scissors, rock and cloth
Caps
Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
this?
Personally I think this question ranks high in the level of
interestingness among all my recent questions
(Hahaha! self-amusement).
Skitt
"Caps" <Ca...@Lock.com> wrote in message
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It's scissors, rock, and paper in the USA.
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CyberCypher
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> To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
> Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
> and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
> also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
> this?
We call it scissors, paper, rock.
--
Franke: Yawn. Just woke up.
R H Draney
>To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
>Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
>and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
>also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
>this?
As others have already pointed out, the American version substitutes
paper for cloth...probably an Egyptian influence via the Mediterranean
trade routes....
The only name I've seen is some permutations of the three items:
"paper, rock, scissors" seems to be the one that flows best...it makes
a nice illustration of the concept intransitivity....r
Gwen Lenker
wrote:
While I was growing up in San Francisco, the name of the rock, paper,
scissors game was Ro Sham Po (or Ro Sham Bo, as I'm seeing it spelled
these days).
Play it here:
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~felixd/RockPaperScissors.htm
Or download "roshambo.zip" for Windows from
http://www.mbay.net/~xainthax/download/roshambo.zip
david56
Scissors, paper, stone in the UK.
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spammers.
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Martin Ambuhl
>
> To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
> Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
> and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
> also called scissors, rock and cloth?
Scissors, rock, and paper.
> Is there a name for
> this?
"Scissors - Rock - Paper"
--
Carius est nobis flagellari p doctrina quam nescire.
[leofre ys us beon beswungen for lare thaenne hit ne cunnan.]
- MS Cotton Tiberius A, xv, fol. 60v (British Library)
Richard Fontana
>To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
>Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
>and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
>also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
>this?
I am most familiar with the name "rock, paper, scissors". Regarding the
ordering of the words, let's see what Auntie Google has to say:
"rock paper scissors" 20700
"rock scissors paper" 3830
"paper rock scissors" 2920
"paper scissors rock" 1860
"scissors rock paper" 366
"scissors paper rock" 759
Yup. Just as I suspected.
Jonathan Jordan
Richard Fontana <rfon...@wesleyan.edu> wrote in message
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I don't think I've ever heard a version with "rock" - almost certainly
pondian. I'd go for "scissors paper stone" - here's what Google says when
"rock" is replaced by "stone".
"paper scissors stone" 3330
"scissors paper stone" 1620
"stone scissors paper" 446
"stone paper scissors" 355
"paper stone scissors" 99
"scissors stone paper" 43
So the "stone" variant of Richard's version only comes fourth.
Jonathan
Anno Siegel
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:36:34 -0800 Caps wrote:
> >To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
> >Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
> >and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
> >also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
> >this?
Chicken, Worm".
> I am most familiar with the name "rock, paper, scissors". Regarding the
> ordering of the words, let's see what Auntie Google has to say:
>
> "rock paper scissors" 20700
> "rock scissors paper" 3830
> "paper rock scissors" 2920
> "paper scissors rock" 1860
> "scissors rock paper" 366
> "scissors paper rock" 759
>
> Yup. Just as I suspected.
No hits for the combinations of "(hu)man chicken worm" I tried.
Anno
Bob Stahl
> To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
> Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
> and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
> also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
> this?
Rock-Paper-Scissors.
Rochambeau was the name I knew in San Francisco; a 60-yr-old
friend also knew it by this name in Chicago.
Variant names from Usenet (sci.lang.japan and elsewhere):
Japan Jan-Ken-Pon, Ishi-Ken, Choki-Pa-Gu, or Jan-Ken
China Chai-Ken
Philippines Diyak-en-Poi, or Jack-and-Poi
Indonesia Hic-Haec-Hoc
South London Ching-Chang-Cholly
Enfield Chu-Chin-Chow
Croydon Ick-Ack-Ock
Lambeth Eee-Pas-Vous
Brixton Stink-Stank-Stoller
Yugoslavia Zimi-Zami-Zum
Canada Rock-Paper-Scissors or Roche-Papier-Ciseaux
US Rochambeau or Rock-Paper-Scissors
Florida Injun-Joe
Variant objects:
Japan/China Scissors Rock Cloth
Vietnam Hammer Scissors Paper
Hammer Nail Paper
Well Scissors Leaf
Malaysian Rock Paper Bird
Indonesia Elephant Flea Mouse
Earwig Man Elephant
Ant Man Elephant
Canada Rock Paper Scissors
Austria Well Paper Scissors
(leaf floats in a well, scissors sink in the well, scissors cuts leaf)
http://www.worldrps.com/
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mrockpaper.html
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=rochambeau+rock+paper+scissors
http://www.netlaputa.ne.jp/~tokyo3/e/janken_e.html#Austria%201
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Bob Stahl
LarryLard
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> Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
> and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
> also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
> this?
