how to say bye in a formal letter
Christian
How do you end a formal letter?
I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
I think it sounds stange?).
If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
Yours faithfully,
Christian
Denmark, Europe
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http://zzz.ninja.dk (in Danish)
Mitch Poplack
Christian wrote:
> How do you end a formal letter?
>
> I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
> strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
> I think it sounds stange?).
>
> If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
> have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
>
> So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
I don't think there is a Right Way. I would usually use "Sincerely,"
because it is unoffensive but you can really use any adverb you want
which describes your state while writing the letter or how you want the
reader to perceive you. If you don't like this you can close with
something else, like just "Thank you". Sometimes I use an entire
sentence, for example, "Thank you for your time". I also seem to notice
a growing trend, particularly in email, where people just write their
name without a traditionally close. You can probably get away with this
too.
Mitch
P.S. see?
Skitt
Mitch Poplack <pop...@stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:36DAE33D...@stanford.edu...
>I would usually use "Sincerely,"
>because it is unoffensive but you can really use any adverb you want
>which describes your state while writing the letter or how you want the
>reader to perceive you.
Minor point -- there are the words "unoffending" and "inoffensive", but
there is no "unoffensive".
--
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Central Florida CAUTION: My opinion may vary.
Mitch Poplack
Skitt wrote:
> Minor point -- there are the words "unoffending" and "inoffensive", but
> there is no "unoffensive".
Thanks for patronizing me. Isn't it great that half the traffic on this
news group is nitpicks. Sometimes I think I should reread five times before
posting, but who has the time?
khann
>
> Hi,
>
> How do you end a formal letter?
>
> I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
> strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
> I think it sounds stange?).
>
> If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
> have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
>
> So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
>
> Christian
> Denmark, Europe
The choice of closure depends largely on the subject of your letter, the
recipient of your letter, your relationship with the recipient, and
current regional usage. If you're writing to the Queen of the UK you
might wish to choose an extremely formal closure such as "I remain Your
Majesty's obedient servant". If writing to the local council the
closure will be understandably less formal.
"Yours faithfully" -- Oxford English would have us believe that this
form should be used to close a letter bearing a salutation such as "Dear
Sir/Madam"; prescribes "Yours sincerely" for letters bearing the
salutation "Dear Mr/Ms/Mrs Whatever"; and informs us that "Yours truly"
has gone out of vogue. This advice may be useful in the UK but it is not
valid in most places in North America. In Canada and the US "Yours
sincerely" or "Sincerely" are the most common closures; "Yours truly"
can also be used but many would consider it to be less formal.
If you want to drag faith into the matter and you happen to be writing
to a clergyman of your own religion you could close with "Yours in
Faith"; or if you're informing your wife of the fact that you've run off
to Corfu with a seventeen year old bimbette you could close with
"Faithlessly yours" -- rather different implications.
"Regards" would be considered to be informal everywhere, no better than
As ever,
Khann
khann
>
> Mitch Poplack <pop...@stanford.edu> wrote in message
> news:36DAE33D...@stanford.edu...
>
> >I would usually use "Sincerely,"
> >because it is unoffensive but you can really use any adverb you want
> >which describes your state while writing the letter or how you want the
> >reader to perceive you.
>
> there is no "unoffensive".
Picky, picky, picky!
But you didn't comment on "a traditionally close". My question is: a
traditionally close what? Is it illegal to omit it? Is that why he
commented that you can probably get away with it? If illegal, is it a
misdemeanour offense or a moving violation? If you get caught will Ken
Starr want to talk to you about possible White House involvement? The
bind moggles at the vast range of implications.
Lars Eighner
the lovely and talented chri...@ninja.dk.REMOVE_THIS (Christian)
broadcast on alt.usage.english:
|Hi,
|
|How do you end a formal letter?
Yours truly,
is safe in all circumstances, at least in the US. This is
a matter of form. The words are not supposed to be interpreted.
This is rather similar to "How do you do?" which is the formal
thing to say when you are introduced to someone. It is not
really a question and a response as to how you do is not wanted.
When you stick to the form, you minimize the chances of someone
stopping to wonder what you meant by something.
|I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
|strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
|I think it sounds stange?).
Yours faithfully,
is not a common close in America. The further you depart from
the form, the more you increase the chances of someone trying
to interpret literally or of being unsure what you meant.
"Yours faithfully," is close enough to the form that it would
probably pass unnoticed by most people.
|If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
|have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
"Sincerely" is supposed to be used with somewhat less formal letters,
such as letter to a school chum conveying personal news. Many
Americans, however, don't know the difference and use "Yours
truly" and "Sincerely" interchangeably. "Regards," is not very
common; "Warm regards" is useful for answering fan mail.
|So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
For letters to the US, stick with "Yours truly" for business
matters and letters addressed to people you do not know personally.
--
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Murray Arnow
> Skitt wrote:
>> Minor point -- there are the words "unoffending" and "inoffensive", but
>> there is no "unoffensive".
> Thanks for patronizing me. Isn't it great that half the traffic on this
> news group is nitpicks. Sometimes I think I should reread five times before
> posting, but who has the time?
Posting here ya takes yer chances, particularly if you don't read the FAQ.
Mitch Poplack
Murray Arnow wrote:
> Posting here ya takes yer chances, particularly if you don't read the FAQ.
I know, I know.... Would you buy that U is next to I on the keyboard?
Mitch
Dan Scorpio
'Yours Faithfully' is correct in UK business letters.
Gary Williams
eig...@io.com wrote:
> For letters to the US, stick with "Yours truly" for business
> matters and letters addressed to people you do not know personally.
Whatever happened to "Very truly yours"?
Gary Williams
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M.J.Powell
<pop...@stanford.edu> writes
>
>
>Murray Arnow wrote:
>
>> Posting here ya takes yer chances, particularly if you don't read the FAQ.
