[British] Royal Navy abbreviations
Father Ignatius
there is reference to "Commanders (E) and (S)", and there maybe others.
And there's a reference to not worrying if someone's "G or T". And the
"Chief G.I." is definitely not a General Infantryman.
Anyone know what these abbrevations mean?
TIA
John Dean
> I'm just re-reading John Winton's "We Joined the Navy" (pub. 1959) and
> there is reference to "Commanders (E) and (S)", and there maybe
> others.
Commander (E) - Officer in charge of Engineering. here's one:
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/print.php?page=2938
Commander (S) - Officer in charge of Supply
Commander (F) - Officer in charge of flying operations
etc etc. You can usually work them out from the context.
> And there's a reference to not worrying if someone's "G or
> T".
Grog or Temperance. ie entitled or not entitled to the rum ration. (In
the days when there *was* a rum ration)
Here's a passbook with the very entry :
http://www.mikekemble.com/ww2/images/brain16.jpg
> And the "Chief G.I." is definitely not a General Infantryman.
Chief Gunnery Instructor. Terrifying figure.
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John Dean
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Jim Ward
>Here's a passbook with the very entry :
>http://www.mikekemble.com/ww2/images/brain16.jpg
Do Jews also have Christian names?
I saw "Gentlemen's Agreement" last night (with Netflix you can now
watch almost all of the Best Pictures (Wings is a notable exception,
I'd love to see it), I found out that I've seen pretty much every BP;
I also learned that 1947 was a bonnie year for anti-anti-Semitic
flicks, see Crossfire, which came from a novel against homophobia, but
Hollywood wasn't touching that issue until?) last night and was
cruising for the etymology of "sheeny" this morning (it appears to
have jumped the pond - http://tinyurl.com/7yqva), and I was thinking
that with the Internet, we probably won't have any more "etymology
unknown"s, because we can now Google up our etymologies.
Mike Lyle
[...]> Commander (E) - Officer in charge of Engineering. here's one:
> http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/print.php?page=2938
[...]
Where it says: <He joined HMS Ark Royal as the Commander E in
November 2003 and was re-appointed as the Commanding Officer on 31
May 2004.> They put a _tiffy_ in charge of a whole war-canoe? Bloody
Hell!
Mike.
John Dean
Better than a Jack Dusty
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Mike Lyle
Or a Schoolie: "Left hand down a bit, Number One -- no, hang on, I'll
just check with AUE first."
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Mike.
John Hatpin
"There's something wrong with our bloody sentences today."
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John H
Yorkshire, England
Joe Fineman
>> And the "Chief G.I." is definitely not a General Infantryman.
>
> Chief Gunnery Instructor. Terrifying figure.
While we're at it, how does it happen that O.D. stands for Ordinary
Seaman? Is there a suggestion of Demon?
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John Dean
> "John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> writes:
>
>>> And the "Chief G.I." is definitely not a General Infantryman.
>>
>> Chief Gunnery Instructor. Terrifying figure.
>
> While we're at it, how does it happen that O.D. stands for Ordinary
> Seaman? Is there a suggestion of Demon?
I don't think anyone is very clear where it originated. It's not
official usage - that would be O.S. or Ord. I've seen a suggestion it is
from OrDinary. But it's more a slang or jargon usage.
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John Dean
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Father Ignatius
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> Commander (S) - Officer in charge of Supply
> Commander (F) - Officer in charge of flying operations
> etc etc. You can usually work them out from the context.
Or not, which is why one posts these things. There was a Commander
(Air) in the book who was, since you mention it, officer in charge of
flying operations. I didn't post about that, cuz I got that one by
myself. And I was guessing that "(E)" meant "Education".
Since then, I've discovered a D.L.O. which I _do_ know (anyone want to
work that one out?) and the acronym N.O.R.W.I.C.H. that stands for
"Nickers Orf Ready When I Come Home".
R H Draney
>
>No demon. It's only a reminder of a well-known Canadian problem, the
>cold. This combined with a QWERTY keyboard and numb fingers frequently
>produced an "OD" when an "OS" was intended. With time, tradition and
>pragmatism, "OD" slipped its way into usage.
Remind me not to buy contact lenses from Canada....r
Mike Page
That's what Jackspeak thinks too.
Django Cat
Wasn't that in a Peter Cooke and Dudley Moore sketch? In which the
other acronym was BURMA?
DC
John Dean
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Charles Riggs
<john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
>Greta fucking Garbo?
You didn't like the great Greta Garbo, as an actress? How can that be?
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the Omrud
Close, but no banana. The NORWICH sketch was not Pete & Dud although
it was in Beyond The Fringe, with Alan Bennett as an upper class man
sending a telegram to his paramour: "Yes, I do know how to spell
Norwich, and I agree that in a perfect world it would be Korwich. I
did go to Oxford; it was one of the first things they taught us".
He couldn't use BURMA as the lady lived in a basement flat and if she
were upstairs she would in fact be in the flat of the docker living
above.