Scissors, paper, stone (in some order) in the UK.
Obmention of Rock Paper Scissors Spock Lizard.
--
Larry Lard
Replies to group please.
AWILLIS957
do it all the time as kids, but we called it "chinging up", or said, "let's
ching up for it."
Now I realise that relates to its Chinese origin. I come from Cornwall, but I
see an echo of our usage in these, quoted by Bob Stahl:
>South London Ching-Chang-Cholly
>Enfield Chu-Chin-Chow
Another "Chinese" thing we had was the "Chinese Burn". I wonder where that came
from.
Albert Peasemarch.
Fabian
"david56" <bass.a...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Caps wrote:
> >
> > To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
> > Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
> > and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
> > also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
> > this?
> >
> > Personally I think this question ranks high in the level of
> > interestingness among all my recent questions
> > (Hahaha! self-amusement).
>
> Scissors, paper, stone in the UK.
While I at primary school, I remember reading a history book, purportedly
about life in pre-Roman Britain. This game was presented as one example of
what passes for fun, but the materials used were rock cloth knife.
Anyone know if the game actually was played in Britaqin that long ago?
--
--
Fabian
Hey! Don't write yourself off yet. It's only in your head you feel left
out or looked down on. Just try your best. Try everything you can.
Richard Fontana
A borrowing and renaming of the American "Indian burn", of course.
Richard Fontana
Did we ever determine why UK speakers don't like to use "rock" to refer to
a small stone, while US speakers do?
Richard Fontana
>
>"david56" <bass.a...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>news:3C6CC8A5...@ntlworld.com...
>> Caps wrote:
>> >
>> > To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
>> > Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
>> > and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
>> > also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
>> > this?
>> >
>> > Personally I think this question ranks high in the level of
>> > interestingness among all my recent questions
>> > (Hahaha! self-amusement).
>>
>> Scissors, paper, stone in the UK.
>
>While I at primary school, I remember reading a history book, purportedly
>about life in pre-Roman Britain. This game was presented as one example of
>what passes for fun, but the materials used were rock cloth knife.
>
>Anyone know if the game actually was played in Britaqin that long ago?
a1a, do you remember?
Mike Barnes
>To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
>Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
>and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
>also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
>this?
In my childhood in the UK it was scissors, rock, and paper.
--
Mike Barnes
-RZ
Oversizing, of course. American fists are so much larger.
Though when I was a child I played "Scissors paper stone." It was only as
I grew that I was able to move up "Rock paper scissors."
david56
UK "a rock" is much bigger than a stone and wouldn't easily be carried
or held. "Some rock" can be any size, of course.
Aaron Davies
I dunno about *why*, but a rock in the UK is the sort of thing that
tends to be capitalized over here--Plymouth Rock, Rock of Gibralter,
etc. It's at least boulder-sized, and usually a geographic feature.
--
Aaron Davies
aa...@avalon.pascal-central.com
sig coming Soon(tm)
N.Mitchum
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> To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
> Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
> and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
> also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
> this?
"Paper, rock, scissors" here in America. (Paper covers rock, rock
breaks scissors, scissors cut paper.) It's not really a popular
method of choosing anyone, though, except perhaps in a schoolyard.
-----
> Personally I think this question ranks high in the level of
> interestingness among all my recent questions
> (Hahaha! self-amusement).
>....
Watch out. You'll grow hair on your palms doing that!
----NM
J. J. Lodder
> Caps wrote:
> >
> > To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
> > Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
> > and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
> > also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
> > this?
> >
> > Personally I think this question ranks high in the level of
> > interestingness among all my recent questions
> > (Hahaha! self-amusement).
>
> Scissors, paper, stone in the UK.
And of course James Bond beats the Japanese at it,
Jan
J. J. Lodder
> "david56" <bass.a...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:3C6CC8A5...@ntlworld.com...
> > Caps wrote:
> > >
> > > To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
> > > Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
> > > and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
> > > also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
> > > this?
> > >
> > > Personally I think this question ranks high in the level of
> > > interestingness among all my recent questions
> > > (Hahaha! self-amusement).
> >
> > Scissors, paper, stone in the UK.
