Who are we?
CannonE
I mean, who are we--the Twin Peaks watchers of modern day?
I rarely meet anyone who still watches the show, which leaves me wondering the
type person and occupation of those that do. So let's get to know each other,
as a society of Peakers.
I'll go first:
I'm a 23 year old married, first year medical student living in Memphis, TN. I
started watching the series twords the end of the first season, and have
rented, and later bought it to watch. I'm white, enjoy lifting weights,
outdoor stuff (climbing, hiking), and novels when I have the time.
Nice to know you all......(email your reply's to me!)
Cannon
Igg444
>
>I mean, who are we--the Twin Peaks watchers of modern day?
>I rarely meet anyone who still watches the show, which leaves me wondering
>the
>type person and occupation of those that do. So let's get to know each other,
>as a society of Peakers.
I think we did something like this not too long ago, didn't we?
Anyway, I'm 27, single, upstate NY, white. I'm a CPA (certified public
accountant for our non-American friends :-) ). I love music and movies -
especially Lynch. Started watching in 1990 during the repeats of the first
season - the 3rd ep- the funeral- was the first I saw, and I've been hooked
ever since. I managed to get all my friends into it, and we all still talk
about it and recruit new members on occasion, but none of them are as ardent
fans as I am.
So, nice to meet you too! Always nice to have new blood to flame! ;-) Or new
bodies to inhabit!
BOB
oops, I mean MIKE
"Laura was my cousin."
tric...@hotmail.com
igg...@aol.com (Igg444) wrote:
>>Who are we?
>>
>>I mean, who are we--the Twin Peaks watchers of modern day?
>
>>I rarely meet anyone who still watches the show, which leaves me wondering
>>the
>>type person and occupation of those that do. So let's get to know each other,
>>as a society of Peakers.
>
>I think we did something like this not too long ago, didn't we?
You may have been thinking of a different discussion, but here's the address
at Dejanews of the recent exchange I remember.
And here's the favorite tv shows poll.
>Anyway, I'm 27, single, upstate NY, white. I'm a CPA (certified public
>accountant for our non-American friends :-) ). I love music and movies -
>especially Lynch. Started watching in 1990 during the repeats of the first
>season - the 3rd ep- the funeral- was the first I saw, and I've been hooked
>ever since. I managed to get all my friends into it, and we all still talk
>about it and recruit new members on occasion, but none of them are as ardent
>fans as I am.
>
>So, nice to meet you too! Always nice to have new blood to flame! ;-) Or new
>bodies to inhabit!
>
>BOB
>oops, I mean MIKE
>"Laura was my cousin."
--
Multiple simultaneous parallel systemic failures = Y2k
Y2k arrives in <500 days,like a small Hollywood asteroid.
Read comp.software.year-2000, or get flattened.
Marcelo E Mazzanti
OK, I'm 31 going for 32 real soon now (I'm Scorpio, not that I believe in
that... or do I?,) I mainly work in advertising and Web-publishing, I'm
single (and singler by the minute,) I live in Barcelona (some say it's in
Spain, others don't, legally it is) though I'm stateless, I'm so much into
movies and books and music that I'm unable to catch up with myself, and
watched TP since it premiered here -I was already a big Lynch fan since
Eraserhead and the series got so much hype before it was premiered that I
was biting my nails a month before. I never missed an ep but kept thinking
how far from its original greatness was becoming, and I didn't much care for
the ending the first time I saw it (I've changed a lot my opinion on this
since then.)
At the time everybody was watching TP or hating it -just the intro music
made many people too nervous to watch the show, others thought of it as just
a 'yuppie soap opera' (Yes, Jose Maria! I still remember that! A pox on
you!) I met my then-girlfriend while discussing the pilot, so I guess I owe
Lynch -OK... and Frost- more than a great TV show. At the time I was much
into comics, so the big discussion with my friends was 'How Watchmen
affected TP' (basically the Invitation to Love thing.)
Funny enough (or not,) not a single one of my friends from that time gives a
fig about the show now, and they look quite puzzled when I tell them there's
still this NG and a ton of Web pages devoted to it. They basically think I'm
more stuck than a drawer with Josie in the handle.
And that's about it, I guess... So, nice to meet you too! (I also have a
little 'server problem' that prevents me from getting many posts the first
time, so I'm getting used to answer second-hand.)
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
Golden Brown Honey Wagon Driver
Igg444 escribió en mensaje
<199809130014...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>>Who are we?
>>
>>I mean, who are we--the Twin Peaks watchers of modern day?
>
>>I rarely meet anyone who still watches the show, which leaves me wondering
>>the
>>type person and occupation of those that do. So let's get to know each
other,
>>as a society of Peakers.
>
>I think we did something like this not too long ago, didn't we?
Mirjam Visser
BOB WOW) 11 years, Cancer, not a believer of astrology, taking a big interest
in astronomy as a member of an astronomyclub, meaning that we run around with
telescopes if the weather is right, watching meteors, eclipses etc, have been
working for quite a few years, went back to study (law at Maastricht University
(Netherlands) and will be finishing it in a few weeks, working temporarily as
a secretary in a lawyers office, hoping to find a nice job in the lawbusiness
very soon (my specialization is criminal law, criminology and human rights),
I'm hooked on reading all sorts of literature, consider myself to be a real
Trekkie, love archeology, music (almost everything exept (trash)metal etc).
I love movies and going to the cinema, collector of Walt Disney Cartoons
(classics as Jungle Book etc), I love art: mostly Jugendstil, ArtDeco, Art
Nouveau (ran out of synonyms here) collecting stamps and friends from all over
the world. I'm a BIG fan of Twin Peaks from the very beginning. I still am and
that is why I am so happy with this NG. Fellowpeakers are very rarey found in
the Netherlands. I think I'm hooked for life. Everybody got crazy of it, I
played the soundtrack so often all the people around me started yelling at me
because they got so nervous by the music. Well, that something of who I am
and I'm interested in lots and lots more. (Hey Marcelo, when is your birtday?
Must be around november???)
>And that's about it, I guess... So, nice to meet you too!
Count me in...
>Igg444 escribió en mensaje
><199809130014...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
>>>Who are we?
>>>
>>>I mean, who are we--the Twin Peaks watchers of modern day?
>>
>>>I rarely meet anyone who still watches the show, which leaves me wondering
>>>the
>>>type person and occupation of those that do. So let's get to know each
>other,
>>>as a society of Peakers.
>>
>>I think we did something like this not too long ago, didn't we?
>>Anyway, I'm 27, single, upstate NY, white. I'm a CPA (certified public
>>accountant for our non-American friends :-) ). I love music and movies -
>>especially Lynch. Started watching in 1990 during the repeats of the first
>>season - the 3rd ep- the funeral- was the first I saw, and I've been hooked
>>ever since. I managed to get all my friends into it, and we all still talk
>>about it and recruit new members on occasion, but none of them are as
>ardent
>>fans as I am.
>>
>>So, nice to meet you too! Always nice to have new blood to flame! ;-) Or
>new
>>bodies to inhabit!
>>
>>BOB
>>oops, I mean MIKE
>>"Laura was my cousin."
--
Mirjam.
The truth is out there and beware,
so am I!
Marcelo E Mazzanti
(Mirjam Visser)
>Let's see, I have been thirty the last three years, engaged for almost (WOW
>BOB WOW) 11 years, Cancer, not a believer of astrology, taking a big
interest in >astronomy as a member of an astronomyclub,
I don't think there are many astronomers who believe in astrology (or many
astrologists than can accept the fact that there actually are more planets
in our system than could be seen a couple of milennia ago.)
>[...] I love movies and going to the cinema, collector of Walt Disney
Cartoons
>(classics as Jungle Book etc),
Just your basic bare necessities! God I love that movie (The Monkey Song,
Louis Armstrong style, is just damn *great*!)
>I love art: mostly Jugendstil, ArtDeco, Art Nouveau (ran out of synonyms
here)
Modernism! (Catalan Art Nouveau basically, though I'd be beaten to death is
someone from around here read this.)
>(Hey Marcelo, when is your birtday? Must be around november???)
Close enough for someone who doesn't believe in astrology! (I don't either.)
It's 14 November, 11:30 PM. A couple of months and I'll be... er, thirty...
for the third year too. :) And yours?
Wmvrrvrrmm
Visser) writes:
> collector of Walt Disney Cartoons
Well, if you can come out with something like that, then I'll tell you now I
collect books of Charles Addams cartoons. And I told you that because I think
that Charles Addams would have assumed that David Lynch was a bit of a fan of
his judging from a few of the ideas in Eraserhead. I won't try to assume that
David Lynch was one though.
Wmvrrvrrmm
Wmvrrvrrmm
JosephA_Monticello
following personal info...
29 year old white male, student at Valdosta State University,
majoring in music and history. Hope to be a working musician one day,
fame is optional, but to be able to pay my bills doing nothing else is a
dream. As for thw comment that the show is old and who would STILL be
watching it (meant amicably, i know) I am proof that there are new
converts to the club all of the time. I just finished the whole "Peaks
experience" this weekend with the "Fire Walk With Me" film, and I only
started the series (a friend of mine got the boxed set) about 3 weeks ago.
AWESOME stuff!!!!!
Anyway, gotta run. I'm at work and they don't pay me to surf the
net all day (but wouldn't it be nice...)
Later
J
SDA
Shawn Allen. 36. Caucasian. Male. Pisces. Currently unemployed and back in
college (Sociology). Also owner of a (VERY) small business that does website
design and graphics.
Actually caught the pilot of TP in a bar! It was running on the widescreen w/o
sound and I ran home, set up the VCR to tape it and went back to get drunk.
Watched it the next morning with a splitting headache and ended up with a migraine,
and was hooked. Watched that tape another 3 times before the next installment.
I was initially hooked by the stylish and surreal nature of the pilot, but soon
became aware that there was more to the story than we got from the first 6
episodes. I was not at all surprised when the supernatural entered into the plot.
It seemed obvious.
I turned on two other friends to the show who are still fans, as well. We
sometimes discuss the show as if it still were on. It's just on a long hiatus . .
. In fact, they now have my prized boxed set of the series and are watching it!
(And they live in another state!)
Recently, I found a boxed set of the series at the Incredible Universe closeout
sale. I IMMEDIATELY murdered a cheerleader for the money to buy it. Just
kidding. Actually, I was quite broke at the time and did several odd jobs to make
the $$ to afford the set. (I don't know what this says about my priorities . . .
) I watched it with two newer friends and they also love the show now. One -- an
avowed TP hater -- actually discovered that the show was much better than the
disconnected episodes he's previously seen.
As for the soap opera that is TP -- never mistake the fact that it is just that, a
grim, surreal and sexy soap opera! The major difference is that these are
characters one can actually like, hate, love and care about! Even the ornery Ben
Horne, the jerky Jerry, addled Andy and lighter-than-air Lucy, Major Biggs and crew
are all loveable in their own ways. Of course, everyone gushes about Dale and
Audrey, Josie and Harry and so on; but this show would have been nothing without
the supporting players (some of whom were just beginning to enter the stage as
major players). Sure, the Black Widow sub-plot stunk. So what show doesn't have
bad moments? (OK so that lasted tooooo long!)
Anyway, I guess that marks me as an addict.
BTW, I do not live above a grocery store. and I do not have zig-zag black and
white tiles in my home -- ANYWHERE!
Shawn
CannonE wrote:
> Who are we?
>
> I mean, who are we--the Twin Peaks watchers of modern day?
>
> I rarely meet anyone who still watches the show, which leaves me wondering the
> type person and occupation of those that do. So let's get to know each other,
> as a society of Peakers.