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Mark Browne
<1110361491.3ec87fc68454b466a82a738056842514@teranews>, the Omrud
<usenet...@gmail.com> writes
>
>He couldn't use BURMA as the lady lived in a basement flat and if she
>were upstairs she would in fact be in the flat of the docker living
>above.
The 'U' that I know means "undressed", which should not be a problem
even in a flat.
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the Omrud
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, In message
> <1110361491.3ec87fc68454b466a82a738056842514@teranews>, the Omrud
> <usenet...@gmail.com> writes
> >
> >He couldn't use BURMA as the lady lived in a basement flat and if she
> >were upstairs she would in fact be in the flat of the docker living
> >above.
>
> The 'U' that I know means "undressed", which should not be a problem
> even in a flat.
That must be the unexpurgated version.
Matti Lamprhey
> John Dean had it:
> > Django Cat wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Since then, I've discovered a D.L.O. which I _do_ know (anyone
> > >> want to work that one out?) and the acronym N.O.R.W.I.C.H. that
> > >> stands for "Nickers Orf Ready When I Come Home".
> > >
> > > Wasn't that in a Peter Cooke and Dudley Moore sketch? In which
> > > the other acronym was BURMA?
> >
> > Greta fucking Garbo?
>
> Close, but no banana. The NORWICH sketch was not Pete & Dud although
> it was in Beyond The Fringe, with Alan Bennett as an upper class man
> sending a telegram to his paramour: "Yes, I do know how to spell
> Norwich, and I agree that in a perfect world it would be Korwich. I
> did go to Oxford; it was one of the first things they taught us".
>
> He couldn't use BURMA as the lady lived in a basement flat and if she
> were upstairs she would in fact be in the flat of the docker living
> above.
Honourable mentions also go to ITALY, HOLLAND and EGYPT.
Matti
John Dean
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, In message
> <1110361491.3ec87fc68454b466a82a738056842514@teranews>, the Omrud
> <usenet...@gmail.com> writes
>>
>> He couldn't use BURMA as the lady lived in a basement flat and if she
>> were upstairs she would in fact be in the flat of the docker living
>> above.
>
> The 'U' that I know means "undressed", which should not be a problem
> even in a flat.
... especially if exhorted to b sharp.
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John Dean
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John Dean
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 00:27:11 -0000, "John Dean"
> <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
>
>> Greta fucking Garbo?
>
> You didn't like the great Greta Garbo, as an actress? How can that be?
Mention of Cook and Moore invokes Derek and Clive and Greta Garbo was a
pivotal figure in one of their greatest sketches. A quick Google
suggests the epithet may, in fact, have been "bloody".
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John Dean
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the Omrud
What's the worst job you ever had?
Django Cat
wrote:
Something to do with lobsters as I recall...
Django Cat
Ach, go on go on!
Matti Lamprhey
> "Matti Lamprhey" <ma...@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote:
> >> > Django Cat wrote:
> >> > > "Father Ignatius" <FatherI...@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Since then, I've discovered a D.L.O. which I _do_ know (anyone
> >> > >> want to work that one out?) and the acronym N.O.R.W.I.C.H.
> >> > >> that stands for "Nickers Orf Ready When I Come Home".
> >> > >
> >> > > Wasn't that in a Peter Cooke and Dudley Moore sketch? In which
> >> > > the other acronym was BURMA?
> >Honourable mentions also go to ITALY, HOLLAND and EGYPT.
>
Hint: google the list of those acronyms!
Matti
Mike Page
Be careful. She might turn out to be a minor.
John Dean
"Who do I turn to?" You know, "Who do I fucking get in touch with?"
"You should get in touch with the top man, ..."
I remember one of the guys who worked for me back in the 70s had got
hold of "Derek and Clive" which nobody else had heard of. He drove us
mad, riffing on this "Who do I get in touch with?" "Where do I go to
complain?" "Who is the top man?".
But strangely, even though we didn't know at the time where it all came
from, and even though he did it deadpan and without apparent comic
intent, we all found it hilarious and catching. Of course, when he
brought the D&C tapes in and we heard the original we were
uncontrollable.
I have to say, what with the prospect of catafalques and supine Beatlish
eponyms, that no-one remembers about getting the horn ...
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John Dean
Then I would be suspended.
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Mike Page
<john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote:
That would be natural.
John Dean
The opportunities for adding to this thread are much diminished.
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John Hatpin
Or we could just triader.
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don groves
Hatpin at jfho...@gmail.com hath writ:
True, we might even reach accord.
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R H Draney
If only during the interval....r
Mike Page
wrote:
It's more likely that we shall end up beating each other with staves.
Ross Howard
Page) wrought:
Rather extreme measures, don't you think?
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Robin Bignall
That sounds to be very crotchety behaviour.
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Django Cat
You'd all be barred.
DC
Django Cat
<ma...@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote:
Ah.
"WILFRID WILLIAMS BALL, R.B.A. (1853-1917) A landscape and marine
painter who lived in Putney and worked as an accountant until about
1877, painting in his spare time. From that date he exhibited
extensively at the Royal Academy and many other galleries. He
travelled to Germany, Italy, Holland and Egypt and settled in
Lymington in 1895. He died from heat-stroke in Khartoum."
