Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that he was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local news reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent weakening of al Qaida.
This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination from the fashion world, I think. And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling was used later in the same paragraph.)
On 2011-05-02 18:00:44 +0200, "Pat Durkin" <durki...@msn.com> said:
> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that > he was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local news > reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was > "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent weakening > of al Qaida.
> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination > from the fashion world, I think. > And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation > because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her > Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling > was used later in the same paragraph.)
I guess it's just the flip side of one of my pet peeves: the almost universal pronunciation of "espresso" (as in coffee) as "expresso".
> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that he > was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local news reporter > stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was "esstatic" about the > removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent weakening of al Qaida.
> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination from > the fashion world, I think.
No, the common characteristic here is broadcast journalism i.e. (1) speech rather than writing (2) extemporised speech. In people with modern schooling (different from that demanded of broadcast journalists say 40 years ago) mispronunciation and mumbled speech are likey to be common. But we may not justly blame the domains they speak about (whether fashion or terrorism.)
-- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada)
> On 2011-05-02 18:00:44 +0200, "Pat Durkin" <durki...@msn.com> said: >> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve". >> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that >> he was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local news >> reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was >> "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent weakening >> of al Qaida.
>> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination >> from the fashion world, I think. >> And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation >> because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her >> Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling >> was used later in the same paragraph.)
> I guess it's just the flip side of one of my pet peeves: the almost > universal pronunciation of "espresso" (as in coffee) as "expresso".
Athel Cornish-Bowden set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum:
>> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination >> from the fashion world, I think. >> And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation >> because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her >> Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling >> was used later in the same paragraph.)
> I guess it's just the flip side of one of my pet peeves: the almost > universal pronunciation of "espresso" (as in coffee) as "expresso".
It's an Italianism that's creeping into English. Soon it will be official, in spelling as well as in speech.
"Expresso" has an analogy with classical music commentators who "restore" an apparently missing c in the title of Vaughan Williams' Symphony No. 7, "Sinfonia Antartica". The title is Italian not Latin, and having just one c in the second word is correct. -- ξ:) Proud to be curly
>"Expresso" has an analogy with classical music commentators who "restore" an >apparently missing c in the title of Vaughan Williams' Symphony No. >7, "Sinfonia Antartica". The title is Italian not Latin, and having just >one c in the second word is correct.
"Othello" was by Shakespeare; "Otello" was by Verdi....
And in Latin America, Disney's "Pinocchio" was called "Pinocho"....r
>> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
>> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing >> that he was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local >> news reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was >> "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent >> weakening of al Qaida.
>> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" >> abomination from the fashion world, I think. And perhaps I was >> more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation because a cousin >> read to me only Saturday an instruction on her Kindle that spelled >> "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling was used later in >> the same paragraph.)
> I guess it's just the flip side of one of my pet peeves: the almost > universal pronunciation of "espresso" (as in coffee) as "expresso".
And, in another direction, there are people who say "asterik" -- but I have seen it explained that they have not actually lost the s; they have merely moved it over to "stastistics". -- --- Joe Fineman jo...@verizon.net
||: It is tasteless to recommend one's own taste, but scarcely :|| ||: honest to recommend any other. :||
On May 2, 10:00 am, "Pat Durkin" <durki...@msn.com> wrote:
> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that > he was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local news > reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was > "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent weakening > of al Qaida.
I believe I've heard that too.
> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination > from the fashion world, I think. > And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation > because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her > Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling > was used later in the same paragraph.)
And in British English, the /k/ has disappeard from "succinct". Some Americans say it without the /k/ too.
<pvstownsend.zyx....@ntlworld.com> wrote: >Athel Cornish-Bowden set the following eddies spiralling through the >space-time continuum:
>>> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination >>> from the fashion world, I think. >>> And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation >>> because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her >>> Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling >>> was used later in the same paragraph.)
>> I guess it's just the flip side of one of my pet peeves: the almost >> universal pronunciation of "espresso" (as in coffee) as "expresso".
>It's an Italianism that's creeping into English. Soon it will be official, >in spelling as well as in speech.
> On May 2, 10:00 am, "Pat Durkin" <durki...@msn.com> wrote: >> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
>> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that >> he was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local news >> reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was >> "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent weakening >> of al Qaida.
> I believe I've heard that too.
>> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination >> from the fashion world, I think. >> And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation >> because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her >> Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling >> was used later in the same paragraph.)
> And in British English, the /k/ has disappeard from "succinct".
[snip]
Where have you heard that? I have never heard anything but suck-sinkt. Mind you, I have been telling people for years that flaccid is flak-sid.
