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Koidu

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Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
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Please explain: what does the expression 'life drawing' exactly
mean? For example, somebody is taking courses in life drawing or
somebody opens a portfolio and looks at some still lifes, some
sketches and 2-3 life drawings.

Thank you in advance,

Koidu


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Lea V. Usin

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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Koidu (koiduN...@dk.ee.invalid) writes:
> Please explain: what does the expression 'life drawing' exactly
> mean? For example, somebody is taking courses in life drawing or
> somebody opens a portfolio and looks at some still lifes, some
> sketches and 2-3 life drawings.

The essential difference is whether or not the subject of the drawing is
animate or inanimate. The stereotypical still life is of a bowl of fruit
on a table whereas a life drawing would have a nude lying on the table
(bowl optional<g>). Often the term has the connotation of being a study
piece, something done to hone one's eye and technique, though this is not
a necessary part of the meaning. Somewhere there's a hazy line where a
still life and a life drawing cross over to become scenes. For instance,
I would call two bowls of fruit on a table a still life, but a whole
grocery store full of fruit is something else, just as a life drawing
might have two or three figures but a whole crowd of people going about
their business no longer qualifies.

Cheers, Lea
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Lea V. Usin
ac...@ncf.ca


SLHinton17

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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On Wed, Feb 23, 2000, Koidu koiduN...@dk.ee.invalid, wrote:

>Please explain: what does the expression 'life drawing' exactly
>mean? For example, somebody is taking courses in life drawing or
>somebody opens a portfolio and looks at some still lifes, some
>sketches and 2-3 life drawings.

*************************
"Life drawings" are usually studies of the human figure or face, generally
drawn with a living model as the object. The word "drawing" connotes a work in
charcoal, Conte crayon, pencil, or pen and ink -- not a painting. Sketches, by
the way, can be quickly done still lifes, life drawings, landscapes, etc..

Be not the first by whom the new are tried,
Nor yet the last to lay the old aside. (Pope)
Sam Hinton
La Jolla, CA


James Follett

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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slhin...@aol.com "SLHinton17" wrote:

>"Life drawings" are usually studies of the human figure or face, generally
>drawn with a living model as the object. The word "drawing" connotes a work in
>charcoal, Conte crayon, pencil, or pen and ink -- not a painting. Sketches, by
>the way, can be quickly done still lifes, life drawings, landscapes, etc..

Wasn't it usual for artists to prepare cartoons (Italian: cartone)
to enable their prelinaries to be traced onto wall or canvas? Were
not these "drawings"?

--
James Follett -- novelist http://www.davew.demon.co.uk


Stan Brown

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Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
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Said koiduN...@dk.ee.invalid (Koidu) in alt.usage.english:

>Please explain: what does the expression 'life drawing' exactly
>mean? For example, somebody is taking courses in life drawing or
>somebody opens a portfolio and looks at some still lifes, some
>sketches and 2-3 life drawings.

In life drawing the subject is living, usually a living human.

In still life, by way of contrast, the subjects are dead plants,
animals, or both.

English is a very strange language!

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Charles Riggs

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Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:17:05 -0800, Koidu
<koiduN...@dk.ee.invalid> wrote:

>Please explain: what does the expression 'life drawing' exactly
>mean? For example, somebody is taking courses in life drawing or
>somebody opens a portfolio and looks at some still lifes, some
>sketches and 2-3 life drawings.

Life drawings are drawings made employing a nude model. She, or he,
can be one of the members of the class who volunteers or a
professional model may be hired.

Charles Riggs

Skitt

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Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
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"Koidu" <koiduN...@dk.ee.invalid> wrote in message
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> Please explain: what does the expression 'life drawing' exactly
> mean? For example, somebody is taking courses in life drawing or
> somebody opens a portfolio and looks at some still lifes, some
> sketches and 2-3 life drawings.