>
> While I at primary school, I remember reading a history book, purportedly
> about life in pre-Roman Britain. This game was presented as one example of
> what passes for fun, but the materials used were rock cloth knife.
>
> Anyone know if the game actually was played in Britaqin that long ago?
Certainly not: it is not in any of the Asterix books,
so Julius Caesar can't have known about it.
Jan
Ben Zimmer
Bob Stahl wrote:
>
> Variant names from Usenet (sci.lang.japan and elsewhere):
> Indonesia Hic-Haec-Hoc
[...]
> Variant objects:
[...]
> Indonesia Elephant Flea Mouse
> Earwig Man Elephant
> Ant Man Elephant
The "hic-haec-hoc" for Indonesia struck me as odd-- unless there's been
some previously undiscovered Roman influence in Southeast Asia! I
checked where that information might have come from and found this:
---------------
http://www.dnai.com/~jandp/rochamtrue.html
[Quoting "Children's Games in Street and Playground", by Iona and Peter
Opie:] "Similarly in Indonesia, a traveller has told us of her
astonishment at seeing children squatting in the shade playing the game
she remembered from her childhood in a north London suburb (she knew it
as 'Hic Haec Hoc', although in Indonesia the game is 'earwig, man,
elephant', the earwig overcoming the elephant by crawling through his
brain."
---------------
So "hic-haec-hoc" is the name of the game in some north London suburb
(cf. Croydon's "Ick-Ack-Ock"), not in Indonesia.
The Indonesian version has different hand gestures than "rock paper
scissors": the "earwig" or "ant" is represented by extending the little
finger, the "man" by extending the index finger, and the "elephant" by
extending the thumb. See: http://www.expat.or.id/info/games.html
--Ben
Robert Bannister
Stone, paper, scissors.
--
Rob Bannister
Bob Stahl
>....So "hic-haec-hoc" is the name of the game in some north
>London suburb (cf. Croydon's "Ick-Ack-Ock"), not in Indonesia....
I'll Rochambeau you for it.
Two out of three.
--
Bob Stahl
Earle Jones
Caps <Ca...@Lock.com> wrote:
> To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
> Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
> and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
> also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
> this?
>
*
In Japan it's "Jan, Ken, Pon". And in the case of a tie, the next line
is "Aiko desho".
earle
*
J. J. Lodder
Mark Brader
> Variant names from Usenet (sci.lang.japan and elsewhere):
> Japan Jan-Ken-Pon, Ishi-Ken, Choki-Pa-Gu, or Jan-Ken
> China Chai-Ken
> Philippines Diyak-en-Poi, or Jack-and-Poi
> Indonesia Hic-Haec-Hoc
> South London Ching-Chang-Cholly
> Enfield Chu-Chin-Chow
> Croydon Ick-Ack-Ock
> Lambeth Eee-Pas-Vous
Would that Pas-Vous there be pronounced something like French ("pah voo"),
or what?
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "... pure English is de rigueur"
m...@vex.net -- Guardian Weekly
Bruce Tober
Aaron Davies <aa...@avalon.pascal-central.com> writes
>Richard Fontana <rfon...@wesleyan.edu> wrote:
>
>I dunno about *why*, but a rock in the UK is the sort of thing that
>tends to be capitalized over here--Plymouth Rock, Rock of Gibralter,
>etc. It's at least boulder-sized, and usually a geographic feature.
Gee, whiz, and here was me thinking rock was always lower cased and
something you want, but don't get if you're on a diet.
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iwasaki
"Bob Stahl" <urbul...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Caps:
> > To decide who has the privilege to do or get something,
> > Chinese draw the winner using hand shapes of scissors, rock
> > and cloth. I've seen Americans doing the same. Are they
> > also called scissors, rock and cloth? Is there a name for
> > this?
>
> Rock-Paper-Scissors.
>
> Rochambeau was the name I knew in San Francisco; a 60-yr-old
> friend also knew it by this name in Chicago.
>
> Variant names from Usenet (sci.lang.japan and elsewhere):
> Japan Jan-Ken-Pon, Ishi-Ken, Choki-Pa-Gu, or Jan-Ken
The word order is always "Gu-Choki-Pa". "Gu" stands for stone,
"Choki" scissors, and "Pa" paper.
"Jan-Ken" or "Jan-Ken-Pon" is the commonest way to call it.
I haven't heard that it's called "Ishi-Ken", though my
dictionary have it.
> Variant objects:
> Japan/China Scissors Rock Cloth
It's "Paper" in Japan.
--
Nobuko Iwasaki