That explains it all then...
DC
Matti Lamprhey
> "Matti Lamprhey" <ma...@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote:
> >> > [...]
> >> >Honourable mentions also go to ITALY, HOLLAND and EGYPT.
> >>
> >> Ach, go on go on!
> >
> >Hint: google the list of those acronyms!
>
>
> "WILFRID WILLIAMS BALL, R.B.A. (1853-1917) A landscape and marine
> painter who lived in Putney and worked as an accountant until about
> 1877, painting in his spare time. From that date he exhibited
> extensively at the Royal Academy and many other galleries. He
> travelled to Germany, Italy, Holland and Egypt and settled in
> Lymington in 1895. He died from heat-stroke in Khartoum."
>
> That explains it all then...
Betcha didn't google the full list, then. Including the best-known,
SWALK, helps.
No, I was thinking more of
http://www.rarebookreview.com/index.php?nav=regular&columnID=2
Matti
Robin Bignall
<ma...@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote:
>"Django Cat" <nos...@please.com> wrote...
>> "Matti Lamprhey" <ma...@official-totally-reversed.com> wrote:
>> >> > [...]
>> >> >Honourable mentions also go to ITALY, HOLLAND and EGYPT.
>> >>
>> >> Ach, go on go on!
>> >
>> >Hint: google the list of those acronyms!
>>
>> Ah.
>>
>> "WILFRID WILLIAMS BALL, R.B.A. (1853-1917) A landscape and marine
>> painter who lived in Putney and worked as an accountant until about
>> 1877, painting in his spare time. From that date he exhibited
>> extensively at the Royal Academy and many other galleries. He
>> travelled to Germany, Italy, Holland and Egypt and settled in
>> Lymington in 1895. He died from heat-stroke in Khartoum."
>>
>> That explains it all then...
>
>Betcha didn't google the full list, then. Including the best-known,
>SWALK, helps.
>
That one was useful, because you could easily change "kiss" to "kick"
when love's labours lost.
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R H Draney
You coda just asked....r
don groves
dado...@spamcop.net hath writ:
Could you repeat that?
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Mike Lyle
[...]
> Betcha didn't google the full list, then. Including the
best-known,
> SWALK, helps.
>
> No, I was thinking more of
> http://www.rarebookreview.com/index.php?nav=regular&columnID=2
But I don't get it about:
<FHBMIK, Family Hold Back More in Kitchen, was an indication that a
second helping should not be accepted before the guests had taken
theirs.>
FHB is routine, to the extent that one's hostess can say it with a
knowing smirk; but surely "MIK" renders it redundant?
Mike.
Matti Lamprhey
I'm not familiar with the maxim, but I would have thought the MIK means
"...and don't worry, because there's more in the kitchen later."
Matti
Mike Page
John Dean
"FHB" in my youth meant the family were expected to allow guests first
pick of what was on offer and, when their turn came, to be frugal in
their own choices. The information that there was more squirreled away
would have allowed us to appear even more generous than we were
pretending to be.
--
John Dean
Oxford
the Omrud
I heard this for the first time only in my 30s when somebody said it
to me at a training course where I was part of the company giving the
course (the delegates got first pick of the lunch). Either it wasn't
used in the Midlands during my childhood, or there wasn't enough food
to make it worth bothering about who went first.
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I guess it's al Fine then...
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R H Draney
Arrange a tacit understanding....r
Django Cat
What are you bassing that opinion on?
Django Cat
wrote:
Entirely new on me. It wouldn't have had a cat's chance in hell of
succeeding with the gannets in my family anyway.
DC, mixed metaphors? We got 'em.
don groves
Cat at nos...@please.com hath writ:
treble with that?
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"Father Ignatius" <FatherI...@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote in message
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> "John Dean" <john...@frag.lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:d0f1cv$re2$1...@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > Commander (S) - Officer in charge of Supply
> > Commander (F) - Officer in charge of flying operations
> > etc etc. You can usually work them out from the context.
>
> Or not, which is why one posts these things. There was a Commander
> (Air) in the book who was, since you mention it, officer in charge of
> flying operations. I didn't post about that, cuz I got that one by
> myself. And I was guessing that "(E)" meant "Education".
>
(Snip)
"Scuse my being a bit adrift with this, But FYI:
(E) means Engineering. (I) means Instructor. The branches are also
distinguished by coloured cloth between the gold braid commissioned officers
wore on their sleeve jacket sleeves. Purple is engineering, green is
electrical, instructor is light blue.
And ref. the Chief Gunnery Instructor: He was a non-commissioned officer,
usually a chief petty officer. The one I knew was the only naval person I
saw who wore leather gaiters, similar to those worn by a bishop of the
Anglican persuasion. (I think gunnery officers wore them, too.) I don't know
why they wore these things. Hell to keep polished I should think. I just
slapped Bluebell on mine, they were a white, heavy duck material anyway.
Cheers, Sage