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Yilaner  
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 More options Feb 9, 8:40 am
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: Yilaner <yila...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 05:40:18 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Feb 9 2012 8:40 am
Subject: lay claim to
Elizabeth remains a largely revered figure and can lay
claim to be the most recognised woman on the planet.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

I find the usage of "lay claim to" in the sentence very
unconventional, because it's more often to find a noun
following the phrase. Do you think it's acceptable to use
it this way?


 
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Horace LaBadie  
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 More options Feb 9, 9:00 am
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From: Horace LaBadie <hwlabadi...@nospam.highstream.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:00:45 -0500
Local: Thurs, Feb 9 2012 9:00 am
Subject: Re: lay claim to
In article
<d28f5063-afd5-40af-a7b5-f2907dcb0...@b10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>,

 Yilaner <yila...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Elizabeth remains a largely revered figure and can lay
> claim to be the most recognised woman on the planet.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

> I find the usage of "lay claim to" in the sentence very
> unconventional, because it's more often to find a noun
> following the phrase. Do you think it's acceptable to use
> it this way?

I suppose that one would more commonly see "lay claim to the title of
Most Recognized Woman," but the phrase "lay claim to be(ing) the most,
etc" is not unusual.

 
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Steve Hayes  
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 More options Feb 9, 9:29 am
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From: Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:29:55 +0200
Local: Thurs, Feb 9 2012 9:29 am
Subject: Re: lay claim to

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 05:40:18 -0800 (PST), Yilaner <yila...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Elizabeth remains a largely revered figure and can lay
>claim to be the most recognised woman on the planet.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------

>I find the usage of "lay claim to" in the sentence very
>unconventional, because it's more often to find a noun
>following the phrase. Do you think it's acceptable to use
>it this way?

I don't see a problem with it.

I do, however, see a problem with "to be", which sticks out like an amputated
leg.

It should be "to being".

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Jerry Friedman  
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 More options Feb 9, 10:27 am
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From: Jerry Friedman <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:27:35 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Feb 9 2012 10:27 am
Subject: Re: lay claim to
On Feb 9, 6:40 am, Yilaner <yila...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Elizabeth remains a largely revered figure and can lay
> claim to be the most recognised woman on the planet.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

> I find the usage of "lay claim to" in the sentence very
> unconventional, because it's more often to find a noun
> following the phrase. Do you think it's acceptable to use
> it this way?

Not really.  "Lay claim to being" is the usual way.  Google Ngrams
surprised me, though, by laying a claim that "lay claim to be" was
more common until about 100 years ago and still exists.

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=lay+claim+to+be%2Clay+cl...

http://tinyurl.com/6uua3ef

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THE COLONEL  
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 More options Feb 9, 12:41 pm
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From: "THE COLONEL" <ts2-ggi...@asianprincess.net>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:41:51 -0800
Local: Thurs, Feb 9 2012 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: lay claim to
"Yilaner" <yila...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:d28f5063-afd5-40af-a7b5-f2907dcb0efa@b10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...

> Elizabeth remains a largely revered figure and can lay
> claim to be the most recognised woman on the planet.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

> I find the usage of "lay claim to" in the sentence very
> unconventional, because it's more often to find a noun
> following the phrase. Do you think it's acceptable to use
> it this way?

I HEREBY LAY CLAIM TO FIRST POST OF THE DAY!

 
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Harrison Hill  
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 More options Feb 9, 12:49 pm
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From: Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:49:48 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Feb 9 2012 12:49 pm
Subject: Re: lay claim to
On Feb 9, 5:41 pm, "THE COLONEL" <ts2-ggi...@asianprincess.net> wrote:

> "Yilaner" <yila...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:d28f5063-afd5-40af-a7b5-f2907dcb0efa@b10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...

> > Elizabeth remains a largely revered figure and can lay
> > claim to be the most recognised woman on the planet.
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------

> > I find the usage of "lay claim to" in the sentence very
> > unconventional, because it's more often to find a noun
> > following the phrase. Do you think it's acceptable to use
> > it this way?

> I HEREBY LAY CLAIM TO FIRST POST OF THE DAY!

You have already successfully "laid claim" to be the tosspot of the
year.

 
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Mark Brader  
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 More options Feb 9, 1:34 pm
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From: m...@vex.net (Mark Brader)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:34:46 -0600
Local: Thurs, Feb 9 2012 1:34 pm
Subject: Re: lay claim to
"Yilaner":

>> Elizabeth remains a largely revered figure and can lay
>> claim to be the most recognised woman on the planet.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------

>> I find the usage of "lay claim to" in the sentence very
>> unconventional, because it's more often to find a noun
>> following the phrase.

Steve Hayes:

> I don't see a problem with it.

> I do, however, see a problem with "to be"...
> It should be "to being".

Agreed.  But I think this was exactly Yilaner's point.  "Lay claim to"
doesn't work *with "be" following it*, as in the original.
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Toronto      |  stand for office.  Of course... once elected... [they]
m...@vex.net  |  neither run nor stand, they lie."     --John Cletheroe

 
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Robert Bannister  
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 More options Feb 9, 10:32 pm
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From: Robert Bannister <robb...@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:32:02 +0800
Local: Thurs, Feb 9 2012 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: lay claim to
On 9/02/12 9:40 PM, Yilaner wrote:

> Elizabeth remains a largely revered figure and can lay
> claim to be the most recognised woman on the planet.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

> I find the usage of "lay claim to" in the sentence very
> unconventional, because it's more often to find a noun
> following the phrase. Do you think it's acceptable to use
> it this way?

I'd have written "to being".

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