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Andrew W

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Dec 2, 2009, 6:35:28 PM12/2/09
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Here's some interesting footage of military back-engineered triangle craft
in action.

This might be the evidence we've been waiting for to prove that our military
did indeed secretly recover and back-engineer advanced ET technology,
because we humans have not yet come quite this far in technological
advancement by ourselves.

Websites are at the end of this post which explain some technical details.

1/19/09 - good quality - slow pass - night vision or low-light camera -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XytcW97GFj0

and

from January 2009 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmP49Xky00

Posted 11/21/09 - fast acceleration - from apparently from 2002

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRSa6Q4uU9Y

Germany 11/16/09 - short clip - fast acceleration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9-w8rkv1r0

Websites that discuss the craft.

http://www.darkgovernment.com/tr3b.html

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread4390/pg1

http://www.rense.com/general5/trb.htm

http://www.mufonla.com/tr3b.htm


--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned enough.
If you believe something too much then you have the same problem.

Sir Gilligan Horry

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Dec 2, 2009, 8:59:11 PM12/2/09
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"our military"

Yes, it's our military.

I'm surprised that any of the 57 different species of
Extraterrestrials let "our military" shoot them down.

More like 57,000 !!! :)

It just goes to show you how busy it is OUT THERE.

__________________

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HubbleSite -- Out of the ordinary...out of this world.


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On Dec 3, 10:35 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
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Andrew W

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Dec 3, 2009, 6:08:08 AM12/3/09
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Sir Gilligan Horry wrote:
> "our military"
>
> Yes, it's our military.
>
> I'm surprised that any of the 57 different species of
> Extraterrestrials let "our military" shoot them down.
>

I think our back-engineered tech has become fairly powerful and some ETs
have been caught by surprise and downed.

Sir Gilligan Horry

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Dec 3, 2009, 9:05:52 AM12/3/09
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On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:08:08 +1100, "Andrew W"
<removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:

>Sir Gilligan Horry wrote:
>> "our military"
>>
>> Yes, it's our military.
>>
>> I'm surprised that any of the 57 different species of
>> Extraterrestrials let "our military" shoot them down.
>>
>
>I think our back-engineered tech has become fairly powerful and some ETs
>have been caught by surprise and downed.

Also reminds me of this quote...

"Sometimes we actually got lucky enough to score a hit with a missile
before the UFO could take any evasive action"
- Col. Phillip J. Corso, U.S. Army from "The Day After Roswell", p127,
1998.


And...

"The spiritual evolution of an alien life form may be ahead of, equal
to or behind its level of technological development."

http://aliens-ufos-videos.aceboard.com/313830-4994-2241-0-Best-Latest-Aliens-UFOs-News.htm

HVAC

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Dec 3, 2009, 7:06:26 AM12/3/09
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"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> Here's some interesting footage of military back-engineered triangle craft
> in action.
>
> This might be the evidence we've been waiting for to prove that our
> military did indeed secretly recover and back-engineer advanced ET
> technology, because we humans have not yet come quite this far in
> technological advancement by ourselves.


How fucking retarded are you?

These are so obviously fake that a 10 year old can see it.

Only a COMPLETE moron would even post these links as 'proof'.

Rex

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Dec 3, 2009, 11:42:46 AM12/3/09
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Sir Gilligan Horry wrote:

>
> "The spiritual evolution of an alien life form may be ahead of, equal
> to or behind its level of technological development."
>
> http://aliens-ufos-videos.aceboard.com/313830-4994-2241-0-Best-Latest-Aliens-UFOs-News.htm

Better still, the one from Calvin & Hobbes: "The best proof of the
existence of intelligent life in space is that it hasn't tried to
contact us so far".


