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David Farber

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Aug 5, 2005, 8:14:37 PM8/5/05
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I had a discussion with a longtime friend regarding a comment that he made
about my online photo gallery. I had posted some portrait party photos and
also some landscape shots of the Southern California beach where the party
was located. He left the following comment about the photos, "Prizewinning
people pictures, perfectly seized moments, and excellent scenery pictures
too!" I told him that it seemed to me that it would have sounded less
awkward if he would have said, "...and excellent *scenic* pictures too!"

He countered with, "If you had taken pictures of airplanes, you would have
taken excellent airplane pictures." My thinking is since there is a specific
adjective for scenery, (scenic) it should be used as I explained.

Comments?

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David Farber

John Dean

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Aug 5, 2005, 8:27:13 PM8/5/05
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I'd go with your friend. Using a noun to qualify pictures in this way is
common - aeroplane pictures, locomotive pictures, wildlife pictures and
so scenery pictures. The pictures may well be scenic too, but a scenery
picture isn't necessarily a scenic picture. And a scenic picture doesn't
necessarily feature scenery.
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John Dean
Oxford

Adrian Bailey

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Aug 5, 2005, 8:33:10 PM8/5/05
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"John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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> David Farber wrote:
> > I had a discussion with a longtime friend regarding a comment that he
> > made about my online photo gallery. I had posted some portrait party
> > photos and also some landscape shots of the Southern California beach
> > where the party was located. He left the following comment about the
> > photos, "Prizewinning people pictures, perfectly seized moments, and
> > excellent scenery pictures too!" I told him that it seemed to me that
> > it would have sounded less awkward if he would have said, "...and
> > excellent *scenic* pictures too!"
> >
> > He countered with, "If you had taken pictures of airplanes, you would
> > have taken excellent airplane pictures." My thinking is since there
> > is a specific adjective for scenery, (scenic) it should be used as I
> > explained.
> >
>
> I'd go with your friend.

Seconded.

Adrian


ray o'hara

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Aug 6, 2005, 3:17:23 AM8/6/05
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"John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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Well put.


Mike Lyle

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Aug 6, 2005, 7:48:01 AM8/6/05
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ray o'hara wrote:
> "John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
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>> David Farber wrote:
[...]

>>> comment about the photos, "Prizewinning people pictures,
perfectly
>>> seized moments, and excellent scenery pictures too!" I told him
>>> that it seemed to me that it would have sounded less awkward if
he
>>> would have said, "...and excellent *scenic* pictures too!"
>>>
>>> He countered with, "If you had taken pictures of airplanes, you
>>> would have taken excellent airplane pictures." My thinking is
since
>>> there is a specific adjective for scenery, (scenic) it should be
>>> used as I explained.
>>>
>>
>> I'd go with your friend. Using a noun to qualify pictures in this
>> way is common - aeroplane pictures, locomotive pictures, wildlife
>> pictures and so scenery pictures. The pictures may well be scenic
>> too, but a scenery picture isn't necessarily a scenic picture. And
a
>> scenic picture doesn't necessarily feature scenery.
>> --
>> John Dean
>> Oxford
>>
>
>
> Well put.

"Landscape", "seascape", and "skyscape" are handy. "Cityscape" isn't
bad, either. But I haven't a clear idea of what a "scenic picture"
is. Perhaps as distinct from things like portraits, photomicrographs,
and so on?

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Mike.


Steve Hayes

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Aug 6, 2005, 12:19:46 PM8/6/05
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:14:37 -0700, "David Farber" <farberbe...@aol.com>
wrote:

You used the word: landscape.

Portrait shots = pictures of people.

Landscape shots == pictures of places.

Scenery is foudn in theatres, is it not?


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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
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Robert Lieblich

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Aug 6, 2005, 1:27:02 PM8/6/05
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Steve Hayes wrote:

[ ... ]

> Scenery is foudn in theatres, is it not?

And in nature:

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=scenery

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/scenery?view=uk

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=70247&dict=CALD

http://www.bartleby.com/61/0/S0130000.html

If whosever used the phrase "scenery pictures" had instead said
"pictures of scenery," this thread would never have begun/

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And we'd all be the poorer for it, right?

David Farber

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Aug 6, 2005, 1:49:05 PM8/6/05
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"Steve Hayes" <haye...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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According to the online Merriam-Webster dictionary:

Scenery: (noun) 1 : the painted scenes or hangings and accessories used on a
theater stage; 2 : a picturesque view or landscape

These two definitions certainly don't help clear anything up.

On the other hand,

Scenic:
(adjective) 1 : of or relating to the stage, a stage setting, or stage
representation; 2 : of or relating to natural scenery <a scenic view>; 3 :
representing graphically an action, event, or episode <a scenic bas-relief>

the context in which definition 2 is used, "a scenic view" is exactly what
I had in mind only I substituted picture (as in photograph) for view.
Perhaps in this sense, going from view -> picture -> photograph is too big a
leap to make?

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Thanks for your reply,

David Farber


David Farber

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Aug 6, 2005, 1:50:59 PM8/6/05
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"Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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I think I was using the word scenic with the phrase, scenic route, or scenic
journey in mind. If you were to take a picture on a journey through a scenic
area, wouldn't you then have taken a scenic picture?

Jess Askin

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Aug 7, 2005, 1:59:08 AM8/7/05
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"David Farber" <farberbe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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In our mountain greenery, where God paints the scenery, wrote Lorenz Hart in
1925. So perhaps at that time "scenery" meant primarily a painted backdrop.


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