Koscheck vs Lytle refereeing
Dave -Turner
spelt that right) stopped a fight quite prematurely
in UFC 86 on the other hand we've seen one of the bloodiest UFC fights ever
but the ref let the fight go all 3 rounds. By contrast it made Dan's
premature stoppage look VERY, VERY premature!
Really gutsy and classy display by Chris Lytle, the crowd loved it and i
enjoyed watching it and i take my hat off to him! and to Koscheck,
excellent fight - it was disappointing to hear the boos
but I was surprised that the fight wasn't stopped earlier seeing as Koscheck
was being so dominant and Lytle was bleeding so heavily ... BUT, Lytle was
still punching his heart out to the very last second, so is it a case of the
referee not stepping in soon enough or a case of excellent refereeing?!?!?
Per
I thought for sure he should have done that.
Dave -Turner
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> I was surprised that he didnt even have the doctor take a look at any
point.
> I thought for sure he should have done that.
that too!!! fights are often stopped just because of a single trickle of
blood .... Lytle was covered in his own blood and left the mat all bloodied
up but not once was the doctor called ...
I think Yves did the right thing in allowing Lytle to fight on (which he did
to the very last second) but yeah I think doctors should've been brought in
.... I mean it was one of the bloodiest UFC fights ever !!
ashen
> in UFC 85 there was a controversial stoppage when Dan Mirgoliata (hope i
> spelt that right) stopped a fight quite prematurely
Yves Lavigne is the best ref out there. He should be in charge of
every important fight. Just about every other ref out there would
have stopped last year's Herring/Nogiera fight early, thereby
completely changing all the developments of the past year in the
heavyweight division.
In this Lytle/Koscheck fight there was no reason to stop the fight.
Lytle was free to tap any time he felt he didn't want to get beat up
anymore.
Imagine that: A referee who actually makes a fighter knock his
opponent out, before declaring a knockout.
edbert
>every important fight.
Agreed, and big-bald-Dan needs to be let go, he's the worst.
The Sanity Cruzer
>point. I thought for sure he should have done that.
The doctor undoubtedly looked at the cut between rounds. Head cuts tend to
bleed a lot. Cuts often stop fights when there is a danger to the cut
fighter's health. Cuts around the eye are the most common reason to stop a
fight. That said, I too was surprised the fight was not stopped, mainly
because of the psychological effect of viewers seeing that much blood as a
fight continues.
The dog from that film you saw
"edbert" wrote in message news:sug4749ftr5cakpue...@4ax.com...
> >Yves Lavigne is the best ref out there. He should be in charge of
>>every important fight.
>
> Agreed, and big-bald-Dan needs to be let go, he's the worst.
>
i'm pretty sure the ufc doesn't get a say in who refs - the licensing
authority chooses the ref.
--
Gareth.
that fly...... is your magic wand....
The Sanity Cruzer
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>
> "edbert" wrote in message
> news:sug4749ftr5cakpue...@4ax.com...
>> >Yves Lavigne is the best ref out there. He should be in charge of
>>>every important fight.
>>
>> Agreed, and big-bald-Dan needs to be let go, he's the worst.
>>
> i'm pretty sure the ufc doesn't get a say in who refs - the licensing
> authority chooses the ref.
Even fighters' camps can voice a protest over who is refereeing or judging a
fight. Commissions want, to some degree, to keep promoters happy, since
their business is wanted. This is especially true for a promoter who puts
on major events. Most commissions are, to my knowledge, made up of
political appointees and often have zero experience in either boxing or MMA.
BTW, Marc Ratner, the long-time, former head of the Nevada State Athletic
Commission, was hired by Zuffa (the UFC). He was hired to open doors for
the UFC and to lubricate openings where the UFC didn't heretofore fit.
Marc Ratner: Ho
Dave -Turner
worse than it really was because of so much blood, but he was still
intelligently defending himself to the very last second - and nearly pulled
off a submission a few times, so I guess it was just good refereeing in
regards to not stopping it. There were a few times though where I was
surprised the doctor wasnt brought in mid-round
Dave -Turner
getting into his eye(s)
http://i28.tinypic.com/fxt0rc.jpg
u...@invalid.net
in article <7uqdnccC4-g...@westnet.com.au>,
"Dave -Turner" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
I think refs should have the authority to stop fights, but
that there should then be a review panel that can override it,
before the fight is officially declared over.
Other times, I wonder if they aren't just trying to set the
stage for a re-match, by calling the fight quickly, in the
event one appears to be dominating.
As far as I'm concerned, while the entertainment value is
important, it still has to be transparently real, or I won't
watch it. The minute it becomes evident things are rigged, is
the minute I stop watching.
u...@invalid.net
in article <feqdnTgOJKTUZ-_V...@westnet.com.au>,
"Dave -Turner" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
Oh, good grief. Shit yes that fight should have been called.
u...@invalid.net
in article
<4f4ccd93-2634-48ec...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
ashen <brye...@aol.com> wrote:
>Yves Lavigne is the best ref out there. He should be in charge of
>every important fight. Just about every other ref out there would
>have stopped last year's Herring/Nogiera fight early, thereby
>completely changing all the developments of the past year in the
>heavyweight division.
That may be a good point. If so, it just shows that all
fighters don't get an equal chance, and the system is unfair.
I think the ref should have the authority to stop a fight, but
that a review panel should have to confirm it, before it
becomes official.
Dave -Turner
<u...@invalid.net> wrote in message
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no! but surely the doctor shouldve been called in?
Dave -Turner
> important, it still has to be transparently real, or I won't
> watch it. The minute it becomes evident things are rigged, is
> the minute I stop watching.
amen
u...@invalid.net
in article <nbydnbKZs_5bwe7V...@westnet.com.au>,
"Dave -Turner" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
><u...@invalid.net> wrote in message
>news:l1a674hp7fadvs8hq...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:25:41 +0800,
>> in article <feqdnTgOJKTUZ-_V...@westnet.com.au>,
>> "Dave -Turner" <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>> >here's a pic that shows how bloody it was getting, and it looks like some
>is
>> >getting into his eye(s)
>> >http://i28.tinypic.com/fxt0rc.jpg
>> >
>>
>>
>> Oh, good grief. Shit yes that fight should have been called.
>
>no! but surely the doctor shouldve been called in?
>
At least. My God, there's about a quart of blood on the
canvas.
Per
rollman
> This fight also raises the question again about albows beeing allowed?
>
japanese rules don't allow elbows.... but then they allow kicks to a downed
oppoents head.. so I guess thats fair..
Hemi
If Lavigne is the best ref the UFC has access to then the UFC is in
trouble.
I think he sucks big time, no ring presence, typically has a band
angle on the action and is a company man all the way.
He'd let a man get beat to death before he stops a fight.
His FIRST obligation is to protect the fighters. The doc should have
been brought in and there is absolutely NO excuse for that not
happening.
Lavigne sucks bad.