-------------------------------------
Life's a beach, then you dive.
-------------------------------------

Beam Me Up Scotty

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Dec 3, 2009, 12:12:40 PM12/3/09
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Rex wrote:
> Sir Gilligan Horry wrote:
>
>>
>> "The spiritual evolution of an alien life form may be ahead of, equal
>> to or behind its level of technological development."
>>
>> http://aliens-ufos-videos.aceboard.com/313830-4994-2241-0-Best-Latest-Aliens-UFOs-News.htm
>>
>
> Better still, the one from Calvin & Hobbes: "The best proof of the
> existence of intelligent life in space is that it hasn't tried to
> contact us so far".

If they already visited, why would they ever come back?

Sir Gilligan Horry

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Dec 3, 2009, 3:43:17 PM12/3/09
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On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:12:46 +0530, Rex
<rexdudeREMOVEA...@liam.ur> wrote:

>Sir Gilligan Horry wrote:
>
>>
>> "The spiritual evolution of an alien life form may be ahead of, equal
>> to or behind its level of technological development."
>>
>> http://aliens-ufos-videos.aceboard.com/313830-4994-2241-0-Best-Latest-Aliens-UFOs-News.htm
>

>Better still, the one from Calvin & Hobbes: "The best proof of the
>existence of intelligent life in space is that it hasn't tried to
>contact us so far".


Yeah, that's a classic quote.

And even though I had a rant recently
about how stupid people are,
all in all I'm actually more optimistic
and in praise of what people have achieved.
Put it this way...
people did stupid things because we were
dumped into a stupid world.
i.e.
Water full of bacteria and mosquitos,
food that rots after one day,
weather that is often too hot or too cold,
and on and on.

For example, the Universe is billions of years old,
and yet just 80 years ago we were
scratching around in the dust.
Some might say that the creator of us
was not very intelligent or kind.

Although maybe it's just the journey
from animal to divine being.

And last night I experienced both in a vivid dream...
(I'm not making this up, it was a real vivid dream)

1.
A long argument and fight with a brother.
But we calmed down and all started watching a UFO documentary on TV.

2.
A truly beautiful woman that put her tongue in my mouth.
But because of her, I missed the UFO documentary on TV.


So, yeah, finally the Human
collective has a chance now
for an amazing future.
We just got out of hell.
So no-wonder that certain
powers on Earth don't trust anyone OUT THERE.

I mean, look at all the ET races visiting Earth
for those close encounters, and all so very covert !

No-one showed up 500 or 2000 years ago out in the open to give us a
Spock style "greetings" and "here is how you have clean water and
great food and excellent health," etc.

What we all went through was pure hell.
It wasn't being born on a 5000 mile wide mothership with softly spoken
robots giving us a nice education.

All this is one of the reasons why the government doesn't get the
President to have UFO disclosure. And I wouldn't recommend it either.
There is too much bad news in the whole story.
Some Russian friends once said, "look we have to care about our own
life before caring about life out there".

And anyway, I helped disclosure happen.
Even Dr Steven Greer said "disclosure has already happened".

We still have to be careful though.
Because I respect this document...

http://www.metatech.org/contact_extraterrestrials_intervention.html

And it says...
"This action will affect your future in an irreversible and historical
way at the scale of milleniums, otherwise, it will postpone a new
opportunity to choose to several years later, at least one generation,
if it can survive."

And that is spooky stuff, because I only just studied about NDEs and
the After Life and the fact that I will have an opportunity to return
to Earth to help others and admire and maintain oceans,
and help build motherships, etc.
But it all might be taken away by some person in some country playing
around with mind control technology, etc.
So, we are not out of this yet, we have a lot of work to do.


Reminds me of this...

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008b/1994zimbabwe.html

The ETs said...
"Something is going to happen,
you are getting too technological too soon".

That was 1994.


================

________________

UFO - Encounters in Australia (part3/3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8QtfFH95Mk


Andrew W

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Dec 3, 2009, 5:39:09 PM12/3/09
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HVAC wrote:
> "Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4b16f9c2$0$6090$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Here's some interesting footage of military back-engineered triangle
>> craft in action.
>>
>> This might be the evidence we've been waiting for to prove that our
>> military did indeed secretly recover and back-engineer advanced ET
>> technology, because we humans have not yet come quite this far in
>> technological advancement by ourselves.
>
>
> How fucking retarded are you?
>

Not as much as you.

