> On Sep 1, 7:22 am, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:30:32 -0400, tony cooper <tony.cooper...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 23:51:06 +0100, Mike L <n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> As I understand it, the ones for bottle-feeding, which we call
>>>> "teats", are "nipples" in AmE.
>>> To all but the strange here, non-human animals have teats and human
>>> animals have nipples.
>> That's the other way round when you get to feet, however.
>> Here non-himan animals have claws, while human animals have nails, whereas
>> some Americans of my acquaintance have referred to claws on animals as
>> "nails".
> Most peculiar. With humans it's a not uncommon literary device to call
> nails 'claws' when they're attached to wizened crones, shameless
> harpies, or other appropriately aged clich s.
On Sun, 02 Sep 2012 07:42:08 +0800, Robert Bannister <robb...@bigpond.com>
wrote:
>On 1/09/12 1:31 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> And then when I was 11 I was sitting on the veranda talking to a girl friend
>> when our lactating bitch came trotting across the lawn. My friend exclaimed in
>> surprise, and then said, "Oh, it's only her bosoms flapping."
>Now, that's another thing I find weird: people who use "bosom" in the >plural when referring to one person.
I suppose that's why it stuck in my memory.
-- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 15:22:01 +0100, "Guy Barry"
> >>>>>>> <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> As was the British original:
> >>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Not_to_Wear_%28UK_TV_series%29 > >>>>>>>> I agree that it was terrible.
> >>>>>>> I don't want to make presumptions here, but are you and Lewis really
> >>>>>>> the type to judge this type of show? I know I'm not.
> >>>>>> Of course I can make judgements about television programmes, and so can
> >>>>>> Lewis. No one else has to agree with them.
> >>>>>>> It's like my wife saying that Monday Night Football is a terrible show.
> >>>>>> I'm not interested in football (irrespective of whether it's referring
> >>>>>> to soccer, American football or any other type of football), so I don't
> >>>>>> see how that's relevant. I dislike the concept of programmes where
> >>>>>> people presume to tell other people what they should wear, what they
> >>>>>> should eat, what sort of house they should live in or anything else like
> >>>>>> that. I find it condescending and unpleasant.
> >>>>> Well, there are some people who know more about some things than other
> >>>>> people. Often the other people will ask some people for advice. However,
> >>>>> the tv shows, being "reality" shows, bear no resemblance to reasonable
> >>>>> advice, presented in a manner you'd expect someone you've hired to do.
> >>>> I rather like the US equivalent of the how to dress show, which isn't
> >>>> quite as nastily backbiting as some of the other reality shows. Even
> >>>> though the hosts make jokes about the participants' taste, they also
> >>>> seem to work on the assumption that learning to present yourself in a
> >>>> certain way is a useful skill anyone can pick up rather than an excuse
> >>>> for snide remarks.
> >>> That seems more reasonable. I did like the room makeover from England more
> >>> than I liked the home grown one. But lordy, did those people never hear of
> >>> paint rollers? The impression I got was that they painted entire rooms
> >>> with a brush. Admittedly, a 4" one, but still. This was way back in the
> >>> day, so I suppose they have heard of them by now, but rollers were common
> >>> here long before the shows I saw.
> >> Paint rollers have been around for many years in the UK. They seem to be
> >> used in today's room makeover TV shows.
> >> What I've not been sure about is the suitability of various types of
> >> paint for "rolling".
> > It's years since I paid somebody to decorate, but in my experience
> > professionals don't seem to like rollers much: my impression is that
> > skilled workers can get a better finish with a brush. They prefer two
> > or three thin coats to one or two thick ones.
> I thought anything bigger than a closet meant having the spayer out.
> Your two or three thin coats can be done in jig time.
> (Newcomers to the spraying operation tend not to do thin coats, but you
> get the hang of it after a few hundred drips.)
> On the other hand, Decorators now seem to be into various faux finishes
> that involve the laying on of sponges.
For atheist decorators, that's the 'sponging on of layers'. There is
the elegant linguistic icing provided by householders being sponged
upon by real spongers, rather than just metaphorical ones.
> > On Sep 1, 7:22 am, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 20:30:32 -0400, tony cooper <tony.cooper...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 23:51:06 +0100, Mike L <n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>> As I understand it, the ones for bottle-feeding, which we call
> >>>> "teats", are "nipples" in AmE.