>
>I know, I know.... Would you buy that U is next to I on the keyboard?
Trevor Smithson
Actually "Sincerely" and "Regards" are perfectly ok for formal
letters. And if I ever wrote a personal letter to a family member
or close friend and ended with those endings, they'd probably
wonder what was wrong with me and why I'd become so
aloof.
Bye/Farvel,
Trevor
BTW "Yours Faithfully" sounds strange to me too.
On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:28:41 GMT, chri...@ninja.dk.REMOVE_THIS
(Christian) wrote:
>Hi,
>
>How do you end a formal letter?
>
>I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
>strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
>I think it sounds stange?).
>
>If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
>have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
>
>So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
>
Joseph C Fineman
>How do you end a formal letter?
>I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
>strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
>I think it sounds stange?).
>If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
>have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
What I was taught in school (U.S., 1940s) was that "Yours truly" is
standard for business & other formal letters, and "Sincerely yours"
for personal letters to those with whom you are not intimate enough
for "Love", "All the best", or whatever. Accordingly, I would make it
"Yours truly" in an ordinary business letter (say, an order).
However, in dealing with my customers (I am a freelance copyeditor), I
prefer "Yours faithfully".
--- Joe Fineman j...@world.std.com
||: Love like Matter is much :||
||: Odder than we thought. :||
Skitt
khann wrote in message <36DAF3...@hitchhiker.ca>...
>Skitt wrote:
>>
>> Mitch Poplack <pop...@stanford.edu> wrote in message
>> news:36DAE33D...@stanford.edu...
>>
>> >I would usually use "Sincerely,"
>> >because it is unoffensive but you can really use any adverb you want
>> >which describes your state while writing the letter or how you want
the
>> >reader to perceive you.
>>
but
>> there is no "unoffensive".
>
>
>But you didn't comment on "a traditionally close". My question is: a
>traditionally close what? Is it illegal to omit it? Is that why he
>commented that you can probably get away with it? If illegal, is it a
>misdemeanour offense or a moving violation? If you get caught will Ken
>Starr want to talk to you about possible White House involvement? The
>bind moggles at the vast range of implications.
That one was so obvious that I missed it. <g>
(I must have mentally supplied the right words. Either that, or I no
longer cared.)
--
Skitt http://come.to/skitt/
If you are posting a reply, please, do not email it. It just confuses
me.
Mitch Poplack
Skitt wrote:
> khann wrote in message <36DAF3...@hitchhiker.ca>...
> >But you didn't comment on "a traditionally close". My question is: a
> That one was so obvious that I missed it. <g>
>
> (I must have mentally supplied the right words. Either that, or I no
> longer cared.)
OK, I'm not too proud to say you are right. I have a terrible tendency to
type words I'm not thinking (because my fingers don't understand language).
Then I reread the same way because I already know what I meant to say. From
now on, I will get out my trusty text-to-speech program before posting to
this (tough) crowd.
Back on topic, I sign this post:
With embarrassment,
Mitch Poplack
Richard Fontana
> Hi,
>
> How do you end a formal letter?
>
> I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
> strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
> I think it sounds stange?).
>
> If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
> have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
>
> So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
In the US, "Sincerely yours" or "Sincerely" are most commonly used for
formal letters. "Very truly yours" is occasionally seen, and shows more
respect and deference (Lawyers often use this in
formal correspondence with judges).
"Regards" is more informal, and one is more likely to see it as the
closing of a telex message, or an e-mail message, than in a letter.
Even in those contexts "Regards" is not commonly used by Americans, other
than Anglophiles, but "Best regards" is quite common. I'm not sure if it
would be appropriate to close a letter with "Best regards", without
something further. I say this because I once looked into the matter
several years ago and forgot what the answer was (it was after I
received a letter from a college professor that closed with "Best
regards.") There are lots of books on
writing style and that sort of thing out there which you could consult.
I think "Yours faithfully" is in the linguistic ash-heap along with such
items as "Your obedient servant".
RF
snews
spelling and grammar tools, and still must hope for the best when posting to
this group... but that's the risk one must take to converse with such lofty
minds!
;^P
Mitch Poplack wrote in message <36DAF0B4...@stanford.edu>...
>
>
>Skitt wrote:
>
>> Minor point -- there are the words "unoffending" and "inoffensive", but
>> there is no "unoffensive".
>
snews
off with:
Yours,
It's not accurate, in that since the letter is a formal letter, I'm not
really theirs. But "Yours truly", and "Sincerely" and the others that have
been mentioned sound too stilted to suit my style.
Christian wrote in message <36daca83...@news.inet.tele.dk>...
>Hi,
>
>How do you end a formal letter?
>
>I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
>strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
>I think it sounds stange?).
>
>If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
>have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
>
>So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
>
>Yours faithfully,
>Christian
>Denmark, Europe
>
TJ
>
> I understand the sentiment. It's a risky forum. You need a full arsenal of
> spelling and grammar tools, and still must hope for the best when posting to
> this group... but that's the risk one must take to converse with such lofty
> minds!
Heck, you might even learn something.
tj
A. Farrell
Christian wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How do you end a formal letter?
>
> I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
> strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
> I think it sounds stange?).
>
> If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
> have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
>
> So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
>
"Yours faithfully" for a business letter; "yours sincerely", or simply,
"sincerely" for one more personal in tone (but not necessarily one where
the recipient is known to you); and "yours truly" for a genuinely
personal letter. These are conventions generally agreed upon and ought to
be used, lest something much less appropriate and embarrassingly
idiosyncratic be chosen instead. For instance, a young women finished a
post on another NG some months ago with "love from". Clearly such a
complimentary ending is ridiculous when addressed to a vast and
amorphous group of unknown people.
In my view, expressions like "regards" , "cheers" and "love" belong to
rather more informal correspondence but should still be chosen with
regard to their appropriateness. For instance, can I really send loving
greetings to that person; or would "best regards" be better.
