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Owen

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Jul 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/13/99
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"It is happening again." Yeah, they're kinda stupid, but they're fun and
sometimes interesting! So, I'm starting four, yes, four votes for ATTP's top
stuff. I already did the top 100 movies, but I got some new ideas that will be
easier on me, and (hopefully) on you guys too. They are:

ATTP's Top Three Episodes of Twin Peaks:
Send me (ELEME...@aol.com) your four favorite episodes of Twin Peaks.

ATTP's Top Three David Lynch Movies:
Well, since we decided movies and are deciding TP episodes, why not do David
Lynch's movies? Send me your two favorite (only two) David Lynch movies. Your
choices are:

Eraserhead
The Elephant Man
Dune
Blue Velvet
Wild At Heart
Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
Lost Highway

I'm not counting Six Men Getting Sick, The Alphabet, The Grandmother, or the
Amputee, because a) they're all shorts b) they were never released in theaters
(as far as I know) and c) I doubt most of the people here have seen any of
them.

ATTP's Top Five Actors:
Send me your TEN choices for best actors of all times. They can be anyone, in
Twin Peaks or not. Any actor will do! If you think I have probably not heard of
them, please include one movie they starred in, at least.

ATTP's Top Five Actresses:
Same as above, only for actresses.


Anyway, the voting on ALL categories ends August 3rd at 6:00 AM EST. So get to
voting!



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Jeff Gower

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Jul 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/13/99
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In article <19990713190535...@ng-fb1.aol.com>,
eleme...@aol.com (Owen) wrote:

> ATTP's Top Three Episodes of Twin Peaks:

Episode 2 (w/ Coop's rock-throwing, his dream, etc.)
Episode 14 (Maddie's murder)
Episode 29 (final episode)
(ALL of the above were directed by Lynch)

> ATTP's Top Three David Lynch Movies:

Eraserhead
Lost Highway
TP: Fire Walk With Me

tric...@hotmail.com

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Jul 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/14/99
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In article <jgower-1307...@ppp151.gator.net>, jgo...@gator.net
(Jeff Gower) wrote:


One could have personal preferences otherwise,
but those are essentially the correct answers. There
isn't much room for disagreement, if you've seen and
reasonably grasped each of Lynch's efforts - though I
could see substituting Blue Velvet for TP:FWWM.


Trichome
pontificating

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Joshua Zyber

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<tric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <jgower-1307...@ppp151.gator.net>, jgo...@gator.net
> (Jeff Gower) wrote:
>
> >In article <19990713190535...@ng-fb1.aol.com>,
> >eleme...@aol.com (Owen) wrote:
> >
> >> ATTP's Top Three Episodes of Twin Peaks:
> >
> >Episode 2 (w/ Coop's rock-throwing, his dream, etc.)
> >Episode 14 (Maddie's murder)
> >Episode 29 (final episode)
> >(ALL of the above were directed by Lynch)
> >
> >> ATTP's Top Three David Lynch Movies:
> >
> >Eraserhead
> >Lost Highway
> >TP: Fire Walk With Me
>
>
> One could have personal preferences otherwise,
> but those are essentially the correct answers. There
> isn't much room for disagreement, if you've seen and
> reasonably grasped each of Lynch's efforts - though I
> could see substituting Blue Velvet for TP:FWWM.

That's great. Those are the "correct answers", hmmm? It's good to see that
someone is scoring us. Will there be an extra credit assignment as well?

- Josh Z

tric...@hotmail.com

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Jul 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/14/99
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In article <7mhtuv$jos$1...@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>, "Joshua Zyber"
<jzy...@mindspring.com> wrote:

Yes. It will require that you express a contrary position,
with interesting details, provoking conversation.

I realize that Owen's poll referred to both "best" and
"favorite" categories, but I was clearly speaking of "best",
and not of exclusively personal preference.


"When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed."

You had nothing to add to the original question,
apparently. Four short snide sentences are easy and cheap.

Would you care to try again?


The "extra credit assignment" is implicit - you participate
in Usenet, you express yourself in accordance with your
capabilities, and your effort. The grading is up to you.
You will be the one to score your own work, but there will
be no stars in your crown if you gripe at a provocative
challenge.

Why not outclass me; rise above me?
Do you believe that an episode other than 2, 14, & 29
should be in the top three? Then make a case!


Trichome
still pontificating

Roland D. LeBay

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Jul 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/14/99
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Trichome baited:

> You had nothing to add to the original question,
>apparently. Four short snide sentences are easy and cheap.
>

-Don't act so surprised, your highness. You weren't on any mercy mission...
Joshua was not responding to the question of which episodes or films were
his personal favourites, (only in the actor/actress section does Elementguy ask
for the "best") he was replying to the absurd notion that you were in any
position to determine, for the rest of us, what the "right answers" would be.
Maybe the Tailgating scene in Lost Highway (although a significant clue)
along with such bits as the "Toilet Seat" line, detract from the overall
greatness of the film.
Maybe the dearth of scenes with Cooper, Truman, Pete, Andy, etc., made Fire
Walk With Me an inherently less satisfying film. I love it, but knowing what
could have been detracts from its appeal considerably. Should the expectations
of the viewer be taken into account when judging the quality of a film?
Probably not, but when we all know how wonderful, above and beyond its present
state, it *should* have been, well, that's difficult to overlook. No film is an
island, and absolutely no film based on a television series is even an isthmus
whose lowlands are underwater most of the time. So, though the Cooper/Jeffries
scenes were, in my opinion, the *greatest* film scenes of all time, I will
still rank Elephant Man above Fire Walk With Me.
Maybe Elephant Man, more straightforward, lacks any such false notes,
making it more perfect, although less ambitious. I would be extremely hard
pressed to think of a scene in this film that makes me say "I could have done
without that". As a matter of fact, most scenes make me want to see more. The
immersion into that world of dark Victoriana Lynch created is total, whereas in
LH and FWWM there are numerous "wake up calls". Why *wouldn't* this film be
considered in the top three? (I've worked meself up into a bit of a
pro-Elephant Man frenzy, sorry)
Maybe, when it comes right down to it, we are all capable of making our own
decisions.
Although you were "pontificating", not even the most devout Catholic truly
believes that the Pope is infallible.
If you reply to this, I'd really much rather hear your opinions on why
Elephant Man doesn't make the top three, than how sodding stupid I am, thanks.


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Owen

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Jul 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/14/99
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Instead of arguing, you guys, vote!

Eric Spratling

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Jul 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/14/99
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> Why not outclass me; rise above me?
> Do you believe that an episode other than 2, 14, & 29
> should be in the top three? Then make a case!
>

Make a case? Of why his opinion is better than yours? It's OPINION, Trichome.
There is no right or wrong answer, which is what he was trying to point out to
you. He did not deserve to be insulted, and although you did, he was gracious
enough not to. So, it looks like he did rise above you.

-Triple E
-Eric Spratling
-Rock Disciple
-Student of the Random

Joshua Zyber

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<tric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> ATTP's Top Three Episodes of Twin Peaks:
> >> >
> >> >Episode 2 (w/ Coop's rock-throwing, his dream, etc.)
> >> >Episode 14 (Maddie's murder)
> >> >Episode 29 (final episode)
> >> >(ALL of the above were directed by Lynch)
> >> >
> >> >> ATTP's Top Three David Lynch Movies:
> >> >
> >> >Eraserhead
> >> >Lost Highway
> >> >TP: Fire Walk With Me
> >>
> >> One could have personal preferences otherwise,
> >> but those are essentially the correct answers. There
> >> isn't much room for disagreement, if you've seen and
> >> reasonably grasped each of Lynch's efforts - though I
> >> could see substituting Blue Velvet for TP:FWWM.
> >
> >That's great. Those are the "correct answers", hmmm? It's good to see
that
> >someone is scoring us. Will there be an extra credit assignment as well?
>
> Yes. It will require that you express a contrary position,
> with interesting details, provoking conversation.

I feel no need. In fact, I can't even say that I disagree with you. But your
arrogant tone and assumption that you know the "correct answers" to what are
and forever shall be matters of personal opinion, not matters of fact, has
long since started to grate on me.

> I realize that Owen's poll referred to both "best" and
> "favorite" categories, but I was clearly speaking of "best",
> and not of exclusively personal preference.

Let's recap, shall we?

Quoting from Owen, the categories are:
>> ATTP's Top Three Episodes of Twin Peaks

>> ATTP's Top Three David Lynch Movies

You see this as being something other than a question of personal
preference?
Trichome, there is no objectively "true" criteria you can use to evaluate
the merits of abstract art. These are matters of personal taste. Majority
opinion may sway one way or the other, but what it comes down to is that a
piece of art is only good if the person viewing it chooses to think so.

Now let's requote you:


> >> One could have personal preferences otherwise,
> >> but those are essentially the correct answers. There
> >> isn't much room for disagreement, if you've seen and
> >> reasonably grasped each of Lynch's efforts

Here you go, laying down your opinion as fact and snidely putting down
anyone who might dare to feel differently. "There isn't much room for
disagreement." Please. Usenet is all about disagreement, Trichome. You of
all people should know that.

> "When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed."

Then please, by all means......

> You had nothing to add to the original question,
> apparently. Four short snide sentences are easy and cheap.
>

> Would you care to try again?

I've been around too long to be baited into one of your ego-trip flame wars.
Playing the intellectual bully only works on the weak-minded, and although
there are plenty who fit that description roaming throughout Usenet, I do
not count myself among them.

