Observed in the wild: "to language"
Father Ignatius
thoughts and feelings."
Googling on "to language" turns out not to be helpful, as too many "Welcome
to Language Lab"-type hits come up, but googling on "trying to language"
produced 367 hits for me. Some of these were spurious ("Well, at least
trying to. Language, just like the rest of it...") but stuff like this also
came up:
- So you're trying to language those things.
- Talking about God, about Who He is, "interfacing" with Him through trying
to language His reality.. (Article: "Languaging God")
- "Keep trying to language the inverse of the limiting belief until you hit
language that works for you..."
- "on this thread I was trying to language something I have not heard
languaged..."
The dominant contexts of usage, just going by casual checking out of google
hits, seem to be the difficulties of childish expression or trying to
express the nature of the divine. But I can't see what nuances or
connotations "to language" may have that "to articulate" or even "to
express".
I've never heard this usage before. "Comments?"
--
Nat
R H Draney
>
>The dominant contexts of usage, just going by casual checking out of google
>hits, seem to be the difficulties of childish expression or trying to
>express the nature of the divine. But I can't see what nuances or
>connotations "to language" may have that "to articulate" or even "to
>express".
>
>I've never heard this usage before. "Comments?"
How do you feel about "to reify"?...
I like the neologism...makes a nice change of pace....r
Peter Duncanson
or "to put into words" or "to describe".
>I've never heard this usage before. "Comments?"
<impolite>
--
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from a.u.e)
Father Ignatius
news:dsqgj...@drn.newsguy.com...
> How do you feel about "to reify"?...
Up to now, no feelings, arising from no having heard it before. But it
turns out AHD has it: http://www.bartleby.com/61/6/R0130600.html.
So far, my system seems to be absorbing it with equanimity.
Mike Lyle
> In the context of, "What you are trying to do is to language your
> inchoate thoughts and feelings."
>
> I've never heard this usage before. "Comments?"
This is the kind of thing we always, and often most unfairly, assume
must be an Americanism. The proper verb to use in this context is, of
course, "to eff".
--
Mike.
the Omrud
<sings>
Immortal, ineffable God only wise ...
<desists>
Does Laura know any 19th Century CoE/Methodist hymns? If not, she
may not have been afflicted with STS by this.
--
David
=====
replace usenet with the
Wood Avens
wrote:
>Mike Lyle <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> had it:
>> This is the kind of thing we always, and often most unfairly, assume
>> must be an Americanism. The proper verb to use in this context is, of
>> course, "to eff".
>
><sings>
>Immortal, ineffable God only wise ...
><desists>
>
>Does Laura know any 19th Century CoE/Methodist hymns? If not, she
>may not have been afflicted with STS by this.
" O measureless Might,
Ineffable Love", shirley. Quite a different tune. And nothing
invisible about it.
--
Katy Jennison
spamtrap: remove the first two letters after the @
K. Edgcombe
the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><sings>
>Immortal, ineffable God only wise ...
><desists>
>
>Does Laura know any 19th Century CoE/Methodist hymns? If not, she
>may not have been afflicted with STS by this.
Perhaps not, but she's not the only sufferer, you know.
Katy
Stephen Calder
I don't like it. I hope it goes away.
It doesn't seem to say any more than "express".
--
Stephen
Lennox Head, Australia
Father Ignatius
news:dsqshl$s7c$1...@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk...
Immortal, invisible, God only wise.
You followed me to Texas, you followed me to Utah...
Help Me Make it Through the Night.
The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face
Now thank we all our God
Praise, my soul, the King of Heaven
Sealed with a kiss
Ponchielli's Dance of the Hours
Mexican Hat Dance
Hello Mudduh, Hello Fadduh!
Morning has broken, like the first morning...
You are my sunshine
You are the sunshine of my life
Trailers for sale or rent, rooms to let for fifty cents...
King of the Road
I want you to tell me why you walked out on me...
When a child is born...
By the rivers of Babylon...
The Last Thing I Needed The Firsat Thing This Morning...
I Once Was Lost, But Now am Found...
Love Unspoken, Faith Unbroken...
Oh, What a Beautiful Morning!
And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson...
Well I gotta get drunk and I sure do dread it.. and I'll wind up singin the
blues
My love is warmer than the warmest sunshine...
Goodbye, Joe. Me gotta go, me, oh my oh...