Finally, notwithstanding the tendency towards an extreme informality in
email (which is *not* part of the original enquiry I realise), I think
that questions of appropriate tone and formality -- especially as
signalled by the complimentary opening and closing -- are still of great
importance for those who wish to be genuinely polite and have some
influence upon the recipient.
Cheers,
AF.
Ranjit Mathews
> Hi,
>
> How do you end a formal letter?
>
> I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
> strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
> I think it sounds stange?).
>
> If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
> have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
>
> So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
If you address a person by name with a formal salutation such as "Dear
Mr. Christian", end the letter with "Yours sincerely". If you start with
"Dear Sir / Madam", end the letter with "Yours truly" or "Yours
faithfully".
If you want to suck up to the addressee, you could say, "begging to be
your most humble servant", but this is rather archaic :-)
John Kilburn
>
>How do you end a formal letter?
was taught (in England) which I still use very happily is ...
If I begin the letter with someone's name, e.g. 'Dear Miss Smith' I end it
'Yours truly'. If I begin it 'Dear sir or Madam' I end it 'Yours
faithfully'.
j.k.
John Kilburn
Dan Scorpio wrote in message <7beug4$svb$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
>
>'Yours Faithfully' is correct in UK business letters.
>
was doing national service (conscription) in 1950's Britain I was taught to
end any letter to a superior officer ...
'I have the honour to be, Sir, your obedient servant' ...
Those were the days.
j.k.
Mike Barnes
>
>
>Skitt wrote:
>
>> Minor point -- there are the words "unoffending" and "inoffensive", but
>> there is no "unoffensive".
>
>Thanks for patronizing me.
Actually you've not been patronised, you've been *Skitted*. It's an urge that
he apparently finds difficult to control.
Yr. humble & obt. servt.
Mike
--
-- Mike Barnes, Stockport, England.
-- If you post a response to Usenet, please *don't* send me a copy by e-mail.
Truly Donovan
wrote:
>In our last episode <36daca83...@news.inet.tele.dk>,
>the lovely and talented chri...@ninja.dk.REMOVE_THIS (Christian)
>broadcast on alt.usage.english:
>|Hi,
>|
>|How do you end a formal letter?
>
>Yours truly,
>
>is safe in all circumstances, at least in the US.
For some people.
I use "Sincerely."
--
Truly Donovan
reply to truly at lunemere dot com
John Holmes
Skitt wrote in message <7bepgv$c2...@svlss.lmms.lmco.com>...
>Minor point -- there are the words "unoffending" and "inoffensive", but
>there is no "unoffensive".
That's a dangerously categorical statement. I found it in two
dictionaries.
Regards,
John.
hol...@smart.net.au
My newsfeed has been very erratic lately.
I'd appreciate e-mail copies of any replies.
John Davies
<afar...@trump.net.au> writes
>
>
>Christian wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> How do you end a formal letter?
>>
>> strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
>> I think it sounds stange?).
>>
>> If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
>> have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
>>
>>
>
>"Yours faithfully" for a business letter; "yours sincerely", or simply,
>"sincerely" for one more personal in tone (but not necessarily one where
>the recipient is known to you); and "yours truly" for a genuinely
>personal letter. These are conventions generally agreed upon and ought to
>be used, lest something much less appropriate and embarrassingly
>idiosyncratic be chosen instead.
It is worth adding that the foregoing applies to British (and I assume
also Australian) convention, which differs, as other messages have
already shown, from the norm in the USA. The simple rule of thumb that
most British business and official correspondents adopt is that if a
letter starts "Dear Sir" (or "Dear Madam") then it ends with "Yours
faithfully", whilst if it starts with "Dear Mr Smith" the end is "Yours
sincerely". If you are on first name terms with your correspondent then
you are free to sign off pretty much as you please. "Sincerely yours"
and similar inversions are relatively uncommon in British usage.
--
John Davies (jo...@redwoods.demon.co.uk)
M.J.Powell
<will...@ahec.edu> writes
>In article <X7t22AwZ...@io.com>,
> eig...@io.com wrote:
>
> > For letters to the US, stick with "Yours truly" for business
>> matters and letters addressed to people you do not know personally.
>
>
>Whatever happened to "Very truly yours"?
UK usage seems to be:
If you start 'Dear Mr. Smith' then finish with 'Yours sincerely'
" " " 'Dear Sir' " " " ' Yours faithfully'.
--
Mike The life that I have
Is all that I have
And the life that I have
Is yours.
M.J.Powell
<j...@kilburnj.freeserve.co.uk> writes
Oh Yes!
>j.k.
Skitt
snews <stop...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ljHC2.474$ZF1...@newsr2.twcny.rr.com...
[I rearranged the posts in the proper order]
>Christian wrote in message <36daca83...@news.inet.tele.dk>...
>>Hi,
>>
>>How do you end a formal letter?
>>
>>I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
>>strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
>>I think it sounds stange?).
>>
>>If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
>>have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
>>
>>So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
>>
>>Yours faithfully,
>>Christian
>>Denmark, Europe
>While I'm sure it's not proper, I've adopted the practice of simply
signing
>off with:
>
> Yours,
>
>It's not accurate, in that since the letter is a formal letter, I'm not
>really theirs. But "Yours truly", and "Sincerely" and the others that
have
>been mentioned sound too stilted to suit my style.
>
I also don't feel that I am someone's something, but I *do* try to be
sincere in my business dealings. I end my business letters with
"Sincerely," and my friends get whatever the mood strikes me to say at
the time.
Cheers!
--
Skitt http://i.am/skitt/
Central Florida CAUTION: My opinion may vary.
khann
> Skitt wrote:
> > khann wrote:
> > >But you didn't comment on "a traditionally close" ...
> > That one was so obvious that I missed it. <g> ...
> OK, I'm not too proud to say you are right ...