>
jason ronbeck
responses, i thought it looked kinda fun ;)
i guess im the youngest peaker to post in this thread so far... im 17 in
minnesota (twin cities). still in highschool. i wanna go out to
washinton prob for college. we went looking at colleges this summer and
i got my first chance to go through snoqualmie falls and see real twin
peaks stuff, which i got a kick out of ;)
umm. i wish i could say i remember watching the show as a kid, or
something like that, but i cant. i didnt get into the show till last
fall when my mom made me watch fire walk with me... yes, this is kinda
weird. heh. so i watched fwwm, and i wuz amazed. i HAD to see the
series.... well, i ordered em in dec, and finally got the entire series,
uh, last month (there were probs. heh). in the time between tho i found
out just how awesome david lynch wuz, got to see lost highway, wild at
heart, eraserhead, etc. blue velvet took a while (parents wanted to
censor. well, i just ordered a copy and they still dotn know ive seen
it. heh).
i guess as for other stuff, i basically a computer geek. i have been for
about five years now (i remember internet b4 www. whoa. heh). i am also
really really into music. one of the reasons my interest in lynch
propelled wuz that my fav band, the pixies, did a cover of 'in heaven'
and the lead singer thought lynch wuz a kewl person, so im like 'yeh,
ill give it a try.' other music i like includes smashing pumpkins, sonic
youth, nine inch nails, lush, nirvana, garbage. oh, and of course, i luv
julee cruise and robbie d's AWESOME lynch megamix. hehe.
other movies i like include brazil and 12 monkeys by terry gilliam,
clockwork orange, blade runner, city of the lost children... that kinda
stuff. reading is something i like too. i read a LOT of vonnegut last
year, and now im trying to get through the terribly difficuly 'gravity's
rainbow' by thomas pynchon... which, yeh, is well worth it.
oh, and some ppl have posted their astrological sign. well, im a pisces,
and i luv it. in fact, my bday is kinda kewl. u see, i wuz born
22feb1981, and that wuz a c-section. i have a feeling (now at least)
that i would norm be born on 23feb... umm. any signifigance? 22feb laura
and coop had that strange dream, 23feb laura dies. hmm. also, kyle
maclaughlin wuz born 22feb ;)
anyway, thats who i am ;)
--
-=jason ronbeck=-
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ja...@thecompany.net or jason....@thecompany.net
http://thecompany.net/jason/ (in progress)
icq #5181909
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Proverbs for Paranoids ~
1: You may never get to touch the Master, but you can tickle
his creatures.
2: The innocence of the creatures is in inverse proportion to
the immorality of the Master.
3: If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't
have to worry about answers.
4: You hide, they seek.
5: Paranoids are not paranoids because they're paranoid, but
because they keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately
into paranoid situations.
From Thomas Pynchon's /Gravity's Rainbow/ (1973)
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Marcelo E Mazzanti
jason ronbeck escribió en mensaje <35FEEA0A...@thecompany.net>...
>
>[...] i wish i could say i remember watching the show as a kid, or
>something like that, but i cant. i didnt get into the show till last
>fall when my mom made me watch fire walk with me... yes, this is kinda
Now where did you get a mom like that?!? (Becoz I'd love to order one!)
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
'You get what everyone gets: you get a lifetime.' -Neil Gaiman
jason ronbeck
haha. well, its called catholic school. yup. she used to go to catholic
school, and we all know what that does to ppl.... however, although she
insisted that i wach fwwm and wild at heart, she still never let me see
blue velvet, and i recently found she doesnt want me to see boxing
helena either... (im working on my work-around for that one. haha)
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Hey! You should listen to ur mom! Don't watch Boxing Helena! It's bad in the
bad sense! (Though I saw it the first day, first session it was shown in
theaters here, so I understand you plenty!)
About Blue Velvet... some won't agree, but for me it's Lynch's best! It's
not like it's more violent or anything than WaH... it's just much more
believable... U can tell ur ma I saw it b4 TP or anything, when I was not
much more than ur age, and I don't go around cutting nobody's ears off...
yet. Anyway, tons of luck 4u!
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
'You get what everyone gets: you get a lifetime.' -Neil Gaiman
jason ronbeck escribió en mensaje <35FF19DC...@thecompany.net>...
Arct...@ix.netcom.com
self-Employed (partners in a Cellular phone and pager store). I'm single (no time
for relationships right now owning your own business.....it takes up a lot of your
time). And I live in the Bay Area of California.
I was one of the unfotrunate ones that didn't actually watch the show while
it was on TV. But my girlfriend at the time LOVED Chris Isaak so we decided to go
and see FWWM in the theatres. We were in utter AMAZEMENT with the movie....it was
deathly scary and very saddening, just an emotional and physical roller coster of a
movie. So of course from that point on we were hooked, I bought all the episodes
and we watched them over and over again.
I love discussing TP with new viewers and was very greatful that I stumbled
across this NG. Thanks for all the ideasand help me understand somethings that i
nevercould before....and i hope that I have done the same for someone else!!!
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Arct...@ix.netcom.com escribió en mensaje
<3600064F...@ix.netcom.com>...
>
>I love discussing TP with new viewers and was very greatful that I stumbled
across >this NG. Thanks for all the ideasand help me understand somethings
someone else!!!
You did. So, speaking for myself, a big welcome to you!
Mirjam Visser
>
>(Mirjam Visser)
>
>>Let's see, I have been thirty the last three years, engaged for almost (WOW
>>BOB WOW) 11 years, Cancer, not a believer of astrology, taking a big
>interest in astronomy as a member of an astronomyclub,
>
>I don't think there are many astronomers who believe in astrology (or many
>astrologists than can accept the fact that there actually are more planets
>in our system than could be seen a couple of milennia ago.)
Absolutely true. I don't believe in astrology: too much guessing imho.
Not trying to offend people who believe in astrology. I was hooked from the
very beginning when I first looked through a telescope. It is overwhelming!
We are all so very small in this big universe.
>>[...] I love movies and going to the cinema, collector of Walt Disney
>Cartoons
>>(classics as Jungle Book etc),
>Just your basic bare necessities! God I love that movie (The Monkey Song,
>Louis Armstrong style, is just damn *great*!)
IMHO it is Walt Disney's masterpiece. Looking at Junglebook there is a lot
to recognize about people and that why it is so great.
>>I love art: mostly Jugendstil, ArtDeco, Art Nouveau (ran out of synonyms
>here)
>Modernism! (Catalan Art Nouveau basically, though I'd be beaten to death is
>someone from around here read this.)
I walked around in a fairytale in Prague two years ago and I'm dying to see
Sagrada Familia and Parc Guell one day. I'm a big fan of Gaudi and Tiffany.
>>(Hey Marcelo, when is your birtday? Must be around november???)
>Close enough for someone who doesn't believe in astrology! (I don't either.)
>It's 14 November, 11:30 PM. A couple of months and I'll be... er, thirty...
>for the third year too. :) And yours?
June 26th 1965 (great year (^0^))
Let's see: makes thirty (?)
Mirjam Visser
>In article <Ez8M1...@vulcan.xs4all.nl>, mir...@vulcan.xs4all.nl (Mirjam
>Visser) writes:
>
>
>collect books of Charles Addams cartoons. And I told you that because I think
>that Charles Addams would have assumed that David Lynch was a bit of a fan of
>his judging from a few of the ideas in Eraserhead. I won't try to assume that
>David Lynch was one though.
Is there something wrong with Walt Disney Cartoons then? I see no problem
here. They are very cute! Junglebook is my fav.
I have never heard about Charles Addams anyway. Do you have any particulars?
Thanks in advance.
Rey Pamatmat
>
> Who are we?
>
> I mean, who are we--the Twin Peaks watchers of modern day?
>
> I rarely meet anyone who still watches the show, which leaves me wondering the
> type person and occupation of those that do. So let's get to know each other,
> as a society of Peakers.
>
> I'll go first:
>
> I'm a 23 year old married, first year medical student living in Memphis, TN. I
> started watching the series twords the end of the first season, and have
> rented, and later bought it to watch. I'm white, enjoy lifting weights,
> outdoor stuff (climbing, hiking), and novels when I have the time.
>
> Nice to know you all......(email your reply's to me!)
>
> Cannon
All right, I've finally decided to go ahead and do this since everyone
else has (peer pressure!). The only reason I didn't want to is because I
think people here think I'm older than I am because I was an original
airing watcher. But I am only 22, and yes I was watching TP when I was
14 and 15 years old. I actually think that's why I've stuck with it for
so long: the fact that I was too young to understand it all kept me
engaged until I could piece more and more of it together. And, of
course, now I know everything about TP there is to know. (Yeah, and BTW
I have this bridge for sale...)
I'm a Pisces (why has everyone been listing their signs when no one
believes in them? I actually do...at least partially...I have this
theory, but I guess that's for a different NG) and I've noticed that
there are A LOT of other Pisces here. I'm a secretary, uh, I mean
"executive assistant" by day and a struggling playwright by night.I live
in NY, but I'm from Michigan. Other interests: comics, literature,
children's books, japanimation, Start Trek, and I have a minor in gender
studies that I like to whip out every once in awhile. I've popped in
and out of the NG forever, but only started posting regularly about a
month ago. And...that's it, I guess. What else should I say?
Rey
Marcelo E Mazzanti
>Is there something wrong with Walt Disney Cartoons then? I see no problem
>here. They are very cute! Junglebook is my fav. [...]
>--
>Mirjam.
>
>The truth is out there and beware,
>so am I!
Yes indeed! Anyone wanna make something of it? Because I warn you that I'm
the king of the swingers, the jungle VIP!
And it's even TP-related!
'Don't try to kid me, man-cub
And don't get in a stew
What I desire is man's red fire
So I can be like you.'
Marcelo E Mazzanti
>Absolutely true. I don't believe in astrology: too much guessing imho.
>Not trying to offend people who believe in astrology. I was hooked from the
>very beginning when I first looked through a telescope. It is overwhelming!
>We are all so very small in this big universe.
Mmm, from what you wrote about yourself, in your case 'small' may be a very
relative term... :) (though I'll say it again: *I* *AM* *THE* *GIANT*!)
>IMHO it is Walt Disney's masterpiece. Looking at Junglebook there is a lot
>to recognize about people and that why it is so great.
No doubt. I'm not a total Disney fan myself, but The Jungle Book is one of
my top-ten movies! (Along with Blue Velvet, if you can believe that...)
>I walked around in a fairytale in Prague two years ago and I'm dying to see
>Sagrada Familia and Parc Guell one day. I'm a big fan of Gaudi and Tiffany.
Hey! Gail Tiffany! That's one of my favs! (Er, sorry, that was totally
uncalled for.) Anyway, like I said, you're invited anytime!
>June 26th 1965 (great year (^0^))
>Let's see: makes thirty (?)
>--
>Mirjam.
>
>The truth is out there and beware,
>so am I!
Yesterday... Satisfaction... Go Now... Crying in the Chapel... even Concrete
and Clay... you... not a bad year at all! (Then again, there was also I Got
You Babe! Aargh!)
'66 wasn't half bad, either: Good Vibrations... Reach Out I'll Be There...
Paint It, Black... Eleanor Rigby... (Then again, there was also me...
:) ).
And of course that doesn't make 30! That makes 29, as everybody knows! Same
as last year, same as the next! :)
Wmvrrvrrmm
Visser) writes:
>Is there something wrong with Walt Disney Cartoons then? I see no problem
>here. They are very cute! Junglebook is my fav.
>I have never heard about Charles Addams anyway. Do you have any particulars?
>Thanks in advance.