>
> These are so obviously fake that a 10 year old can see it.
>

Maybe, maybe not. Its only an obvious fake if you can show that its CGI.
Are you a video specialist?

>
> Only a COMPLETE moron would even post these links as 'proof'.
>

Who said this is proof?
However we should examine such things if large numbers of the population are
seeing them.
Unless of course you are closed minded about life forms with advanced
technologies existing in the universe.


BradGuth

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Dec 3, 2009, 8:05:36 PM12/3/09
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On Dec 3, 2:39 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
> HVAC wrote:
> > "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

HVAC is closed mindset on pretty much everything and anything that
might revise history or alter the future. Other than that he's wide
open to considering anything.

~ BG

BradGuth

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Dec 3, 2009, 8:17:28 PM12/3/09
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On Dec 3, 4:06 am, "HVAC" <harlowcampb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

So far, it seems you can't even accomplish a most basic resample/
enlargement of a nifty digital radar obtained image that depicts "Guth
Venus", and you've obviously never taken a nighttime photograph with
one illumination source like our Apollo missions had to contend with.
So, where's your hidden expertise?

~ BG

HVAC

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"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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>>
>> These are so obviously fake that a 10 year old can see it.
>>
>
> Maybe, maybe not. Its only an obvious fake if you can show that its CGI.
> Are you a video specialist?


Of course I am.


>> Only a COMPLETE moron would even post these links as 'proof'.
>>
>
> Who said this is proof?


Ummmmmm YOU? You posted this up with the subject
line of "Footage of military back-engineered triangle craft".

Not only is it NOT military, it's also NOT a craft.


Face the facts Andy.... You are a sucker. A clueless rube who
once again has fallen prey to the snake-oil salesman.


BradGuth

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On Dec 4, 3:41 am, "HVAC" <harlowcampb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

If not USAF or whatever, then it's a UFO.

~ BG

BradGuth

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On Dec 4, 3:41 am, "HVAC" <harlowcampb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

If not USAF or whatever special/secret black ops, then it's a bonafide
UFO.

Those extreme exits of such acceleration and velocity seem to suggest
these are ETs.

~ BG

Andrew W

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HVAC wrote:
> "Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4b183e0e$0$5425$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>> These are so obviously fake that a 10 year old can see it.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe, maybe not. Its only an obvious fake if you can show that its
>> CGI. Are you a video specialist?
>
>
> Of course I am.
>

Yeah right.

>
>>> Only a COMPLETE moron would even post these links as 'proof'.
>>>
>>
>> Who said this is proof?
>
>
> Ummmmmm YOU? You posted this up with the subject
> line of "Footage of military back-engineered triangle craft".
>

It is however proof of back engineered tech once it is publically confirmed
that it is a military craft.
Some insiders have already confirmed it.

>
> Not only is it NOT military, it's also NOT a craft.
>

Your opinion is noted.

>
> Face the facts Andy.... You are a sucker. A clueless rube who
> once again has fallen prey to the snake-oil salesman.
>

Your usual clueless opinion on me is noted.
I have inside knowledge. Many others now do also.

HVAC

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"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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>>
>> Not only is it NOT military, it's also NOT a craft.
>>
>
> Your opinion is noted.
>
>>
>> Face the facts Andy.... You are a sucker. A clueless rube who
>> once again has fallen prey to the snake-oil salesman.
>>
>
> Your usual clueless opinion on me is noted.
> I have inside knowledge. Many others now do also.


This is exactly why belief in ufos is just another religion.

When confronted with truth, you respond with anger, just
like a religious nut. You worship your ufos like a religious
freak worships his god. When pushed, you say that YOU
have inside knowledge....Just as the religious say that THEY
have faith.

--
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain


BradGuth

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Dec 5, 2009, 10:30:56 AM12/5/09
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On Dec 5, 4:49 am, "HVAC" <harlowcampb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

Only a mole or spook like yourself would have responded in this
manner. The only other option is that you're ET.