> Back on topic, I sign this post:
> With embarrassment,
Don't be embarassed. Think of yourself as a content provider or an
e-social animator. If it weren't for the typos, unintentional
malapropisms, and counter-troll posts most of the truly entertaining
traffic would be missing from a.u.e.
Skitt
John Holmes <hol...@smart.net.au> wrote in message
news:7bgj9f$p3k$2...@perki.connect.com.au...
>
>Skitt wrote in message <7bepgv$c2...@svlss.lmms.lmco.com>...
>
>
>>Minor point -- there are the words "unoffending" and "inoffensive", but
>>there is no "unoffensive".
>
>That's a dangerously categorical statement. I found it in two
>dictionaries.
Yeah. I guess, I was too categorical. Sorry. I was relying on my own
experience and the support of only a few dictionaries. It was not very
wise in not consulting the unabridged ones.
Skitt
Mike Barnes <mi...@exodus.co.uk> wrote in message
news:IXubSeAW...@exodus.u-net.com...
but
>>> there is no "unoffensive".
>>
>
>Actually you've not been patronised, you've been *Skitted*. It's an
urge that
>he apparently finds difficult to control.
Yup. I admit it. That is why I post only to this NG. I am actually trying
to improve my usage of English.
Gary Williams
tr...@lunemere.com wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:39:19 -0600, eig...@io.com (Lars Eighner)
> wrote:
> >Yours truly,
> >
> >is safe in all circumstances, at least in the US.
>
> For some people.
>
> I use "Sincerely."
Once again the dangers of generalization are demonstrated.
But could you make it work by putting the comma after the first word instead
of after the second?
Mitch Poplack
Skitt wrote:
> John Holmes <hol...@smart.net.au> wrote in message
>
> >That's a dangerously categorical statement. I found it [unoffensive] in
> two
> >dictionaries.
>
> Yeah. I guess, I was too categorical. Sorry. I was relying on my own
> experience and the support of only a few dictionaries. It was not very
> wise in not consulting the unabridged ones.
Ha! I guess we are even now. And by the way, it takes a lot to get me to
use and exclamation point and start a sentence with "and".
Mitch
Ross Howard
wrote:
>chri...@ninja.dk.REMOVE_THIS (Christian) writes:
>
>>How do you end a formal letter?
>
>>I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
>>strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
>>I think it sounds stange?).
>
>>If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
>>have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
>
>What I was taught in school (U.S., 1940s) was that "Yours truly" is
>standard for business & other formal letters, and "Sincerely yours"
>for personal letters to those with whom you are not intimate enough
>for "Love", "All the best", or whatever. Accordingly, I would make it
>"Yours truly" in an ordinary business letter (say, an order).
>However, in dealing with my customers (I am a freelance copyeditor), I
>prefer "Yours faithfully".
Interesting. That would generally be considered to be too formal for
most supplier/customer[1] correspondence in the UK (except for spec
letters to as-yet-unknown recipients or formula invoice-chasing stuff
to accounts departments).
As other Brit posters have no doubt mentioned by now, how we finish
depends almost entirely on how we started -- "Dear Sir" or "Dear Sir
or Madam" gets a "Yours faithfully", "Dear Mr Smith" gets a "Yours
sincerely", and "Dear John" will probably be paired up with "Regards"
or "Best regards".
[1. Do you really call the people you provide copy-editing services
for your "customers"? I think most right-pond writers and editors
would call them "clients", since what's being sold is a professional
service rather than goods or materials.]
Ross H.
Peter Moylan
And "Yours sincerely" in personal letters. I had trouble with this
for a long time, but I've finally figured out the logic.
In a business letter, you want to avoid saying whether you're sincere.
When writing a personal letter, it's more important to avoid saying
whether you've been faithful.
--
Peter Moylan pe...@ee.newcastle.edu.au
Brian J Goggin
Howard) wrote:
[...]
>[1. Do you really call the people you provide copy-editing services
>for your "customers"? I think most right-pond writers and editors
>would call them "clients", since what's being sold is a professional
>service rather than goods or materials.]
"Punters" or "those goddam nuisances" ....
Customers is customers; even rent-seekers have 'em.
bjg
James Follett
>Yup. I admit it. That is why I post only to this NG. I am actually trying
>to improve my usage of English.
If that's quantitive, you mean you're trying to use more English?
Have a heart, Alec, you've already elevated gabbiness to an artform.
What more do you want?
--
James Follett -- novelist http://www.davew.demon.co.uk
Truly Donovan
wrote:
>In article <36ddcccc...@news3.ibm.net>,
> tr...@lunemere.com wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 12:39:19 -0600, eig...@io.com (Lars Eighner)
>> wrote:
>
>> >Yours truly,
>> >
>> >is safe in all circumstances, at least in the US.
>>
>> For some people.
>>
>> I use "Sincerely."
>
>Once again the dangers of generalization are demonstrated.
>
>But could you make it work by putting the comma after the first word instead
>of after the second?
I abandoned that practice at about age 12.
a1a5...@bc.sympatico.ca
wrote:
>Truly Donovan
That is indeed the age at which the female of the species begins
to recognise all the possible implications of "Yours".
Joseph C Fineman
>[1. Do you really call the people you provide copy-editing services
>for your "customers"? I think most right-pond writers and editors
>would call them "clients", since what's being sold is a professional
>service rather than goods or materials.]
I think, in fact, that most U.S. copyeditors would agree with you; but
"client" sounds pompous to me, at least in casual conversation -- as
if I were pretending to be a lawyer. Similarly, I snigger whenever I
hear a budding journalist or politician called an "intern"; in my
book, hospitals have interns, and everybody else has apprentices. But
remember, I am an ornery 61.
