Somewhat OT: Cuneiform help
Evan Kirshenbaum
(any inscription or even an example text) in Akkadian cuneiform that
has a reference to Sargon I, and I've been unable to turn one up on
the web. (I see several books that might well have such a thing, but
we're going out of town in the morning, so I won't be able to ask
someone to raid the Stanford library, and his project is due the day
after we get back. Of course, he didn't tell us until this evening.)
Does anybody have a book with such a text that they would be willing
to scan in and put on a web site or e-mail to me, or fax to me? (Or
know of a site I missed that has one already?) My son (and I) would
be very grateful.
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James Hogg
> My son is in need of an image (a drawing will do) of an inscription
> (any inscription or even an example text) in Akkadian cuneiform that
> has a reference to Sargon I, and I've been unable to turn one up on
> the web. (I see several books that might well have such a thing, but
> we're going out of town in the morning, so I won't be able to ask
> someone to raid the Stanford library, and his project is due the day
> after we get back. Of course, he didn't tell us until this evening.)
>
>
> Does anybody have a book with such a text that they would be willing
> to scan in and put on a web site or e-mail to me, or fax to me? (Or
> know of a site I missed that has one already?) My son (and I) would
> be very grateful.
>
There's a book here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=izhhWQEJkrQC
Plates are at the back for you to do a screen capture. The first picture
on page 382 shows the inscription that is edited and translated on page
53. It begins: "Sargon left the palace..."
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Franz Gnaedinger
> My son is in need of an image (a drawing will do) of an inscription
> (any inscription or even an example text) in Akkadian cuneiform that
> has a reference to Sargon I, and I've been unable to turn one up on
> the web. (I see several books that might well have such a thing, but
> we're going out of town in the morning, so I won't be able to ask
> someone to raid the Stanford library, and his project is due the day
> after we get back. Of course, he didn't tell us until this evening.)
>
> Does anybody have a book with such a text that they would be willing
> to scan in and put on a web site or e-mail to me, or fax to me? (Or
> know of a site I missed that has one already?) My son (and I) would
> be very grateful.
Did you try in the Images sector? Google there for "sargon 1"
Yusuf B Gursey
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not off-topic for sci.lang
Peter T. Daniels
That's a Sumerian text with an added Akkadian gloss. (Joan's
introduction to that chapter doesn't refer to any Akkadian texts.) I
wonder whether the teacher is quite certain of what they are asking
for?
Evan Kirshenbaum
That would be great except that what he's planning on doing is
recreating the inscription in clay, and even magnified, I can't make
it out well enough to do so.
Thanks, though. That's better than I had found.
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James Hogg
> James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> writes:
>
>> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
>>> My son is in need of an image (a drawing will do) of an inscription
>>> (any inscription or even an example text) in Akkadian cuneiform that
>>> has a reference to Sargon I, and I've been unable to turn one up on
>>> the web. (I see several books that might well have such a thing, but
>>> we're going out of town in the morning, so I won't be able to ask
>>> someone to raid the Stanford library, and his project is due the day
>>> after we get back. Of course, he didn't tell us until this evening.)
>>> Does anybody have a book with such a text that they would be willing
>>> to scan in and put on a web site or e-mail to me, or fax to me? (Or
>>> know of a site I missed that has one already?) My son (and I) would
>>> be very grateful.
>>>
>> There's a book here:
>> http://books.google.com/books?id=izhhWQEJkrQC
>>
>> Plates are at the back for you to do a screen capture. The first picture
>> on page 382 shows the inscription that is edited and translated on page
>> 53. It begins: "Sargon left the palace..."
>
> That would be great except that what he's planning on doing is
> recreating the inscription in clay, and even magnified, I can't make
> it out well enough to do so.
>
> Thanks, though. That's better than I had found.
And as Peter points out, it's Sumerian, not Akkadian.
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Evan Kirshenbaum
The teacher's not actually asking for it; this is his idea (and this
is just 6th grade, so it doesn't have to be all *that* accurate). The
notion is that one of the points in his report is that during/around
the time of Sargon I's reign the form of the writing system change,
and he wants to be able to illustrate the new style, preferably with
an inscription that actually has Sargon's name in it (though anything
would do if necessary).
