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Hongyi Zhao  
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 More options Jun 27 2011, 7:42 pm
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From: Hongyi Zhao <hszhao...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:42:49 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Mon, Jun 27 2011 7:42 pm
Subject: out of question
Hi all,

Could someone please give me some hints on the meaning of *out of
question*  used in the following sentence:

-----------
this I cannot tell you, I need to read carefully the paper and this is
now out of question, sorry
----------------

Regards.
--
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Cheryl  
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 More options Jun 27 2011, 7:55 pm
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From: Cheryl <cperk...@mun.ca>
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 21:25:24 -0230
Local: Mon, Jun 27 2011 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: out of question
On 6/27/2011 9:12 PM, Hongyi Zhao wrote:

> Hi all,

> Could someone please give me some hints on the meaning of *out of
> question*  used in the following sentence:

> -----------
> this I cannot tell you, I need to read carefully the paper and this is
> now out of question, sorry
> ----------------

> Regards.

The passage is unclear. At first glance, 'this is now out of the
question' seems to refer to 'carefully read the paper' or 'read the
paper carefully' (not 'read carefully the paper'). In that case, it
means that for some reason, which isn't given, it is now impossible for
the speaker to read the paper carefully.

But it is also impossible for the speaker to tell the listener something
('this I cannot tell you'), so it is possible that it is this telling
which is now 'out of the question'; impossible. I think this meaning is
less likely because the position of 'out of the question' makes it more
likely that it is referring to reading the paper.

--
Cheryl


 
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Peter Moylan  
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 More options Jun 27 2011, 9:29 pm
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From: Peter Moylan <inva...@peter.pmoylan.org.invalid>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:29:42 +1000
Local: Mon, Jun 27 2011 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: out of question

Hongyi Zhao wrote:
> Hi all,

> Could someone please give me some hints on the meaning of *out of
> question*  used in the following sentence:

> -----------
> this I cannot tell you, I need to read carefully the paper and this is
> now out of question, sorry
> ----------------

You left out "the".  "This is out of the question" means "this is now
impossible".  (But without the "the", it doesn't mean anything at all.)

Usually it doesn't mean physically impossible. Perhaps a better
equivalent is "I refuse to do what you are asking".

I presume that the meaning of "this" is made clear from the context.

--
Peter Moylan, Newcastle, NSW, Australia.      http://www.pmoylan.org
For an e-mail address, see my web page.


 
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tony cooper  
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 More options Jun 27 2011, 9:45 pm
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From: tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 21:45:59 -0400
Local: Mon, Jun 27 2011 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: out of question
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:42:49 +0000 (UTC), Hongyi Zhao

<hszhao...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi all,

>Could someone please give me some hints on the meaning of *out of
>question*  used in the following sentence:

>-----------
>this I cannot tell you, I need to read carefully the paper and this is
>now out of question, sorry
>----------------

This must be a translation - and a bad one - and not a sentence
originally written by a native speaker of English.

The original must have been:  I need to carefully read the paper and
this is now out of question, sorry.

"Out of the question" means "it is not possible".

For some reason, the speaker is now unable to carefully read the
paper.  

In other context, "out of the question" can mean "I will not do it".
Replying to a request to apologize for something, a person might say
"That is out of the question".  In this case, it is possible but the
person will not do it.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida


 
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Stan Brown  
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 More options Jun 28 2011, 6:59 am
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From: Stan Brown <the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 06:59:33 -0400
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2011 6:59 am
Subject: Re: out of question

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:42:49 +0000 (UTC), Hongyi Zhao wrote:
> Could someone please give me some hints on the meaning of *out of
> question*  used in the following sentence:

> -----------
> this I cannot tell you, I need to read carefully the paper and this is
> now out of question, sorry
> ----------------

It's "out of THE question", not "out of question".  When you say
something is out of the question, you mean there is no chance you
will do it.  Your correspondent is saying that he or she absolutely
will not read the paper at this time.

--
"The difference between the /almost right/ word and the /right/ word
is ... the difference between the lightning-bug and the lightning."
                                                        --Mark Twain
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CDB  
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 More options Jun 28 2011, 11:31 am
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From: "CDB" <bellema...@sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:31:08 -0400
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2011 11:31 am
Subject: Re: out of question

Yes.  It can't be considered.

The correspondent appears not to be a native English-speaker.  Not
only is "the" required before "question", but the use of an adverb
between the verb-form "read" and its direct object is unidiomatic in
English (although common in French).

I think the adverb "now" may be another item in evidence: as the
writer uses it, it implies that something has changed to make reading
the paper impossible, but I suspect he simply means that it is
impossible "right now".

 
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Mike Lyle  
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 More options Jun 28 2011, 5:40 pm
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From: Mike Lyle <mike_lyle...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:40:31 +0100
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2011 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: out of question
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:31:08 -0400, "CDB" <bellema...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

Yes. And it may be helpful to explain that in this phrase, "question"
doesn't have its most common meaning, but (as CDB shows above in "It
can't be considered") in a few special uses it means the "subject for
discussion". In a committee meeting, for example, it may after
discussion be decided to "put the question": that is, to ask the
members to vote on the matter.

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