Faulkner: until then after

[Marius Hancu]

Hello:

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[...] the car rolling on its own momentum which carried it still too
fast through a slewing skidding turn into the dirt road and on for
fifty yards bouncing among the ruts until the last of flat land died
headlong into the first gentle slant, its momentum still carrying the
car in high speed gear yet up the incline until then after he saw the
tracks where Aleck Sander had driven the pickup off the road into the
bushes [...]

Intruder in the Dust
William Faulkner
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"until then after": necessary all of them??

Thanks.
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Marius Hancu

[quia...@yahoo.com]

I'd be inclined to interpolate a comma after "until then", with "after
he saw..." separate.

--
John

[Mike L]

I'll need context to satisfy me that it isn't simply a mistake. When
is "then", precisely?

--
Mike.

[Horace LaBadie]

In article <450tp8hbs0rlg9pgo...@4ax.com>,

When the coasting car rolled to a stop, having lost momentum, presumably
at the top of the incline. The sentence seems designed to represent the
motion of the car.

[Mike L]

Yes, looks like it. But "then" doesn't cover that, so I'll stick with
"probably a mistake".

--
Mike.

[Horace LaBadie]

In article <4bnvp81ahfe76nlri...@4ax.com>,

It continued "until then" -- after he saw the tracks.

[Mike L]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 18:14:36 -0400, Horace LaBadie

I don't mind lack of logic if it conveys feeling or atmosphere; but
this does nothing except interrupt the reading.

--
Mike.

[Horace LaBadie]

In article <6fa2q89ffcivipckh...@4ax.com>,

Pretty much the point, mimicking the motion of the car, which stops. But
it isn't a mistake.

[Mike L]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 17:51:59 -0400, Horace LaBadie

This could drag on, but I really don't think I could ever put "then"
in there. "Until then" seems to me to use "then" to refer to a time
already known to the reader. "Then after" would go in something like
"He got to the top; then, after seeing tracks, he walked over..."
"Until after" would work in "The car coasted until after he saw the
tracks..." I can't do much here with "until then after". A quibble, I
dare say, but this is a.u.e.

--
Mike.

[Horace LaBadie]

In article <ddr4q852o2vomus8q...@4ax.com>,

Mike L <n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 25 May 2013 17:51:59 -0400, Horace LaBadie
> <hlab...@nospam.com> wrote:

SNIP

> >> >It continued "until then" -- after he saw the tracks.
> >>
> >> I don't mind lack of logic if it conveys feeling or atmosphere; but
> >> this does nothing except interrupt the reading.
> >
> >Pretty much the point, mimicking the motion of the car, which stops. But
> >it isn't a mistake.
>
> This could drag on, but I really don't think I could ever put "then"
> in there. "Until then" seems to me to use "then" to refer to a time
> already known to the reader. "Then after" would go in something like
> "He got to the top; then, after seeing tracks, he walked over..."
> "Until after" would work in "The car coasted until after he saw the
> tracks..." I can't do much here with "until then after". A quibble, I
> dare say, but this is a.u.e.

Faulkner made a stylistic choice. Such is the life of a writer.