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navi  
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 More options Oct 14 2012, 10:49 pm
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From: navi <lorca1...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:49:24 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Oct 14 2012 10:49 pm
Subject: a poet and novelist
1-A poet and novelist walked into the theatre.
2-The poet and novelist walked into the theatre.

Could either of these sentences be used if one were talking, not of two people, but of the same person, who was both a poet and a novelist?

Gratefully,
Navi.


 
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Harrison Hill  
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 More options Oct 15 2012, 2:48 am
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From: Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Oct 15 2012 2:48 am
Subject: Re: a poet and novelist
On 15 Oct, 03:49, navi <lorca1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 1-A poet and novelist walked into the theatre.
> 2-The poet and novelist walked into the theatre.

> Could either of these sentences be used if one were talking, not of two people, but of the same person, who was both a poet and a novelist?

Both imply only one person. "A poet and a novelist" implies two
people, "the poet and the novelist" implies one person.

 
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Guy Barry  
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 More options Oct 15 2012, 3:02 am
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From: "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 08:02:57 +0100
Local: Mon, Oct 15 2012 3:02 am
Subject: Re: a poet and novelist

"navi"  wrote in message

news:78fb5ae5-f830-408e-abb8-65520da5cab4@googlegroups.com...

> 1-A poet and novelist walked into the theatre.
> 2-The poet and novelist walked into the theatre.
> Could either of these sentences be used if one were talking, not of two
> people, but of the same person, who was both a poet and a novelist?

Yes, in (2), if it were already established who we were talking about.
Theoretically also in (1), although I'd avoid the phrasing myself.

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 More options Oct 15 2012, 8:52 am
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From: Arcadian Rises <Arcadianri...@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 05:52:02 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Oct 15 2012 8:52 am
Subject: Re: a poet and novelist
On Oct 14, 10:49 pm, navi <lorca1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 1-A poet and novelist walked into the theatre.
> 2-The poet and novelist walked into the theatre.

> Could either of these sentences be used if one were talking, not of two people, but of the same person, who was both a poet and a novelist?

> Gratefully,
> Navi.

There would be no problem if you used the present time:

A poet and a novelist walks...


 
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Berna  
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 More options Oct 15 2012, 11:07 am
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From: Berna <nos...@here.plz>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:07:22 +0200
Local: Mon, Oct 15 2012 11:07 am
Subject: Re: a poet and novelist
On 15-10-12 08:48, Harrison Hill wrote:

> On 15 Oct, 03:49, navi <lorca1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 1-A poet and novelist walked into the theatre.
>> 2-The poet and novelist walked into the theatre.

>> Could either of these sentences be used if one were talking, not of two people, but of the same person, who was both a poet and a novelist?

> Both imply only one person. "A poet and a novelist" implies two
> people, "the poet and the novelist" implies one person.

Shouldn't that last be "the poet and novelist"?

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James Hogg  
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 More options Oct 15 2012, 11:43 am
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From: James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:43:56 +0200
Local: Mon, Oct 15 2012 11:43 am
Subject: Re: a poet and novelist

Lewis wrote:
> In message <d0c065f4-bc91-40cd-8e9c-425289619...@b8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
>   Harrison Hill <harrisonhill2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 15 Oct, 03:49, navi <lorca1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 1-A poet and novelist walked into the theatre.
>>> 2-The poet and novelist walked into the theatre.

>>> Could either of these sentences be used if one were talking, not of two people, but of the same person, who was both a poet and a novelist?

>> Both imply only one person. "A poet and a novelist" implies two
>> people, "the poet and the novelist" implies one person.

> No, "the poet and the novelist" still is two people. If you want to
> imply a single person you have to drop the second article, "the poet and
> novelist..."

A woman who is going out with an officer and a gentleman may be two-timing.

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James


 
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Mike L  
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 More options Oct 15 2012, 6:25 pm
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From: Mike L <n...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:25:38 +0100
Local: Mon, Oct 15 2012 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: a poet and novelist
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:43:56 +0200, James Hogg <Jas.H...@gOUTmail.com>
wrote:

"Gentlemen, sweethearts and wives!"
"May they never meet!"

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Eric Walker  
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 More options Oct 16 2012, 6:15 am
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From: Eric Walker <em...@owlcroft.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:15:29 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Tues, Oct 16 2012 6:15 am
Subject: Re: a poet and novelist

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:49:24 -0700, navi wrote:
> 1-A poet and novelist walked into the theatre.
> 2-The poet and novelist walked into the theatre.

> Could either of these sentences be used if one were talking, not of two
> people, but of the same person, who was both a poet and a novelist?

In fact, as other posts have shown, the sentences each refer to but a
single person.

The right use of articles is a deal trickier than it often seems.  Wilson
Follett, in his rather concise "Dictionary of Modern American Usage",
which I much recommend (but not the Wensburg "revision") devotes, as best
I recall, some eleven pages to the topic.

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Cordially,
Eric Walker


 
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