In the evenin', in the evenin'. Baby, when the sun goes down...
When I get where I am going, on the far side of the sky...
Well, I'm in the doghouse agin...
She said, "I'd like to address this meeting of the Harper Valley P.T.A."
Workin' 9 to 5, What a way to make a livin'
Summertime, when the livin' is easy...
Here you come again, Just when I'm about to make it work without you
The falling leaves drift by the window
Ain't that a kick in the head?
Rivers flow backwards, Valleys are high, Mountains are level, Truth is a lie
If I Were a Rich Man...
Your cheatin' heart will tell on you
I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry
Spargi d'Amaro Pianto
Don't Sleep in the Subway, Darling...
It Wasn't God Who Made Honky-Tonk Angels.
I Will Follow Him
Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain
Our great Mikado, Virtuous Man...
Iskandar Baharuddin
<FatherI...@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:
I think Calvin (of "Calvin and Hobbes") summed it up nicely:
"Verbing weirds the language."
Laura F. Spira
>
> <sings>
> Immortal, ineffable God only wise ...
> <desists>
>
> Does Laura know any 19th Century CoE/Methodist hymns? If not, she
> may not have been afflicted with STS by this.
>
Yes, it may surprise you to know that the pages of A&M were once very
familiar to me and I have always enjoyed singing hymns, although my
parents disapproved a bit when I sang them around the house and Husband
adopts a quizzical look and changes the channel when I join in with
Songs of Praise. I know quite a few carols, too.
We have a limited number of rousing tunes in the synagogue service and
the traditional tunes of Anglo-Jewry (which have much in common with
hymn tunes) have been ousted in many cases by modern Israeli ones.
--
Laura
(emulate St. George for email)
the Omrud
> the Omrud wrote:
> >
> > <sings>
> > Immortal, ineffable God only wise ...
> > <desists>
> >
> > Does Laura know any 19th Century CoE/Methodist hymns? If not, she
> > may not have been afflicted with STS by this.
>
> Yes, it may surprise you to know that the pages of A&M were once very
> familiar to me and I have always enjoyed singing hymns, although my
> parents disapproved a bit when I sang them around the house and Husband
> adopts a quizzical look and changes the channel when I join in with
> Songs of Praise. I know quite a few carols, too.
Good on you. Lifelong atheists also enjoy a rousing hymn, although I
draw the line at "Onward, Christian soldiers".
> We have a limited number of rousing tunes in the synagogue service and
> the traditional tunes of Anglo-Jewry (which have much in common with
> hymn tunes) have been ousted in many cases by modern Israeli ones.
I was at a christening a week ago, standing next to Daughter. She
couldn't join in with the hymns until the third or fourth verse of
each - somebody must have neglected her education.
Laura F. Spira
> Laura F. Spira <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> had it:
>
>
>>the Omrud wrote:
>>
>>><sings>
>>>Immortal, ineffable God only wise ...
>>><desists>
>>>
>>>Does Laura know any 19th Century CoE/Methodist hymns? If not, she
>>>may not have been afflicted with STS by this.
>>
>>Yes, it may surprise you to know that the pages of A&M were once very
>>familiar to me and I have always enjoyed singing hymns, although my
>>parents disapproved a bit when I sang them around the house and Husband
>>adopts a quizzical look and changes the channel when I join in with
>>Songs of Praise. I know quite a few carols, too.
>
>
> Good on you. Lifelong atheists also enjoy a rousing hymn, although I
> draw the line at "Onward, Christian soldiers".
Good tune, though - you can always sing "Lloyd George knew my father" to it.
>
>
>>We have a limited number of rousing tunes in the synagogue service and
>>the traditional tunes of Anglo-Jewry (which have much in common with
>>hymn tunes) have been ousted in many cases by modern Israeli ones.
>
>
> I was at a christening a week ago, standing next to Daughter. She
> couldn't join in with the hymns until the third or fourth verse of
> each - somebody must have neglected her education.
>
I think the school assemblies we knew are long gone. I doubt whether our
children know any hymns beyond "We plough the fields and scatter".
But - do you mean she didn't know the tunes? To know the words of the
third or fourth verse is quite impressive.
the Omrud
> the Omrud wrote:
>
> > Good on you. Lifelong atheists also enjoy a rousing hymn, although I
> > draw the line at "Onward, Christian soldiers".