>--
No, there's nothing wrong with Walt Disney, but if Walt Disney can have a
mention, then I'm going to put in a word for Charles Addams. Well Charles
Addams did cartoon drawings for the New Yorker, and quite often he used to draw
a family of spooky looking people ( which formed the basis of a TV series later
on), and other things too that showed off a brilliantly sadistic, wicked and
obscure sense of humour.
I'm going to say that I'm a bit thin on the ground here about making a real
comparison, I'll have to look up certain little cartoons again to tell you in
particular which one's I'm talking about, and I'm not in the state of mind to
do that presently, but in some of his obscure images he liked to draw miniature
people coming out of small spaces as if the person seeing them was
hallucinating (which always makes ask questions about the kind of idea that
leads to the exsiance of the acney ridden lady in her little cube of space in
the radiator ) and he liked to draw scenes taking place outside the delivery
room in hospitals where it seemed that amongst the variations of the scene the
doctor was relieved to be able to tell the father that that the baby was human
(which reminded me of a cut out scene where the nurse wasn't sure whether the
baby was human or not.) Of course I feel that Lynch went beyond the conventions
of Addam's weirdness,Lynch has always been a little more other dimensional and
Kafka-esque in his nature and has never had to illustrate coherent and
attractive ideas for the New Yorker, but if they had met, I think that they
might have had a few words to say to one another, or if not, at least they
could bow to one another.
Rey Pamatmat
Kafka-esque? In what way?
Rey
Rey Pamatmat
similarities in style, the themes of Lynch's work are very
un-Kafkaesque. The nightmarish conditions, the sense of sinister evil
from "ruling" bodies, and the stark atmospheres seem in Lynch's work to
inspire (when you get all the way to the end) a sense of hope, not
hopelessness. All of Lynch's movies also inspire a security with the
main characters' identities rather than a loss of it as happens in Kafka
(Metamorphosis, The Trial, even Amerika a little). For example,
Jeffrey (in Blue Velvet), Sailor and Lula (WAH), and Laura seem MORE
secure in themselves by the ends of their stories, and definitely
stronger.
It's almost like Lynch is the anti-Kafka...a lot of the same atmospheric
effects, but with the exact opposite results.
But then Lost Highway just swoops on in and wipes all that out...
Rey
Wmvrrvrrmm
<rpa...@owl.cnchost.com> writes:
>
>It's almost like Lynch is the anti-Kafka...a lot of the same atmospheric
>effects, but with the exact opposite results.
I don't wish to approach this situation in too much an intellectual way, I
would use Kafka-esque more so in terms of Eraserhead which was the movie I was
drawing comparisons with earlier on. It's a bit like a Kafka-esque nightmare.
And Lynch is certainly more Kafka-esque than Charles Addams is.
Anyway Lynch is a great Kafka fan, and identifies with him very strongly, and
would would like to make a film of Kafka's Metamorphosis.
I would have to think a little more about the question you've asked.
Mirjam Visser
Thanks for the info. Charles Addams is as far as I know not known here, but
it sounds nice. Maybe I should try to find it in a comicsshop. I mostly like
cartoondrawings for the papers. (Oops, here I go again: Garfield, Snoopy,
the Judge (The latter being a dutch cartoondrawing for a dutch paper).
Mirjam Visser
>
>>Is there something wrong with Walt Disney Cartoons then? I see no problem
>>--
>>Mirjam.
>>
>>The truth is out there and beware,
>>so am I!
>
>
>the king of the swingers, the jungle VIP!
Doebiedoeaaa..... have a banana, no have two banana's :) Now we are talking!
>And it's even TP-related!
>
>'Don't try to kid me, man-cub
>And don't get in a stew
>What I desire is man's red fire
>So I can be like you.'
Hey, I hadn't thought of that yet! Great! Fire walk with me...
Mirjam Visser
>>Not trying to offend people who believe in astrology. I was hooked from the
>>very beginning when I first looked through a telescope. It is overwhelming!
>>We are all so very small in this big universe.
>
>
>Mmm, from what you wrote about yourself, in your case 'small' may be a very
>relative term... :) (though I'll say it again: *I* *AM* *THE* *GIANT*!)
And you just told that you are the jungle VIP? :) So this should make me the
giant...
>>IMHO it is Walt Disney's masterpiece. Looking at Junglebook there is a lot
>>to recognize about people and that why it is so great.
>No doubt. I'm not a total Disney fan myself, but The Jungle Book is one of
>my top-ten movies! (Along with Blue Velvet, if you can believe that...)
I'm also not a total Disneyfan. I only collect the "classic" movies as
Junglebook, Cinderella, Snowy White, 101 Dalmatians, Dombo, Aristocats etc.
This doesn't also include Ducktales (Yuk, in my opinion and these kind of
cartoons). But Junglebook is on top of the hot one hundred.
>>I walked around in a fairytale in Prague two years ago and I'm dying to see
>>Sagrada Familia and Parc Guell one day. I'm a big fan of Gaudi and Tiffany.
>Hey! Gail Tiffany! That's one of my favs! (Er, sorry, that was totally
>uncalled for.) Anyway, like I said, you're invited anytime!
Geez, makes my skin creep... But funny, I expected something like this... I
thought of it when I had sent the message, the resemblance to the name makes
you wonder. But talking about Barcelona, I hope to go there one day to see
all these beautiful things. My sister-in-law went there two years ago and
she was completely dazzled by Gaudi's church. She came home with an enormous
scalemodel of Sagrada Familia. The only problem was that she has to make
this difficult thing herself. It is not finished yet, but it is huge!
Anyway, I will tell you when I'm leaving for Spain.
>>June 26th 1965 (great year (^0^))
>>Let's see: makes thirty (?)
>>--
>>Mirjam.
>Yesterday... Satisfaction... Go Now... Crying in the Chapel... even Concrete
>and Clay... you... not a bad year at all! (Then again, there was also I Got
>You Babe! Aargh!)
Yeah, talking about the sentimentalia...sigh....!
>'66 wasn't half bad, either: Good Vibrations... Reach Out I'll Be There...
>Paint It, Black... Eleanor Rigby... (Then again, there was also me...
> :) ).
So, hi then and a big welcome to you! :)
>And of course that doesn't make 30! That makes 29, as everybody knows! Same
>as last year, same as the next! :)
Then I think I will stay 29 for the rest of my life :)
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Mirjam Visser escribió en mensaje ...
>
>Doebiedoeaaa..... have a banana, no have two banana's :) Now we are
talking!
>--
>Mirjam.
>
>The truth is out there and beware,
>so am I!
Hey! You just gave good ole, I mean, evil ole Doppel fuel for another whole
year with his monkeyspanker business! (Not that I hadn't got that coming...)
karLoS - C - XiNG
> Is there something wrong with Walt Disney Cartoons then? I see no problem
> here. They are very cute! Junglebook is my fav.
> I have never heard about Charles Addams anyway. Do you have any particulars?
> Thanks in advance.
> --
> Mirjam.
>
> The truth is out there and beware,
> so am I!
hmmm, other than the fact that Walt Disnep was a member of the american nazi
party in the '30's, and that many of the cartoons were highly racist and
stereotypical of black people, you're right: there's nothing wrong with Disney
cartoons.
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Rey Pamatmat escribió en mensaje <360506...@owl.cnchost.com>...
>
>But then Lost Highway just swoops on in and wipes all that out...
>
>Rey
Why does it wipe all that out? I share your opinion 100% (In fact, I may be
even a little more radical than you in that). OK, he changed it with LH, but
then, artists evolve, don't they?
Anyway, I guess we'll know if he ever gets to do his 'Metamorphosis'
adaptation...
Marcelo E Mazzanti
>And you just told that you are the jungle VIP? :) So this should make me
the
>giant...
Hey, what's with you people? Now everybody wants to be the Giant! If you
only knew what a drag of a job it is! Every time I try to sleep, there's
always someone who goes: 'Hey, Giant, wake up, you have to go take that FBI
guy his ring!', 'Hey, Giant, wake up, you have to go tell 'em it's happening
again!', 'Hey, Giant, wake up and go to that Roadhouse and say no, no, and
try to gesticulate a little more this time, OK?'. And it's not like it pays
a lot, oh no! (though I do a little fringe business on the side pawning
rings.) And yes, it's free room and board, but what a room, with all those
empty eyed people running around at all hours, and the food, garmonbozia for
breakfast, garmonbozia for lunch, garmonbozia for dinner! And of course they
don't allow me to grab a burger while I'm at the Roadhouse because they
think that wouldn't be serious! So you want to be the Giant! It's all yours!
I'll send you the paperwork 25 years from now!
>Geez, makes my skin creep... But funny, I expected something like this... I
>thought of it when I had sent the message, the resemblance to the name
makes
>you wonder.
I guess it was a little obvious... :)
>But talking about Barcelona, I hope to go there one day to see
>all these beautiful things. My sister-in-law went there two years ago and
>she was completely dazzled by Gaudi's church. She came home with an
enormous
>scalemodel of Sagrada Familia. The only problem was that she has to make
>this difficult thing herself. It is not finished yet, but it is huge!
>Anyway, I will tell you when I'm leaving for Spain.
I know, I also have one of those... I think I'll have it finished by the
time of the real thing... I suspect making the real one would be less work!
And yes, do tell if you're coming! The only Dutch people we get around here
lately are soccer players...
>Then I think I will stay 29 for the rest of my life :)
>
>--
>Mirjam.
>
>The truth is out there and beware,
>so am I!
That's the idea. Works for me!
Rey Pamatmat
>
> Rey Pamatmat escribió en mensaje <360506...@owl.cnchost.com>...
> >
> >But then Lost Highway just swoops on in and wipes all that out...
> >
> >Rey
>
> Why does it wipe all that out? I share your opinion 100% (In fact, I may be
> even a little more radical than you in that). OK, he changed it with LH, but
> then, artists evolve, don't they?
>
> Anyway, I guess we'll know if he ever gets to do his 'Metamorphosis'
> adaptation...
>
> 'You get what everyone gets: you get a lifetime.' -Neil Gaiman
Well, it's just that LH actually IS Kafka-esque. Because of the
nightmarish conditions, Fred does, in fact, lose his sense of identity,
succumbs to sinister power structures (Mr. Eddy's/Dick Laurent's porn
industry), and the movie ends with a sort of insane hopelessness.
Also, the person who wrote the original post, Wmvrrvrrmm (do you have a
name by the way?), mentioned Eraserhead when responding also brought up
how Kafka-esque that movie was which is true. All of this set me
thinking: I consider LH to finaly be DL's complete departure from the
commercial realm he got sucked into by Blue Velvet and even Twin
Peaks...maybe in the end he DOES buy into a sort of hopelessness...
I can't bring myself to fully believe that, though. What with his
Republican ways and all.
Rey
Rey Pamatmat
>
> Mirjam Visser wrote:
>
> > Is there something wrong with Walt Disney Cartoons then? I see no problem
> > here. They are very cute! Junglebook is my fav.
> > I have never heard about Charles Addams anyway. Do you have any particulars?
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Mirjam.
> >
> > The truth is out there and beware,
> > so am I!
>
> party in the '30's, and that many of the cartoons were highly racist and
> stereotypical of black people, you're right: there's nothing wrong with Disney
> cartoons.
>
There are plenty of other awful things that you could say about Uncle
Walt, but I don't think this is the place for them. But just because I
think you were being kind of rude to Mirjam (who I like from reading her
posts), let me just say that people have linked Disney to the mafia,
devil worshippers, and everything from insane born again religious
groups to indeed the Nazi party. Why give one rumor creedence over
another? In the end, the only reason people say these things is because
he made a huge amount of shady business deals to build Disney World.
