Headline: Morris dancers told to move on by police for 'offensive
dance routine'
A group of Morris dancers has been told to take their
sticks, bells and handkerchiefs elsewhere as their routines
were ‘offensive’.
The 15 members of the Wild Hunt Bedlam Morris team were halfway
through their show outside a pub when police arrived to tell them
to ‘stop making a din’ as they’d had a complaint from a neighbour.
After a quick chat, the dancers were moved on in the ‘interest of
community relations’.
However, one of their number, David Young, has hit back, saying
they were treated like ‘yobs’.
The 69-year-old said: ‘The way it all happened, you would have
thought it was a BNP or KKK meeting.
‘It’s the first time we’ve encountered anything like it.
‘We felt treated like yobs. But we’ve got ex-oil executives,
business owners and a school secretary in our group.’
The audience of about 30 at The White Lion in Warlingham, Surrey
were equally stunned by the jig being stopped last Tuesday night.
Martin Saunders, 54, said he was ‘appalled’ by the officers’ actions.
‘The police came along and told them to move on as they were
upsetting neighbours with their offensive dance routine,’ he said.
‘The officers were a little shame-faced about it all, but really
they should have just let the dancing continue – it was only just
after 9pm.’
Surrey Police said they had received a report of ‘noisy revellers’
outside the pub.
In August last year, a group of Morris dancers was ordered out of a
pub in Co Durham after a barmaid said the bells on their shoes
broke the bar’s music ban.
> Headline: Morris dancers told to move on by police for 'offensive
> dance routine'
> A group of Morris dancers has been told to take their
> sticks, bells and handkerchiefs elsewhere as their routines
> were ‘offensive’.
> The 15 members of the Wild Hunt Bedlam Morris team were halfway
> through their show outside a pub when police arrived to tell them
> to ‘stop making a din’ as they’d had a complaint from a neighbour.
> After a quick chat, the dancers were moved on in the ‘interest of
> community relations’.
> However, one of their number, David Young, has hit back, saying
> they were treated like ‘yobs’.
> The 69-year-old said: ‘The way it all happened, you would have
> thought it was a BNP or KKK meeting.
> ‘It’s the first time we’ve encountered anything like it.
> ‘We felt treated like yobs. But we’ve got ex-oil executives,
> business owners and a school secretary in our group.’
> The audience of about 30 at The White Lion in Warlingham, Surrey
> were equally stunned by the jig being stopped last Tuesday night.
> Martin Saunders, 54, said he was ‘appalled’ by the officers’ actions.
> ‘The police came along and told them to move on as they were
> upsetting neighbours with their offensive dance routine,’ he said.
> ‘The officers were a little shame-faced about it all, but really
> they should have just let the dancing continue – it was only just
> after 9pm.’
> Surrey Police said they had received a report of ‘noisy revellers’
> outside the pub.
> In August last year, a group of Morris dancers was ordered out of a
> pub in Co Durham after a barmaid said the bells on their shoes
> broke the bar’s music ban.
Morris Dancers are exempt from the Live Music Act 2012 on the
understanding that their music is never amplified. The "Wild Hunt
Bedlam Morris" company use a lot of very loud shouting, and I think
that may have been confused with disorderly conduct :)
Abzorba's very own Laura works close to the spot Cecil Sharp
rediscovered and saved for the nation "Morris Dancing"; but to my mind
it is tawdry and right up there with "ole 'obby horse" and (its modern
equivalent) Halloween.
> On Nov 6, 11:00 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> > Headline: Morris dancers told to move on by police for 'offensive
> > dance routine'
> > A group of Morris dancers has been told to take their
> > sticks, bells and handkerchiefs elsewhere as their routines
> > were ‘offensive’.
> > The 15 members of the Wild Hunt Bedlam Morris team were halfway
> > through their show outside a pub when police arrived to tell them
> > to ‘stop making a din’ as they’d had a complaint from a neighbour.
> > After a quick chat, the dancers were moved on in the ‘interest of
> > community relations’.
> > However, one of their number, David Young, has hit back, saying
> > they were treated like ‘yobs’.
> > The 69-year-old said: ‘The way it all happened, you would have
> > thought it was a BNP or KKK meeting.
> > ‘It’s the first time we’ve encountered anything like it.
> > ‘We felt treated like yobs. But we’ve got ex-oil executives,
> > business owners and a school secretary in our group.’
