I know it's old news, but...
Becky Loader
Ms Fedotova apparently relating what she wrote on the oxbridge-info site,
although her article either suffers from serious editing or post-media
furore hindsight...
Becky
Davido
> although her article either suffers from serious editing or post-media
> furore hindsight...
>
> Becky
At the same time that I informed AUAers of her OxbridgeInfro profile,
I emailed the BBC about it, and had edited it to just include the most
eye-opening answers. BBC yesterday emailed "Thanks" from Mike Baker,
the education correspondent but didn't use it - the serious editing
Independent did is crazy, almost twisting words. There's no way she
said that, they've taken the OI profile and especially in the last bit
messed about with what she said. Anyway, it's old hat now.
Richard Magrath
Someone mentioned this to me at school today - one of the teachers -
but I'd not heard of it until now, though I know not why.
With regards to the article, someone was obviously painting the
article from the big bucket labelled 'melodrama'. What was the point
of those 'bookend' segments - 50% LS Lowry, 50% Morrissey - other than
to twist the reader's sympathy in a manner really quite unconnected
with the issue at hand? Rather suspect journalism...
I don't really see what the problem is with this girl, though maybe
I'm not looking hard enough. The title of the article was "I was made
to feel ignorant", yet this seems to have been entirely because she
could not answer the (admittedly difficult) questions given, and not
down to any noticeable malice or unfairness on the part of the
admissions tutor. From what she had written, Oxford didn't seem
concerned she had accidentally missed her first interview - she writes
that her interviewer was an especially friendly man. Which is the tone
of the whole piece, really - when the grey, rain-dashed streets of
Manchester are taken out of the picture. I didn't spot anything in
either the Oxbridge-Info profile or the above article where there
seemed to be anything improper done by any of the interviewers
described, like rubbing in the fact that she couldn't answer a certain
question. And I know this is a horribly un-PC thing to say, and I'm
probably wrong as well, but if she is deaf, to the point where she
cannot hear the words the interviewer says and has to lip read, then
how can she hear and subsequently be bothered by his "weary sighs"?
Rich
Davido
> article from the big bucket labelled 'melodrama'. What was the point
> of those 'bookend' segments - 50% LS Lowry, 50% Morrissey - other than
> to twist the reader's sympathy in a manner really quite unconnected
> with the issue at hand? Rather suspect journalism...
The media do this all the time. On close reading of The Independent
article, it is shocking some things they did, completely making up
some parts of it. I was slightly pissed off when after winning this
comp thing the local newspaper made up some quotes and tagged my name
to it, but this one takes the biscuit.
> I don't really see what the problem is with this girl, though maybe
> I'm not looking hard enough. The title of the article was "I was made
> to feel ignorant", yet this seems to have been entirely because she
> could not answer the (admittedly difficult) questions given, and not
> down to any noticeable malice or unfairness on the part of the
> admissions tutor. [etc etc]
Before the discovery of this Oxbridge-Info post, I remember an s-cool
post "It's shocking they rejected her just cos she was deaf". Laura
Spence was a one-off but Anastacia shouldn't have even hit the
headlines, I'm sure this year other deaf candidates would have been
accepted with AAB/AAA...
Jonny Thakkar
> What was the point of of those 'bookend' segments - 50% LS Lowry, 50%
> Morrissey - other than to twist the reader's sympathy in a manner
> really quite unconnected with the issue at hand? [...] she writes that
> her interviewer was an especially friendly man. Which is the tone of
> the whole piece, really - when the grey, rain-dashed streets of
> Manchester are taken out of the picture.
'Tis silly, especially if you read about that family of deaf people who
all went to Oxford (two or three generations) and thought the facilities
for teaching deaf people were exceptionally good.
But don't underestimate the effect of Mancunian drizzle. It really can
get to you sometimes - like today, for instance.
Mark.
--
(Yes, Mark, but using his brother's laptop as he can't find his modem.)
Richard Magrath
>
> But don't underestimate the effect of Mancunian drizzle. It really can
> get to you sometimes - like today, for instance.
I thought you lived in London?
Argh, I'm so angry today. You would have thought that somewhere in the
whole bloody town would have stocked The League of Gentlemen series 2
on DVD...
Rich
Alex Warren
> Argh, I'm so angry today. You would have thought that somewhere in the
> whole bloody town would have stocked The League of Gentlemen series 2
> on DVD...
I got my copy from play.com and it came quickly and was damn cheap too.
Alex
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katy lindemann
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>
> > What was the point of of those 'bookend' segments - 50% LS Lowry, 50%
> > Morrissey - other than to twist the reader's sympathy in a manner
> > really quite unconnected with the issue at hand? [...] she writes that
> > her interviewer was an especially friendly man. Which is the tone of
> > the whole piece, really - when the grey, rain-dashed streets of
> > Manchester are taken out of the picture.
>
> 'Tis silly, especially if you read about that family of deaf people who
> all went to Oxford (two or three generations) and thought the facilities
> for teaching deaf people were exceptionally good.
I don't know if it's the same family, but there are two sisters at
Somerville who are both deaf, and college fitted out two rooms specially for
them - facilities like special fire alarms, and something that makes the bed
shake when there's an alarm to make sure they wake up etc etc. Obviously I
can't speak for Brasenose, but it seems that if you're a candidate that they
really want (one's a medic, the other's an engineer), they'll do whatever
they can to accommodate you, regardless of disability.
Katy
Richard Magrath
it that the student contacted the newspapers (and if so, why?), or was
it that the newspapers contacted her (and if so, how?)?
Rich
Dr A. N. Walker
katy lindemann <ka...@NOSPAMkitschbitch.com> wrote:
> Obviously I
>can't speak for Brasenose, but it seems that if you're a candidate that they
>really want (one's a medic, the other's an engineer), they'll do whatever
>they can to accommodate you, regardless of disability.
Note that it is now illegal to do otherwise. See
"http://www.drc-gb.org/drc/Campaigns/Page431.asp":
" From September 2002, the Disability Discrimination Act
(DDA) 1995 (as amended by the Special Educational Needs
and Disability Act 2001), makes it unlawful for providers
of education and related services to discriminate against
disabled people. "
As there are Brownie Points and money involved, I'd guess that
most univs/colleges have in fact been keen to attract disabled
students for some time, and the DDA will have little or no
effect "on the ground", beyond spawning Codes of Practice and
other bureaucratic stuff designed to make sure that whatever
we do gets official notice.
--
Andy Walker, School of MathSci., Univ. of Nott'm, UK.
a...@maths.nott.ac.uk
K. Edgcombe
katy lindemann <ka...@NOSPAMkitschbitch.com> wrote:
>
>Somerville who are both deaf, and college fitted out two rooms specially for
>them - facilities like special fire alarms, and something that makes the bed
>shake when there's an alarm to make sure they wake up etc etc. Obviously I
>can't speak for Brasenose, but it seems that if you're a candidate that they
>really want (one's a medic, the other's an engineer), they'll do whatever
>they can to accommodate you, regardless of disability.
And they are legally obliged to do so, as are we all. That is, to admit
regardless of disability (unless there is a total impossibility involved, and I
can't offhand think of one), and to make all appropriate adjustments to
accommodation and teaching arrangements.
Special Education Needs and Disability Act, 2001; by and large a good thing,
though many Universities were already doing all that and more.
Katy