can you check?
minimus
There is something wrong with my sentence below.
Should I be saying at the end "he could not be accruing enough ..." ?
The person might prefer to work substantial number of hours at such early
ages because he would still be gaining utility from work, or because
otherwise he cannot accrue enough pension income for full retirement.
Peter Groves
news:gh33n9$9a5$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>
> There is something wrong with my sentence below.
Rather a lot, I'm afraid.
> Should I be saying at the end "he could not be accruing enough ..." ?
No -- that's not one of the problems.
Ian Jackson
<min...@live.co.uk> writes
You appear to be describing how something happening now affects the
situation in the future. I think it might be better to say either "he
would not be accruing enough ..." or "he could not accrue enough ..."
--
Ian
minimus
Derek Turner
> There is something wrong with my sentence below. Should I be saying at
> the end "he could not be accruing enough ..." ?
>
>
>
>
> The person
what person
>might prefer
OK
>to work substantial number of hours
unidiomatic. to work long hours
> at such early ages
unintelligible. not English. do you mean 'when young(er)'
>because he
applies only to men?
>would still be gaining utility from work,
totally unidiomatic and meaningless to me.
> or
> because otherwise he cannot accrue enough pension income for full
> retirement.
where to start? cannot is the wrong tense/mood, pension income is
tautological, full retirement is meaningless
In other words the whole sentence is a mess and without context I can't
help much to improve it. What aer you trying to say?
minimus
> totally unidiomatic and meaningless to me.
utility from work is an expression of labor ecomics. So it can be
meaningless to you only.
> where to start? cannot is the wrong tense/mood, pension income is
> tautological, full retirement is meaningless
pension income is also an expression of labor econonmics, and full
retirement too.
> In other words the whole sentence is a mess and without context I can't
> help much to improve it. What aer you trying to say?
Please forget about the context and only suggest grammatical corrections.
The rest I will take care of.
For example, "cannot" is the wrog tense and this is what I am asking.
Derek Turner
Fuck you.
minimus
Gramatically correct.
Morally incorrect.
minimus
> Fuck you.
I mean grammatically correct but I need to know the context.
CDB
I would put it a little differently: "The person might prefer to work
*a* substantial number of hours at such *an* early age[] because he
would still be gaining utility from work, or because otherwise he
*could not* accrue enough pension income for full retirement."
Perhaps "the person" is substituted in your example for something more
particular. If it simply stands for "someone", it should follow some
reference to "a person" in the immediately-preceding text; and "such
an early age" must follow the specification of some age or age-range.
"A young employee may choose to work double shifts all through his
twenties. The person might prefer...." As I look at it, I think that
some other choice would be better: "He or she...", "Such a person...",
"This employee..." -- something like that.
I would probably have thrown in a few more commas, but that is a
matter of style; I have left your usage as it is.
minimus
minimus
Pat Durkin
>> Fuck you.
>
> Gramatically correct.
> Morally incorrect.
You have snipped all attributions. I don't see this obscenity in Ian's
or Peter's comments. Could it be from a private email, rather than
Google Groups or another group?
Dying to know, for I don't have anyone blocked on this server, and want
to know if the server is dropping posters without my being aware.
minimus
> know if the server is dropping posters without my being aware.
Are you a modeator? If so why dont you block Derek Turner?
If you are not a moderator, then we dont have anything to share.
Skitt
> "minimus wrote:
>> Derek Turner wrote:
[missing attribution restored]
>>> Fuck you.
>>
>> Gramatically correct.
>> Morally incorrect.
>
> You have snipped all attributions. I don't see this obscenity in
> Ian's or Peter's comments. Could it be from a private email, rather
> than Google Groups or another group?
>
> Dying to know, for I don't have anyone blocked on this server, and
> want to know if the server is dropping posters without my being aware.
It was there -- it was the entire post by Derek.
Message-ID: <6pksdvF...@mid.individual.net>
--
Skitt (AmE)
CDB
>>> Fuck you.
>> Gramatically correct.
>> Morally incorrect.
It's in Derek's second and most recent posting in this subthread. I
got it at 8:44 this morning. Minimus's posting that you replied to
shows on my screen as being a reply to that one of Derek's, being
indented from it and directly below it.
Peter Groves
> Gramatically correct.
> Morally incorrect.