> > The audience of about 30 at The White Lion in Warlingham, Surrey
> > were equally stunned by the jig being stopped last Tuesday night.
> > Martin Saunders, 54, said he was ‘appalled’ by the officers’ actions.
> > ‘The police came along and told them to move on as they were
> > upsetting neighbours with their offensive dance routine,’ he said.
> > ‘The officers were a little shame-faced about it all, but really
> > they should have just let the dancing continue – it was only just
> > after 9pm.’
> > Surrey Police said they had received a report of ‘noisy revellers’
> > outside the pub.
> > In August last year, a group of Morris dancers was ordered out of a
> > pub in Co Durham after a barmaid said the bells on their shoes
> > broke the bar’s music ban.
> Morris Dancers are exempt from the Live Music Act 2012 on the
> understanding that their music is never amplified. The "Wild Hunt
> Bedlam Morris" company use a lot of very loud shouting, and I think
> that may have been confused with disorderly conduct :)
> Abzorba's very own Laura works close to the spot Cecil Sharp
> rediscovered and saved for the nation "Morris Dancing"; but to my mind
> it is tawdry and right up there with "ole 'obby horse" and (its modern
> equivalent) Halloween.
QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
incited violence?
Harrison Hill wrote:
> On Nov 6, 11:33 pm, Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 6, 11:00 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>> Headline: Morris dancers told to move on by police for 'offensive
>>> dance routine'
>>> A group of Morris dancers has been told to take their
>>> sticks, bells and handkerchiefs elsewhere as their routines
>>> were ‘offensive’.
>>> The 15 members of the Wild Hunt Bedlam Morris team were halfway
>>> through their show outside a pub when police arrived to tell them
>>> to ‘stop making a din’ as they’d had a complaint from a neighbour.
>>> After a quick chat, the dancers were moved on in the ‘interest of
>>> community relations’.
>>> However, one of their number, David Young, has hit back, saying
>>> they were treated like ‘yobs’.
>>> The 69-year-old said: ‘The way it all happened, you would have
>>> thought it was a BNP or KKK meeting.
>>> ‘It’s the first time we’ve encountered anything like it.
>>> ‘We felt treated like yobs. But we’ve got ex-oil executives,
>>> business owners and a school secretary in our group.’
>>> The audience of about 30 at The White Lion in Warlingham, Surrey
>>> were equally stunned by the jig being stopped last Tuesday night.
>>> Martin Saunders, 54, said he was ‘appalled’ by the officers’ actions.
>>> ‘The police came along and told them to move on as they were
>>> upsetting neighbours with their offensive dance routine,’ he said.
>>> ‘The officers were a little shame-faced about it all, but really
>>> they should have just let the dancing continue – it was only just
>>> after 9pm.’
>>> Surrey Police said they had received a report of ‘noisy revellers’
>>> outside the pub.
>>> In August last year, a group of Morris dancers was ordered out of a
>>> pub in Co Durham after a barmaid said the bells on their shoes
>>> broke the bar’s music ban.
>> Morris Dancers are exempt from the Live Music Act 2012 on the
>> understanding that their music is never amplified. The "Wild Hunt
>> Bedlam Morris" company use a lot of very loud shouting, and I think
>> that may have been confused with disorderly conduct :)
>> Abzorba's very own Laura works close to the spot Cecil Sharp
>> rediscovered and saved for the nation "Morris Dancing"; but to my mind
>> it is tawdry and right up there with "ole 'obby horse" and (its modern
>> equivalent) Halloween.
> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
> incited violence?
> Harrison Hill wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 11:33 pm, Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 6, 11:00 pm, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >>> Headline: Morris dancers told to move on by police for 'offensive
> >>> dance routine'
> >>> A group of Morris dancers has been told to take their
> >>> sticks, bells and handkerchiefs elsewhere as their routines
> >>> were ‘offensive’.
> >>> The 15 members of the Wild Hunt Bedlam Morris team were halfway
> >>> through their show outside a pub when police arrived to tell them
> >>> to ‘stop making a din’ as they’d had a complaint from a neighbour.
> >>> After a quick chat, the dancers were moved on in the ‘interest of
> >>> community relations’.
> >>> However, one of their number, David Young, has hit back, saying
> >>> they were treated like ‘yobs’.
> >>> The 69-year-old said: ‘The way it all happened, you would have
> >>> thought it was a BNP or KKK meeting.