>
> Good tune, though - you can always sing "Lloyd George knew my father" to it.
Or, more likely, "Lloyd George knew my mother".
> I think the school assemblies we knew are long gone. I doubt whether our
> children know any hymns beyond "We plough the fields and scatter".
And "All Things Bright and Beautiful".
> But - do you mean she didn't know the tunes? To know the words of the
> third or fourth verse is quite impressive.
Ah, yes indeed, it was the tunes she was ignorant of, although she
was able to pick up as the hymn went along, and she could have read
the music if any had been provided. Perhaps unsurprisingly, in these
days of Modern Christianity, the words were Powerpointed and
projected onto a screen above our heads, one verse at a time, which
meant that we had to sing with our necks craned back. Actually, they
were also printed in a "book" which was provided for each pew-sitter,
but for some reason the words in the book and the words on the screen
differed ever so slightly.
I like to put the congregation off a little by strongly singing the
bass line to hymns. All of these were engraved on my memory during
five years of sight-reading hymns at the front of assembly, as part
of the school choir. If the hymn was four verses or more, then the
choir sang the penultimate verse unaccompanied, and unencumbered by
the massed school.
John Dean
> In the context of, "What you are trying to do is to language your
> inchoate thoughts and feelings."
>
>
Unsurprisingly, it's been around for centuries. Earliest in OED is "
1636 Abp. Williams Holy Table (1637) 95 Learn, Doctour, learn to
language this Sacrament from a Prelate of this Church."
--
John Dean
Oxford
Blue Hornet
It is to laugh. Or to cry, one.
R H Draney
"Get up in the mornin'
Sleeping for bread, sir.
Sold out to every monk
And beef-head.
Oh Oh
Me ears are alight.
Why find my kids
They buck up and a-leave me.
Darling Cheese head
I was yards too greasy.
Oh Oh
Me ears are alight."
....r
Tony Cooper
<bren...@mcpc.net.au> wrote:
>I think Calvin (of "Calvin and Hobbes") summed it up nicely:
>
>"Verbing weirds the language."
Heard by the commentator on the Olympic coverage: "This is a
competitor who could definitely podium". I thought I had misheard,
but the same commentator referred later to a different person who
could podium.
--
Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
Laura F. Spira
Perhaps unsurprisingly, in these
> days of Modern Christianity, the words were Powerpointed and
> projected onto a screen above our heads, one verse at a time, which
> meant that we had to sing with our necks craned back. Actually, they
> were also printed in a "book" which was provided for each pew-sitter,
> but for some reason the words in the book and the words on the screen
> differed ever so slightly.
It's a long time since I attended any sort of church service but I am
certainly surprised to leanr that Powerpoint has invaded churches. Was
there a bouncing ball as well? I suppose karaoke machines could also be
used.
>
> I like to put the congregation off a little by strongly singing the
> bass line to hymns. All of these were engraved on my memory during
> five years of sight-reading hymns at the front of assembly, as part
> of the school choir. If the hymn was four verses or more, then the
> choir sang the penultimate verse unaccompanied, and unencumbered by
> the massed school.
>
Our community has a very active choir but, for various reasons, they do
not sing in synagogue services as a choir but remain scattered through
the assembled congregation where they often flummox those close to them
by singing in unexpected ways.
Jim Lawton
<FatherI...@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:
1) Awful, and "articulate" is such a nice verb.
2) Why doesn't Google allow punctuation in search terms when they are in
quotation marks?
3) The quotation marks around "Comments?" make me itchy.
--
Jim
a Yorkshire polymoth
Alan Jones
"Laura F. Spira" <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dsrupi$9nc$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> the Omrud wrote:
>
> Perhaps unsurprisingly, in these
>> days of Modern Christianity, the words were Powerpointed and projected
>> onto a screen above our heads, one verse at a time, which meant that we
>> had to sing with our necks craned back. Actually, they were also printed
>> in a "book" which was provided for each pew-sitter, but for some reason
>> the words in the book and the words on the screen differed ever so
>> slightly.
>
> It's a long time since I attended any sort of church service but I am
> certainly surprised to leanr that Powerpoint has invaded churches. Was
> there a bouncing ball as well? I suppose karaoke machines could also be
> used.