Like I said, you have demonstrated no expertise in anything
photographic, other than your perpetual stupidity.

~ BG

߃-- ¹¹

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Dec 5, 2009, 11:45:02 AM12/5/09
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Seems as though the tailfin angle here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XytcW97GFj0

is the same as the tailfin angle here;
http://www.sr-71.org/blackbird/sr-71/
Coincidence?

Made by Lockeed;

߃--¹¹

Hagar

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"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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~ BG
******************************
Of course, the other option is that you, GuthBall, and Andy W,
are fruitcakes, which, considering your "living on Venus in a
gondola" wet dream and your L1 hallucinations, is probably
not too far off the mark.


BradGuth

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On Dec 5, 12:04 pm, "Hagar" <hs...@surewest.net> wrote:
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:2dcdb7d2-4dd3-474c...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 5, 4:49 am, "HVAC" <harlowcampb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
>
> >news:4b1a49f1$0$1781$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> > >> Not only is it NOT military, it's also NOT a craft.
>
> > > Your opinion is noted.
>
> > >> Face the facts Andy.... You are a sucker. A clueless rube who
> > >> once again has fallen prey to the snake-oil salesman.
>
> > > Your usual clueless opinion on me is noted.
> > > I have inside knowledge. Many others now do also.
>
> > This is exactly why belief in ufos is just another religion.
>
> > When confronted with truth, you respond with anger, just
> > like a religious nut. You worship your ufos like a religious
> > freak worships his god. When pushed, you say that YOU
> > have inside knowledge....Just as the religious say that THEY
> > have faith.
>
> > --
> > "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain
>
> Only a mole or spook like yourself would have responded in this
> manner.  The only other option is that you're an ET that's either
> rogue or dysfunctional.

>
> Like I said, you have demonstrated no expertise in anything
> photographic, other than your perpetual stupidity.
>
>  ~ BG
>             ******************************
> Of course, the other option is that you, GuthBall, and Andy W,
> are fruitcakes, which, considering your "living on Venus in a
> gondola" wet dream and your L1 hallucinations, is probably
> not too far off the mark.

It seems your not knowing a very large and impressive triangular UFO
or black ops craft even if it flew up your butt is pretty pathetic.
At least I always stick with using the regular laws of physics and
deductively consider the best available science, whereas you and
others of your robo-naysay kind automatically obfuscate and/or reject
anything that could possibly revise history or change the future.

~ BG

Grizzly

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Dec 5, 2009, 4:43:12 PM12/5/09
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For what its worth, I saw one of these black triangle craft on the way
home from work about 15 years ago. It was absolutely silent-no jet
noise. I pretty much assumed that it was one of ours and likely a black
ops craft. It was flying toward an air national guard base near Joliet
Illinois at approximately 10 o'clock at night mid November. I told my
brother about it. Didn't bother reporting it because you see
experimental craft in the area all the time.

BradGuth

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Dec 5, 2009, 4:55:06 PM12/5/09
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Sounds about right. Perhaps you saw the one which got captured to
begin with.

~ BG

HVAC

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"Grizzly" <No...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> For what its worth, I saw one of these black triangle craft on the way
> home from work about 15 years ago. It was absolutely silent-no jet noise.
> I pretty much assumed that it was one of ours and likely a black ops
> craft.


The F-117 has a low-observable profile and when viewed from
different angles it appears to have different shapes. With the wind
in the wrong direction it would be very quiet.


> It was flying toward an air national guard base near Joliet Illinois at
> approximately 10 o'clock at night mid November. I told my brother about
> it. Didn't bother reporting it because you see experimental craft in the
> area all the time.


Possible but doubtful that a 'black' aircraft would be flying
into an ANG airfield unless theer was an emergency.


--
Chaos, calamity, and disorder are my brothers now.


Andrew W

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HVAC wrote:
> "Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4b1a49f1$0$1781$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>
>>> Not only is it NOT military, it's also NOT a craft.
>>>

The TR-3B is a known military tactical craft.
Research it yourself.