On Mon, 2 May 2011 11:00:44 -0500, Pat Durkin wrote:
> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that > he was "esstatic" about something.
For the past few *decades* I have heard about that cold region called the "Artic" and the other one called the "Antartic". It drives me up the wall.
> Then, today, a CNN local news > reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was > "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent weakening > of al Qaida.
> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination > from the fashion world, I think. > And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation > because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her > Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling > was used later in the same paragraph.)
People aren't going to become less sloppy, but know at least that you're not the only one it bothers.
-- "The difference between the /almost right/ word and the /right/ word is ... the difference between the lightning-bug and the lightning." --Mark Twain Stan Brown, Tompkins County, NY, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com
On Mon, 02 May 2011 19:38:11 +0100, Prai Jei wrote: > Athel Cornish-Bowden set the following eddies spiralling through the > space-time continuum:
> > I guess it's just the flip side of one of my pet peeves: the almost > > universal pronunciation of "espresso" (as in coffee) as "expresso".
> It's an Italianism that's creeping into English. Soon it will be official, > in spelling as well as in speech.
HUH? Are you saying that Italians say "expresso"?
I don't know about the pronunciation, but by Mondadori's pocket Italian-English dictionary lists "espresso", and a whole lot of other es- words that are ex-words in English. It lists no ex- words.
I suppose one might argue that "expresso" (in English) is following the usual pattern.
-- "The difference between the /almost right/ word and the /right/ word is ... the difference between the lightning-bug and the lightning." --Mark Twain Stan Brown, Tompkins County, NY, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com
> > On 2011-05-02 18:00:44 +0200, "Pat Durkin" <durki...@msn.com> said:
> >> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
> >> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing > >> that he was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local > >> news reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was > >> "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent > >> weakening of al Qaida.
> >> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" > >> abomination from the fashion world, I think. And perhaps I was > >> more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation because a cousin > >> read to me only Saturday an instruction on her Kindle that spelled > >> "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling was used later in > >> the same paragraph.)
> > I guess it's just the flip side of one of my pet peeves: the almost > > universal pronunciation of "espresso" (as in coffee) as "expresso".
> And, in another direction, there are people who say "asterik" -- but I > have seen it explained that they have not actually lost the s; they > have merely moved it over to "stastistics".
In /Double Star/, Heinlein elides the narrator's ceremony of adoption into a Martian nest with "That line of astericks represents the ceremony." I've never known whether that was Heinlein, his publisher, or the printer.
-- "The difference between the /almost right/ word and the /right/ word is ... the difference between the lightning-bug and the lightning." --Mark Twain Stan Brown, Tompkins County, NY, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com
> > On May 2, 10:00 am, "Pat Durkin" <durki...@msn.com> wrote: > >> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
> >> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that > >> he was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local news > >> reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was > >> "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent weakening > >> of al Qaida.
> > I believe I've heard that too.
> >> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination > >> from the fashion world, I think. > >> And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation > >> because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her > >> Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling > >> was used later in the same paragraph.)
> > And in British English, the /k/ has disappeard from "succinct".
> [snip]
> Where have you heard that? I have never heard anything but suck-sinkt.
Woops. Neither has the OED. But I have heard it from Americans.
> Mind you, I have been telling people for years that flaccid is flak-sid.
> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that > he was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local news > reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was > "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent weakening > of al Qaida.
> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination > from the fashion world, I think. > And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation > because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her > Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling > was used later in the same paragraph.)
I'm horrified. I haven't heard esstatic or assessory and hope I never will.
> On May 2, 10:00 am, "Pat Durkin"<durki...@msn.com> wrote: >> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
>> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that >> he was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local news >> reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was >> "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent weakening >> of al Qaida.
> I believe I've heard that too.
>> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination >> from the fashion world, I think. >> And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation >> because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her >> Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling >> was used later in the same paragraph.)
> And in British English, the /k/ has disappeard from "succinct". Some > Americans say it without the /k/ too.
> -- > Jerry Friedman
Flaccid was once pronounced flaxid, and still is occasionally.
And coccyx has gone or is going the other way, from coxicks to cockicks.
<the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote: >On Mon, 2 May 2011 11:00:44 -0500, Pat Durkin wrote:
>> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
>> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that >> he was "esstatic" about something.
>For the past few *decades* I have heard about that cold region called >the "Artic" and the other one called the "Antartic". It drives me up >the wall.
The words are not heard all that frequently, though. On the other hand, you can scarcely go a day without hearing "axed" for "asked".
On May 2, 8:45 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 May 2011 19:04:38 -0400, Stan Brown > <the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
...