Secondly, and speaking as a person of color (though, for fairness sake,
not black), to expect anyone from the early 1900's to produce work that
doesn't stereotype someone is asking them to be more than human and
transcend the whole of the current discourse. Ever read American Fairy
Tales or The Master Key by L. Frank Baum, author of the Wonderful Wizard
of Oz? They're more racist than anything.
I am not a Disney fan and consciously boycott everything they do. But
why would I want to insert such a comment when two people are making
friends here on the NG?
Of course, if you didn't intend rudeness, I apologize...I am writing
very early in the morning again (Doppel, shut up or I'm calling your
doctor and getting him to send you that...AHHH, it is happening again!)
Rey
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
wrote:
>There are plenty of other awful things that you could say about Uncle
>Walt, but I don't think this is the place for them.
There's a place and time for everything. This is neither the time nor
the place for this. But maybe in 25 years or so...
>I am not a Disney fan and consciously boycott everything they do.
I thought that we weren't gonna talk about Judy...er Disney ;-)
>Of course, if you didn't intend rudeness, I apologize...
Hmmm, we're pretty similar in some ways you and I. "How so?" you say.
I'll tell you: Except from the obvious that we both adore TP we both
misunderstand everyone, everyone misunderstands us and we're always
apologizing left and right for stupid ass things we say to early in
the morning/to late in the night :-D ....hmmm :-(
>I am writing very early in the morning again (Doppel, shut up or I'm calling your
>doctor and getting him to send you that...AHHH, it is happening again!)
LOL!
Btw Are _you_ the giant? I thought Marcelo was the giant...
(Wmvrrvrrmm, I dedicate that one to you :-)
______________________________________________________________
doppel...@hotmail.com® The things I write is a code waiting to be broken
COOPER: Who's the lady with the log? TRUMAN: We call her the Log Lady
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
<marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>>And you just told that you are the jungle VIP? :)
I thought I was the jungle VIP...? (ehh.. whatever that is :-)
>So this should make me the giant...
Are _you_ the giant? I thought Marcelo was the giant...
(Dedicated to MattSkomra for being such a good poster :-)
>Hey, what's with you people?
You tell me!! All people here just freaks me out!! Especially me,
myself and I... [thinks to self: hmmm better put an smiley there so
people think I'm joking and don't realize that I'm completely schizo
with one of my personalities being Gail Tiffee and the other Walt
Disney...] ehhh... ;-)
>Now everybody wants to be the Giant!
Not me!! I have enough work keeping track of my twelve different
personalities so you keep your job! I must say you're a damn fine
giant!! even though you steal people's rings (hmmm... maybe you really
_are_ evil!?! ...though probably not. I've heard rumours you return
them to the rightful owners later and stuff...) ...no seriously I
think you make a damn fine giant even though it must be hard to be
taken seriously considering you're only 1,40m tall... ;-) [thinks to
self: I thought I told you to stop rambling! No you didn't! yes I did.
Yeah he did. Are you sure? Why didn't anybody tell me?? I'll kill you
you basta... ehh.. they're looking at us!! Act normal!!] ...ehhhh, so
nice weatcher we're having lately.
> If you only knew what a drag of a job it is! Every time I try to sleep, there's
>always someone who goes: 'Hey, Giant, wake up, you have to go take that FBI
>guy his ring!', 'Hey, Giant, wake up, you have to go tell 'em it's happening
>again!', 'Hey, Giant, wake up and go to that Roadhouse and say no, no, and
>try to gesticulate a little more this time, OK?'. And it's not like it pays
>a lot, oh no! (though I do a little fringe business on the side pawning
>rings.) And yes, it's free room and board, but what a room, with all those
>empty eyed people running around at all hours, and the food, garmonbozia for
>breakfast, garmonbozia for lunch, garmonbozia for dinner! And of course they
>don't allow me to grab a burger while I'm at the Roadhouse because they
>think that wouldn't be serious! So you want to be the Giant! It's all yours!
>I'll send you the paperwork 25 years from now!
LOL!! You're the man (though not _the_ man=mike d :-) Marcelo!
OT: Marcelo are you into sports? I just saw our countries on TV in
training for Davis Cup. Pretty nice to see whatta friendly and relaxed
atmosphere there was between the players from the countries :-)
Btw: We (Sweden) will kick your (Spain) ass on our homecourt!!
...or maybe not. Don't really care :-)
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
<marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>>Doebiedoeaaa..... have a banana, no have two banana's :) Now we are
>talking!
>Hey! You just gave good ole, I mean, evil ole Doppel fuel for another whole
>year with his monkeyspanker business! (Not that I hadn't got that coming...)
>:)
ROTFL!
Be well. Stay Evil. Monkeyspänker!!! Bwahahahahahhaha!! ...eh, or
something... [thinks to self: ...eh, what the hell am I babbling about
here... mental note, stop crazy ramblings and start contributing with
theorys instead, stop ramblings and... etc etc etc]
Wmvrrvrrmm
Visser) writes:
>Charles Addams is as far as I know not known here, but
>it sounds nice.
The Addams Family!
Rey Pamatmat
> Btw Are _you_ the giant? I thought Marcelo was the giant...
> (Wmvrrvrrmm, I dedicate that one to you :-)
>
I, for one, do NOT want to be the giant. Always hitting your head on
doorways, wearing that stupid bowtie, and contemplating morbid things
like smiling bags and medication...no, thank you. The two of you can
continue to battle for the title.
Now, if someone wanted to hand out the title of The Log, then we'd be in
business! (And no, I'm not talking about James' acting ability, I mean
the real deal -- divinitory, all-knowing, and cradled in the arms of
that lovely lady, Margaret Lanterman.) ;-)
Rey
Rey Pamatmat
> Hmmm, we're pretty similar in some ways you and I. "How so?" you say.
> I'll tell you: Except from the obvious that we both adore TP we both
> misunderstand everyone, everyone misunderstands us and we're always
> apologizing left and right for stupid ass things we say to early in
> the morning/to late in the night :-D ....hmmm :-(
>
Yeah...did Rolling Stone contact you by the way? They want to do an
article called "The Misanthropes of Twin Peaks". We both get interviews
(taken really in the morning, of course) and they talk about things we
hate so that offensive garbage just falls out of our mouth that we end
up having to apologize for.
:-p
Rey
(You know, that just made me realize how hard it is to be deadpan by
e-mail...remind me not to do it again.)
Marcelo E Mazzanti
This is the same kind of thing that makes some Hebrews not listen to
Wagner's music. I have Hebrew blood in my veins (though only a small portion
of it) and I'm a militant anti-fascist... about the race thing, I'm Spanish
(well, I'm stateless but I live in Spain) and my skin's so white it's almost
transparent, so I can't truly say I understand the black people's plea,
though I try, being much interested in social anthropology. But that doesn't
prevent me from liking not Walt Disney personally but some of his
work -especially The Jungle Book (and yes, I don't like Kipling much
either). I think the key here is looking at it as a cartoon and not much
else... but I understand all too well how some people may thing the contrary
based on what you say.
Anyway, I consider myself a feminist also and I love Lynch's work (that's
why I'm here), though he himself seems to have a little problem with
women... :)
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
'This Is My Truth Now Tell Me Yours.' -MSP
karLoS - C - XiNG escribió en mensaje <3604A9FE...@lycosmail.com>...
>hmmm, other than the fact that Walt Disnep was a member of the american
nazi
>party in the '30's, and that many of the cartoons were highly racist and
>stereotypical of black people, you're right: there's nothing wrong with
Disney
>cartoons.
>
Marcelo E Mazzanti
>LOL!! You're the man (though not _the_ man=mike d :-) Marcelo!
Absolut Doppelcopper! (Sorry, I *had* to say it!)
Of course Mike D's *the* man. I'm just a simple, humble evil Giant!
>OT: Marcelo are you into sports? I just saw our countries on TV in
>training for Davis Cup. Pretty nice to see whatta friendly and relaxed
>atmosphere there was between the players from the countries :-)
>Btw: We (Sweden) will kick your (Spain) ass on our homecourt!!
>...or maybe not. Don't really care :-)
>______________________________________________________________
>doppel...@hotmail.com® The things I write is a code waiting to be broken
>COOPER: Who's the lady with the log? TRUMAN: We call her the Log Lady
I'm so much into sports that I didn't even know that! That's tennis, right?
The only thing I know about that is that instead of saying 'one, two, three,
four' they say 15, 30 etc, like they were telling the hour and rushing the
players to stop with that boring thing already... So, it's all yours!
Anyway, any country that has an election with 85% participation should have
some kind of trophy -even if it is the Davis Cup! It would be an entirely
different matter if it was the Davis Ring, of course! (mmm... don't mind
me... just keep up the good work, er, Walt!)
(BTW, notice carefully placed 'good' word!) ;)
Marcelo E Mazzanti
I only meant to say that the fact Lynch seems to have evolved as an artist
(and, like you say, we still have to confirm that) doesn't invalidate that
what you said *was* (or still is) completely true. And sorry, I don't see
very much Kafka in Eraserhead, though I sure do understand some of the
reasons for that comparison (but I personally think it's much more about
imagery than about meaning.)
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
'This Is My Truth Now Tell Me Yours.' -MSP
Rey Pamatmat escribió en mensaje <36066B...@owl.cnchost.com>...
>
>Well, it's just that LH actually IS Kafka-esque. [...]
>
>Also, the person who wrote the original post, Wmvrrvrrmm (do you have a
>name by the way?), mentioned Eraserhead when responding also brought up
>how Kafka-esque that movie was which is true. [...]
>
>Rey
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
wrote:
>I, for one, do NOT want to be the giant.
Always misunderstood..... I _don't_ wanna be the giant! It's the title
of most Evil !® person in this newsgroup I'm after!! >:-)
>Now, if someone wanted to hand out the title of The Log
>, then we'd be in business!
You wanna be James?
>(And no, I'm not talking about James' acting ability
Oh! My mistake! ;-)
>I mean the real deal -- divinitory, all-knowing, and cradled in the arms of
>that lovely lady, Margaret Lanterman.) ;-)
Isn't that special ! :-) (A little test, can anyone name the show,
character and actor who had that as "her" catchphrase?)
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
wrote:
>Yeah...did Rolling Stone contact you by the way?
Yeah... they want to do an article called "The Misanthropes of Twin
Peaks".
>They want to do an article called "The Misanthropes of Twin Peaks".
Wow BOB woW! I see that they've talked to you to! ;-)
>We both get interviews
>(taken really in the morning, of course) and they talk about things we
>hate so that offensive garbage just falls out of our mouth that we end
>up having to apologize for.
LOL!
>(You know, that just made me realize how hard it is to be deadpan by
>e-mail...remind me not to do it again.)
What's meant by "deadpan"? As soon as you tell me what it is I will
remind you not to do it again. I promise [thinks to self: bwhahahaha]
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
<marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>Absolut Doppelcopper! (Sorry, I *had* to say it!)
Hey Marcello! Learn to spell my name or be flattened! ;-)
>Of course Mike D's *the* man. I'm just a simple, humble evil Giant!
I didn't mean to disrespect you in any way. As I've said earlier, I
think you make a damn fine giant! :-) Though you're not yet as much
_the_ man as Mike D... But you are _the_ giant! Ok? ;-)
>The only thing I know about that is that instead of saying 'one, two, three,
>four' they say 15, 30 etc, like they were telling the hour and rushing the
>players to stop with that boring thing already... So, it's all yours!
I don't look at tennis very much but I'm rooting for Sweden to kick
your ass in this one!! ;-)
>Anyway, any country that has an election with 85% participation
Do you consider that high? I think that's lower than it usually is (or
rather has been in the past...) how high is the participation in
Spain? Much lower, or? Only 85% was probably because many people
stayed home because they're fed up with all the crap that's surrounds
politics, I'm one o those... Politicians aren't in politics to serve
the people, they're there to serve themself...