>
Well, your first is rather a moot point: if "fuck" here is an imperative,
what is the grammatical status of "you"? "Yourself" would be the proper
*grammatical* object, though it would introduce its own problems (of a
practical nature).
Peter Groves
CDB
>>> Fuck you.
>> Gramatically correct.
>> Morally incorrect.
It's in Derek's second and most recent posting in this subthread. I
Paul Wolff
unconventional, answer.
--
Paul
Pat Durkin
"CDB" <belle...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:gh4bt6$6ed$1...@news.motzarella.org...
nntp.aioe.org is not adequate to the job, at least, not if one wishes to
follow conversations. I still hope that minimus will conform to some
practices common to most AUE posters, in supplying attributions.
Pat Durkin
discretion to filter or block those individuals whose posts we don't
wish to read.
If you are sure we don't have anything to share, why are you posting on
a public newsgroup?
Other than suggest that you are not listing sources of comments to which
you are replying (attributions, that is) I had no opinion on your
message, but was merely reading the thread to find out other people's
thoughts. You did post an interesting question. I hoped to learn from
it.
Pat Durkin
"Skitt" <ski...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:gh45i8$gap$1...@news.albasani.net...
Oh, yes. I was reading and replying from my aioe.org server. You or
someone else mentioned the albasani server and I see Derek's comments
reading here (albasani.net) now.
minimus
> practices common to most AUE posters, in supplying attributions.
What is these attributions anyway?
I would be pleased if you could inform me if I am missing to do something
when replying.
minimus
> If you are sure we don't have anything to share, why are you posting on
> a public newsgroup?
I said that I dont have anything with you to share.
I thought you were a moderator cause you were mentioning about blocking...
But I understand now that you are talking about blocking messages privately
on your own computer and the news reader program...
anyways I even dont know what we are discussing.
I asked a question.
Someone who thinks that he is a human sweared on me.
thats all.
Leslie Danks
[...]
> I asked a question.
> Someone who thinks that he is a human sweared on me.
>
> thats all.
That should be "swore at me".
There are accepted ways of posting to Usenet. If you Google on "usenet
etiquette" or "netiquette" you will find any number of guides to these.
Here is one example of many:
<http://www.usenetmonster.com/infocenter/articles/usenet_how_to.asp>
Quoting sufficient of what you are replying (including giving the name of
who wrote it) enables the reader to make sense of what you write without
having to search through previous posts. That is taken very seriously here
and posters who ignore it will frequently be treated rudely. Some of those
who post here regularly are ruder than others; I suspect (though cannot
prove) that the rudest and roughest of all probably went to Eton.
It would also do no harm if you had a look at this:
<http://www.alt-usage-english.org/>
and (regarding quoting, etc.) studied the way other people post here. Bear
in mind that this is not a place for the faint of heart or the
over-sensitive.
--
Les (BrE)
Nick Spalding
on Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:44:19 -0600:
Apparently it has missed this one, the entire added content of which was
the obscenity above.
From: Derek Turner <frd...@cesmail.net>
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: can you check?
Date: 2 Dec 2008 13:44:31 GMT
Message-ID: <6pksdvF...@mid.individual.net>
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
Nick Spalding
on Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:46:44 -0600:
Stick with albasani, aioe drops a lot of posts both here and in afca.
<fixed pitch>
23/11-02/12
alt.fan.cecil-adams
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Total 4272 4270 4269 4269 4269 3053 4269 4269 4271
Avg. 427 427 427 427 427 305 427 427 427
99.95% 99.93% 99.93% 99.93% 71.47% 99.93% 99.93% 99.98%
alt.usage.english
Merge IOL NIN APN ALB AIO MOZ NDD TNV
Total 2887 2885 2881 2887 2881 1967 2881 2876 2880
Avg. 289 289 288 289 288 197 288 288 288
99.93% 99.79% 100.00% 99.79% 68.13% 99.79% 99.62% 99.76%
IOL – My ISP's server
NIN – news.individual.net - EUR10 p.a.
APN – Forté's rebadged Easynews - $2.95 p.m. for 12GB
ALB – news.albasani.net - free
AIO – news.aioe.org - free
MOZ – news.motzarella.org - free
NDD – news.datemas.de - free
TNV – news.tornevall.net - free
Skitt
> "Skitt" wrote
>> Pat Durkin wrote:
>>> "minimus wrote:
>>>> Derek Turner wrote:
>> [missing attribution restored]
>>>>> Fuck you.