> >>> ‘It’s the first time we’ve encountered anything like it.
> >>> ‘We felt treated like yobs. But we’ve got ex-oil executives,
> >>> business owners and a school secretary in our group.’
> >>> The audience of about 30 at The White Lion in Warlingham, Surrey
> >>> were equally stunned by the jig being stopped last Tuesday night.
> >>> Martin Saunders, 54, said he was ‘appalled’ by the officers’ actions.
> >>> ‘The police came along and told them to move on as they were
> >>> upsetting neighbours with their offensive dance routine,’ he said.
> >>> ‘The officers were a little shame-faced about it all, but really
> >>> they should have just let the dancing continue – it was only just
> >>> after 9pm.’
> >>> Surrey Police said they had received a report of ‘noisy revellers’
> >>> outside the pub.
> >>> In August last year, a group of Morris dancers was ordered out of a
> >>> pub in Co Durham after a barmaid said the bells on their shoes
> >>> broke the bar’s music ban.
> >> Morris Dancers are exempt from the Live Music Act 2012 on the
> >> understanding that their music is never amplified. The "Wild Hunt
> >> Bedlam Morris" company use a lot of very loud shouting, and I think
> >> that may have been confused with disorderly conduct :)
> >> Abzorba's very own Laura works close to the spot Cecil Sharp
> >> rediscovered and saved for the nation "Morris Dancing"; but to my mind
> >> it is tawdry and right up there with "ole 'obby horse" and (its modern
> >> equivalent) Halloween.
> > QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
> > record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
> > incited violence?
>Headline: Morris dancers told to move on by police for 'offensive
> dance routine'
> A group of Morris dancers has been told to take their
> sticks, bells and handkerchiefs elsewhere as their routines
> were ‘offensive’.
Pause to recall the Morris routine on "Alfresco" where Hugh Laurie explained to
some new members of the group that the sticks, bells, handkerchiefs and other
attributes were in fact all meant to represent penises....r
>QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
>record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
>incited violence?
>> Headline: Morris dancers told to move on by police for 'offensive
>> dance routine'
>> A group of Morris dancers has been told to take their
>> sticks, bells and handkerchiefs elsewhere as their routines
>> were ‘offensive’.
> Pause to recall the Morris routine on "Alfresco" where Hugh Laurie explained to
> some new members of the group that the sticks, bells, handkerchiefs and other
> attributes were in fact all meant to represent penises....r
Sticks, OK; bells, maybe; but handkerchiefs? (Actually I think they're kerchiefs rather than handkerchiefs.)
No cluons were harmed when Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
> incited violence?
[cross-posting removed]
On 2012-11-06, Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
> incited violence?
The Battle Hymn of the Republic / Mine eyes have seen the Glory / John
Brown's body?
>[cross-posting removed]
>On 2012-11-06, Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>[...]
>> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
>> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
>> incited violence?
>The Battle Hymn of the Republic / Mine eyes have seen the Glory / John
>Brown's body?
On 2012-11-07, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> Whiskers filted:
>>[cross-posting removed]
>>On 2012-11-06, Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>[...]
>>> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
>>> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
>>> incited violence?
>>The Battle Hymn of the Republic / Mine eyes have seen the Glory / John
>>Brown's body?
> The 19th century version of "Lili Marlene"....r
That one, and Marlene Dietrich, were popular with the troops on both sides
in WWII, in Europe. I can't imagine it inciting violence, so much as
home-sickness or nostalgia.
Mark Edwards wrote:
> No cluons were harmed when Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
>> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
>> incited violence?
>> [cross-posting removed]
>> On 2012-11-06, Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
>>> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
>>> incited violence?
>> The Battle Hymn of the Republic / Mine eyes have seen the Glory / John
>> Brown's body?
> The 19th century version of "Lili Marlene"....r
Nineteenth? The poem was most likely written in 1915 and not set to music till the late 30s.
>>> Headline: Morris dancers told to move on by police for 'offensive
>>> dance routine'
>>> A group of Morris dancers has been told to take their
>>> sticks, bells and handkerchiefs elsewhere as their routines
>>> were ‘offensive’.
>> Pause to recall the Morris routine on "Alfresco" where Hugh Laurie
>> explained to
>> some new members of the group that the sticks, bells, handkerchiefs
>> and other
>> attributes were in fact all meant to represent penises....r
> Sticks, OK; bells, maybe; but handkerchiefs? (Actually I think they're
> kerchiefs rather than handkerchiefs.)