The New Evangelicals need New Hymns, or rather "worship songs". Those they
wish to sing are scattered across many different books, and it's therefore
convenient to project the words on to a screen or to create a printed
collection in ring-binders or suchlike (presumably what the Omrud means by
his quotes round "book"?) There is a publishers' agreement that makes this
legal if certain conditions are met and a licence issued.
I can't account for variations between screen and "book", but even
traditional hymns are not consistently worded - sometimes because the
original has been doctored for "inclusivity". Perhaps the Powerpoint and
"book" versions came ready-made from different sources; it's possible now to
get hymns and worship songs in suitable forms for photocopying or
projection, and CDs to provide verse-by-verse accompaniments recorded by an
organist or a "worship group" of guitar, piano, flute and so on (does this
count as karaoke, Laura?). The supply of competent organists seems almost to
have dried up, at least in this rural area, and for weddings and funerals
the few people like me who can sort-of-play the organ have to do our best to
oblige ("No, my dear, it will have to be the Mendelssohn - I can't play the
Widor Toccata . . .") If even that amateurish help is unavailable, the CD
will have to do.
Alan Jones
Lanarcam
Jim Lawton wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:19:39 +0200, "Father Ignatius"
> <FatherI...@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> wrote:
>
> >In the context of, "What you are trying to do is to language your inchoate
> >thoughts and feelings."
> >
> >Googling on "to language" turns out not to be helpful, as too many "Welcome
> >to Language Lab"-type hits come up, but googling on "trying to language"
> >produced 367 hits for me. Some of these were spurious ("Well, at least
> >trying to. Language, just like the rest of it...") but stuff like this also
> >came up:
> >
> >- So you're trying to language those things.
> >- Talking about God, about Who He is, "interfacing" with Him through trying
> >to language His reality.. (Article: "Languaging God")
> >- "Keep trying to language the inverse of the limiting belief until you hit
> >language that works for you..."
> >- "on this thread I was trying to language something I have not heard
> >languaged..."
> >
> >The dominant contexts of usage, just going by casual checking out of google
> >hits, seem to be the difficulties of childish expression or trying to
> >express the nature of the divine. But I can't see what nuances or
> >connotations "to language" may have that "to articulate" or even "to
> >express".
> >
> >I've never heard this usage before. "Comments?"
>
> 1) Awful, and "articulate" is such a nice verb.
What about "verbalise"?
Jim Lawton
I think that's just expressing in speech, whereas the sense required is
better expressed - in my opinion of course - by "articulate", expressing
in coherent verbal form.
the Omrud
> the Omrud wrote:
>
> > Perhaps unsurprisingly, in these
> > days of Modern Christianity, the words were Powerpointed and
> > projected onto a screen above our heads, one verse at a time, which
> > meant that we had to sing with our necks craned back. Actually, they
> > were also printed in a "book" which was provided for each pew-sitter,
> > but for some reason the words in the book and the words on the screen
> > differed ever so slightly.
>
> It's a long time since I attended any sort of church service but I am
> certainly surprised to leanr that Powerpoint has invaded churches. Was
> there a bouncing ball as well? I suppose karaoke machines could also be
> used.
Ah, no, sadly there was no bouncing ball, a fact which I pointed out
to Daughter at the time. But the accompaniment was clearly coming
off a tape or possibly the same computer as the Powerpoint, as there
was nobody sitting at the organ console.
It's a fairly "modern" church (although in an ancient building), with
toddlers and small children running rampant throughout the service.
One of the little beasts was allowed to climb into the pulpit and
turn pages on the big bible, pretending to address the congregation,
all the time that the vicar was talking to us about Jesus. And his
own child was allowed to run around the altar throughout. We were
not impressed, but I suppose I don't have any right to tell them how
to conduct their own gathering.
the Omrud
>
> "Laura F. Spira" <la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:dsrupi$9nc$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > the Omrud wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps unsurprisingly, in these
> >> days of Modern Christianity, the words were Powerpointed and projected
> >> onto a screen above our heads, one verse at a time, which meant that we
> >> had to sing with our necks craned back. Actually, they were also printed
> >> in a "book" which was provided for each pew-sitter, but for some reason
> >> the words in the book and the words on the screen differed ever so
> >> slightly.
> >
> > It's a long time since I attended any sort of church service but I am
> > certainly surprised to leanr that Powerpoint has invaded churches. Was
> > there a bouncing ball as well? I suppose karaoke machines could also be
> > used.