>>
>>>
>>> Face the facts Andy.... You are a sucker. A clueless rube who
>>> once again has fallen prey to the snake-oil salesman.
>>>
>>
>> Your usual clueless opinion on me is noted.
>> I have inside knowledge. Many others now do also.
>
>
> This is exactly why belief in ufos is just another religion.
>

That's your stupid assessment.
Religion is about firm beliefs. I firmly believe nothing. I gather info and
constantly search for the truth.
Religion is about just blindly accepting everything authority figures tell
you instead of finding things out for yourself.
It is you who rely only authority figures like the government and main
stream media trash for all your info..

There are only a few in the world who just believe in ufos, not quite enough
for a religion.
The majority have either had real contact, or have done serious research -
two things you know nothing about and so cannot comment.

>
> When confronted with truth, you respond with anger, just
> like a religious nut.
>

What truth have you confronted me with? None. You don't know any.
There's nothing wrong with showing some anger at the willingly ignorant who
verbally abuse and then pretend they're somehow an authority on everything.
Along with your other shenanigans you have been caught lying.
You're a bored clown who just comes here for laughs.
You're not really interested in purely the subject any more.

>
> You worship your ufos like a religious
> freak worships his god.
>

You think I worship ufos? Lol.
You know nothing.

>
> When pushed, you say that YOU
> have inside knowledge....Just as the religious say that THEY
> have faith.
>

I do have inside knowledge, as do many now because of the
information age.
But you are free to continue believing that this is just a religion if you
want.


--
The skeptic/debunker's motto - If I haven't seen it and its even slightly
difficult for me to believe then there's no way it can possibly exist.

BradGuth

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On Dec 5, 3:54 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
> HVAC wrote:
> > "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

HVAC, rabbi Saul Levy, Art Deco and the whole brown-nosed caste of
mostly Republican Zionist Nazis seem to always know all there is to
know, and then some. Even William Mook was an absolute know-it-all,
usually via first hand knowledge and expertise at that. Of course all
Zionists/Jews of the WW2 era were supposedly poor, law abiding and
otherwise absolutely dumber than a kosher fart, thus incapable of
having assisted the Third Reich.

~ BG

Sir Gilligan Horry

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I'm glad you Andrew and Brad
are here in newsgroups these days.
I spent many days in the past years talking to myself
here often. Well talking to myself and HVAC. LOL

Have a Great Day!

==============
http://ProjectUFOnetwork.isGreat.org


Andrew W

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Dec 5, 2009, 8:30:11 PM12/5/09
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Talking to HVACuum is far worse than talking to yourself.

BradGuth

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On Dec 5, 7:19 pm, Sir Gilligan Horry <G...@ga7rm5er.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:54:08 +1100, "Andrew W"
>
>
>
> <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
> >HVAC wrote:
> >> "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message

HVAC is like robo-denial and naysay on steroids, whereas their
obfuscation and nondisclosure policy is always in charge of
accomplishing mainstream media damage-control. It's these brown-nosed
clowns that keep showing up and screwing with the audience and
whatever investigative media, because it's their job that's usually
public funded and/or faith-based funded.

~ BG

Mike Painter

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Dec 5, 2009, 3:49:16 PM12/5/09
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Sorry BroadGirth.
One of the things that HVAC, the military and most of us in on The Truth
know is that it would be stupid to paint a low flying aircraft black if we
wanted to keep it from being obvious.
We would paint the bottom a light bue to match the sky and the top an earth
tone.
It's how low and slow combat aircraft used to be painted when radar was not
an issue.

The truth is that *ALL* of our antigravity devices are tested in machines
that are far better camouflaged that even what I describe. We followed Poe's
advise and hide then in plain sight.
Do you really believe that all those FedEx planes flying out of a
civil-military airport carry cargo all the time? Do you really think it
would be hard to make it seem like they were using jet engines to fly?
Admittedly in the early days the propellers were used at low power for
forward motion but those days are long gone.
Proof of this can be seen in any still photo of a FedEx plane in flight.
They don't move so they must be hovering...