We call them "wavers". They are quite a bit larger than the average handkerchief.
"Les Cargill" wrote in message news:k7eqhp$vrk$3@dont-email.me... > Mark Edwards wrote:
> > No cluons were harmed when Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
> >> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
> >> incited violence?
> On 2012-11-07, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > Whiskers filted:
> >>[cross-posting removed]
> >>On 2012-11-06, Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>[...]
> >>> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
> >>> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
> >>> incited violence?
> >>The Battle Hymn of the Republic / Mine eyes have seen the Glory / John
> >>Brown's body?
> > The 19th century version of "Lili Marlene"....r
> That one, and Marlene Dietrich, were popular with the troops on both sides
> in WWII, in Europe. I can't imagine it inciting violence, so much as
> home-sickness or nostalgia.
Lale Anderson, not Marlene Dietrich, according to:
Lili Marlene by Lale Anderson - Original 1942 version
Often wrongly credited to Marlene Dietrich, by me too till I knew :)"
According to Denis Johnston in "Nine Rivers from Jordan".
This recording was played every night by the radio station that the
Afrika Korps listened to and the Eighth Army listened in as well.
-- Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
> "Les Cargill" wrote in message news:k7eqhp$vrk$3@dont-email.me...
>> Mark Edwards wrote:
>> > No cluons were harmed when Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
>> >> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
>> >> incited violence?
On 2012-11-08, Lewis <g.kr...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <slrnk9l8o8.pr.catwhee...@ID-107770.user.individual.net> > Whiskers <catwhee...@operamail.com> wrote:
>> [cross-posting removed]
>> On 2012-11-06, Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
>>> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
>>> incited violence?
>> The Battle Hymn of the Republic / Mine eyes have seen the Glory / John
>> Brown's body?
> Those all have words.
To the same tune - which can be, and often is, played without anyone
singing or being expected to. Hearing the tune might well annoy anyone who
isn't entirely happy with the conduct or result of what we over here refer
to as 'The American Civil War'.
> Whiskers wrote, in
> <slrnk9lmoa.53i.catwhee...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:04:58 +0000:
>> On 2012-11-07, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> > Whiskers filted:
>> >>[cross-posting removed]
>> >>On 2012-11-06, Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>[...]
>> >>> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
>> >>> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
>> >>> incited violence?
>> >>The Battle Hymn of the Republic / Mine eyes have seen the Glory / John
>> >>Brown's body?
>> > The 19th century version of "Lili Marlene"....r
>> That one, and Marlene Dietrich, were popular with the troops on both sides
>> in WWII, in Europe. I can't imagine it inciting violence, so much as
>> home-sickness or nostalgia.
> Lale Anderson, not Marlene Dietrich, according to:
> Lili Marlene by Lale Anderson - Original 1942 version
Thanks for introducing a singer I hadn't heard, or heard of, before.
Wikipedia dates the original Lale Anderson recording to 1939, and that it
was a frequent item on the German Forces radio station broadcasting from
Belgrade following the 1941 invasion.
> Often wrongly credited to Marlene Dietrich, by me too till I knew :)"
> According to Denis Johnston in "Nine Rivers from Jordan".
> This recording was played every night by the radio station that the
> Afrika Korps listened to and the Eighth Army listened in as well.
- first performed “Lili Marlene” during North Africa U.S.O. tour, 1943;
- performed over 500 times before Allied troops, 1943-46;
That site also says she recorded the song for OSS propaganda broadcasts to
Germany, in 1944. Wikipedia credits it to the Decca label.
I believe this is her original recording <http://youtu.be/8jrfluDC9AA>
(good pictures too, for Dietrich fans). That's certainly the one I grew up
with. Much sexier than Anderson's gentle rendition.
>On 2012-11-08, Nick Spalding <spald...@iol.ie> wrote:
>> Whiskers wrote, in
>> <slrnk9lmoa.53i.catwhee...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
>> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:04:58 +0000:
>>> On 2012-11-07, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>> > Whiskers filted:
>>> >>[cross-posting removed]
>>> >>On 2012-11-06, Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>[...]
>>> >>> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
>>> >>> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
>>> >>> incited violence?
>>> >>The Battle Hymn of the Republic / Mine eyes have seen the Glory / John
>>> >>Brown's body?
