Tang
Rudi
Here the full text: "Tang. Buy it here, buy it there, just make shure you
buy it. If nothing else, simply because brown water never seems all that
refreshing; especially when you know where it came from."
--
jan_...@hotmail.com
Tang is a powder sold in the USA and perhaps elsewhere which, when
added to water, is supposed to taste like orange juice. Not very
successful.
Jan Sand
Pat Durkin
"Rudi" <rudi....@pi.be> wrote in message
news:akg580$a6r$1...@reader13.wxs.nl...
That is not really enough context for us to determine its meaning as it
is used.
Capitalized, the word "Tang" is, or was (may not be on the market now) a
dehydrated orange juice product, first developed for space travel, and
then commercially produced as a competitor for Kool-Aid and other
home-mixed soft drinks. I think a lemon juice product was also
produced.
It had the advantage of being "reinforceable with Vitamin C", back in
the '60s and '70s.
Non-capitalized form: tang refers to a sharp or acrid scent, a smell
that has a bite.
I have also seen the word written " 'tang ", as a contracted version of
(I think) "putain", Cajun or French epithet.
I think "tang" is also used for the 'tine' of a fork. Should look it
up, but... n-a-a-a-a-h.
John Seeliger
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Very thin orange juice. Can you buy it in space?
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John Seeliger
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> It had the advantage of being "reinforceable with Vitamin C", back in
> the '60s and '70s.
Just think. Had it been invented several centuries earlier, British sailors
might be called "Tangies".
I think I am beginning to move my periods outside the quotes like Skitt.
Rudi
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>
> "Rudi" <rudi....@pi.be> wrote in message
> news:akg580$a6r$1...@reader13.wxs.nl...
> > What is "tang" in the text below?
> >
> > Here the full text: "Tang. Buy it here, buy it there, just make shure
> you
> > buy it. If nothing else, simply because brown water never seems all
> that
> > refreshing; especially when you know where it came from."
>
> That is not really enough context for us to determine its meaning as it
> is used.
The text is from a list "what to do/buy" before and during an expedition in
Africa.
Thanks for your input.
K1912
[...]
>Non-capitalized form: tang refers to a sharp or acrid scent, a smell
>that has a bite.
That's poontang.
>I have also seen the word written " 'tang ", as a contracted version of
>(I think) "putain", Cajun or French epithet.
"Pootang" in Chicagoese.
jan_...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>Capitalized, the word "Tang" is, or was (may not be on the market now) a
>dehydrated orange juice product, first developed for space travel, and
>then commercially produced as a competitor for Kool-Aid and other
>home-mixed soft drinks. I think a lemon juice product was also
>produced.
From the flavor I would guess it is entirely synthetic.
Jan Sand
Tony Cooper
The reference is to a powdered product called Tang that is added to
water to give it the taste of orange juice. It does not really taste
like orange juice, but some prefer it to plain water.
The advice is very bad, in my opinion. They are suggesting that you add
this product to the water available to disguise the bad color and taste.
Tang, however, will do nothing to kill the wee beasties that live in the
water. Unless you intend to spend most of your trip sitting on the
toilet, drink only bottled water in any area where the water is
doubtful. In Kenya, the water used to wash the vegetables was enough to
cause problems by the third week.
--
Tony Cooper aka: Tony_Co...@Yahoo.com
Provider of Jots & Tittles
R H Draney
>
>I think "tang" is also used for the 'tine' of a fork. Should look it
>up, but... n-a-a-a-a-h.
Close...it's the part of a knife, file, or other implement embedded in the
handle....r
Spehro Pefhany
> Close...it's the part of a knife, file, or other implement embedded in the
> handle....r
It is, but each tine could also be called a tang. AH4 and my everyday
usage support this. Any prong-like object can be called a tang. I'd only
use "tine" for a fork or something that looks very much like a fork, but
AH4 says it also refers to a branch of a deer's antlers.
Capitalized, it would be the "space-age" crystals or the drink that
results from dissolving the crystals in water, or the dynasty. Grape Tang
was also available, and could be used to make a refreshing beverage called
a "Purple Jesus".