--- Joe Fineman j...@world.std.com
||: What is almost sure to happen can still take forever on :||
||: average. :||
Robert Lieblich
<snip>
> I think, in fact, that most U.S. copyeditors would agree with you; but
> "client" sounds pompous to me, at least in casual conversation -- as
> if I were pretending to be a lawyer. Similarly, I snigger whenever I
> hear a budding journalist or politician called an "intern"; in my
> book, hospitals have interns, and everybody else has apprentices. But
> remember, I am an ornery 61.
The first year physician in the family reports that current practice in
the US is to combine medical internship and residency into a single term
of several years (depending on specialty), all of which (including first
year out of med school) is a "residency." She says "intern" isn't used
even as slang for a first-year resident, at least not where she is a
resident.
Not that ER is authoritative in this matter, but I think it follows the
same practice.
This leaves the term "intern" free for the monicas (generic use, no
caps) of this world.
Bob Lieblich
Ranjit Mathews
> Christian wrote in message <36daca83...@news.inet.tele.dk>...
> >Hi,
> >
> >How do you end a formal letter?
> As ever, I suppose I can be accused of being old-fashioned, but the usage I
> was taught (in England) which I still use very happily is ...
> If I begin the letter with someone's name, e.g. 'Dear Miss Smith' I end it
> 'Yours truly'. If I begin it 'Dear sir or Madam' I end it 'Yours
> faithfully'.
> j.k.
Interesting. I was taught that "sincerely" went with Mr. / Ms. and that
"truly" went with "Sir / Madam". Incidentally, my teacher had spent the first
decade or so of his career teaching English at a public school in India where
the typical student was a child of a junior officer in the British Indian
armed forces. (Senior officers could afford to send their children to boarding
schools in England).
Rachel Meredith Kadel-Garcia
>Joseph C Fineman wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> I think, in fact, that most U.S. copyeditors would agree with you; but
>> "client" sounds pompous to me, at least in casual conversation -- as
>> if I were pretending to be a lawyer. Similarly, I snigger whenever I
>> hear a budding journalist or politician called an "intern"; in my
>> book, hospitals have interns, and everybody else has apprentices. But
>> remember, I am an ornery 61.
>
>The first year physician in the family reports that current practice in
>the US is to combine medical internship and residency into a single term
>of several years (depending on specialty), all of which (including first
>year out of med school) is a "residency." She says "intern" isn't used
>even as slang for a first-year resident, at least not where she is a
>resident.
My aunt, who started her residency about 10 years ago and finished
quite recently (hers was a circuitous route), certainly uses the term
"intern" for a first year resident. I don't know whether the
difference is regional or specific to particular hospitals, or if
usage in the field has changed quite recently.
>Not that ER is authoritative in this matter, but I think it follows the
>same practice.
Nope. What's-her-face, the British one, for reasons having to do with
losing her fellowship, has become an intern; there was much discussion
of whose intern she was, and what the role of an intern is.
Rachel
darren.d...@gmail.com
On Monday, March 1, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Christian wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How do you end a formal letter?
>
> strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
> I think it sounds stange?).
>
> If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
> have been told that it is more used with informal letters.
>
>
> Yours faithfully,
> Christian
> Denmark, Europe
>
Don Phillipson
> Hi,
>
> How do you end a formal letter?
>
> I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
> So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
and these conventions are (or were for the whole of the 20th
century) taught in business school. "Yours faithfully" remains
the single likeliest signoff for a formal letter in English.
The conventions were described in detail in "letter books"
found in most libraries, with specimen letters for every
imaginable purpose, from someone seeking a job to a
lawyer threatening court action. They also displayed the
formal ways of addressing (in person, or in a letter, or on
an envelope) a prince, a legislator, a bishop, or any other
sort of dignitary. When I was taught British military official
writing, every letter had to begin:
"I have the honour to (report, request, invite, etc.) . . ."
and had to end:
Sir,
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
Tony Cooper
<e9...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:
>On Monday, March 1, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Christian wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> How do you end a formal letter?
>>
>> I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
>> strange . . .
>>
>> So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
>
>This is a matter of convention (not laws or personal feelings)
>and these conventions are (or were for the whole of the 20th
>century) taught in business school. "Yours faithfully" remains
>the single likeliest signoff for a formal letter in English.
never seen that.
And, in business school, I was never taught that. Neither at Indiana
University or at Northwestern University. Business letters were
covered in classes at both.
I guess I should also point out that we were never instructed on how
to apply wax seals to the envelopes, either.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
Peter T. Daniels
> On Tue, 5 May 2015 17:56:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
> <e9...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:
> >On Monday, March 1, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Christian wrote:
> >> How do you end a formal letter?
> >> I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
> >> strange . . .
> >> So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
> >This is a matter of convention (not laws or personal feelings)
> >and these conventions are (or were for the whole of the 20th
> >century) taught in business school. "Yours faithfully" remains
> >the single likeliest signoff for a formal letter in English.
>
> Evidently, I have never been the recipient of a formal letter. I've
> never seen that.
> And, in business school, I was never taught that. Neither at Indiana
> University or at Northwestern University. Business letters were
> covered in classes at both.
>
> I guess I should also point out that we were never instructed on how
> to apply wax seals to the envelopes, either.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
> On Monday, March 1, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Christian wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> How do you end a formal letter?
>>
>> I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
>> strange (BTW English is not my native language so perhaps that is why
>> I think it sounds stange?).
>>
>> If it was up to me I would write "Sincerely..." or "Regards..." but I
>> have been told that it is more used with informal letters.>> So, what
>> is the right way to end a formal letter?
>>
>> Yours faithfully,
>> Christian
>> Denmark, Europe
> This is an excellent example of how to best end correspondence. It
> would be the European-preferred way to say goodbye. Sincerely Yours or
> Warmest Regards as well. The multiple languages in Europe are able to
> translate their goodbye into English and it sounds more varied.
you take that long to answer a formal letter (a job offer, for example)
your letter is likely to go straight into the bin, regardless of how
you end it.
If you plan to come here often, please note that we don't do
top-posting in this group (I've rearranged your message into the proper
order).