HVAC pointed out the religious angle of your belierfs and I'm sure your Blue
Book will give reasons why people who could "back-engineer" something so
advanced would not think of my way of doing things.

I suspect however that reverse engineering something like that would be like
a scientist from 1909 reverse engineering a solid state wrist watch.


Grizzly

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HVAC wrote:
> "Grizzly" <No...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:QtASm.3669$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
>> For what its worth, I saw one of these black triangle craft on the way
>> home from work about 15 years ago. It was absolutely silent-no jet noise.
>> I pretty much assumed that it was one of ours and likely a black ops
>> craft.
>
>
> The F-117 has a low-observable profile and when viewed from
> different angles it appears to have different shapes. With the wind
> in the wrong direction it would be very quiet

Wind Schmind. I stopped to listen and watch because it was so unusual.
Usually you hear the craft after it has passed overhead. This was not
the case here. There was no noise. None Zero Zip, Nada. It moved slowly
as if blown on the wind like a helium balloon. When it did finally take
off and move it did so in rapid fashion. I have no clue how fast but
suffice it to say it was faster than any normal jet traffic. The shape
of the craft was that of an equilateral triangle, with a red light at
each point and a square red center light where a bomb bay might have
been.. I don't know what it was, but I know I have never seen the like
of it since.


>
>
>> It was flying toward an air national guard base near Joliet Illinois at
>> approximately 10 o'clock at night mid November. I told my brother about
>> it. Didn't bother reporting it because you see experimental craft in the
>> area all the time.
>
>
> Possible but doubtful that a 'black' aircraft would be flying
> into an ANG airfield unless theer was an emergency.

And why wouldn't they? How many people actually look up at the sky at
night while they are driving home? In an area where there is a lot of
air traffic, it would likely be brushed off as just another experimental
craft. Perhaps that was all it was and who the hell knows.
>
>
>
>

Grizzly

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Dec 6, 2009, 12:34:14 AM12/6/09
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HVAC wrote:
> "Grizzly" <No...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:QtASm.3669$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
>> For what its worth, I saw one of these black triangle craft on the way
>> home from work about 15 years ago. It was absolutely silent-no jet noise.
>> I pretty much assumed that it was one of ours and likely a black ops
>> craft.
>
>
>
>
>> It was flying toward an air national guard base near Joliet Illinois at
>> approximately 10 o'clock at night mid November. I told my brother about
>> it. Didn't bother reporting it because you see experimental craft in the
>> area all the time.

By the way, your middle name is Allen..

Grizzly

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Dec 6, 2009, 12:41:48 AM12/6/09
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Andrew W wrote:
> HVAC wrote:
>> "Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:4b1a49f1$0$1781$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
.
>
> There are only a few in the world who just believe in ufos, not quite enough

>>
>

> I do have inside knowledge, as do many now because of the
> information age.
> But you are free to continue believing that this is just a religion if you
> want.
>
>

HVAC doesn't know or is a paid shill. In either case those who have had
any real experience with Alien abduction, or actuall eyes on sightings
have more questions to ask than answers. The fact is that once you are
confronted with these situations, you likely wonder what the hell it is
that you actually saw, or if what you experienced was "real" It is then
that you question the nature of consensus reality.

Sir Gilligan Horry

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Dec 6, 2009, 2:56:21 AM12/6/09
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Sometimes 'Angry'

:)


Sir Gilligan Horry

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Dec 6, 2009, 3:10:23 AM12/6/09
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HVAC
"Dear Long Time Superior Intellectual Fellow In Cyber Space"
is this finally the day I was waiting for...
the day when I have people like
Andrew and Brad and Grizzly
and many other amazing people here
to support my care and hope and discoveries
for the fact that 57,000+ different species
of aliens are real !!!

Because before today
I was pretty much alone.
And you knew it.
I lost so many friends in real life too.