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Murray Arnow
> Pat Durkin wrote:
>
>>Non-capitalized form: tang refers to a sharp or acrid scent, a
>>smell that has a bite.
>
> That's poontang.
>
One reason I enjoy John Ciradi's etymological endeavors is where else can one
find a poetic image planted in a garden of monotony:
poontang [Sthrn < Fr. _poutaine_, whore, via Louisiana Fr. and its
corruption.] Variously, a woman as a sexual object, her cunt, the sexual act.
Spoken with a leering drawl by southerners in the army, “Ahm goin’ inta town
and ahm gonna git me some poooooon-tang,” it was probably the most lascivious
sound I have ever heard out of the mouth of man.
Spehro Pefhany
> One reason I enjoy John Ciradi's etymological endeavors is where else can one
> find a poetic image planted in a garden of monotony:
>
> poontang [Sthrn < Fr. _poutaine_, whore, via Louisiana Fr. and its
> corruption.] Variously, a woman as a sexual object, her cunt, the sexual act.
> Spoken with a leering drawl by southerners in the army, “Ahm goin’ inta town
> and ahm gonna git me some poooooon-tang,” it was probably the most lascivious
> sound I have ever heard out of the mouth of man.
I'm disappointed that _poutine_ seems to be unrelated. I'd like to think
that Quebecois ladies of the evening would grab a quick poutine during
their shift, much as their Italian counterparts might enjoy a pasta
Puttanesca.
R H Draney
says...
>
>Capitalized, it would be the "space-age" crystals or the drink that
>results from dissolving the crystals in water, or the dynasty. Grape Tang
>was also available, and could be used to make a refreshing beverage called
>a "Purple Jesus".
And then there's its enigmatic appearance in "The Witch Doctor" by Ross
Bagdasarian, performing as David Seville circa 1957-58...the context gives
little clue to its supposed meaning, but the narrator in the song seems
satisfied with the advice....r
GrapeApe
this product to the water available to disguise the bad color and taste.
Actually, I took the reference to Brown Water to be referring to Cola
beverages. The copy was suggesting Tang instead of soda.
GrapeApe
This is done by substituting for each letter, the letter that is 13
positions away from it in the alphabet. Many newsreaders can do this
automatically.
A unique property of "tang" is that it forms the same English word both
when spelled backwards and when ROT13'ed. No other word has this property.
-- >><BR><BR>
You need to get out more. Get you some tang or something.
Tony Cooper
news:20020827215534...@mb-ms.aol.com...
I've seen the water in one African country. It can be brown and lumpy.
I've seen gravy in truck stops that look more drinkable than some
African water.
Pat Durkin
"R H Draney" <dado...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:akgio...@drn.newsguy.com...
Of course. Thanks. I know I heard it just the other day in one of
those interminable infomercials.
>
Pat Durkin
"R H Draney" <dado...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:akgtp...@drn.newsguy.com...
You mean: Ting, Tang, Walla Walla Bing Bang.
David Seville, and not Dick Stabile? Did Seville do the chipmunks?
Steve Hayes
I'm in Africa and I've never heard of it.
--
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http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/steve.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Mike Oliver
> The advice is very bad, in my opinion. They are suggesting that you add
> this product to the water available to disguise the bad color and taste.
> Tang, however, will do nothing to kill the wee beasties that live in the
> water.
I think that is not entirely true. Many of the wee beasties cannot
tolerate high concentrations of sugar, and the citric and malic
acids may help as well.
Of course I'm not suggesting that this is by any means a *reliable*
way to disinfect water. But it may be somewhat better than nothing,
at least if you make the Tang strong.
Tony Cooper
news:3d6c3bcc...@news.saix.net...
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:04:01 +0200, "Rudi" <rudi....@pi.be> wrote:
>
> >"Pat Durkin" <p...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
> >news:umn7f2i...@corp.supernews.com...
> >>
> >> "Rudi" <rudi....@pi.be> wrote in message
> >> news:akg580$a6r$1...@reader13.wxs.nl...
> >> > What is "tang" in the text below?