>It would be an entirely
>different matter if it was the Davis Ring, of course! (mmm... don't mind
>me... just keep up the good work, er, Walt!)
That's Mr. Nazi-bastard to you! ;-)
>(BTW, notice carefully placed 'good' word!) ;)
Aww... isn't that NICE of you. You're such a GREAT guy Marcello.
You're probably the most GOODHEARTED person I've met in my entire
life!! But it's of course a hard blow to see you trying to spread
malicious rumours here on the newsgroup that I'm NOT Evil !® The idea
and suggestion that I would be... good (yuck) is ludacris!! Though I
know you didn't meen anything at all by this course you're such a
GOOD, NICE, GREAT, GOODHEARTED guy that would never do anything that
bad intentionally.
Rey Pamatmat
>
> On 21 Sep 1998 20:22:20 PDT, Rey Pamatmat <rpa...@owl.cnchost.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I, for one, do NOT want to be the giant.
>
> Always misunderstood..... I _don't_ wanna be the giant! It's the title
>
> >Now, if someone wanted to hand out the title of The Log
> >, then we'd be in business!
>
> You wanna be James?
>
> >(And no, I'm not talking about James' acting ability
>
> Oh! My mistake! ;-)
>
> >I mean the real deal -- divinitory, all-knowing, and cradled in the arms of
> >that lovely lady, Margaret Lanterman.) ;-)
>
> Isn't that special ! :-) (A little test, can anyone name the show,
> character and actor who had that as "her" catchphrase?)
>
Mama's Family; Mama; Vicki Lawrence...right?
Rey
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
wrote:
>> Isn't that special ! :-) (A little test, can anyone name the show,
>> character and actor who had that as "her" catchphrase?)
>
>Mama's Family; Mama; Vicki Lawrence...right?
"Mama's Family"? Ehh... no that isn't the show I'm thinking of. Though
the show I'm thinking of may have taken the line from that show, I
don't know... Wanna guess again?
Marcelo E Mazzanti
>Secondly, and speaking as a person of color (though, for fairness sake,
>not black), to expect anyone from the early 1900's to produce work that
>doesn't stereotype someone is asking them to be more than human and
>transcend the whole of the current discourse.
Right! Painful though it must be to people of color (I really can relate to
that), one can never take any work out of its social context. But I know
this is something sooo easy for me to say!
>I am not a Disney fan and consciously boycott everything they do. But
>why would I want to insert such a comment when two people are making
>friends here on the NG? [...]
>
>Rey
Maybe because you had something interesting to say and this shouldn't
disturb at all the two people involved? And also this in the 'Who are we?'
thread, so I for myself think it fits perfectly well.
Mindy
doppel...@hotmail.comŽ wrote in message
<3607322...@news.algonet.se>...
>Isn't that special ! :-) (A little test, can anyone name the show,
>character and actor who had that as "her" catchphrase?)
>
Oh, easy one!
Church Chat (Saturday Night Live), The Church Lady, played by Dana Carvey...
Did I win???!!!!
Mindy
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
>>Isn't that special ! :-) (A little test, can anyone name the show,
>>character and actor who had that as "her" catchphrase?)
>
>Oh, easy one!
>
>Church Chat (Saturday Night Live), The Church Lady, played by Dana Carvey...
One hundred percent correct!!
You passed the test and can now enter the white lodge :-D
Marcelo E Mazzanti
doppel...@hotmail.com® escribió en mensaje
<36073517...@news.algonet.se>...
>
>Hey Marcello! Learn to spell my name or be flattened! ;-)
I don't know who this Marcello guy may be, I'm Marcelo! :)
>I didn't mean to disrespect you in any way. As I've said earlier, I
>think you make a damn fine giant! :-) Though you're not yet as much
>_the_ man as Mike D... But you are _the_ giant! Ok? ;-)
Actually, I think being the Giant is a lot less work than being Mike D!
>I don't look at tennis very much but I'm rooting for Sweden to kick
>your ass in this one!! ;-)
*My* ass? My ass is not Spanish, I told you (the rest of me isn't either).
And I couldn't care less about tennis, so I don't feel my ass to be in any
particular danger of being kicked right now. You only said that because
you're trying hard to be evil -and failing!
>>Anyway, any country that has an election with 85% participation
>
>Do you consider that high? I think that's lower than it usually is (or
>rather has been in the past...) how high is the participation in
>Spain? Much lower, or?
In Spain it's usually 60% or so, I understand that in England many times it
isn't even 50%... so yes, I consider that rather high.
>Only 85% was probably because many people
>stayed home because they're fed up with all the crap that's surrounds
>politics, I'm one o those... Politicians aren't in politics to serve
>the people, they're there to serve themself...
Mmm... I don't think so myself, but I guess the vast majority thinks the
same as you, whether they vote or not...
>That's Mr. Nazi-bastard to you! ;-)
>
>>(BTW, notice carefully placed 'good' word!) ;)
>
>Aww... isn't that NICE of you. You're such a GREAT guy Marcello.
>You're probably the most GOODHEARTED person I've met in my entire
>life!! But it's of course a hard blow to see you trying to spread
>malicious rumours here on the newsgroup that I'm NOT Evil !® The idea
>and suggestion that I would be... good (yuck) is ludacris!! Though I
>know you didn't meen anything at all by this course you're such a
>GOOD, NICE, GREAT, GOODHEARTED guy that would never do anything that
>bad intentionally.
>______________________________________________________________
>doppel...@hotmail.com® The things I write is a code waiting to be broken
>COOPER: Who's the lady with the log? TRUMAN: We call her the Log Lady
Yes, that 'Marcello' guy must be very nice... I've never met him though,
Walt Dinsey! :)
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Rey and doppel...@hotmail.com® did engage thus:
>
>>Yeah...did Rolling Stone contact you by the way?
>
>Yeah... they want to do an article called "The Misanthropes of Twin
>Peaks".
>
>>They want to do an article called "The Misanthropes of Twin Peaks".
>
>Wow BOB woW! I see that they've talked to you to! ;-)
>
LOL! (or that other thing, what was that? ROTFL? Anyway, you know.)
Mindy
doppel...@hotmail.comŽ wrote in message
<360919d4...@news.algonet.se>...
>On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:22:44 -0700, Mindy wrote:
>
>>>Isn't that special ! :-) (A little test, can anyone name the show,
>>>character and actor who had that as "her" catchphrase?)
>>
>>Oh, easy one!
>>
>>Church Chat (Saturday Night Live), The Church Lady, played by Dana
Carvey...
>
>One hundred percent correct!!
>
>You passed the test and can now enter the white lodge :-D
>
>
Yay! Finally, I can get out of this darn Waiting Room. Some little guy in
a red suit keeps asking me to dance and I'm really tired of creamed corn for
dinner. White Lodge and eternal bliss, here I come...
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
wrote:
>Yay! Finally, I can get out of this darn Waiting Room. Some little guy in
>a red suit keeps asking me to dance and I'm really tired of creamed corn for
>dinner. White Lodge and eternal bliss, here I come...
LOL!
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
<marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>>Hey Marcello! Learn to spell my name or be flattened! ;-)
>
>I don't know who this Marcello guy may be, I'm Marcelo! :)
"One and the same" ;-)
>Actually, I think being the Giant is a lot less work than being Mike D!
LOL!
>*My* ass?
Yeah hippie!
>My ass is not Spanish, I told you (the rest of me isn't either).
*sigh* Don't start that again... it's giving me a headache ;-)
>And I couldn't care less about tennis,
How about soccer? FC Barcelona?
>so I don't feel my ass to be in any particular danger of being kicked right now.
No? It is. Be afraid. Be very afraid. ;-)
>You only said that because you're trying hard to be evil -and failing!
Dang! Was it that obvious?! :-D
>>Only 85% was probably because many people
>>stayed home because they're fed up with all the crap that's surrounds
>>politics, I'm one o those... Politicians aren't in politics to serve
>>the people, they're there to serve themself...
>
>Mmm... I don't think so myself, but I guess the vast majority thinks the
>same as you, whether they vote or not...
Ok maybe I was taking it to the extreme but I don't think I'm so very
much off. You don't think so? Politicians probably start of with high
ideals and only the best of intentions but as they climb higher and
the longer they're there the more they get ...corrupted. Power
corrupts. Ok that most still work for the people but most just don't
seem to _really_ give a damn about the voters. They just bitch at each
other in the parlament, collect their fat paychecks and take vacations
to some paradise island where they sit on the beach drinking
umbrella-drinks.. Hmmm, maybe one should try to get into politics? :-)
When thinking about it for a while I'm realizing that I'm probably (?)
a bit hard on politicians. The majority probably isn't that bad and
I'm just judging everyone for the things you read about a small number
of corrupt ones... maybe... I still have a hard time shaking my belief
that every politician is crooked... Oh well.
>Yes, that 'Marcello' guy must be very nice... I've never met him though,
>Walt Dinsey! :)
One and the same.
Btw that's _Mr_ Dinsey to you! ;-)
Marcelo E Mazzanti
doppel...@hotmail.com® escribió en mensaje
<3609d134...@news.algonet.se>...
>
>>I don't know who this Marcello guy may be, I'm Marcelo! :)
>
>"One and the same" ;-)
LOL!
>Yeah hippie!
What's a hippie? Er, just joking...
>*sigh* Don't start that again... it's giving me a headache ;-)
I didn't start that again! But if it would really give you a headache I'd
consider it... just another little victory in the eternal evil vs good
battle! :)
>How about soccer? FC Barcelona?
Mmm... you mean the new all-Dutch soccer team we have around here? Yes, I'm
a little bit more into that... though of course, being a man of
sophisticated leisure, I find much more comfort at the golf club or at a
snooker table by the fireplace, sniffing a glass of delicate Napoleon Brandy
(or Coke Light, whatever comes first), while enjoying intelligent
conversation with bright, young, eccentric ladies... Aargh! And it was such
a nice dream! How did *she* get in there?!
>No? It is. Be afraid. Be very afraid. ;-)
You must have some very long legs!
> [Now getting into politics, can you believe that?]
>
>______________________________________________________________
>doppel...@hotmail.com® The things I write is a code waiting to be broken
>COOPER: Who's the lady with the log? TRUMAN: We call her the Log Lady
What you say may be true, indeed power corrupts and of course there are some
politicians that are into it for the reasons you mention. It's just that
these guys, want it our not, get to decide a big part of our own futures, so
I think we can't ignore them. Everything from death penalty to education to
smoking dope to kissing in public to National Health to making mandatory
that everyone should like Blue Velvet depends on what goes on in their
minds, so I think it's better to keep an eye on them and choosing the lesser
evil (Oops! I meant 'the greater evil,' of course). But, as I said, I kind
of understand your oppinions about the subject, _Mr_ Dinsey!..
Rey Pamatmat
> snooker table by the fireplace
Out of this entire thread politics, humor, et al. the only question I
have is what's a snooker table?
Rey
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
<marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>I didn't start that again! But if it would really give you a headache I'd
>consider it... just another little victory in the eternal evil vs good
>battle! :)
LOL!
>>How about soccer? FC Barcelona?
>
>Mmm... you mean the new all-Dutch soccer team we have around here? Yes, I'm
>a little bit more into that...
"new all-Dutch soccer team"? That bad (?) huh...? That's the big
downer with the Bosman-thing... I guess you're not _that_ into sports
or soccer like I am so I think I will drop this subject altogether :-/
...another good reason to do that is that it has _nothing_ to do with
Twin Peaks! :-D
>while enjoying intelligent conversation with bright, young, eccentric ladies...