But now I have many UFO friends.

Honestly Wonderful.

eg.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Area51TopSecret


======================================


Andrew W

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Dec 6, 2009, 2:39:59 AM12/6/09
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HVAC wrote:
> "Grizzly" <No...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:QtASm.3669$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
>>
>> For what its worth, I saw one of these black triangle craft on the
>> way home from work about 15 years ago. It was absolutely silent-no
>> jet noise. I pretty much assumed that it was one of ours and likely
>> a black ops craft.
>
>
> The F-117 has a low-observable profile and when viewed from
> different angles it appears to have different shapes. With the wind
> in the wrong direction it would be very quiet.
>

F-117's are tiny and can only fly fast.

HVAC

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"Grizzly" <No...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> The F-117 has a low-observable profile and when viewed from
>> different angles it appears to have different shapes. With the wind
>> in the wrong direction it would be very quiet


> Wind Schmind. I stopped to listen and watch because it was so unusual.
> Usually you hear the craft after it has passed overhead. This was not the
> case here. There was no noise. None Zero Zip, Nada. It moved slowly as if
> blown on the wind like a helium balloon. When it did finally take off and
> move it did so in rapid fashion.

No pictures?

Maybe you fell asleep and that's what you THOUGHT you saw.


>> Possible but doubtful that a 'black' aircraft would be flying
>> into an ANG airfield unless theer was an emergency.


> And why wouldn't they?


Because that would defeat the purpose of being 'black'.


HVAC

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"Andrew W" <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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>>
>> When pushed, you say that YOU
>> have inside knowledge....Just as the religious say that THEY
>> have faith.
>>
>
> I do have inside knowledge, as do many now because of the
> information age.
> But you are free to continue believing that this is just a religion if you
> want.


Amen


HVAC

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Dec 6, 2009, 8:22:44 AM12/6/09
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"Sir Gilligan Horry" <G...@ga7rm5er.com> wrote in message
news:20pmh59va9k45nng2...@4ax.com...

>
> HVAC
> "Dear Long Time Superior Intellectual Fellow In Cyber Space"
> is this finally the day I was waiting for...
> the day when I have people like
> Andrew and Brad and Grizzly

The Three Stooges of ufos.

If I was a salseman, I would want these
three as customers.

> Because before today
> I was pretty much alone.
> And you knew it.


Why do you say that?

There are many idiots that believe in ufos
that have come here over the years.

I have driven them all away with my
keen wit and sharp (but fair) repartee'


> I lost so many friends in real life too.
>
> But now I have many UFO friends.


These geeks aren't your friends.
They are 'fellow travelers' on the kook highway.


Grizzly

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Dec 6, 2009, 2:17:30 PM12/6/09
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HVAC wrote:
> "Grizzly" <No...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:VfHSm.3673$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
>>> The F-117 has a low-observable profile and when viewed from
>>> different angles it appears to have different shapes. With the wind
>>> in the wrong direction it would be very quiet
>
>
>> Wind Schmind. I stopped to listen and watch because it was so unusual.
>> Usually you hear the craft after it has passed overhead. This was not the
>> case here. There was no noise. None Zero Zip, Nada. It moved slowly as if
>> blown on the wind like a helium balloon. When it did finally take off and
>> move it did so in rapid fashion.
>
> No pictures?
>
Of course not. Did you habitually carry a video camera on your commute
back and forth to work? Didn't think so.

> Maybe you fell asleep and that's what you THOUGHT you saw.

No. Definitely not asleep.