> >>> To all but the strange here, non-human animals have teats and human
> >>> animals have nipples.
> >> That's the other way round when you get to feet, however.
> >> Here non-himan animals have claws, while human animals have nails, whereas
> >> some Americans of my acquaintance have referred to claws on animals as
> >> "nails".
> > Most peculiar. With humans it's a not uncommon literary device to call
> > nails 'claws' when they're attached to wizened crones, shameless
> > harpies, or other appropriately aged clichés.
"Robert Bannister" wrote in message news:aafkqhFifpU1@mid.individual.net...
> Now, that's another thing I find weird: people who use "bosom" in the > plural when referring to one person.
On Sep 2, 8:54 am, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "Robert Bannister" wrote in messagenews:aafkqhFifpU1@mid.individual.net...
> > Now, that's another thing I find weird: people who use "bosom" in the
> > plural when referring to one person.
> Or pronounce them "bazooms".
'Come to my boozalum, angel' as the short story "A Rhinoceros, Some
Ladies and A Horse" by James Stephens has it. Rather a good short
story, it's even on-line:
>>>In message <ve73485teo4imofegev40lcc81q151v...@4ax.com> >>> Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:07:37 -0700 (PDT), Yusuf Gursey <ygur...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>On Aug 29, 11:24 pm, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>>> To me "teats" refers to nipples, while "tits" refers to the whole shebang.
>>>>>I'd call the whole shebang "boobs"
>>>> Some call it/them "hooters".
>>>Bazooms. Bazookas. Bazoombas. Bra Buddies. Bra Stuffers. Bullets. Bumps. Buds.
>>>Shall we move on to C, or continue with the Bs?
In article <k1u6ao$l3...@news.albasani.net>, Skitt <skit...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Charles Bishop wrote:
>> Peter Duncanson wrote:
>>> Paint rollers have been around for many years in the UK. They seem to be
>>> used in today's room makeover TV shows.
>>> What I've not been sure about is the suitability of various types of
>>> paint for "rolling".
>> The shows I was watching were about 15 years ago and were probably several
>> years old by the time I saw them in Am TV. I suppose they could have known
>> about rollers, and just showed brushes so we'd feel sorry for them.
>> The viscosity is the same as for a brush, though it can be a little
>> thinner for a brush, but not too much.
>I could be wrong about this, but I think that some time ago professional
>painters were not using rollers. They got paid by the hour, and the
>union wanted to ensure that plenty of time was used in the painting
>process.
>For all I know, that practice is still in effect. I have hired
>painters, but they have not been union people.
The union thing could be true, I dunno. Knowing some union rules though,
I'd think it more likely that a union would insist on so many hours/task
and then if the members could finish sooner with rollers, they got to go
home early.[1]
I did know a painter who bid jobs by total cost. On one job, it was going
very well, so much so that he had his painters slow down, to make the work
last longer, so the homeowner didn't think that he had paid too much for
so little time.
I've used rollers professionally since 1980 (approx) and for my own work
before that. I have some dim memory of watching a painter paint a wall
with a brush, but that would have been in early childhood, early 50's.
As someone else menioned airless sparyers (replacing the compressed air
sprayers of yore) are in common use by professional painters, especially
if the area to be painted is new construction and overspray won't be a
problem. In this case the prep time is much shortened and the time spent
cleaning the airless is worth the saving of painting time.
[1] Somewhat related, I took my car to the local mechanic to have
something done with a brake or something in the wheel. He found something
stuck and it took a lot of time to get the job done. When he was done, he
told me that because of the extra time, he would have to charge me more. I
pointed out to him that I had been coming there for years and each time,
he had used the Book to know how much to charge. I'd then appreciate it if
he used the same Book to know how much to charge for this work.
The Book is a list of work done on vehicles. It allows, say 1.0 hours to
change a brake pad, .5 hrs to change windshield wiper blades, and the
like. The idea is that each individual job is usually quicker than the
time listed, but if a job takes longer, the difference will be made up by
the additional time on other tasks.
> On Sep 2, 8:54 am, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> "Robert Bannister" wrote in messagenews:aafkqhFifpU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Now, that's another thing I find weird: people who use "bosom" in the
>>> plural when referring to one person.
>> Or pronounce them "bazooms".