> [...]
>
> The New Evangelicals need New Hymns, or rather "worship songs". Those they
> wish to sing are scattered across many different books, and it's therefore
> convenient to project the words on to a screen or to create a printed
> collection in ring-binders or suchlike (presumably what the Omrud means by
> his quotes round "book"?)
It was a sort of photocopied leaflet, but nicely finished and stapled
with a decent cover.
> There is a publishers' agreement that makes this
> legal if certain conditions are met and a licence issued.
>
> I can't account for variations between screen and "book", but even
> traditional hymns are not consistently worded - sometimes because the
> original has been doctored for "inclusivity". Perhaps the Powerpoint and
> "book" versions came ready-made from different sources; it's possible now to
> get hymns and worship songs in suitable forms for photocopying or
> projection, and CDs to provide verse-by-verse accompaniments recorded by an
> organist or a "worship group" of guitar, piano, flute and so on (does this
> count as karaoke, Laura?). The supply of competent organists seems almost to
> have dried up, at least in this rural area, and for weddings and funerals
> the few people like me who can sort-of-play the organ have to do our best to
> oblige ("No, my dear, it will have to be the Mendelssohn - I can't play the
> Widor Toccata . . .") If even that amateurish help is unavailable, the CD
> will have to do.
Have you heard the recording of Widor playing his own Toccata?
Sadly, by the time he got around to making the recording, he was
about 90 and never quite seemed to get out of 2nd gear.
Blue Hornet
No, actually, verbalize (ise) is the right word, meaning "to express in
words".
Peter Duncanson
Podium, the verb, is used in Formula One (and other Formulae) motoring
racing reports and commentary -- as heard in the UK.
To avoid false hits while googling I searched for "podiumed".
(The URLs below are all at US websites.)
http://www.theunion.com/article/20060209/SPORTS/102090130/0/FRONTPAGE
Before racing professionally, Rossi made 77 karting starts and
podiumed 64 times.
http://www.motorworld.com/roadtests/2000/honda_rc51/history/
Shobert won the Laguna Seca round, podiumed five times, and
finished third in the Championship standings.
http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz.cfm?qid=204384&origin=
[A quiz]
Who unexpectedly podiumed at ...?
etc.
K. Edgcombe
the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> oblige ("No, my dear, it will have to be the Mendelssohn - I can't play the
>> Widor Toccata . . .") If even that amateurish help is unavailable, the CD
>> will have to do.
>
>Have you heard the recording of Widor playing his own Toccata?
And do you know the choral version? (the organist plays the usual notes - all
of them - and the choir sings stuff fitted to the organ part by David
Willcocks). It's vulgar but effective.
Katy
the Omrud
Oooh, no, I've never heard that. Doesn't come on Radio 3 often, I
take it.
K. Edgcombe
the Omrud <usenet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> And do you know the choral version? (the organist plays the usual notes - all
>> of them - and the choir sings stuff fitted to the organ part by David
>> Willcocks). It's vulgar but effective.
>
>Oooh, no, I've never heard that. Doesn't come on Radio 3 often, I
>take it.
It is actually published.... will look it up when i get home.
Katy
Jim Lawton
wrote:
Interestingly http://www.thefreedictionary.com/verbalize has slightly
different definitions for "-ise" and "-ize". I still hold that
"verbalise -ize" has a strong element of "vocalise - ize" in it. I won't
argue with you further though - I don't feel _that_ strongly about it...
Laura F. Spira
One of the reasons that I am no longer a regular attender at synagogue
services is a similar lack of decorum.
Obaue: one rarely sees the word "decorum" used these days other than in
the context of its absence.
the Omrud
> K. Edgcombe wrote:
> >the Omrud wrote:
> >>> oblige ("No, my dear, it will have to be the Mendelssohn - I can't play the
> >>> Widor Toccata . . .") If even that amateurish help is unavailable, the CD
> >>> will have to do.
> >>
> >>Have you heard the recording of Widor playing his own Toccata?
> >
> >And do you know the choral version? (the organist plays the usual notes - all
> >of them - and the choir sings stuff fitted to the organ part by David
> >Willcocks). It's vulgar but effective.
>
> Changing the subject slightly: I wonder how you Right Pondians pronounce
> "Widor;" I always hear it as "Vidor."