--
athel
Tony Cooper
<acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>On 2015-05-05 20:54:36 +0000, darren.d...@gmail.com said:
>
>> On Monday, March 1, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6
recent months. Frankly, I'm somewhat amazed that people read the date
line. I can't remember ever noticing.
I must make a note to be more thorough in my reading in the future.
Or, should that me "I shall make a note..."?
Dr Nick
> On Monday, March 1, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Christian wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> How do you end a formal letter?
>>
>> I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
>> strange . . .
>>
>> So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
>
> This is a matter of convention (not laws or personal feelings)
> and these conventions are (or were for the whole of the 20th
> century) taught in business school. "Yours faithfully" remains
> the single likeliest signoff for a formal letter in English.
pile of financial reports and a voting form), starts:
Dear Dr Atty
and ends
Yours sincerely,
Which is what I'd have expected as I've been addressed by name.
Peter Moylan
GG has introduced some feature that makes it more likely that people
will respond to ancient posts, but I'm not sufficiently masochistic to
go and look.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Derek Turner
> This is a matter of convention (not laws or personal feelings) and these
> conventions are (or were for the whole of the 20th century) taught in
> business school. "Yours faithfully" remains the single likeliest
> signoff for a formal letter in English.
Dear Sir (Madam) & Yours faithfully
Dear Mr (Miss, Mrs) Smith & Yours sincerely
The former is used when the recipient is unknown and/or un-met or just to
be more formal. I was taught that the latter should only be used on
acquaintance. (Educated in a British Grammar School in the 1960s)
Tony Cooper
wrote:
>On 06/05/15 16:10, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 May 2015 07:15:38 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>> <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-05-05 20:54:36 +0000, darren.d...@gmail.com said:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, March 1, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6
>>
>>> Do you make a practice of posting answers to 16-year-old messages?
>>
>> This - old messages being responded to - has come up several time in
>> recent months. Frankly, I'm somewhat amazed that people read the date
>> line. I can't remember ever noticing.
>>
>> I must make a note to be more thorough in my reading in the future.
>> Or, should that me "I shall make a note..."?
>
>Notice that it's only ever Google Groups users who do it.
post stand out for any reason other than what is said is when it's a
post with line length that extends from my screen to two streets to
the right of my house. I usually enjoy Helen's posts, but they are a
PIA to read for this reason.
Oh, and Stephan Ram's posts with those chevrons.
I suspect that
>GG has introduced some feature that makes it more likely that people
>will respond to ancient posts, but I'm not sufficiently masochistic to
>go and look.
--
micky
<tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 5 May 2015 17:56:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
><e9...@SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, March 1, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Christian wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> How do you end a formal letter?
>>>
>>> I have heard you write "Yours Faithfully..." but IMHO it sounds
>>> strange . . .
>>>
>>> So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
>>
>>This is a matter of convention (not laws or personal feelings)
>>and these conventions are (or were for the whole of the 20th
>>century) taught in business school. "Yours faithfully" remains
>>the single likeliest signoff for a formal letter in English.
>
>Evidently, I have never been the recipient of a formal letter. I've
>never seen that.
>
>And, in business school, I was never taught that. Neither at Indiana
>University or at Northwestern University. Business letters were
>covered in classes at both.
had a duty or desire to be faithful to. Most of my employers treated
me okay, but not well enough to proclaim faithfulness. They shoudl be
happy when I'm sincere.
>I guess I should also point out that we were never instructed on how
>to apply wax seals to the envelopes, either.
--
area's English you are asking about.
So your question or answer makes sense.
. .
I have lived all my life in the USA,
Western Pa. Indianapolis, Chicago,
Brooklyn, Baltimore.
David D S
School in the 1960s and up to 1972).
--
David D S: UK and PR China. (Native BrEng speaker)
Use Reply-To header for email. This email address will be
valid for at least 2 weeks from 2015/5/6 20:13:30
Peter T. Daniels
messages are "New." (Right now there are 57 messages. This one will make it 58.)
Peter T. Daniels
gmail has been integrted into the GG database. The default GG display puts
the thread with the most recent addition at the top.
Athel Cornish-Bowden
letters with the French equivalent of:
I beseech you, my dear friend and colleague, to accept the expression
of my most distinguished compliments
with variations according to who the recipient is (no "friend" for
someone you've not met, no "distinguished" if you regard him as your
superior), and who is writing (no "sentiments" if you're a woman
writing to a man).
but email has killed all that. Eric would like the way most emails of
that sort end today: "Cordialement".
--
athel
Joe Fineman
> I would never close with "yours faithfully" unles writing to someone I
> had a duty or desire to be faithful to.
correspondence with my customers, but "Yours truly" for other business
letters.
When I was in elementary school (US, 1940s), I was taught that "Yours
truly" was right for business letters, and "Sincerely yours" for
personal letters to acquaintances who had not reached the stage where
something more affectionate was called for.
--
--- Joe Fineman jo...@verizon.net
||: If you think you've said something smart about the mind-body :||
||: problem, try it out on the wave-water problem. :||
Sneaky O. Possum
news:mice6r$lsb$2...@dont-email.me:
improved the accessbility of its USENET archive. Google Groups users can
now view several decades' worth of archived posts - using exactly the
same interface provided for viewing and responding to current posts.
Search for a keyword and GG returns an indiscriminately mixed list of
old and new results; look at any of those results and GG will invite you
to respond, providing nothing that might remind an inexperienced user to
check the date of a post before replying to it. Caveat lector, as they
say.
--
S.O.P.
Peter T. Daniels
> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> wrote in
> news:mice6r$lsb$2...@dont-email.me:
> > that GG has introduced some feature that makes it more likely that
> > people will respond to ancient posts, but I'm not sufficiently
> > masochistic to go and look.