> >> >
> >> > Here the full text: "Tang. Buy it here, buy it there, just make
shure
> >> you
> >> > buy it. If nothing else, simply because brown water never seems
all
> >> that
> >> > refreshing; especially when you know where it came from."
> >>
> >> That is not really enough context for us to determine its meaning
as it
> >> is used.
> >
> >The text is from a list "what to do/buy" before and during an
expedition in
> >Africa.
> >Thanks for your input.
>
> I'm in Africa and I've never heard of it.
The writer is mis-leading when he says "buy it there". It's brand name
for a type of product. The brand name may not be available in SA, but a
similar product probably is available. If you can purchase some product
that is a granular, concentrated powder that can be added to water
(maybe a teaspoon per glass) to give the water a fruit taste and a
different color, you have a similar product to Tang. If the product
makes the water orange colored, taste like a metal orange, and has
vitamins added to it....then you have a very, very similar product.
The point, as I read the post, that the water in parts of Africa is
brownish and has a bad taste. The water can be made more palatable with
a product like Tang. The municipal water of a city like Capetown is not
what's involved. It's the river water or shallow-well water one might
find in the remoter regions. The writer overlooks the fact that the
water in question contains bacteria that the European or American system
is not prepared to handle gracefully.
Tony Cooper
"Mike Oliver" <oli...@math.ucla.edu> wrote in message
news:3D6C4F34...@math.ucla.edu...
> Tony Cooper wrote:
>
> > The advice is very bad, in my opinion. They are suggesting that you
add
> > this product to the water available to disguise the bad color and
taste.
> > Tang, however, will do nothing to kill the wee beasties that live in
the
> > water.
>
> I think that is not entirely true. Many of the wee beasties cannot
> tolerate high concentrations of sugar, and the citric and malic
> acids may help as well.
Don't know about sugar, but the wee beasties are not fazed by alcohol.
The ice cubes getcha.
I've been there, done that, but had to use the tee shirt for other -
non-intended - purposes.
Tony Cooper
news:akhjb2$1i3nj5$1@ID-
It's the river water or shallow-well water one might
> find in the remoter regions.
The Considerate Reader will adjust the above to "the more remote
regions" or some such.
R H Draney
> "R H Draney" <dado...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:akgtp...@drn.newsguy.com...
>>
>> And then there's its enigmatic appearance in "The Witch Doctor"
>> by
> Ross
>> Bagdasarian, performing as David Seville circa 1957-58...the
>> context
> gives
>> little clue to its supposed meaning, but the narrator in the song
> seems
>> satisfied with the advice....r
>>
>
> You mean: Ting, Tang, Walla Walla Bing Bang.
>
> David Seville, and not Dick Stabile? Did Seville do the
> chipmunks?
Hmmm...wasn't familiar with Mr Stabile, who it seems was an orchestra
conductor for Dean Martin....
"David Seville" was indeed the nom-de-rodent of Ross Bagdasarian, who
had some minor success under his own name (co-writing Rosemary
Clooney's hit "Come On-A My House", for instance) before discovering
the lucrative possibilities of speeded-up tape recorders...Ross Sr
died in 1992, but his son Ross Bagdasarian Jr carries on his father's
legacy....
The full set of lyrics can be found at
http://www.geocities.com/ohtoad/WitchDoctor.html ....r
R H Draney
news:3d7117ee....@news.mia.bellsouth.net:
> A popular way of encoding text so that it's not easily readable is
> ROT13. This is done by substituting for each letter, the letter
> that is 13 positions away from it in the alphabet. Many
> newsreaders can do this automatically.
I believe the method was invented by Cheryl Purely, Pyrex Clerk....r
--
irk & vex, vex & irk
Mike Oliver
> "Mike Oliver" <oli...@math.ucla.edu> wrote in message
> news:3D6C4F34...@math.ucla.edu...
>> tolerate high concentrations of sugar, and the citric and malic
>> acids may help as well.
>
> Don't know about sugar, but the wee beasties are not fazed by alcohol.
> The ice cubes getcha.
Well, that's easily fixed. Don't use ice.
But as I said, I make no representation that putting Tang, or Scotch,
or both, in the water, will make you safe, with or without ice. But
they might make you saf*er*, at least marginally.