>Aargh! And it was such a nice dream! How did *she* get in there?!
LOL! what a strange and twisted dream :-)
>What you say may be true, indeed power corrupts and of course there are some
>politicians that are into it for the reasons you mention. It's just that
>these guys, want it our not, get to decide a big part of our own futures, so
>I think we can't ignore them. Everything from death penalty to education to
>smoking dope to kissing in public to National Health to making mandatory
>that everyone should like Blue Velvet depends on what goes on in their
>minds, so I think it's better to keep an eye on them and choosing the lesser
>evil (Oops! I meant 'the greater evil,' of course). But, as I said, I kind
>of understand your oppinions about the subject
You're, as usual, right :-) I really should give a damn and try to
make a difference! ...ehhh, or at least vote for the lesser evil :-)
Though, for me, everyone's equally bad so I have a real hard time
trying to ...care at all. Fuck 'em all I say... Politics, bah humbug!
I may be some kind of communist combined with anarchist. In my ideal
world there is no government and _everyone_ in the whole world share
_everything_ equally with each other. And people live in harmony with
nature. And world peace. Etc etc... (hmmm... I think I'm gonna drop
this trying-to-be-evil business altogether... after the above it will
be nearly impossible for me to have _any_ credibility at all
as Evil !® ;-)
>_Mr_ Dinsey!..
(^o^)
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
wrote:
>Out of this entire thread politics, humor, et al. the only question I
>have is what's a snooker table?
The same as pool table. A green (not formica!!) table with six holes
to where you are supposed to shoot the balls with a stick. (Hmmm...
that was probably the worst explanation about anything ...ever! Hope
you understand anyways :-)
Marcelo E Mazzanti
>"new all-Dutch soccer team"? That bad (?) huh...? That's the big
>downer with the Bosman-thing...
Not bad, just difficult to relate to. Many years ago FC Barcelona was
supposed to make some kind of independist statement for Catalonia -not that
I care much about that either...
>[...] I really should give a damn and try to make a difference! ...ehhh, or
at least vote >for the lesser evil :-) Though, for me, everyone's equally
bad so I have a real hard >time trying to ...care at all. Fuck 'em all I
say... Politics, bah humbug!
But, as I read yesterday, you even have Ministers in Love! Isn't that
tender? :)
>I may be some kind of communist combined with anarchist. In my ideal
>world there is no government and _everyone_ in the whole world share
>_everything_ equally with each other. And people live in harmony with
>nature. And world peace. Etc etc... [...]
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> doppel...@hotmail.comŽ The things I write is a code waiting to be
broken
> COOPER: Who's the lady with the log? TRUMAN: We call her the Log Lady
Doppelcooper you're alright! :)
(Though it's kind of hard to say that to a Doppelgänger...)
Marcelo E Mazzanti
>[...] what's a snooker table?
>
>Rey
Snooker is something like a form of English billiards, only much harder.
(The game not the table.)
Alfons
<36073517...@news.algonet.se>...
> On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 01:03:25 +0200, Marcelo "NicE Guy" Mazzanti
> <marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>
> Do you consider that high? I think that's lower than it usually is (or
> rather has been in the past...) how high is the participation in
> stayed home because they're fed up with all the crap that's surrounds
> politics, I'm one o those... Politicians aren't in politics to serve
> the people, they're there to serve themself...
That's what blank votes are for. Not voting isn't going to help.
Also I think it was below 85% this year. Or that was just prelimanary?
Alfons
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
<marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>But, as I read yesterday, you even have Ministers in Love! Isn't that
>tender? :)
Very :-)
Btw where do you get your info on Sweden from? Just curious.
>Doppelcooper you're alright! :)
Thank you :-)
>(Though it's kind of hard to say that to a Doppelgänger...)
It's kind of hard for a Doppelgänger to _hear_ things like that ;-)
______________________________________________________________
doppel...@hotmail.com® The things I write is a code waiting to be broken
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
>That's what blank votes are for. Not voting isn't going to help.
You're of course right. I'm regreting now that I didn't go and place a
black vote... Not voting at all seemed like a great idea at the day of
the election, but now I've started to feel I should have gotten my
lazy ass oughtta the sofa to go vote... I guess it's a little late to
be thinking that now... :-/
>Also I think it was below 85% this year. Or that was just prelimanary?
81,39%
http://www.rsv.se/val/val_98/slutres/riksdag/7338.htm
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
Rey Pamatmat
Thanks, guys!
Snooker...what a cute name!
Rey
Rey Pamatmat
>
> Just trying to embarrass you before your DoppelBuddies... :)
>
> marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
> 'This Is My Truth Now Tell Me Yours.' -MSP
Hey! Let's write a children's show called the DoppelBuddies! Sounds
rather cute, doesn't it? We could even have a character named
DoppelSnooker or DoppelTiffee!
Rey
Short...inane...yep, I'm tired again.
Marcelo E Mazzanti
>You're of course right. I'm regreting now that I didn't go and place a
>black vote... [...]
Blank not black! Man, now that you're saying you're good and you're Walt
Disney (er, Dinsey), you're in fact eviler than ever! This was a trick all
along! Everyone run for their lives, Evil® Doppelcooper® is back in town!
> ______________________________________________________________
> doppel...@hotmail.com® The things I write is a code waiting to be
broken
> COOPER: Who's the lady with the log? TRUMAN: We call her the Log Lady
Marcelo E Mazzanti
>Btw where do you get your info on Sweden from? Just curious.
The paper (this one on the gossip column). And YES, you kicked Spain's ass!
>>Doppelcooper you're alright! :)
>
>Thank you :-)
>
>>(Though it's kind of hard to say that to a Doppelgänger...)
>
>It's kind of hard for a Doppelgänger to _hear_ things like that ;-)
>
>______________________________________________________________
> doppel...@hotmail.comŽ The things I write is a code waiting to be
broken
>COOPER: Who's the lady with the log? TRUMAN: We call her the Log Lady
Just trying to embarrass you before your DoppelBuddies... :)
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
<marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>And YES, you kicked Spain's ass!
Of course ;-) *gloating*
>Just trying to embarrass you before your DoppelBuddies... :)
*sob* You really are Evil !® ;-D
______________________________________________________________
doppel...@hotmail.com® The things I write is a code waiting to be broken
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
wrote:
>Hey! Let's write a children's show called the DoppelBuddies! Sounds
>rather cute, doesn't it?
Hey! It really does :-D
>We could even have a character named DoppelSnooker
"DoppelSnooker"? :-)
>or DoppelTi *bleep* ee!
Please don't mention that name any further.... Please :-)
>Short...inane...yep, I'm tired again.
(^o^)
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
<marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>Blank not black!
Oops. It was an honest mistake! I promise (bwahaha... just joking! ;-)
>Man, now that you're saying you're good and you're Walt
>Disney (er, Dinsey), you're in fact eviler than ever! This was a trick all
>along! Everyone run for their lives, Evil® Doppelcooper® is back in town!
LOL!
Btw that's _Mr_ Dinsey and Evil !® ;-D
(Hmmm... we've soon created our own, stupid, little universe here in
the newsgroup... pretty cool :-)
Mirjam Visser
>Mirjam Visser wrote:
>
>> Is there something wrong with Walt Disney Cartoons then? I see no problem
>> here. They are very cute! Junglebook is my fav.
>> I have never heard about Charles Addams anyway. Do you have any particulars?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> --
>> Mirjam.
>hmmm, other than the fact that Walt Disnep was a member of the american nazi
>party in the '30's, and that many of the cartoons were highly racist and
>stereotypical of black people, you're right: there's nothing wrong with Disney
>cartoons.
Hey, this startled me very much! What are you trying to say by this? May one
thing be clear, I absolutely detest racism and nazism. I was not aware that
WD was a member of such a party. You make it sound as if The WD cartoons are
evil, that JB is racist and Snowy White is mere pornography. I can't believe
that this was the case. So please tell me what is your source? Why is it
then that I've never heard of such a thing. If this were the case I think
that a lot of people worldwide would have banned these movies for their
children.
--
Mirjam.
The truth is out there and beware,
so am I!
Mirjam Visser
>karLoS - C - XiNG wrote:
>>
>> Mirjam Visser wrote:
>>
>> > Is there something wrong with Walt Disney Cartoons then? I see no problem
>> > here. They are very cute! Junglebook is my fav.
>> > I have never heard about Charles Addams anyway. Do you have any particulars?
>> > Thanks in advance.
>> > --
>> > Mirjam.
>> >
>> > so am I!
>>
>> party in the '30's, and that many of the cartoons were highly racist and
>> stereotypical of black people, you're right: there's nothing wrong with Disney
>> cartoons.
>>
>
>Walt, but I don't think this is the place for them. But just because I
>think you were being kind of rude to Mirjam (who I like from reading her
>posts), let me just say that people have linked Disney to the mafia,
>devil worshippers, and everything from insane born again religious
>groups to indeed the Nazi party. Why give one rumor creedence over
>another? In the end, the only reason people say these things is because
>he made a huge amount of shady business deals to build Disney World.
>
>Secondly, and speaking as a person of color (though, for fairness sake,
>not black), to expect anyone from the early 1900's to produce work that
>doesn't stereotype someone is asking them to be more than human and
>transcend the whole of the current discourse. Ever read American Fairy
>Tales or The Master Key by L. Frank Baum, author of the Wonderful Wizard
>of Oz? They're more racist than anything.
>
>I am not a Disney fan and consciously boycott everything they do. But
>why would I want to insert such a comment when two people are making
>friends here on the NG?
>
>Of course, if you didn't intend rudeness, I apologize...I am writing
>very early in the morning again (Doppel, shut up or I'm calling your
>doctor and getting him to send you that...AHHH, it is happening again!)
>
>Rey
Thanks Rey! I'm feeling a lot better now. I was really hurt by that
message. It feels like he is accusing me of being a racist and
nazist. Although I'm not old enough to have lived during WW II my country
(The Netherlands) has suffered badly enough from the Nazist regime. The fact
that I don't know of WD's past doesn't give him the right to insult me. I
was raised in the belief that all people are alike, whatever their color may
be. It is the inside that counts. And I'm very happy so have so many
beautiful friends all over the world.
Mirjam Visser
>Wagner's music. I have Hebrew blood in my veins (though only a small portion
>of it) and I'm a militant anti-fascist... about the race thing, I'm Spanish
>(well, I'm stateless but I live in Spain) and my skin's so white it's almost
>transparent, so I can't truly say I understand the black people's plea,
>though I try, being much interested in social anthropology. But that doesn't
>prevent me from liking not Walt Disney personally but some of his
>work -especially The Jungle Book (and yes, I don't like Kipling much
>either). I think the key here is looking at it as a cartoon and not much
>else... but I understand all too well how some people may thing the contrary
>based on what you say.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Thanks!
>Anyway, I consider myself a feminist also and I love Lynch's work (that's
>why I'm here), though he himself seems to have a little problem with
>women... :)
>
>
>marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
>'This Is My Truth Now Tell Me Yours.' -MSP
>
>
>
>karLoS - C - XiNG escribió en mensaje <3604A9FE...@lycosmail.com>...
Mirjam Visser
>>
>>Doebiedoeaaa..... have a banana, no have two banana's :) Now we are
>talking!
>>[...]
>>--
>>Mirjam.
>>
>>The truth is out there and beware,
>>so am I!
>
>
>year with his monkeyspanker business! (Not that I hadn't got that coming...)