>>>>
>>>> Gramatically correct.
>>>> Morally incorrect.
>>>
>>> You have snipped all attributions. I don't see this obscenity in
>>> Ian's or Peter's comments. Could it be from a private email, rather
>>> than Google Groups or another group?
>>>
>>> Dying to know, for I don't have anyone blocked on this server, and
>>> want to know if the server is dropping posters without my being
>>> aware.
>>
>> It was there -- it was the entire post by Derek.
>> Message-ID: <6pksdvF...@mid.individual.net>
>
> Oh, yes. I was reading and replying from my aioe.org server. You or
> someone else mentioned the albasani server and I see Derek's comments
> reading here (albasani.net) now.
A note about servers --
aioe misses some postings, as you have discovered
motzarella is good, but slows down very annoyingly from time to time
albasani is very good, but has the peculiarity of requiring header editing
to add a Followup-To line when responding to a crossposted message. I
usually just remove the other-than-aue groups.
--
Skitt (AmE)
Skitt
>> follow conversations. I still hope that minimus will conform to some
>> practices common to most AUE posters, in supplying attributions.
>
> What is these attributions anyway?
In this post, it is the top line -- "minimus wrote:". The attribution line
for the message starting with >> is missing, because you must have deleted
it.
> I would be pleased if you could inform me if I am missing to do
> something when replying.
You must be deleting that line, as Outlook Express, which you are using,
automatically provides the attribution line (or lines) when "Reply Group" is
hit.
--
Skitt (AmE)
Pat Durkin
Found that out, so I shorten the list to just the one, as you do.
Pat Durkin
As Skitt said. You should be able to see the "minimus" with your email
address, "wrote in message news:........news.motzarella.org." at the
head of this reply.
As Skitt has trimmed the entire attribution except for "minimus wrote:",
we can see who posted that message. I usually leave the entire couple
of lines. If one wishes to have the email address munged. . .the munged
form will appear.
Perhaps your other newsgroups don't ask for this, or any such form of
it.
Robin Bignall
wrote:
>minimus wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> I asked a question.
>> Someone who thinks that he is a human sweared on me.
>>
>> thats all.
>
>That should be "swore at me".
>
>There are accepted ways of posting to Usenet. If you Google on "usenet
>etiquette" or "netiquette" you will find any number of guides to these.
>Here is one example of many:
>
><http://www.usenetmonster.com/infocenter/articles/usenet_how_to.asp>
>
>Quoting sufficient of what you are replying (including giving the name of
>who wrote it) enables the reader to make sense of what you write without
>having to search through previous posts. That is taken very seriously here
>and posters who ignore it will frequently be treated rudely. Some of those
>who post here regularly are ruder than others; I suspect (though cannot
>prove) that the rudest and roughest of all probably went to Eton.
>
I doubt if all of them had that honor.
--
Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England
Skitt
I use QuoteFix with my Outlook Express. With it, I can set the attribution
option to present only the posters name and the word "wrote:", as you can
see above. That is for the latest attribution only, but I often do manual
editing to remove the other lengthy parts of previous attributions, making
them more easily read. I did not do that this time.
--
Skitt (AmE)
Default User
> I use QuoteFix with my Outlook Express. With it, I can set the
> attribution option to present only the posters name and the word
> "wrote:", as you can see above. That is for the latest attribution
> only, but I often do manual editing to remove the other lengthy parts
> of previous attributions, making them more easily read. I did not do
> that this time.
XanaNews is configurable on that score. There are a bunch of macros
that you can use to adjust it, as well as putting text in. Mine is set
to a minimal state:
%author% wrote:
Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)
Nick Spalding
on 3 Dec 2008 23:51:47 GMT:
> Skitt wrote:
>
>
> > I use QuoteFix with my Outlook Express. With it, I can set the
> > attribution option to present only the posters name and the word
> > "wrote:", as you can see above. That is for the latest attribution
> > only, but I often do manual editing to remove the other lengthy parts
> > of previous attributions, making them more easily read. I did not do
> > that this time.
>
> XanaNews is configurable on that score. There are a bunch of macros
> that you can use to adjust it, as well as putting text in. Mine is set
> to a minimal state:
>
> %author% wrote:
Agent does it that way and is separately configurable for each group, if
one wants to.
--
Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE