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tjb

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Jun 26, 2006, 7:36:09 AM6/26/06
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People would typically use a comma after the 'sorry' in something like the
following:

"Sorry, I didn't see you there."

Is a comma correct there? It just doesn't seem right to me somehow.

Also, people often use a comma after the "sorry" in the following, but I
tend to use a semi-colon:

"I'm sorry; I didn't see you there."

Am I right, or are they? Or is neither of us?

dontbother

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Jun 26, 2006, 8:06:13 AM6/26/06
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tjb <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

This is one of those dialogue-writing problems. I wouldn't use a comma
unless the "sorry" were followed by "but". Without the "but", I'd say the
comma should be a period (full stop), not a semi-colon.

Professional writers, however, will use the comma in both cases, and no one
will complain. It's only when there's no comma that a problem of meaning,
stress, and intonation arises.


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tjb

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Jun 26, 2006, 8:21:02 AM6/26/06
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dontbother <dontb...@mushmail.mom> wrote:

>> People would typically use a comma after the 'sorry' in something like
>> the following:
>>
>> "Sorry, I didn't see you there."
>>
>> Is a comma correct there? It just doesn't seem right to me somehow.
>>
>> Also, people often use a comma after the "sorry" in the following, but
>> I tend to use a semi-colon:
>>
>> "I'm sorry; I didn't see you there."
>>
>> Am I right, or are they? Or is neither of us?
>
> This is one of those dialogue-writing problems. I wouldn't use a comma
> unless the "sorry" were followed by "but". Without the "but", I'd say the
> comma should be a period (full stop), not a semi-colon.

Just to check -- are you applying that to the first example (the one
without the "I'm") as well?

> Professional writers, however, will use the comma in both cases, and no one
> will complain. It's only when there's no comma that a problem of meaning,
> stress, and intonation arises.

Acknowledged.

dontbother

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Jun 26, 2006, 9:03:49 AM6/26/06
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tjb <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> dontbother <dontb...@mushmail.mom> wrote:
>
>>> People would typically use a comma after the 'sorry' in something
>>> like the following:
>>>
>>> "Sorry, I didn't see you there."
>>>
>>> Is a comma correct there? It just doesn't seem right to me somehow.
>>>
>>> Also, people often use a comma after the "sorry" in the following,
>>> but I tend to use a semi-colon:
>>>
>>> "I'm sorry; I didn't see you there."
>>>
>>> Am I right, or are they? Or is neither of us?
>>
>> This is one of those dialogue-writing problems. I wouldn't use a
>> comma unless the "sorry" were followed by "but". Without the "but",
>> I'd say the comma should be a period (full stop), not a semi-colon.
>
> Just to check -- are you applying that to the first example (the one
> without the "I'm") as well?

Yes, I'd say that there's no significant grammatical difference between
the two despite the second one's having a subject and verb in front of
the "sorry". "Sorry" and "I'm sorry" are both complete sentences in
dialogue. The first is elliptical; the second, complete.

>
>> Professional writers, however, will use the comma in both cases, and
>> no one will complain. It's only when there's no comma that a problem
>> of meaning, stress, and intonation arises.
>
> Acknowledged.
>

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HVS

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Jun 26, 2006, 9:10:58 AM6/26/06
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On 26 Jun 2006, tjb wrote

> People would typically use a comma after the 'sorry' in
> something like the following:
>
> "Sorry, I didn't see you there."
>
> Is a comma correct there? It just doesn't seem right to me
> somehow.

Do you mean "is a comma needed at all?" I'd say that the comma
changes the meaning.

Without any context, I'd take "Sorry, I didn't see you there" to
mean something like "Oops -- I didn't realise you were standing
there". My default reading of "Sorry I didn't see you there",
though, would be "I regret that although we were at the same event,
I didn't meet up with you".

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Skitt

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Jun 26, 2006, 3:04:01 PM6/26/06
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HVS wrote:
> tjb wrote

>> People would typically use a comma after the 'sorry' in
>> something like the following:
>>
>> "Sorry, I didn't see you there."
>>
>> Is a comma correct there? It just doesn't seem right to me
>> somehow.
>
> Do you mean "is a comma needed at all?" I'd say that the comma
> changes the meaning.
>
> Without any context, I'd take "Sorry, I didn't see you there" to
> mean something like "Oops -- I didn't realise you were standing
> there". My default reading of "Sorry I didn't see you there",
> though, would be "I regret that although we were at the same event,
> I didn't meet up with you".

I agree.
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tjb

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Jun 27, 2006, 5:35:00 AM6/27/06
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HVS <harve...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Do you mean "is a comma needed at all?" I'd say that the comma
> changes the meaning.

Oh, I was wondering whether a comma would be considered the most suitable
punctuation character to use there. Excuse my lack of clarity.

tjb

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Jun 27, 2006, 5:35:02 AM6/27/06
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dontbother <dontb...@mushmail.mom> wrote:

>> Just to check -- are you applying that to the first example (the one
>> without the "I'm") as well?
>
> Yes, I'd say that there's no significant grammatical difference between
> the two despite the second one's having a subject and verb in front of
> the "sorry". "Sorry" and "I'm sorry" are both complete sentences in
> dialogue. The first is elliptical; the second, complete.

Thanks.

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