>:)
>
>
>marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
In that case: I just got a banana. You want one too? I guess we need some
fuel too :)
Mirjam Visser
>In article <EzL9H...@vulcan.xs4all.nl>, mir...@vulcan.xs4all.nl (Mirjam
>Visser) writes:
>
>>Charles Addams is as far as I know not known here, but
>>it sounds nice.
>
>The Addams Family!
Hey I know that one! Very funny! And.....it has the Giant in it....:)
Mirjam Visser
>
>>And you just told that you are the jungle VIP? :) So this should make me
>the
>>giant...
>
>
>Hey, what's with you people? Now everybody wants to be the Giant! If you
>only knew what a drag of a job it is! Every time I try to sleep, there's
>always someone who goes: 'Hey, Giant, wake up, you have to go take that FBI
>guy his ring!', 'Hey, Giant, wake up, you have to go tell 'em it's happening
>again!', 'Hey, Giant, wake up and go to that Roadhouse and say no, no, and
>try to gesticulate a little more this time, OK?'. And it's not like it pays
>a lot, oh no! (though I do a little fringe business on the side pawning
>rings.) And yes, it's free room and board, but what a room, with all those
>empty eyed people running around at all hours, and the food, garmonbozia for
>breakfast, garmonbozia for lunch, garmonbozia for dinner! And of course they
>don't allow me to grab a burger while I'm at the Roadhouse because they
>think that wouldn't be serious! So you want to be the Giant! It's all yours!
>I'll send you the paperwork 25 years from now!
>
>
>>Geez, makes my skin creep... But funny, I expected something like this... I
>>thought of it when I had sent the message, the resemblance to the name
>makes
>>you wonder.
>
>
>I guess it was a little obvious... :)
Yeah, absolutely :)
>>But talking about Barcelona, I hope to go there one day to see
>>all these beautiful things. My sister-in-law went there two years ago and
>>she was completely dazzled by Gaudi's church. She came home with an
>enormous
>>scalemodel of Sagrada Familia. The only problem was that she has to make
>>this difficult thing herself. It is not finished yet, but it is huge!
>>Anyway, I will tell you when I'm leaving for Spain.
>I know, I also have one of those... I think I'll have it finished by the
>time of the real thing... I suspect making the real one would be less work!
>And yes, do tell if you're coming! The only Dutch people we get around here
>lately are soccer players...
Hey, they are great! They did well at the World Championship didn't they?
>>Then I think I will stay 29 for the rest of my life :)
>>
>>--
>>Mirjam.
>That's the idea. Works for me!
Mirjam Visser
>On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:10:58 +0200, "Marcelo E Mazzanti"
><marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>
>>>And you just told that you are the jungle VIP? :)
>
>
>>So this should make me the giant...
>
>(Dedicated to MattSkomra for being such a good poster :-)
>
>>Hey, what's with you people?
From the very beginning it was Marcelo and me "fighting" over this...:)
>
>You tell me!! All people here just freaks me out!! Especially me,
>myself and I... [thinks to self: hmmm better put an smiley there so
>people think I'm joking and don't realize that I'm completely schizo
>with one of my personalities being Gail Tiffee and the other Walt
>Disney...] ehhh... ;-)
>
>>Now everybody wants to be the Giant!
>
>Not me!! I have enough work keeping track of my twelve different
>personalities so you keep your job! I must say you're a damn fine
>giant!! even though you steal people's rings (hmmm... maybe you really
>_are_ evil!?! ...though probably not. I've heard rumours you return
>them to the rightful owners later and stuff...) ...no seriously I
>think you make a damn fine giant even though it must be hard to be
>taken seriously considering you're only 1,40m tall... ;-) [thinks to
>self: I thought I told you to stop rambling! No you didn't! yes I did.
>Yeah he did. Are you sure? Why didn't anybody tell me?? I'll kill you
>you basta... ehh.. they're looking at us!! Act normal!!] ...ehhhh, so
>nice weatcher we're having lately.
>
>> If you only knew what a drag of a job it is! Every time I try to sleep, there's
>>always someone who goes: 'Hey, Giant, wake up, you have to go take that FBI
>>guy his ring!', 'Hey, Giant, wake up, you have to go tell 'em it's happening
>>again!', 'Hey, Giant, wake up and go to that Roadhouse and say no, no, and
>>try to gesticulate a little more this time, OK?'. And it's not like it pays
>>a lot, oh no! (though I do a little fringe business on the side pawning
>>rings.) And yes, it's free room and board, but what a room, with all those
>>empty eyed people running around at all hours, and the food, garmonbozia for
>>breakfast, garmonbozia for lunch, garmonbozia for dinner! And of course they
>>don't allow me to grab a burger while I'm at the Roadhouse because they
>>think that wouldn't be serious! So you want to be the Giant! It's all yours!
>>I'll send you the paperwork 25 years from now!
>
>LOL!! You're the man (though not _the_ man=mike d :-) Marcelo!
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
Visser) wrote:
>From the very beginning it was Marcelo and me "fighting" over this...:)
When I think about it Marcelo is a bit of a troublemaker. Fighting
over who's the giant with you, fighting over who's the most Evil !®
poster on this newsgroup with me (he won), fighting over who's the arm
with Igg444, fighting over who's the log with Rey... ehh, no my bad!
He's never attempted to be the log... wonder why? ;-)
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
Visser) wrote:
>>Hey! You just gave good ole, I mean, evil ole Doppel fuel for another whole
>>year with his monkeyspanker business! (Not that I hadn't got that coming...)
>In that case: I just got a banana. You want one too?
LOL!
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
Visser) wrote:
>The fact that I don't know of WD's past doesn't give him the right to insult me.
I agree. Stop insulting Mirjam you monkeyspänker! (btw I must have
missed some posts, _who_ is insulting you?)
>I was raised in the belief that all people are alike, whatever their color may
>be. It is the inside that counts. And I'm very happy so have so many
>beautiful friends all over the world.
I'll second that! Very well put Mirjam :-)
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
Visser) wrote:
>>The Addams Family!
>
>
>Hey I know that one! Very funny! And.....it has the Giant in it....:)
LOL!
Mirjam Visser
>>karLoS - C - XiNG wrote:
>>>
>>> Mirjam Visser wrote:
>>>
>>> > Is there something wrong with Walt Disney Cartoons then? I see no problem
>>> > here. They are very cute! Junglebook is my fav.
>>> > I have never heard about Charles Addams anyway. Do you have any particulars?
>>> > Thanks in advance.
>>> > --
>>> > Mirjam.
>>> party in the '30's, and that many of the cartoons were highly racist and
>>> stereotypical of black people, you're right: there's nothing wrong with Disney
>>> cartoons.
Ouch, that hurts! Was it really necessary to be so rude? I think I will stop
posting in this NG when I'm accused of such things. Although you are not
saying it explicitly you are suggesting that I am both a racist and a nazi.
Well that stinks! Shame on you! Maybe it would be a good idea to learn you a
few lessons of Netiquette... And it would be wise not to bother other people
with such vile remarks.
>>There are plenty of other awful things that you could say about Uncle
>>Walt, but I don't think this is the place for them. But just because I
>>think you were being kind of rude to Mirjam (who I like from reading her
>>posts), let me just say that people have linked Disney to the mafia,
>>devil worshippers, and everything from insane born again religious
>>groups to indeed the Nazi party. Why give one rumor creedence over
>>another? In the end, the only reason people say these things is because
>>he made a huge amount of shady business deals to build Disney World.
>>
>>Secondly, and speaking as a person of color (though, for fairness sake,
>>not black), to expect anyone from the early 1900's to produce work that
>>doesn't stereotype someone is asking them to be more than human and
>>transcend the whole of the current discourse. Ever read American Fairy
>>Tales or The Master Key by L. Frank Baum, author of the Wonderful Wizard
>>of Oz? They're more racist than anything.
>>
>>I am not a Disney fan and consciously boycott everything they do. But
>>why would I want to insert such a comment when two people are making
>>friends here on the NG?
>>
>>Of course, if you didn't intend rudeness, I apologize...I am writing
>>very early in the morning again (Doppel, shut up or I'm calling your
>>doctor and getting him to send you that...AHHH, it is happening again!)
>>
>>Rey
>
>
>Thanks Rey! I'm feeling a lot better now. I was really hurt by that
>message. It feels like he is accusing me of being a racist and
>nazist. Although I'm not old enough to have lived during WW II my country
>(The Netherlands) has suffered badly enough from the Nazi regime. The fact
>that I don't know of WD's past doesn't give him the right to insult me. I
>was raised in the belief that all people are alike, whatever their color may
>be. It is the inside that counts. And I'm very happy so have so many
>beautiful friends all over the world.
>--
>Mirjam.
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
Mirjam wrote:
>>>> > Is there something wrong with Walt Disney Cartoons then? I see no problem
>>>> > here. They are very cute! Junglebook is my fav.
karLoS - C - XiNG wrote an answer:
>>>> hmmm, other than the fact that Walt Disnep was a member of the american nazi
>>>> party in the '30's, and that many of the cartoons were highly racist and
>>>> stereotypical of black people, you're right: there's nothing wrong with Disney
>>>> cartoons.
Mirjam wrote an answer to "karLoS - C - XiNG" answer (which I,
doppelcooper, now am answering :-)
Mirjam - let me start by saying 'please don't stop posting'. Ok? :-)
I can't speak for him nor can I know for sure what he "really" means
with his post but I can tell you how I see it cause I see it a little
differently than you. I'm not saying that you're wrong, it's all IMHO.
>Ouch, that hurts! Was it really necessary to be so rude?
You wrote that there's nothing wrong with Disney. That's what you, me
and just about anything would say. Maybe it's just because we don't
know better but that's how it is, right? "karLoS - C - XiNG" has
knowledge that you, I and many others don't have. Tehy may be true or
they may not be true. I can't be sure on either one. "karLoS - C -
XiNG" is merely trying to point out, maybe not in the smoothest way,
that Disney isn't as good as they say they are/people think they are.
Or maybe more that Walt Disney in the past was a nazi and that the
cartoons were highly racist and with stereotypical of black people.
People with insight, true or not - I don't know, into such matters
can get very frustrated at the situation. I've been in a situation
like that where I've thought and said things to people which I was,
almost, angry at for not seeing the truth, or "truth", that I thought
was so very obvious. *sigh* I don't think that "karLoS - C - XiNG"
is attacking you or trying to be rude to you or anything like that. I
do think he's just trying to say that Disney is bad. Hmmm... yeah.
Something like that anyways :-) He could have been smoother in saying
this but it's not aimed at you and not really ill meant. At least
that's how I see it.
>I think I will stop posting in this NG when I'm accused of such things.
I've tried to give my point on this in what i've written here above. I
really, REALLY, hope that you don't stop posting (btw - I wonder why
all of a sudden everybody is talking about stop posting and leaving
this newsgroup...?) nor leave the group. Or anything like that. You're
niec (at least you seem nice, you may be really nasty IRL but as long
as you're nice here, like you've been. I say. Mirjam - you're alright
:-) ...please don't stop posting.) And let me again say what I think
about "karLoS - C - XiNG"-s post. I don't think he was attacking you
or accusing you of anything. I hope not anyways. If he was that's
completely wrong and just plain stupid. If he wasn't trying to attack
you but you still see it like he is (I always think everyone is trying
to attack me, for example Rey-s ritalin-comment which I didn't take as
a joke because I saw it as a snipe/attack at me... but now we're cool.
Right Rey? :-) then that's also very unfortunate. That's mainly why
I'm doing this post, to try and say that he maybe wasn't
accusing/attacking you. And if yuo see it as he was doing this
intentional or not, then I wanna try and... well, convince you to stay
and continue posting in the group anyway :-)
>Although you are not saying it explicitly you are suggesting that I am both a racist
>and a nazi. Well that stinks! Shame on you! Maybe it would be a good idea to learn
>you a few lessons of Netiquette... And it would be wise not to bother other people
>with such vile remarks.
