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Marius Hancu  
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 More options Feb 9, 5:12 pm
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From: Marius Hancu <marius.ha...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:12:02 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Feb 9 2012 5:12 pm
Subject: not within who
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Hello:

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"I don't believe that the Marines involved would have ever used any
type of symbol associated the Nazi Germany military criminal
organization that committed mass atrocities in WWII," Chapin said.
"It's not within who we are as Marines."

http://tinyurl.com/7eqbex4
--

Is this "not within who we are" OK?

--
Thanks.
Marius Hancu


 
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Peter Duncanson (BrE)  
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From: "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <m...@peterduncanson.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:26:38 +0000
Local: Thurs, Feb 9 2012 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: not within who
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:12:02 -0800 (PST), Marius Hancu

<marius.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hello:

>--
>"I don't believe that the Marines involved would have ever used any
>type of symbol associated the Nazi Germany military criminal
>organization that committed mass atrocities in WWII," Chapin said.
>"It's not within who we are as Marines."

>http://tinyurl.com/7eqbex4
>--

>Is this "not within who we are" OK?

It's not fine rhetoric but it seems OK-ish to me.

Perhaps we should be grateful that she didn't say "It's not within our
DNA as Marines."

--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.usage.english)


 
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tony cooper  
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 More options Feb 9, 5:28 pm
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From: tony cooper <tony.cooper...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:28:32 -0500
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:12:02 -0800 (PST), Marius Hancu

<marius.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hello:

>--
>"I don't believe that the Marines involved would have ever used any
>type of symbol associated the Nazi Germany military criminal
>organization that committed mass atrocities in WWII," Chapin said.
>"It's not within who we are as Marines."

>http://tinyurl.com/7eqbex4
>--

>Is this "not within who we are" OK?

Sounds awkward, but - given the entire sentence - I don't see it to be
not-OK.

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida


 
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Jerry Friedman  
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 More options Feb 9, 5:19 pm
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From: Jerry Friedman <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:19:24 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Feb 9 2012 5:19 pm
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On Feb 9, 3:12 pm, Marius Hancu <marius.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello:

> --
> "I don't believe that the Marines involved would have ever used any
> type of symbol associated the Nazi Germany military criminal
> organization that committed mass atrocities in WWII," Chapin said.
> "It's not within who we are as Marines."

> http://tinyurl.com/7eqbex4
> --

> Is this "not within who we are" OK?

Yes, although not graceful, in my opinion.  It means "It's not within
our identity as Marines."

--
Jerry Friedman


 
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Duggy  
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 More options Feb 9, 7:12 pm
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From: Duggy <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:12:15 -0800 (PST)
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On Feb 10, 8:19 am, Jerry Friedman <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Does "It isn't within who we are as Marines" work better or come out
the same (or worse)?

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= DUG.
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Marius Hancu  
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 More options Feb 9, 9:06 pm
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From: Marius Hancu <marius.ha...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 18:06:30 -0800 (PST)
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On Feb 9, 5:19 pm, Jerry Friedman <jerry_fried...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > --
> > "I don't believe that the Marines involved would have ever used any
> > type of symbol associated the Nazi Germany military criminal
> > organization that committed mass atrocities in WWII," Chapin said.
> > "It's not within who we are as Marines."

> >http://tinyurl.com/7eqbex4
> > --

> > Is this "not within who we are" OK?

> Yes, although not graceful, in my opinion.  It means "It's not within
> our identity as Marines."

Glad I'm not alone.

Thank you all.
Marius Hancu


 
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Joe Fineman  
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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:23:10 -0500
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Grammatically, one may parse the substantival clause "who we are" as
the object of the preposition "within".

However, the spokesperson would have had my admiration & gratitude if
he had eschewed identityese & said "in line with our honor (or
principles, or whatever he meant) as Marines".
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---  Joe Fineman    jo...@verizon.net

||:  Wag more, bark less.  ||


 
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Eric Walker  
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From: Eric Walker <em...@owlcroft.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:31:43 +0000 (UTC)
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:12:02 -0800, Marius Hancu wrote:
> "I don't believe that the Marines involved would have ever used any type
> of symbol associated the Nazi Germany military criminal organization
> that committed mass atrocities in WWII," Chapin said. "It's not within
> who we are as Marines."

> Is this "not within who we are" OK?

That depends on how much slack one is willing to cut extemporaneous
speech.  I wouldn't court-martial him for it.

--
Cordially,
Eric Walker


 
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