I'm a bit out of my depth here in terms of the various phases
cuneiform went through, but my books indicate that such a change did
occur around the right time (ca. 2400BC). Unless I'm mistaken, the
texts in your book (e.g., pp. 54-55 and the typeset text on p. 56)
would be a later style. If you think that any of that section might
apply, though, please let me know, as that would be the easiest to
use.
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James Hogg
> James Hogg <Jas....@gOUTmail.com> writes:
>
>> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
>>> My son is in need of an image (a drawing will do) of an
>>> inscription (any inscription or even an example text) in Akkadian
>>> cuneiform that has a reference to Sargon I, and I've been unable
>>> to turn one up on the web. (I see several books that might well
>>> have such a thing, but we're going out of town in the morning,
>>> so I won't be able to ask someone to raid the Stanford library,
>>> and his project is due the day after we get back. Of course, he
>>> didn't tell us until this evening.) Does anybody have a book with
>>> such a text that they would be willing to scan in and put on a
>>> web site or e-mail to me, or fax to me? (Or know of a site I
>>> missed that has one already?) My son (and I) would be very
>>> grateful.
>>>
>> There's a book here: http://books.google.com/books?id=izhhWQEJkrQC
>>
>> Plates are at the back for you to do a screen capture. The first
>> picture on page 382 shows the inscription that is edited and
>> translated on page 53. It begins: "Sargon left the palace..."
>
> That would be great except that what he's planning on doing is
> recreating the inscription in clay, and even magnified, I can't make
> it out well enough to do so.
>
> Thanks, though. That's better than I had found.
If you go to this site:
http://cdli.ucla.edu/wiki/doku.php/old_babylonian_literature_akkadian
under heading B. Legends of Akkadian Kings
there's a text entitled "Sargon, King of Battle".
Clicking on the link TIM 9 48 leads you to a drawing that I certainly
wouldn't like to have to reproduce in clay. I don't know where (or if)
the name Sargon occurs, but maybe your son's teacher doesn't either.
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James
Liz
> My son is in need of an image (a drawing will do) of an inscription
> (any inscription or even an example text) in Akkadian cuneiform that
> has a reference to Sargon I, and I've been unable to turn one up on
> the web. (I see several books that might well have such a thing, but
> we're going out of town in the morning, so I won't be able to ask
> someone to raid the Stanford library, and his project is due the day
> after we get back. Of course, he didn't tell us until this evening.)
>
> Does anybody have a book with such a text that they would be willing
> to scan in and put on a web site or e-mail to me, or fax to me? (Or
> know of a site I missed that has one already?) My son (and I) would
> be very grateful.
You forgot to check this site:
The logogram for "king", sarrum in Akkadian, is transliterated
as LUGAL, which is Sumerian for "king"
Evan Kirshenbaum
No, actually, I hadn't. That was the best I had found, but my
impression was that the form they give was more the later style, when
it had become more stylized, around the time of Sargon II. And in any
case, the only examples they give there are individual words, where we
were hoping for something on the level of a sentence or two.
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Peter T. Daniels
P. 54 is Neo-Babyonian, p. 55 is Neo-Assyrian, mid first millennium,
so both irrelevant.
P. 44 is Sumerian, but from the site with some of the very earliest
Semitic texts (Eblaite turned out to be very like the Abu Salabikh and
Kish texts, i.e. Old Akkadian).
My font is a regularization of Neo-Assyrian. But nowadays you can
dowload a set of Unicode cuneiform fonts -- there are three or four by
now -- that imitate Sumerian, Old Babylonian (as in the Hammurapi
stela), and Neo-Assyrian (which is the standard citation form only
because the initial discoveries, the ones that ended up in the British
Museum and the Louvre, are from libraries of that age). Look for
"Ullikummi" -- I think that's the Hittite-specific variety -- and its
sisters.
If you're looking for texts relating to the shapes seen on p. 39, you
won't get any Akkadian, but if there are any useful illustrations in
Joan's book, they'd represent the middle column.
Peter T. Daniels
> Evan Kirshenbaum wrote:
Hunt around for "school texts" -- there are plenty of examples of
schoolboys (no girls, of course) learning to write, making big,
awkward, misshapen signs alongside the teacher's models. I don't know
that anyone has gathered them all in one place, but there are lots of
articles on scribal education that will reproduce one or two. And note
that the first decades of Zeitschrift fur Assyriologie, Revue
d'Assyriologie, etc., are available in google books.