I think i've commented/covered this in some of what I wrote
(a.k.a. my ramblings) above...
A final thing (finally ;-): Please stay.. <:-)
______________________________________________________________
doppel...@hotmail.com® The things I write is a code waiting to be broken
COOPER: Who's the lady with the log? TRUMAN: We call her the Log Lady
The alt.tv.twin-peaks FAQ: http://www.algonet.se/~manuel/twinpeaks/
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Mirjam Visser escribió en mensaje ...
>
>>lately are soccer players...
>
>Hey, they are great! They did well at the World Championship didn't they?
>
>Mirjam.
>
>The truth is out there and beware,
>so am I!
I think yes (better than 'us' for sure). I don't know. They're the Clockwork
Orange, aren't they? That's all I know about it. Ask Doppel, he knows a lot
more about it than me.
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Rey Pamatmat escribió en mensaje <360C6C...@owl.cnchost.com>...
>
>Hey! Let's write a children's show called the DoppelBuddies!
LOL!
> Sounds
>rather cute, doesn't it? We could even have a character named
>DoppelSnooker
LOL!
>or DoppelTiffee!
Cool! Cool! Cool! I mean, LOL!
>Rey
>
>Short...inane...yep, I'm tired again.
Marcelo E Mazzanti
doppel...@hotmail.com® escribió en mensaje
<360cbc13...@news.algonet.se>...
>
>>Just trying to embarrass you before your DoppelBuddies... :)
>
>*sob* You really are Evil !® ;-D
>
>doppel...@hotmail.com® The things I write is a code waiting to be broken
>COOPER: Who's the lady with the log? TRUMAN: We call her the Log Lady
Aww, don't cry, it'll be alright in the morning, you'll see... (Gosh are
these doppelgängers terrifying!)
Marcelo E Mazzanti
doppel...@hotmail.com® escribió en mensaje
<360cbd2e...@news.algonet.se>...
>
>(Hmmm... we've soon created our own, stupid, little universe here in
>the newsgroup... pretty cool :-)
>
>doppel...@hotmail.com® The things I write is a code waiting to be broken
>COOPER: Who's the lady with the log? TRUMAN: We call her the Log Lady
'I've been in the NG with Walt Dinsey, the DoppelBuddies, a horde of Giants
and many Mikes! Write it in your FAQ!'
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Mirjam Visser escribió en mensaje ...
>
>fuel too :)
>
>--
>Mirjam.
>
>The truth is out there and beware,
>so am I!
LOL! Right now I *do* need some fuel...
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
<marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>'I've been in the NG with Walt Dinsey, the DoppelBuddies, a horde of Giants
>and many Mikes! Write it in your FAQ!'
LOL!
______________________________________________________________
doppel...@hotmail.com® The things I write is a code waiting to be broken
COOPER: Who's the lady with the log? TRUMAN: We call her the Log Lady
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Mirjam Visser escribió en mensaje ...
>
>
>
>--
>Mirjam.
>
>The truth is out there and beware,
>so am I!
Anytime. You know what's got me down right now? I've sat quietly planning on
a couple of hours of info and fun, and I've already seen some of the people
I like the most here taking offense from some (let's say) 'unfortunate'
comments. (I haven't seen any attack on Doppel yet but I've still got 30+
posts to read!) I hope this is only a phase and a very short one at that.
Come on, that damned horse and Walt Disney are very interesting and all, but
are they worth killing for?
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
<marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>You know what's got me down right now?
Not really ...just kidding! ;-) I'm dying to know :-)
>I've sat quietly planning on a couple of hours of info and fun
"a couple of hours"? Only on this newsgroup? I thought you said
earlier that you only spent half an hour a day reading and writing
here? Were you lying when you said this? ....hmmm, dumb question.
You're the Evil !® Giant. of course you were lying! ;-) btw "a couple
of hours of info and fun"? Cool description of reading posts on this
newsgroup :-)
>and I've already seen some of the people I like the most here taking
>offense from some (let's say) 'unfortunate' comments.
I wonder if people are just nasty or if people just take offense to
easily. I know personally that I take offense all to easy (ritalin)
even when I _know_ it's not an attack at me I can still take it
personally... Though when on this newsgroup, and for that matter other
newsgroups and internet in general, I'm not very easily offended at
all. I guess that's because you have the distance of sitting at home
in front of a computerscreen a thousend miles away from other posters.
Some people can, and have!, gotten under my skin but generally I don't
take offense or... don' mean nothin'. I may answer things I see
though just out of principle.
>I haven't seen any attack on Doppel yet but I've still got 30+ posts to read!
I guess everyone just loves me (^o^)
...either that or noone gives a *bleep* (^O^)
>I hope this is only a phase and a very short one at that.
Dito!
>Come on, that damned horse and Walt Disney are very interesting and all, but
>are they worth killing for?
That's an easy one, NO. As a phrase from another one of my favourite
television show says: don' mean nothin' (from Tour of Duty). It's
appliable in a great number of occasions :-)
Mirjam Visser
>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:00:26 GMT, mir...@vulcan.xs4all.nl (Mirjam
>Visser) wrote:
>
>>The fact that I don't know of WD's past doesn't give him the right to insult me.
>
>missed some posts, _who_ is insulting you?)
Thanks Doppelcooper!
It was karLoS who tried to insult me by suggesting that I was something like
a nazi or a racist because I like Disneycartoons. Had no idea of Uncle Walts
past but karLoS smacked my ears with his rude remarks. I was talking about the
cartoons, not the person as I am not interested in WD personally.
>>I was raised in the belief that all people are alike, whatever their color may
>>be. It is the inside that counts. And I'm very happy so have so many
>>beautiful friends all over the world.
>
>I'll second that! Very well put Mirjam :-)
Thanks. My feelings were badly hurt. It makes me very sad. Thanks for your
support.
Mirjam Visser
>>
>>Hey! Let's write a children's show called the DoppelBuddies!
>
>
>LOL!
Yeah, ROTFL! I hope the Doppelbuddies are not too weird. It might be
frightening to them poor kids :)
>> Sounds
>>rather cute, doesn't it? We could even have a character named
>>DoppelSnooker
>
>
>LOL!
I'd like to see the "balltrick"
I can't believe I'm saying this! So now you know why I ran out of toothpaste
Marcelo :)
>>or DoppelTiffee!
AAArrrrgggghhhhhh!
Mirjam Visser
>
> Mirjam wrote:
>>>>> > Is there something wrong with Walt Disney Cartoons then? I see no problem
>>>>> > here. They are very cute! Junglebook is my fav.
>
> karLoS - C - XiNG wrote an answer:
>>>>> hmmm, other than the fact that Walt Disnep was a member of the american nazi
>>>>> party in the '30's, and that many of the cartoons were highly racist and
>>>>> stereotypical of black people, you're right: there's nothing wrong with Disney
>>>>> cartoons.
>
> Mirjam wrote an answer to "karLoS - C - XiNG" answer (which I,
> doppelcooper, now am answering :-)
>
>Mirjam - let me start by saying 'please don't stop posting'. Ok? :-)
>
>I can't speak for him nor can I know for sure what he "really" means
>with his post but I can tell you how I see it cause I see it a little
>differently than you. I'm not saying that you're wrong, it's all IMHO.
Could be so. I really hope that this is the case. Peoples feelings can get
hurt by suggestion only though. Intended or not, he should have watched his
tongue before saying it the way he did.
>>Ouch, that hurts! Was it really necessary to be so rude?
>
>You wrote that there's nothing wrong with Disney. That's what you, me
>and just about anything would say. Maybe it's just because we don't
>know better but that's how it is, right? "karLoS - C - XiNG" has
>knowledge that you, I and many others don't have. Tehy may be true or
>they may not be true. I can't be sure on either one. "karLoS - C -
>XiNG" is merely trying to point out, maybe not in the smoothest way,
>that Disney isn't as good as they say they are/people think they are.
>Or maybe more that Walt Disney in the past was a nazi and that the
>cartoons were highly racist and with stereotypical of black people.
>People with insight, true or not - I don't know, into such matters
>can get very frustrated at the situation. I've been in a situation
>like that where I've thought and said things to people which I was,
>almost, angry at for not seeing the truth, or "truth", that I thought
>was so very obvious. *sigh* I don't think that "karLoS - C - XiNG"
>is attacking you or trying to be rude to you or anything like that. I
>do think he's just trying to say that Disney is bad. Hmmm... yeah.
>Something like that anyways :-) He could have been smoother in saying
>this but it's not aimed at you and not really ill meant. At least
>that's how I see it.
Maybe it is me who is overreacting. What I absolutely don't like are unjust
remarks about things like that. Maybe he was not aiming at me personally. He
should not have been so rude in my opinion.
>>I think I will stop posting in this NG when I'm accused of such things.
>
>I've tried to give my point on this in what i've written here above. I
>really, REALLY, hope that you don't stop posting (btw - I wonder why
>all of a sudden everybody is talking about stop posting and leaving
>this newsgroup...?) nor leave the group. Or anything like that. You're
>niec (at least you seem nice, you may be really nasty IRL but as long
>as you're nice here, like you've been. I say. Mirjam - you're alright
>:-) ...please don't stop posting.) And let me again say what I think
>about "karLoS - C - XiNG"-s post. I don't think he was attacking you
>or accusing you of anything. I hope not anyways. If he was that's
>completely wrong and just plain stupid. If he wasn't trying to attack
>you but you still see it like he is (I always think everyone is trying
>to attack me, for example Rey-s ritalin-comment which I didn't take as
>a joke because I saw it as a snipe/attack at me... but now we're cool.
>Right Rey? :-) then that's also very unfortunate. That's mainly why
>I'm doing this post, to try and say that he maybe wasn't
>accusing/attacking you. And if yuo see it as he was doing this
>intentional or not, then I wanna try and... well, convince you to stay
>and continue posting in the group anyway :-)
I think I have missed the point here. I read this post but was wondering
what it was about.
You are absolutely right: we all should be a happy family. I think I will
stay for a while. People like you and many more out there make it absolutely
worth while. I should not get hurt over one vile remark, but I detest
injustice when I see or feel it. That's just the way I am.
>>Although you are not saying it explicitly you are suggesting that I am both a racist
>>and a nazi. Well that stinks! Shame on you! Maybe it would be a good idea to learn
>>you a few lessons of Netiquette... And it would be wise not to bother other people
>>with such vile remarks.
>
>I think i've commented/covered this in some of what I wrote
>(a.k.a. my ramblings) above...
>
>A final thing (finally ;-): Please stay.. <:-)
I will. Thanks.
Mirjam Visser
>>
>>I wholeheartedly agree with you. Thanks!
>>
>>--
>>Mirjam.
>Anytime. You know what's got me down right now? I've sat quietly planning on
>a couple of hours of info and fun, and I've already seen some of the people
>I like the most here taking offense from some (let's say) 'unfortunate'
>comments. (I haven't seen any attack on Doppel yet but I've still got 30+
>posts to read!) I hope this is only a phase and a very short one at that.
>
>Come on, that damned horse and Walt Disney are very interesting and all, but
>are they worth killing for?
You're right. They're not. But I have been feeling very bad about it, wether
karLoS was meaning it or not.
Mirjam Visser
>On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 10:14:59 GMT, mir...@vulcan.xs4all.nl (Mirjam
>Visser) wrote:
>
>>>The Addams Family!
>>
>>
>>Hey I know that one! Very funny! And.....it has the Giant in it....:)
>
>LOL!
Yeah, ROTFL!