> 'Come to my boozalum, angel' as the short story "A Rhinoceros, Some
> Ladies and A Horse" by James Stephens has it. Rather a good short
> story, it's even on-line:
Cheryl <cperk...@mun.ca> wrote:
> On 2012-08-30 5:30 AM, Guy Barry wrote:
> > I've never applied for a postal vote in my life. I'm not even sure
> > whether I'm entitled to one.
> The city council here seems to be pushing them strongly. It seems to > take all the suspense and excitement out of an election, knowing many
> people have had their say earlier, but I suppose it saves money.
It's the only way we can vote here in my county now -- it might be
state-wide, even. I resent it. I enjoyed voting in person, and I liked
taking my kids along and having a little lesson on the importance of
voting. Putting an envelope in the mailbox is much less stirring.
> > On Sep 2, 8:54 am, "Guy Barry" <guy.ba...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >> "Robert Bannister" wrote in messagenews:aafkqhFifpU1@mid.individual.net...
> >>> Now, that's another thing I find weird: people who use "bosom" in the
> >>> plural when referring to one person.
> >> Or pronounce them "bazooms".
> > 'Come to my boozalum, angel' as the short story "A Rhinoceros, Some
> > Ladies and A Horse" by James Stephens has it. Rather a good short
> > story, it's even on-line:
> > > I've never applied for a postal vote in my life. I'm not even sure
> > > whether I'm entitled to one.
> > The city council here seems to be pushing them strongly. It seems to > > take all the suspense and excitement out of an election, knowing many
> > people have had their say earlier, but I suppose it saves money.
> It's the only way we can vote here in my county now -- it might be
> state-wide, even. I resent it. I enjoyed voting in person, and I liked
> taking my kids along and having a little lesson on the importance of
> voting. Putting an envelope in the mailbox is much less stirring.
It is one of those social occasions like funerals where you meet people
you haven't seen for ages.
-- Nick Spalding
BrE/IrE
> > > > I've never applied for a postal vote in my life. I'm not even sure
> > > > whether I'm entitled to one.
> > > The city council here seems to be pushing them strongly. It seems to
> > > take all the suspense and excitement out of an election, knowing many
> > > people have had their say earlier, but I suppose it saves money.
> > It's the only way we can vote here in my county now -- it might be
> > state-wide, even. I resent it. I enjoyed voting in person, and I liked
> > taking my kids along and having a little lesson on the importance of
> > voting. Putting an envelope in the mailbox is much less stirring.
> It is one of those social occasions like funerals where you meet people
> you haven't seen for ages.
>> > > I've never applied for a postal vote in my life. I'm not even sure
>> > > whether I'm entitled to one.
>> > The city council here seems to be pushing them strongly. It seems to >> > take all the suspense and excitement out of an election, knowing many
>> > people have had their say earlier, but I suppose it saves money.
>> It's the only way we can vote here in my county now -- it might be
>> state-wide, even. I resent it. I enjoyed voting in person, and I liked
>> taking my kids along and having a little lesson on the importance of
>> voting. Putting an envelope in the mailbox is much less stirring.
>It is one of those social occasions like funerals where you meet people
>you haven't seen for ages.
There have been reports in some countries of dead people voting.
> >> > > I've never applied for a postal vote in my life. I'm not even sure
> >> > > whether I'm entitled to one.
> >> > The city council here seems to be pushing them strongly. It seems to
> >> > take all the suspense and excitement out of an election, knowing many
> >> > people have had their say earlier, but I suppose it saves money.
> >> It's the only way we can vote here in my county now -- it might be
> >> state-wide, even. I resent it. I enjoyed voting in person, and I liked
> >> taking my kids along and having a little lesson on the importance of
> >> voting. Putting an envelope in the mailbox is much less stirring.
> >It is one of those social occasions like funerals where you meet people
> >you haven't seen for ages.
> There have been reports in some countries of dead people voting.
And collecting pensions. I think that, in some larger bureaucracies,
they even draw wages as active workers.
>>> > > I've never applied for a postal vote in my life. I'm not even sure
>>> > > whether I'm entitled to one.
>>> > The city council here seems to be pushing them strongly. It seems to >>> > take all the suspense and excitement out of an election, knowing many
>>> > people have had their say earlier, but I suppose it saves money.
>>> It's the only way we can vote here in my county now -- it might be
>>> state-wide, even. I resent it. I enjoyed voting in person, and I liked
>>> taking my kids along and having a little lesson on the importance of
>>> voting. Putting an envelope in the mailbox is much less stirring.
