction
is.) Other states will do things differently, but I believe most
states have a Board of Education which is responsible for supervising
the public schools.
-GAWollman
[1] All Federal government departments are under the jurisdiction of
two separate committees in each house of Congress. The authorizing
committee has as its primary duty the oversight of programs and
policies, which are reflected in periodic reauthorization bills for
discretionary Federal programs (usually every five years) and
committee hearings and reports on all programs (both discretionary and
mandatory). The appropriations committee is responsible for
determining the amount of money to be spent each year by each
department and agency -- and most of this work is delegated to
subcommittees. Each of the appropriations subcommittees is
responsible for bringing one bill to the floor every year, which
appropriates funds for all of the government functions within its
jurisdiction.[2] (In addition to the Executive Branch departments and
independent agencies, there are also similar organs in the Legislative
and Judicial branches. Although those branches are generally free to
organize their affairs as they see fit, if they need to spend money it
must be appropriated by Congress and agreed to by the President.)
[2] Technically, all appropriations bills must originate in the House.
However, the Constitution does not require that the bill was an
appropriations bill when it left the House! The rules of the Senate
do not require amendments to be germane to the purpose of the bill, so
if the Senate wants to pass an appropriations bill before the House
has finished work on it, it can simply find some piece of legislation
that is waiting for its approval -- say, a bill naming a Federal
building after someone -- and "amend" it by appending the
appropriation to it. If the House then agrees to the Senate
amendment, the House appropriation may never be considered in its
constitutionally proper setting.
Mike Page
> Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote:
>
>> I used to live in Didsbury, and frequently travelled between there and
>> Manchester University. I never got lost, even after a jolly evening in a
>> pub. There is a main road that runs north through Didsbury to the
>> University (and south for the return journey).
>
> Isn't it marvellous how the road changes direction depending on where
> you want to go?
>
> Cyclists don't have that privilege. They ride into the wind on both the
> forward and return trips.
>
around a closed loop is greater than zero.
Roland Hutchinson
That's only because a frictionless cyclist would fall off of a
frictionless bicycle.
Joe Fineman
> tsuidf wrote:
>> But when I lived there, I had no idea Whalley Range was notorious
>> for prostitution. I feel so innocent!
>
> I don't think it was when I was in Manchester. I lived at various
> times in Fallowfield and Withington and visited pals in both
> Didsbury and Whalley Range. Indeed, now I think about it, my
> economics tutor lived in Whalley Range and held soirees in his flat.
It had notoriety of another kind during W.W. II: It was the home of
the luckless hero of Ewan MacColl's nasty "Second Front Song":
At last the train reached Manchester; the station was Exchange.
It was too late to get a tram or bus to Whalley Range.
I tried to hail a taxi, but I didn't stand a chance --
They'd all been commandeered to take the Yanks home from a dance.
--
--- Joe Fineman jo...@verizon.net
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