>>> > The 19th century version of "Lili Marlene"....r
>>> That one, and Marlene Dietrich, were popular with the troops on both sides
>>> in WWII, in Europe. I can't imagine it inciting violence, so much as
>>> home-sickness or nostalgia.
>> Lale Anderson, not Marlene Dietrich, according to:
>> Lili Marlene by Lale Anderson - Original 1942 version
>Thanks for introducing a singer I hadn't heard, or heard of, before.
>Wikipedia dates the original Lale Anderson recording to 1939, and that it
>was a frequent item on the German Forces radio station broadcasting from
>Belgrade following the 1941 invasion.
>> Often wrongly credited to Marlene Dietrich, by me too till I knew :)"
>> According to Denis Johnston in "Nine Rivers from Jordan".
>> This recording was played every night by the radio station that the
>> Afrika Korps listened to and the Eighth Army listened in as well.
> - first performed “Lili Marlene” during North Africa U.S.O. tour, 1943;
> - performed over 500 times before Allied troops, 1943-46;
>That site also says she recorded the song for OSS propaganda broadcasts to
>Germany, in 1944. Wikipedia credits it to the Decca label.
>I believe this is her original recording <http://youtu.be/8jrfluDC9AA>
>(good pictures too, for Dietrich fans). That's certainly the one I grew up
>with. Much sexier than Anderson's gentle rendition.
That's the one I remember, too. I would have been too young to
appreciate the earlier version.
-- Robin Bignall
(BrE)
Herts, England
> On 2012-11-08, Nick Spalding <spald...@iol.ie> wrote:
>> Whiskers wrote, in
>> <slrnk9lmoa.53i.catwhee...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>
>> on Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:04:58 +0000:
>>> On 2012-11-07, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>> Whiskers filted:
>>>>> [cross-posting removed]
>>>>> On 2012-11-06, Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> QUIZ: On an even less likely "banning" issue, which instrumental
>>>>>> record - with no words at all - was banned in the USA, because it
>>>>>> incited violence?
>>>>> The Battle Hymn of the Republic / Mine eyes have seen the Glory / John
>>>>> Brown's body?
>>>> The 19th century version of "Lili Marlene"....r
>>> That one, and Marlene Dietrich, were popular with the troops on both sides
>>> in WWII, in Europe. I can't imagine it inciting violence, so much as
>>> home-sickness or nostalgia.
>> Lale Anderson, not Marlene Dietrich, according to:
>> Lili Marlene by Lale Anderson - Original 1942 version
> Thanks for introducing a singer I hadn't heard, or heard of, before.
> Wikipedia dates the original Lale Anderson recording to 1939, and that it
> was a frequent item on the German Forces radio station broadcasting from
> Belgrade following the 1941 invasion.
>> Often wrongly credited to Marlene Dietrich, by me too till I knew :)"
>> According to Denis Johnston in "Nine Rivers from Jordan".
>> This recording was played every night by the radio station that the
>> Afrika Korps listened to and the Eighth Army listened in as well.
> - first performed “Lili Marlene” during North Africa U.S.O. tour, 1943;
> - performed over 500 times before Allied troops, 1943-46;
> That site also says she recorded the song for OSS propaganda broadcasts to
> Germany, in 1944. Wikipedia credits it to the Decca label.
> I believe this is her original recording <http://youtu.be/8jrfluDC9AA>
> (good pictures too, for Dietrich fans). That's certainly the one I grew up
> with. Much sexier than Anderson's gentle rendition.
Surely the point is that Lale Anderson sang it in German for the Germans. It became such a hit with both sides that the allied troops started singing it and they were singing it in German. Authorities on both sides were so concerned that Lale was stopped, and in the west an English translation was called for. Dietrich made the definitive recording in English which helped put a stop to that.
Lewis wrote:
> In message <imgom9x9im....@news.ducksburg.com>
> Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> Headline: Morris dancers told to move on by police for 'offensive
>> dance routine'
>> A group of Morris dancers has been told to take their
>> sticks, bells and handkerchiefs elsewhere as their routines
>> were ‘offensive’.
> Seems perfectly reasonable.
>> ‘We felt treated like yobs. But we’ve got ex-oil executives,
>> business owners and a school secretary in our group.’
> OIL EXECUTIVES?!
> Get the rope.
Be careful you don't hang the Archbishop of Canterbury. Bad karma.
-- Regards
John
for mail: my initials plus a u e
at tpg dot com dot au