>
>>> Possible but doubtful that a 'black' aircraft would be flying
>>> into an ANG airfield unless theer was an emergency.
>
>
>> And why wouldn't they?
>
>
> Because that would defeat the purpose of being 'black'.
>

Ever heard of hiding something in plain sight? And who would believe
someone reporting such a sighting. For that matter most people who see
such things are labeled as kooks. On the other hand there was that
flying disc above O'Hare field some years later that made the news, and
was sighted by a whole host of "credible" witnesses. It hovered there
for awhile then punched a hole through the clouds and disappeared. The
black triangle I speak of was also sighted downstate around the same
time period as I saw it, so I guess I wasn't the only "kook" who saw it.
>

BradGuth

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Dec 6, 2009, 5:09:29 PM12/6/09
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Who says that ETs are not in some kind of tit-for-tat cahoots with our
government special/cabal forces. The Seans and Darla seem to be into
just about everything, as most certainly stealthy and/or having
infiltrated into the highest and upper most secret levels of government
(s). Seans must have come from a NOW kind of satanic Zionist Nazi
planet, whereas everyone except for their lower caste of brown-nosed
slaves are essentiality wealthy and powerful, as well as Republican.

~ BG

HVAC

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Dec 7, 2009, 6:15:57 AM12/7/09
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"Grizzly" <No...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> No pictures?
>>
> Of course not. Did you habitually carry a video camera on your commute
> back and forth to work? Didn't think so.

My cell phone can take pictures and video.

My children's cell phones can take pictures and video.

My friends have cell phones that can take pictures and video.

It's not really that uncommon.

>> Maybe you fell asleep and that's what you THOUGHT you saw.
>
> No. Definitely not asleep.


That's what people who suffer from 'night terrors' think, yet
all the while they are out cold.


>> Because that would defeat the purpose of being 'black'.
>
> Ever heard of hiding something in plain sight?


Ya. When it comes to the Transformers.

When it comes to the military, they go far, far away to be alone.

> And who would believe someone reporting such a sighting. For that matter
> most people who see such things are labeled as kooks.


Or some are labeled as liars, eh?

vtcapo

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Dec 7, 2009, 7:35:28 AM12/7/09
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They ARE hidden in plain sight. They are cloaked within the infrared
spectrum. If you listen to the local naysayers Sgall, HVAC, Hagar,
they have absolutely nothing to offer. They are either ignorant or on
someone’s payroll. I believe they are the latter because no one is
that stupid. No..... on further thought..... They are the three
stooges of Alt.ASStronomy....

RT

HVAC

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Dec 7, 2009, 9:14:05 AM12/7/09
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"vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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They ARE hidden in plain sight. They are cloaked within the infrared
spectrum. If you listen to the local naysayers Sgall, HVAC, Hagar,
they have absolutely nothing to offer. They are either ignorant or on
someone�s payroll. I believe they are the latter because no one is
that stupid. No..... on further thought..... They are the three
stooges of Alt.ASStronomy....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


If you're gonna steal my lines, at least throw me a bone.


vtcapo

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Dec 7, 2009, 12:09:55 PM12/7/09
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What did I steal? That you three are ignorant, stupid or on someone's
payroll? Or, was it the Three Stooges of Alt.ASStronomy that you think
entitles you to a bone?
Instead of a bone how about some naked pictures of Sarah Palin? That
should get you a boner. I'm sure that will do........

RT

BradGuth

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Dec 7, 2009, 12:25:24 PM12/7/09
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Perhaps we need stooges, because it makes the rest of us look and seem
so much smarter.

~ BG

BradGuth

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Dec 7, 2009, 12:27:42 PM12/7/09
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That's makes four stooges, three of them with boners.

~ BG

HVAC

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Dec 7, 2009, 2:37:57 PM12/7/09
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"vtcapo" <vtc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> If you're gonna steal my lines, at least throw me a bone.

What did I steal? That you three are ignorant, stupid or on someone's
payroll? Or, was it the Three Stooges of Alt.ASStronomy that you think
entitles you to a bone?
Instead of a bone how about some naked pictures of Sarah Palin? That
should get you a boner. I'm sure that will do........

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


OK. I'll trade you for a democrat's fantasy 3-way.

That'd be Hillary and Janet Reno.

What say?


Free Lunch

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Dec 7, 2009, 2:42:37 PM12/7/09
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On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:37:57 -0500, "HVAC" <harlowc...@gmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism:

That was John McCain's fantasy.

>What say?
>

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