Celine: going and doing

[Marius Hancu]

Hello:

What's the need for "going" in "going and doing" here?

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[Bardamu and Robinson had expected money to come from this lady before
she hanged herself.]

"But can you beat that fellow's mother going and doing a thing like
that? And I'm damned if she doesn't go and hang herself the very day I
get back, strike me pink if she doesn't!"

Louis-Ferdinand Celine, Journey to the End of the Night, p. 107
Tr. by John H.P. Marks
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Thanks.

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

On Sun, 16 May 2010 04:50:23 -0700 (PDT), Marius Hancu
<marius...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hello:
>
>What's the need for "going" in "going and doing" here?
>

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/go-and#go-and__1

go and...
informal
used to express disapproval of something that is done

He's gone and lost (= He has lost) that wallet I gave him for his
birthday.

Mike's really gone and done it now - he'll be in terrible trouble
for breaking that window.

There is an even more emphatic form: "been and gone and ...":

Someone has done something silly:

Now look what he's been and gone and done.

>---
>[Bardamu and Robinson had expected money to come from this lady before
>she hanged herself.]
>
>"But can you beat that fellow's mother going and doing a thing like
>that? And I'm damned if she doesn't go and hang herself the very day I
>get back, strike me pink if she doesn't!"
>
>Louis-Ferdinand Celine, Journey to the End of the Night, p. 107
>Tr. by John H.P. Marks
>---

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)

[Marius Hancu]

On May 16, 8:12 am, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
wrote:

> >What's the need for "going" in "going and doing" here?
>
> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/go-and#go-and__1
>
> go and...
> informal
> used to express disapproval of something that is done
>
> He's gone and lost (= He has lost) that wallet I gave him for his
> birthday.
>
> Mike's really gone and done it now - he'll be in terrible trouble
> for breaking that window.
>
> There is an even more emphatic form: "been and gone and ...":
>
> Someone has done something silly:
>
> Now look what he's been and gone and done.
>
> >---
> >[Bardamu and Robinson had expected money to come from this lady before
> >she hanged herself.]
>
> >"But can you beat that fellow's mother going and doing a thing like
> >that? And I'm damned if she doesn't go and hang herself the very day I
> >get back, strike me pink if she doesn't!"

I didn't quite expect this.

Thanks.
Marius Hancu

[Peter Duncanson (BrE)]

On Sun, 16 May 2010 13:12:05 +0100, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)"
<ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 16 May 2010 04:50:23 -0700 (PDT), Marius Hancu
><marius...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hello:
>>
>>What's the need for "going" in "going and doing" here?
>>
>
>http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/go-and#go-and__1
>
> go and...
> informal
> used to express disapproval of something that is done
>
> He's gone and lost (= He has lost) that wallet I gave him for his
> birthday.
>
> Mike's really gone and done it now - he'll be in terrible trouble
> for breaking that window.
>
>There is an even more emphatic form: "been and gone and ...":
>
>Someone has done something silly:
>
> Now look what he's been and gone and done.
>

From Longman's Dictionary of Idioms:

"have been and gone and" coll. to have done something, especially
something unwise, unnecessary, disapproved of, etc.: "he has been
and gone and opened another bottle of wine when we still have one
that is half full". Often shortened to "been and" or "gone and".

[Jonathan Morton]

"Marius Hancu" <marius...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:750d4d5b-9da4-4e1b...@q23g2000vba.googlegroups.com...

>
>> >What's the need for "going" in "going and doing" here?
>>
>> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/go-and#go-and__1
>>
>

> I didn't quite expect this.

Marius, you might like to note that this is a slightly different "go and
..." from the regular BrE usage, which is simply an equivalent of "go
to...". For example, "let's go and have a drink" does not have the "been and
gone and done it" connotations which Peter illustrates in his post.

Also note that the "go + bare infinitive" - as in "go figure" - is not
regular BrE usage.

Regards

Jonathan

[Marius Hancu]

On May 16, 11:13 am, "Jonathan Morton"
<jonathan.mortonbutignorethisp...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> >> >What's the need for "going" in "going and doing" here?
>
> >>http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/go-and#go-and__1
>
> > I didn't quite expect this.
>
> Marius, you might like to note that this is a slightly different "go and
> ..." from the regular BrE usage, which is simply an equivalent of "go
> to...". For example, "let's go and have a drink" does not have the "been and
> gone and done it" connotations which Peter illustrates in his post.
>
> Also note that the "go + bare infinitive" - as in "go figure" - is not
> regular BrE usage.

Thanks.
Marius Hancu

[ke...@cam.ac.uk]

In article <tb10v5p20f48lsh68...@4ax.com>,

Peter Duncanson (BrE) <ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 16 May 2010 13:12:05 +0100, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)"
><ma...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 16 May 2010 04:50:23 -0700 (PDT), Marius Hancu
>><marius...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hello:
>>>
>>>What's the need for "going" in "going and doing" here?
>>>
>>
>>http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/go-and#go-and__1
>>
>> go and...
>> informal
>> used to express disapproval of something that is done
>>
>> He's gone and lost (= He has lost) that wallet I gave him for his
>> birthday.
>>
>> Mike's really gone and done it now - he'll be in terrible trouble
>> for breaking that window.
>>

Common in aue in the form "Now you've gone and wook up X" (name omitted to
avoid wooking any of them up).

Katy