>
> I am, and I've already looked. I think the problem began when Google
> improved the accessbility of its USENET archive. Google Groups users can
> now view several decades' worth of archived posts - using exactly the
> same interface provided for viewing and responding to current posts.
> Search for a keyword and GG returns an indiscriminately mixed list of
> old and new results; look at any of those results and GG will invite you
> to respond, providing nothing that might remind an inexperienced user to
> check the date of a post before replying to it. Caveat lector, as they
> say.
micky
wrote:
>micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>
>> I would never close with "yours faithfully" unles writing to someone I
>> had a duty or desire to be faithful to.
>
>That is pretty much my attitude. I use "Yours faithfully" for
>correspondence with my customers, but "Yours truly" for other business
>letters.
>
>When I was in elementary school (US, 1940s), I was taught that "Yours
>truly" was right for business letters, and "Sincerely yours" for
>personal letters to acquaintances who had not reached the stage where
>something more affectionate was called for.
Guy Barry
news:21386df6-1826-4662...@googlegroups.com...
address?
--
Guy Barry
Peter T. Daniels
> "Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
> news:21386df6-1826-4662...@googlegroups.com...
> >
> >On Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 1:06:31 PM UTC-4, Sneaky O. Possum wrote:
> >> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org> wrote in
> >> news:mice6r$lsb$2...@dont-email.me:
> >
> >> > Notice that it's only ever Google Groups users who do it. I suspect
> >> > that GG has introduced some feature that makes it more likely that
> >> > people will respond to ancient posts, but I'm not sufficiently
> >> > masochistic to go and look.
> >>
> >> I am, and I've already looked. I think the problem began when Google
> >> improved the accessbility of its USENET archive. Google Groups users can
> >> now view several decades' worth of archived posts - using exactly the
> >> same interface provided for viewing and responding to current posts.
> >> Search for a keyword and GG returns an indiscriminately mixed list of
> >> old and new results; look at any of those results and GG will invite you
> >> to respond, providing nothing that might remind an inexperienced user to
> >> check the date of a post before replying to it. Caveat lector, as they
> >> say.
criterion is used; it's useless), which is the default, or by "Date," which
reliably puts the most recent first.
> >That doesn't explain why those irruptions come specifically from gmail
> >users.
>
> Because people setting up a GG account are far more likely to use a gmail
> address?
Guy Barry
>"Peter T. Daniels" wrote in message
>news:21386df6-1826-4662...@googlegroups.com...
>>users.
>
>Because people setting up a GG account are far more likely to use a gmail
>address?
blueyonder.co.uk email address on GG. If I want to post from there (which I
rarely do), I have to use my gmail address.
--
Guy Barry
Sneaky O. Possum
news:21386df6-1826-4662...@googlegroups.com:
account. It seems to me that inexperienced users are more likely to
either stumble onto a newsgroup because they have a gmail account or sign
up for a gmail account under the mistaken assumption that they need one
to use Google Groups.
--
S.O.P.
occam
conventions Don speaks of ("I have the honour to ...) are the
formalities of the very regimented e.g. UK military types. Not even
civil servants used the "your obedient servant" sign off since the 60s.
Good riddance, I say.
Tony Cooper
had a "flattop" and kept a jar of Butch Wax in the bathroom cabinet.
Amazing how a few decades passing can change what we think a product
will be used for based on the name of the product. The name "Butch
Wax" might appeal to an entirely different market today.
micky
recollection it came in a tube, about 1.5 inches in diameter. The
substance It might even have been green.
I think kids should be allowed to do whatever they want to their hair,
like dying it blue, since it grows back. Unless of course permission to
do this will ruin it for them, since it won't be rebellion anymore.
micky
told me how to ask for something. "Hagame el gran favor de traerme un
almojado mas" iirc. Do me the great favor of bringing me one more
pillow.
David Kleinecke
usenet groups) as a hit. From that hit you can make a reply. This might
be what is happening.
Stan Brown
> On Monday, March 1, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6, Christian wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> > strange . . .
> >
> > So, what is the right way to end a formal letter?
>
> This is a matter of convention (not laws or personal feelings)
> and these conventions are (or were for the whole of the 20th
> century) taught in business school. "Yours faithfully" remains
> the single likeliest signoff for a formal letter in English.
In AmE, it is "Very truly yours" in business letters and "Sincerely
yours" in personal letters. "Yours faithfully" would cause puzzlement
or derision.
In Asian English, at least from what I get at work, it is "Please do
the needful", which I find quite irritating even though,
intellectually, I know the writer doesn't mean to give offense.
--
"The difference between the /almost right/ word and the /right/ word
is ... the difference between the lightning-bug and the lightning."
--Mark Twain
Stan Brown, Tompkins County, NY, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com
Stan Brown
> micky <NONONO...@bigfoot.com> writes:
>
> > I would never close with "yours faithfully" unles writing to someone I
> > had a duty or desire to be faithful to.
>
> That is pretty much my attitude. I use "Yours faithfully" for
> correspondence with my customers, but "Yours truly" for other business
> letters.
>
may make it "Best regards".
Stan Brown
to killfile ANYTHING that comes from Google Gropes.
Stan Brown
>
> I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm no longer allowed to use my
> blueyonder.co.uk email address on GG. If I want to post from there (which I
> rarely do), I have to use my gmail address.
"Well then, don't."
Stan Brown
> but email has killed all that. Eric would like the way most emails of
> that sort end today: "Cordialement".
When I studied French in high school and college (1960s), the
textbooks said to close with "Avec mes meilleurs voeux".
Recently, I asked a Montreal-based customer, whose first language is
CanFr, and she advised using "Cordialement".
Peter Moylan
> On Wed, 6 May 2015 20:07:51 +0100, Guy Barry wrote:
>>
>> I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm no longer allowed to use my
>> blueyonder.co.uk email address on GG. If I want to post from there (which I
>> rarely do), I have to use my gmail address.
>
> "Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this!"