>>It is one of those social occasions like funerals where you meet people
>>you haven't seen for ages.
>There have been reports in some countries of dead people voting.
Not to mention of whole households voting the way big Daddy wants, or
whole sub-communities voting in some "community leader's" handwriting.
I believe postal votes should be allowed only very grudgingly.
In article <lu8a4898nhhcrmatvvvpqn4lnjke013...@4ax.com>,
Mike L <n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Not to mention of whole households voting the way big Daddy wants, or
>whole sub-communities voting in some "community leader's" handwriting.
>I believe postal votes should be allowed only very grudgingly.
It is interesting, isn't it. Or perhaps "sad" would be a better word.
One of the big issues in developing secure, voter-verifiable
electronic voting devices was the requirement that, if the voter
received any kind of receipt, no other person could use it to
determine how that person voted. (This was deemed necessary to
prevent vote fraud by intimidation: if a candidate could send thugs to
stand outside the polling place and verify how people had voted, it
would defeat the secrecy of the ballot.) Yet we completely ignore
that factor in favor of convenience by allowing more and more people
to vote in places where they can be directly observed.
In the U.S. it took many long years of effort to get the secret ballot
made the law of the land, and yet now we seem totally willing to throw
it away just to avoid the inconvenience of going to a secure polling
place for a few minutes every year or two.
-GAWollman
-- Garrett A. Wollman | What intellectual phenomenon can be older, or more oft
woll...@bimajority.org| repeated, than the story of a large research program
Opinions not shared by| that impaled itself upon a false central assumption
my employers. | accepted by all practitioners? - S.J. Gould, 1993
On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 11:34:23 UTC, "Peter Duncanson [BrE]"
<m...@peterduncanson.net> wrote:
> There have been reports in some countries of dead people voting.
Chicago is a city, not a country.
-- John Varela
Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. -- George Orwell
>>>>> I've never applied for a postal vote in my life. I'm not even sure
>>>>> whether I'm entitled to one.
>>>> The city council here seems to be pushing them strongly. It seems to
>>>> take all the suspense and excitement out of an election, knowing many
>>>> people have had their say earlier, but I suppose it saves money.
>>> It's the only way we can vote here in my county now -- it might be
>>> state-wide, even. I resent it. I enjoyed voting in person, and I liked
>>> taking my kids along and having a little lesson on the importance of
>>> voting. Putting an envelope in the mailbox is much less stirring.
>> It is one of those social occasions like funerals where you meet people
>> you haven't seen for ages.
> There have been reports in some countries of dead people voting.
They must be very keen. I'll be damned if I vote when I'm dead (or maybe I will be anyway).
> In the U.S. it took many long years of effort to get the secret ballot
> made the law of the land, and yet now we seem totally willing to throw
> it away just to avoid the inconvenience of going to a secure polling
> place for a few minutes every year or two.
> >>>>> I've never applied for a postal vote in my life. I'm not even sure
> >>>>> whether I'm entitled to one.
> >>>> The city council here seems to be pushing them strongly. It seems to
> >>>> take all the suspense and excitement out of an election, knowing many
> >>>> people have had their say earlier, but I suppose it saves money.
> >>> It's the only way we can vote here in my county now -- it might be
> >>> state-wide, even. I resent it. I enjoyed voting in person, and I liked
> >>> taking my kids along and having a little lesson on the importance of
> >>> voting. Putting an envelope in the mailbox is much less stirring.
> >> It is one of those social occasions like funerals where you meet people
> >> you haven't seen for ages.
> > There have been reports in some countries of dead people voting.
> They must be very keen. I'll be damned if I vote when I'm dead (or maybe
> I will be anyway).
If there are matters that concern them - like the upgrade of
cemeteries, or the dignity with which they're treated during post-
mortem examinations - then isn't it reasonable for the dead not to be
disenfranchised?
Should people be penalised for being just that bit slower on the
uptake than most of the population?
>>>>>> I've never applied for a postal vote in my life. I'm not even sure
>>>>>> whether I'm entitled to one.
>>>>> The city council here seems to be pushing them strongly. It seems to
>>>>> take all the suspense and excitement out of an election, knowing many
>>>>> people have had their say earlier, but I suppose it saves money.