Rudi
news:3d6c3bcc...@news.saix.net...
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:04:01 +0200, "Rudi" <rudi....@pi.be> wrote:
>
> >"Pat Durkin" <p...@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
> >news:umn7f2i...@corp.supernews.com...
> >>
> >> "Rudi" <rudi....@pi.be> wrote in message
> >> news:akg580$a6r$1...@reader13.wxs.nl...
> >> > What is "tang" in the text below?
> >> >
> >> > Here the full text: "Tang. Buy it here, buy it there, just make shure
> >> you
> >> > buy it. If nothing else, simply because brown water never seems all
> >> that
> >> > refreshing; especially when you know where it came from."
> >>
> >> That is not really enough context for us to determine its meaning as
it
> >> is used.
> >
> >The text is from a list "what to do/buy" before and during an expedition
in
> >Africa.
> >Thanks for your input.
>
> I'm in Africa and I've never heard of it.
Ok search for yourself: http://www.angelfire.com/ab/overlander/ (the home
page under packing)
K1912
It just so happens when I was in the army I had basic training at Fort Polk,
Louisiana (1966). Ciradi is right on the money about the lascivious way
southerners in the army drawl "ahm gonna git me some pooooon-tang." Speaking
of a leering drawl reminds me of some barracks repartee. One night just after
lights out, about the third week into basic training, the conversation got
around to missing home and home cooking and mothers cooking favorite meals.
After a short lull, a guy from Ohio says, "I ... want ... my ... mama!" And
immediately a guy from Louisiana drawls, "Ah want your mamaaaaa, toooo."
George
Mike Lyle
> >
> > And then there's its enigmatic appearance in "The Witch Doctor" by
> Ross
> > Bagdasarian, performing as David Seville circa 1957-58...the context
> gives
> > little clue to its supposed meaning, but the narrator in the song
> seems
> > satisfied with the advice....r
> >
>
> You mean: Ting, Tang, Walla Walla Bing Bang.
>
> David Seville, and not Dick Stabile? Did Seville do the chipmunks?
Or, more fully: Oo ee, Oo ah ah, Ting, Tang, Wallawalla Bingbang.
Mike.
Charles Riggs
<tony_co...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Tony Cooper" <tony_co...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:akhjb2$1i3nj5$1@ID-
>
> It's the river water or shallow-well water one might
>> find in the remoter regions.
>
>The Considerate Reader will adjust the above to "the more remote
>regions" or some such.
I'd adjust it back to "remoter regions", and I'm as considerate as the
next guy.
Charles
Murray Arnow
>Murray wrote:
>
>>George wrote:
>>>
>>> That's poontang.
>>>
>>
>>One reason I enjoy John Ciradi's etymological endeavors is where else can one
>>
>>find a poetic image planted in a garden of monotony:
>>
>>poontang [Sthrn < Fr. _poutaine_, whore, via Louisiana Fr. and its
>>corruption.] Variously, a woman as a sexual object, her cunt, the sexual act.
>>
>>Spoken with a leering drawl by southerners in the army, “Ahm goin’ inta
>town
>>and ahm gonna git me some poooooon-tang,” it was probably the most
>lascivious
>>
>>sound I have ever heard out of the mouth of man.
>>
>It just so happens when I was in the army I had basic training at Fort Polk,
>Louisiana (1966). Ciradi is right on the money about the lascivious way
>southerners in the army drawl "ahm gonna git me some pooooon-tang." Speaking
>of a leering drawl reminds me of some barracks repartee. One night just after
>lights out, about the third week into basic training, the conversation got
>around to missing home and home cooking and mothers cooking favorite meals.
>After a short lull, a guy from Ohio says, "I ... want ... my ... mama!" And
>immediately a guy from Louisiana drawls, "Ah want your mamaaaaa, toooo."
>
Before my dyslexic spelling propagates further, it's "Ciardi." George, how did
all those foreign looking characters get into your post?
R H Draney
news:8sdpmuofsa4dfnf42...@4ax.com:
Considerater, even....r
N.S.D
>[snip]
>A unique property of "tang" is that it forms the same English word both
>when spelled backwards and when ROT13'ed. No other word has this property.