>
> "Well then, don't."
a rheumatologist about a year ago. I've since given up on him, but not
for that reason.
--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Peter T. Daniels
Peter T. Daniels
> On Wed, 06 May 2015 17:01:47 +1000, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 06/05/15 16:10, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > > On Wed, 6 May 2015 07:15:38 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> > > <acor...@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
> > >> On 2015-05-05 20:54:36 +0000, darren.d...@gmail.com said:
> > >>> On Monday, March 1, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-6
> > >> Do you make a practice of posting answers to 16-year-old messages?
> > > This - old messages being responded to - has come up several time in
> > > recent months. Frankly, I'm somewhat amazed that people read the date
> > > line. I can't remember ever noticing.
> > > I must make a note to be more thorough in my reading in the future.
> > > Or, should that me "I shall make a note..."?
> > Notice that it's only ever Google Groups users who do it. I suspect that
> > GG has introduced some feature that makes it more likely that people
> > will respond to ancient posts, but I'm not sufficiently masochistic to
> > go and look.
>
> Yet another vindication of my decision, probably a decade ago, simply
> to killfile ANYTHING that comes from Google Gropes.
What is "comes from Google Groups"?
James Hogg
Or am I being whooshed?
--
James
Guy Barry
news:MPG.2fb47f7b7...@news.individual.net...
>On Wed, 6 May 2015 20:07:51 +0100, Guy Barry wrote:
>>
>> I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm no longer allowed to use my
>> blueyonder.co.uk email address on GG. If I want to post from there
>> (which I
>> rarely do), I have to use my gmail address.
>
>"Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this!"
>
>"Well then, don't."
bit awkward). If I'm away from my computer (which I occasionally am when
posting), it's my only option. I haven't used it for a while though.
--
Guy Barry
Guy Barry
--
Guy Barry
Robert Bannister
> I would never close with "yours faithfully" unles writing to someone I
> me okay, but not well enough to proclaim faithfulness. They shoudl be
> happy when I'm sincere.
Skies above. It formulaic, not literal. I'm sure few people who write
"sincerely" are intending sincerity any more than business people are
pledging faithfulness.
--
Robert Bannister - 1940-71 SE England
1972-now W Australia
Robert Bannister
>
>> This is a matter of convention (not laws or personal feelings) and these
>> conventions are (or were for the whole of the 20th century) taught in
>> business school. "Yours faithfully" remains the single likeliest
>> signoff for a formal letter in English.
>
>
> Dear Sir (Madam) & Yours faithfully
> Dear Mr (Miss, Mrs) Smith & Yours sincerely
>
> The former is used when the recipient is unknown and/or un-met or just to
> be more formal. I was taught that the latter should only be used on
> acquaintance. (Educated in a British Grammar School in the 1960s)
>
Likewise from at least ten years earlier. Of course, I can't remember
when I last wrote a formal letter or any letter for that matter and I
don't put greeting either at the beginning or end of emails. I have a
few friends who honestly believe all emails should begin "Hi!" and end
"Hugs xxx", which I find childish.
Peter T. Daniels
as in the thread confusing "gmail" with "GG."
micky
<rob...@clubtelco.com> wrote:
>On 6/05/2015 3:14 pm, micky wrote:
>
>> I would never close with "yours faithfully" unles writing to someone I
>> had a duty or desire to be faithful to. Most of my employers treated
>> me okay, but not well enough to proclaim faithfulness. They shoudl be
>> happy when I'm sincere.
>
>Skies above. It formulaic, not literal.
>I'm sure few people who write
feel, and I make a real effort to be sincere in my letters and my Usenet
posts too, rewriiting them if I realize I don't really believe what I've
said.
>"sincerely" are intending sincerity any more than business people are
>pledging faithfulness.
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Groups because I have a proper newsreader.
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James
Peter T. Daniels
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 12:55:12 AM UTC-4, James Hogg wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>> I don't know what "post from GG" is.
> >> Isn't that what you do with every message you post?
> >> Or am I being whooshed?
> > I post from my computer. You-all seem not to distinguish email from newsgroups,
> > as in the thread confusing "gmail" with "GG."
>
> If you put it that way, I post from my house. But I don't use Google
> Groups because I have a proper newsreader.
I keep seeing sundry complaints from people here that they can't do this-or-that
with their "proper newsreaders" that are ordinary features of GG.
Charles Bishop
R H Draney
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Peter Moylan
Oliver Cromm
> On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 8:12:34 AM UTC-4, James Hogg wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 7, 2015 at 12:55:12 AM UTC-4, James Hogg wrote:
>>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
>>>>> I don't know what "post from GG" is.
>>>> Isn't that what you do with every message you post?
>>>> Or am I being whooshed?
>>> I post from my computer. You-all seem not to distinguish email from newsgroups,
>>> as in the thread confusing "gmail" with "GG."
>>
>> If you put it that way, I post from my house. But I don't use Google
>> Groups because I have a proper newsreader.
>
> I suppose I post _in_ GG.
because it goes from GG to Usenet that we do.
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>
>* Peter T. Daniels:
>> I suppose I post _in_ GG.
>
>If you did that, most of us wouldn't even see it. It's only
>because it goes from GG to Usenet that we do.
internal to Google, which aren't part of Usenet. Google Groups also
provides an interface to Usenet, so I suppose the best phrasing would be "I
post via Google Groups".
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Peter T. Daniels
groups, but participation in even the most active (ANE-2) has fallen way off.
Oliver Cromm
active group for questions on translation between Japanese and
(mostly) English. It went from a traditional Mailing List server
to Yahoo to Google Groups.
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/honyaku>
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in which the score is kept.
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Peter T. Daniels
Oliver Cromm
list with an additional Web interface. This web interface, in
turn, is also used as an interface to Usenet. That's where you
read and post.
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their organ. Unfortunately for complex theological reasons they
would only give us the white keys, so we can only program in C'.
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