>>>> It's the only way we can vote here in my county now -- it might be
>>>> state-wide, even. I resent it. I enjoyed voting in person, and I liked
>>>> taking my kids along and having a little lesson on the importance of
>>>> voting. Putting an envelope in the mailbox is much less stirring.
>>> It is one of those social occasions like funerals where you meet people
>>> you haven't seen for ages.
>> There have been reports in some countries of dead people voting.
>They must be very keen. I'll be damned if I vote when I'm dead (or maybe >I will be anyway).
A neighbor of mine will have voted after death. He mailed in his
absentee ballot a couple of weeks ago, died a few days ago. He was
very active in the Republican party, and wanted to get his vote in
even though in a nursing home.
At least he was spared the sorry spectacle of Eastwood's conversation
with a chair. I know he would have watched the convention.
On Sep 4, 7:14 am, tony cooper <tony.cooper...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A neighbor of mine will have voted after death. He mailed in his
> absentee ballot a couple of weeks ago, died a few days ago. He was
> very active in the Republican party, and wanted to get his vote in
> even though in a nursing home.
No matter his political convictions; good on him for giving death one
in the eye...!
Robert Bannister <rob...@clubtelco.com> writes:
> On 4/09/12 5:51 AM, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>> In the U.S. it took many long years of effort to get the secret ballot
>> made the law of the land, and yet now we seem totally willing to throw
>> it away just to avoid the inconvenience of going to a secure polling
>> place for a few minutes every year or two.
> Total agreement re. other countries too.
In California, that's the inconvenience of going to a secure polling
place, remembering how you intended to vote on a couple of dozen races
and issues (or bringing with you a marked voter's guide, which thugs
outside could demand to see, if they existed), and correctly
transfering your vote to the actual ballot. After standing in line
for (in some cases) a fairly long time as people who haven't quite
made up their minds on some of the many issues dither in the voting
booths. And with the pressure of knowing that you're keeping others
waiting in line.
Or you can sit in the privacy of your own home and make your choices
at your leisure with the voter's guide open in front of you, possibly
not even in one sitting.
Of course, that assumes that you're anywhere near your polling place.
This election, I'm going to be about 1,800 miles from home at a
conference.
I can attest to *my* vote being no less secret for being filled in
outside a polling place. With the exception of people voting (their
own way) on behalf of elderly relatives who probably wouldn't have
been able to go to a polling place in any case, is there actual
evidence of fraud or intimidation via absentee ballots, or is this
like the "voter impersonation" scares that are used to justify the ID
laws?
-- Evan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------
Still with HP Labs |There is no such thing as bad data,
SF Bay Area (1982-) |only data from bad homes. Chicago (1964-1982)
>>> In the U.S. it took many long years of effort to get the secret ballot
>>> made the law of the land, and yet now we seem totally willing to throw
>>> it away just to avoid the inconvenience of going to a secure polling
>>> place for a few minutes every year or two.
>> Total agreement re. other countries too.
> In California, that's the inconvenience of going to a secure polling
> place, remembering how you intended to vote on a couple of dozen races
> and issues (or bringing with you a marked voter's guide, which thugs
> outside could demand to see, if they existed), and correctly
> transfering your vote to the actual ballot. After standing in line
> for (in some cases) a fairly long time as people who haven't quite
> made up their minds on some of the many issues dither in the voting
> booths. And with the pressure of knowing that you're keeping others
> waiting in line.
> Or you can sit in the privacy of your own home and make your choices
> at your leisure with the voter's guide open in front of you, possibly
> not even in one sitting.
> Of course, that assumes that you're anywhere near your polling place.
> This election, I'm going to be about 1,800 miles from home at a
> conference.
> I can attest to *my* vote being no less secret for being filled in
> outside a polling place. With the exception of people voting (their
> own way) on behalf of elderly relatives who probably wouldn't have
> been able to go to a polling place in any case, is there actual
> evidence of fraud or intimidation via absentee ballots, or is this
> like the "voter impersonation" scares that are used to justify the ID
> laws?
"Five men, including two ex-councillors, have been jailed over a failed postal vote scam in the 2005 general election.
A judge heard the men plotted to get Conservative candidate Haroon Rashid elected in the Bradford West seat using fraudulent postal vote applications.
One man admitted conspiring to defraud the city's electoral registration officer and was jailed for 11 months.
The four other men had denied the charge but were found guilty and jailed for 21 months at Leeds Crown Court."