A lesson in life drawing:

1) Get a sketch pad
2) Undress
3) Stand in front of a mirror
4) Sketch an image of yourself
5) Admire results and the model ;-)
--
Skitt (on Florida's Space Coast) http://skitt.i.am/
CAUTION: My veracity is under a limited warranty


Koidu

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Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
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In article <IEe2OAT41qIZxopW5wzf3qrYDCr=@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs

<chr...@gofree.indigo.ie> wrote:
>
>Life drawings are drawings made employing a nude model. She, or
he,
>can be one of the members of the class who volunteers or a
>professional model may be hired.

Are you sure - that life drawings must have a *nude* model? The
others who have answered don't seem to think that's relevant.
This particular issue is very important for my translation.

Thanks,

Petronius

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Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
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> >Life drawings are drawings made employing a nude model. She, or
> he,
> >can be one of the members of the class who volunteers or a
> >professional model may be hired.
>
> Are you sure - that life drawings must have a *nude* model? The
> others who have answered don't seem to think that's relevant.
> This particular issue is very important for my translation.
>
It is essential for the subject to be nude, otherwise the artist would be
drawing a portrait. Drawing can include colour work, as work with pastels
(which is really somewhere between painting and drawing) or coloured pencils
count as drawing. Somebody once told me that, in portrait drawing or
painting, the artist has to "hang the clothes on the naked body", so should
first be able to draw the human form, but that just sounds like an excuse to
me.

Mind you, I have always preferred life drawing to doing portraits (long ago,
when I used to paint and draw).

--
PAB
http://www.buchwald.dircon.co.uk

ChenHA

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Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
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Petronius wrote:

> > >Life drawings are drawings made employing a nude model. She, or
> > he,
> > >can be one of the members of the class who volunteers or a
> > >professional model may be hired.
> >
> > Are you sure - that life drawings must have a *nude* model? The
> > others who have answered don't seem to think that's relevant.
> > This particular issue is very important for my translation.
> >
> It is essential for the subject to be nude, otherwise the artist would be
> drawing a portrait.

Er, no. Life drawings are studies of the human form. While this may be best
done when the subject is nude, it is not absolutely essential. All the life
drawing classes I have been to in this country had nude models, although at
other times or in other more conservative country things may be different. I
remember seeing a TV programme that showed Quentin Crisp, wearing a posing
strap, working as a model in a life drawing class. While he may considered
himself naked, I won't say that he is nude.

Charles Riggs

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Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:54:42 -0800, Koidu
<koiduN...@dk.ee.invalid> wrote:

>In article <IEe2OAT41qIZxopW5wzf3qrYDCr=@4ax.com>, Charles Riggs

><chr...@gofree.indigo.ie> wrote:
>>
>>Life drawings are drawings made employing a nude model. She, or
>he,
>>can be one of the members of the class who volunteers or a
>>professional model may be hired.
>
>Are you sure - that life drawings must have a *nude* model? The
>others who have answered don't seem to think that's relevant.
>This particular issue is very important for my translation.

I don't suppose it is essential, but in every life drawing class I've
heard of the models were nude.

Charles Riggs

SLHinton17

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Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
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On Fri, Feb 25, 2000 11:06 PM, Charles Riggs chr...@gofree.indigo.ie, wrote:

>I don't suppose it is essential, but in every life drawing class I've
>heard of the models were nude.

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In my experience, this depends upon the financial status of the organization
offering the class: nude models are expensive! I have often been in a group
where members of the group took turns posing, usually fully clad, although
sometimes a man would remove his shirt. We still called it Life Drawing.

Koidu

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Feb 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/29/00
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Many thanks to everybody who contributed to this thread! I
understand that it is not essential for the model to be nude in
what you call life drawing, but that the models usually are
nude. I still have to think about the translation of 'life
drawing', as the translation as 'nude' doesn't seem to be quite
appropriate and I don't know the good expression in the Estonian
language.

Petronius

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Feb 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/29/00
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> Many thanks to everybody who contributed to this thread! I
> understand that it is not essential for the model to be nude in
> what you call life drawing,

In my understanding, it is essential for the model to be nude. If the model
is not nude, you are not (by definition) doing a life study, but a portrait.
Perhaps "Life Drawing" means different things in different countries.

--
PAB
http://www.buchwald.dircon.co.uk

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