But wouldn't "gnat" have the same property? (or is that just too
redundant?)
- Naomi D.
R J Valentine
} "Tony Cooper" <tony_co...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
} news:akhjb2$1i3nj5$1@ID-
}
} It's the river water or shallow-well water one might
}> find in the remoter regions.
}
} The Considerate Reader will adjust the above to "the more remote
} regions" or some such.
I had already adjusted it to "shallower-well water", but then I got to
wondering what ordinary riv water was like, so I suppose that makes me an
Inconsiderate Reader.
--
R. J. Valentine <mailto:r...@smart.net>
mickwick
>Tony Cooper wrote:
>> "Mike Oliver" <oli...@math.ucla.edu> wrote in message
>>> I think that is not entirely true. Many of the wee beasties cannot
>>> tolerate high concentrations of sugar, and the citric and malic
>>> acids may help as well.
>>
>> Don't know about sugar, but the wee beasties are not fazed by alcohol.
>> The ice cubes getcha.
>
>Well, that's easily fixed. Don't use ice.
>
>But as I said, I make no representation that putting Tang, or Scotch,
>or both, in the water, will make you safe, with or without ice. But
>they might make you saf*er*, at least marginally.
The real point - the reason for the recommendation - is surely that
muddy water that's been boiled will still taste like muddy water whereas
Tanged, boiled, muddy water will taste more of Tang than it does of mud
(assuming there's a difference: I've haven't tried Tang).
Also, Tang presumably disguises the taste of chlorine, iodine etc.
Though why anyone would want to drink muddy Tang or muddy iodine-
flavoured Tang when strong muddy tea is just as easy, I couldn't say.
--
Mickwick
Tony Cooper
"R J Valentine" <r...@smart.net> wrote in message
news:umq8id8...@corp.supernews.com...
I'm not sure I follow this, but if you are questioning "shallow-well
water", then I question your questioning. Shallow-well water is - to
me - a perfectly acceptable term. The area that I live in is not hooked
up to municipally supplied water. I have a well for house water. I
don't, but some neighbors also have a shallow-well to provide water for
lawn irrigation. I suppose you might call a non-shallow-well a
deep-well, but the word "well" is taken for deep in this area.
Shallow-well water contains more iron (in this area) and other non-tasty
things. It smells of rotten eggs. A shallow-well (here) is 25 feet or
so deep. My regular well is 75 feet deep, but I should have had it
taken to 100 or 150. I still have to treat the water.
In areas like Kenya, where well drilling equipment is scarce or
expensive, shallow-wells are the norm and they are widely scattered.
It's common to see women walking miles carrying various containers to
bring back water to their compounds. We were told that one of the
reasons a Kenyan villager will have several wives is so one or more can
be delegated to water carrying.
Wives are purchased, and a wife is cheaper than a well.
As far a river water is concerned, the rivers are full of hippos. Big
animals. It's hard to filter the hippo shit from the water.
Steve Hayes
wrote:
>> >The text is from a list "what to do/buy" before and during an
>expedition in
>> >Africa.
>> >Thanks for your input.
>>
>> I'm in Africa and I've never heard of it.
>
>The writer is mis-leading when he says "buy it there". It's brand name
>for a type of product. The brand name may not be available in SA, but a
>similar product probably is available. If you can purchase some product
>that is a granular, concentrated powder that can be added to water
>(maybe a teaspoon per glass) to give the water a fruit taste and a
>different color, you have a similar product to Tang. If the product
>makes the water orange colored, taste like a metal orange, and has
>vitamins added to it....then you have a very, very similar product.
>
>The point, as I read the post, that the water in parts of Africa is
>brownish and has a bad taste. The water can be made more palatable with
>a product like Tang. The municipal water of a city like Capetown is not
>what's involved. It's the river water or shallow-well water one might
>find in the remoter regions. The writer overlooks the fact that the
>water in question contains bacteria that the European or American system
>is not prepared to handle gracefully.
Equivalent products sold here are Kool-Aid or Game, though I haven't seen
either for years. They seem to have gone out of fashion.
Tony Cooper
seen
> either for years. They seem to have gone out of fashion.