> >For the past few *decades* I have heard about that cold region called > >the "Artic" and the other one called the "Antartic". It drives me up > >the wall.
It's older than a few decades. "Arctic" is from French "artique", from Latin "articus" or "arcticus", from Greek "arkhtikhos" (OED).
AHD gives the /k/ pronunciation first. The OED, to my surprise, gives on the /k/ pronunciation.
> The words are not heard all that frequently, though. On the other > hand, you can scarcely go a day without hearing "axed" for "asked".
That may depend on where you live. I don't hear it here, though I do hear "asterik" and "eccetera".
<jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote: >On May 2, 8:45 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> On Mon, 2 May 2011 19:04:38 -0400, Stan Brown >> <the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote: >...
>> >For the past few *decades* I have heard about that cold region called >> >the "Artic" and the other one called the "Antartic". It drives me up >> >the wall.
>It's older than a few decades. "Arctic" is from French "artique", >from Latin "articus" or "arcticus", from Greek "arkhtikhos" (OED).
>AHD gives the /k/ pronunciation first. The OED, to my surprise, gives >on the /k/ pronunciation.
>> The words are not heard all that frequently, though. On the other >> hand, you can scarcely go a day without hearing "axed" for "asked".
>That may depend on where you live. I don't hear it here, though I do >hear "asterik" and "eccetera".
Just watch the news. Of course, I watch sports news and you may not.
>> "Expresso" has an analogy with classical music commentators who "restore" an >> apparently missing c in the title of Vaughan Williams' Symphony No. >> 7, "Sinfonia Antartica". The title is Italian not Latin, and having just >> one c in the second word is correct.
> "Othello" was by Shakespeare; "Otello" was by Verdi....
> And in Latin America, Disney's "Pinocchio" was called "Pinocho"....r
In Chile under the dictatorship Pinochet was known as Pinocho (or Pin8 in cartoons), by part of the population, anyway.
> Athel Cornish-Bowden set the following eddies spiralling through the > space-time continuum:
>>> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination >>> from the fashion world, I think. >>> And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation >>> because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her >>> Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling >>> was used later in the same paragraph.)
>> I guess it's just the flip side of one of my pet peeves: the almost >> universal pronunciation of "espresso" (as in coffee) as "expresso".
> It's an Italianism that's creeping into English.
Are you sure? I've always seen it written and heard it pronounced with s in Italy, and googling for pages in Italian yields ten times as many with s as with x.
> Soon it will be official, > in spelling as well as in speech.
> "Expresso" has an analogy with classical music commentators who "restore" an > apparently missing c in the title of Vaughan Williams' Symphony No. > 7, "Sinfonia Antartica". The title is Italian not Latin, and having just > one c in the second word is correct.
>>> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that >>> he was "esstatic" about something. Then, today, a CNN local news >>> reporter stated that the Islamic community in (Detroit?) was >>> "esstatic" about the removal of O bin Laden, and subsequent weakening >>> of al Qaida.
>> I believe I've heard that too.
>>> This is simply an extension of the "accessory/assessory" abomination >>> from the fashion world, I think. >>> And perhaps I was more than usually sensitized to this pronunciation >>> because a cousin read to me only Saturday an instruction on her >>> Kindle that spelled "accessing" as "assessing" (the correct spelling >>> was used later in the same paragraph.)
>> And in British English, the /k/ has disappeard from "succinct". >[snip]
>Where have you heard that? I have never heard anything but suck-sinkt. >Mind you, I have been telling people for years that flaccid is flak-sid.
I have heard it in Northern Ireland along with "assessible" for "accessible" and similar. I don't think I've heard "sussess" for "success".
<tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote: >On Mon, 2 May 2011 19:04:38 -0400, Stan Brown ><the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>On Mon, 2 May 2011 11:00:44 -0500, Pat Durkin wrote:
>>> Sorry if this comes across as just another "pet peeve".
>>> For the past few months I have heard a sports figure announcing that >>> he was "esstatic" about something.
>>For the past few *decades* I have heard about that cold region called >>the "Artic" and the other one called the "Antartic". It drives me up >>the wall.
>The words are not heard all that frequently, though. On the other >hand, you can scarcely go a day without hearing "axed" for "asked".
And people will insist an saying "bird" instead of "brid".
On May 3, 5:27 am, Jerry Friedman <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 2, 8:45 pm, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:> On Mon, 2 May 2011 19:04:38 -0400, Stan Brown > > <the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> ...
> > >For the past few *decades* I have heard about that cold region called > > >the "Artic" and the other one called the "Antartic". It drives me up > > >the wall.
> It's older than a few decades. "Arctic" is from French "artique",