Yep. Vee-Door.
Peter Duncanson
<la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>the Omrud wrote:
>>
>> <sings>
>> Immortal, ineffable God only wise ...
>> <desists>
>>
>> Does Laura know any 19th Century CoE/Methodist hymns? If not, she
>> may not have been afflicted with STS by this.
>>
>
>Yes, it may surprise you to know that the pages of A&M were once very
>familiar to me and I have always enjoyed singing hymns, although my
>parents disapproved a bit when I sang them around the house and Husband
>adopts a quizzical look and changes the channel when I join in with
>Songs of Praise. I know quite a few carols, too.
--
Peter Duncanson
<la...@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> wrote:
>the Omrud wrote:
>>
>> <sings>
>> Immortal, ineffable God only wise ...
>> <desists>
>>
>> Does Laura know any 19th Century CoE/Methodist hymns? If not, she
>> may not have been afflicted with STS by this.
>>
>
>Yes, it may surprise you to know that the pages of A&M were once very
>familiar to me and I have always enjoyed singing hymns, although my
>parents disapproved a bit when I sang them around the house and Husband
>adopts a quizzical look and changes the channel when I join in with
>Songs of Praise. I know quite a few carols, too.
It probably would not help to quote to your husband:
!Why should the devil have all the best tunes?"
said by William Booth, Founder of the Salvation Army.
http://tinyurl.com/8g9tp
The theatre in Worcester was crowded for the visit of William Booth
on January 22, 1882. Even the General himself 'had great difficulty
in getting in'. The door was smashed by the crowd still trying to
gain admission after the place was full.
George 'Sailor' Fielder, the Commanding Officer, had been put up
to sing. He had been a sea captain with a voice that had often been
heard above the roar of the waves. (Forty years later he still had
'a voice like thunder and gloried in open-air fighting'.) He sang
his testimony in the words, 'Bless His name, He set me free.'
'That was a fine song. What tune was that?' inquired the Army's
Founder later.
'Oh,' came the reply in a rather disapproving tone, 'General, that's
a dreadful tune. Don't you know what it is? That's "Champagne
Charlie is my name".' 'That's settled it,' William Booth decided as
he turned to Bramwell. ' Why should the devil have all the best
tunes?'
Evan Kirshenbaum
> "R H Draney" <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:dsqgj...@drn.newsguy.com...
>
>> How do you feel about "to reify"?...
>
> Up to now, no feelings, arising from no having heard it before. But
> it turns out AHD has it: http://www.bartleby.com/61/6/R0130600.html.
The OED dates it to 1854. It's a very common term in computer
science, referring to the action of deciding which concepts in a
program are going to be represented by "objects".
--
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R H Draney
>
>> "R H Draney" <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
>> news:dsqgj...@drn.newsguy.com...
>>
>>> How do you feel about "to reify"?...
>
>science, referring to the action of deciding which concepts in a
>program are going to be represented by "objects".
In philosophical circles, it carries the conceptual baggage of "bringing
something into existence by supplying it a name"...a concept, for the record,
that I don't buy into....r
Father Ignatius
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> "Father Ignatius" <FatherI...@ANTISPAMananzi.co.za> writes:
>
>> "R H Draney" <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
>> news:dsqgj...@drn.newsguy.com...
>>
>>> How do you feel about "to reify"?...
>>
>> Up to now, no feelings, arising from no having heard it before. But
>> it turns out AHD has it: http://www.bartleby.com/61/6/R0130600.html.
>
> The OED dates it to 1854. It's a very common term in computer
> science, referring to the action of deciding which concepts in a
> program are going to be represented by "objects".
1854? Lordy May! I belatedly infer that object-oriented programming was
introduced by Charles Babbage and Ada Lovelace! Nothing new under the sun,
eh?
Evan Kirshenbaum
So reification exists or not whether or not it has aname?
In computer science, we have the advantage that when we decide to
reify something, it really behaves as if it were an object.
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Mike Page
wrote:
I have found that one can reasonably assess the doctrinal position of
a church by the amount of electronic equipment it posesses - the more
equipment, the more fundamentalist and evangelical it will be.
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John Dean
>
> Obaue: one rarely sees the word "decorum" used these days other than
> in the context of its absence.
I took some cooking apples into the kitchen to decorum.
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John Dean
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