Kool-Aid is close, but so full of sugar that it could be considered
harmful. I don't think Tang has sugar in it, or - at least - as much
sugar. Tang also has Vitamin C added.
Dunno about "Game". Dunno if I want to drink something gamy.
But, you're on the right track.
John Varela
wrote:
> Kool-Aid is close, but so full of sugar that it could be considered
> harmful.
Really. Real Kool-Aid, such was was made when I was a boy, contained no
sugar. It was bitter. I think somewhat later they added some artificial
sweeteener to at least some versions of Kool-Aid. Are you sure it's sugar?
--
John Varela
Tony Cooper
news:NKQS2gVdCOMx-pn2-
>
> > Kool-Aid is close, but so full of sugar that it could be considered
> > harmful.
>
> Really. Real Kool-Aid, such was was made when I was a boy, contained
no
> sugar. It was bitter. I think somewhat later they added some
artificial
> sweeteener to at least some versions of Kool-Aid. Are you sure it's
sugar?
I don't have any around the house to check, but this from the web:
"You are correct in stating that pop has a lot of sugar, but so does
KoolAid. Most carbonated sugar-containing beverages contain 9 teaspoons
of sugar per 12-ounce can. Depending on how much sugar you add (3/4 to
one cup of sugar), to a package of KoolAid, 12 ounces of KoolAid can
contain between 6.7 and 9 teaspoons of sugar respectively. KoolAid does
have added vitamin C, which may be seem like a redeeming factor for some
parents though I disagree."
It's been years since I've even seen a Kool-Aid package. I do know the
Kool-Aid I drank as a kid had real sugar in it. I don't know if my mom
mixed it that way, or it came that way. I know my wife refused to allow
our children to drink Kool-Aid at home. She made fruit drinks out of
real juices mixed with water. The kids loved to go over to the
neighbors for the real stuff. Good thing Jim Jones wasn't a neighbor.
GrapeApe
sugar. It was bitter. I think somewhat later they added some artificial
sweeteener to at least some versions of Kool-Aid. Are you sure it's sugar?
Kool-Aid started marketing presweetened versions, either with sugar added, or
artificial sweetener.
Quite a bit heavier with the sugar.
Peter Moylan
> The real point - the reason for the recommendation - is surely that
> muddy water that's been boiled will still taste like muddy water whereas
> Tanged, boiled, muddy water will taste more of Tang than it does of mud
> (assuming there's a difference: I've haven't tried Tang).
Then take my word for it: mud tastes better.
However, someone earlier in the thread suggested Scotch, and that
does taste better than mud. Perhaps Tang is a code-word.
--
Peter Moylan pe...@ee.newcastle.edu.au
http://eepjm.newcastle.edu.au
Howard G Walker
Customer: "Just a tang."
Pat Durkin wrote:
> "Rudi" <rudi....@pi.be> wrote in message
> news:akg580$a6r$1...@reader13.wxs.nl...
> > What is "tang" in the text below?
> >
> > Here the full text: "Tang. Buy it here, buy it there, just make shure
> you
> > buy it. If nothing else, simply because brown water never seems all
> that
> > refreshing; especially when you know where it came from."
>
> That is not really enough context for us to determine its meaning as it
> is used.
> Capitalized, the word "Tang" is, or was (may not be on the market now) a
> dehydrated orange juice product, first developed for space travel, and
> then commercially produced as a competitor for Kool-Aid and other
> home-mixed soft drinks. I think a lemon juice product was also
> produced.
>
> It had the advantage of being "reinforceable with Vitamin C", back in
> the '60s and '70s.
>
> Non-capitalized form: tang refers to a sharp or acrid scent, a smell
> that has a bite.
> I have also seen the word written " 'tang ", as a contracted version of
> (I think) "putain", Cajun or French epithet.
"Pu-tang" is understood by any old soldier:
SGT: "Where ya goin' on yer pass, Private?"
PVT: "To the 'Black Kat' to git a lit'l pu-tang."
[Chinese, maybe?]
Mike Lyle
Howard, it's good to see you in something like propria persona; but
we're going to have to do something about your news server.
Mike.