> The "extra credit assignment" is implicit - you participate
> in Usenet, you express yourself in accordance with your
> capabilities, and your effort. The grading is up to you.
> You will be the one to score your own work, but there will
> be no stars in your crown if you gripe at a provocative
> challenge.

There is a difference between laying down a provactive challenge and acting
the belittling jackass.

> Why not outclass me; rise above me?

Done.

> Trichome
> still pontificating

- Josh Z
still annoyed

Eric Spratling

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Jul 15, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/15/99
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>> Why not outclass me; rise above me?
>
>Done.
>

Done from the very beginning. Well said, Josh.

tric...@hotmail.com

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In article <19990714165050...@ng-fr1.aol.com>,
rdl...@aol.com.Baia (Roland D. LeBay) wrote:

>Trichome baited:

...and was rewarded to find you, flapping away on my hooks.

>
>> You had nothing to add to the original question,
>>apparently. Four short snide sentences are easy and cheap.
>>
>

> -Don't act so surprised, your highness. You weren't on any mercy mission...

Peasant, you would wound me; but 'tis only a palpable hit.
Your characterizations shape my responses.
And I would rather play the Fool, and see you others all elevated
to royalty, through empowered self-representation.

Until then, I can call you "Pete"; and Pete when you call me, you can call
me "Fred" (or worse). As in a loop, I believe I may have descended from
you, many e-years ago; and though my goading may be unwelcome, I too
was inside my own shell once - COULD YOU DOUBT OTHERWISE ?


> Joshua was not responding to the question of which episodes or films were
>his personal favourites, (only in the actor/actress section does Elementguy ask
>for the "best") he was replying to the absurd notion that you were in any
>position to determine, for the rest of us, what the "right answers" would be.

I have taste, I can take a stab at such a proclamation.
So could you, citizen.


> Maybe the Tailgating scene in Lost Highway (although a significant clue)
>along with such bits as the "Toilet Seat" line, detract from the overall
>greatness of the film.

Gaah?

> Maybe the dearth of scenes with Cooper, Truman, Pete, Andy, etc., made Fire
>Walk With Me an inherently less satisfying film. I love it, but knowing what
>could have been detracts from its appeal considerably. Should the expectations
>of the viewer be taken into account when judging the quality of a film?
>Probably not, but when we all know how wonderful, above and beyond its present
>state, it *should* have been, well, that's difficult to overlook. No film is an
>island, and absolutely no film based on a television series is even an isthmus
>whose lowlands are underwater most of the time. So, though the Cooper/Jeffries
>scenes were, in my opinion, the *greatest* film scenes of all time, I will
>still rank Elephant Man above Fire Walk With Me.

Two paragraphs, two straw men that you seem to shoot down all by
yourself.


> Maybe Elephant Man, more straightforward, lacks any such false notes,
>making it more perfect, although less ambitious. I would be extremely hard
>pressed to think of a scene in this film that makes me say "I could have done
>without that". As a matter of fact, most scenes make me want to see more. The
>immersion into that world of dark Victoriana Lynch created is total, whereas in
>LH and FWWM there are numerous "wake up calls". Why *wouldn't* this film be
>considered in the top three? (I've worked meself up into a bit of a
>pro-Elephant Man frenzy, sorry)

Why be sorry? This the first real position you've taken in this post.
I'M SORRY, but I have to think someone else made you apologize
for such an innocuous "frenzy". I won't take credit for tenderizing
your hide, because I haven't been a part of your life long enough to be
this much of an influence.

The Elephant Man is a very fine film.
I think The Staight Story will be quite similar, in revealing a certain side
of Lynch's viewpoint as a filmmaker which many fans resist, in part
because it seems too simple.
The Elephant Man is less like the others; perhaps it is a testimony to
certain of Lynch's skills, but not to all of them used in subsequent
creative projects entirely within his control.
I still intend, once I get a working TARDIS, to modify the timeline
to ensure that Lynch did direct Revenge of the Jedi. Then we
could compare EM to RoJ to Dune, to see the director emerge
within other people's projects.

On a (weak) technicality, I'm eliminating what most any other filmmaker
would weep to have created.
Oh, heck; make it the Top 4 Lynch films instead, and cheat the question.


> Maybe, when it comes right down to it, we are all capable of making our own
>decisions.

What a needless, ridiculous generalization !

Who is "We" ? And when was the last time you made A DECISION
of any significance? In the context of this group, "We are all
capable..."
of ignoring me, or arguing with me. That phrase could cover just about
anything. It's a TAUTOLOGY which is a great word, meaning
"A logical statement in which the conclusion is equivalent to the
premise."


> Although you were "pontificating", not even the most devout Catholic truly
>believes that the Pope is infallible.

Any Catholics care to explain doctrine to Rawhead Rex?
A) You're quite staggeringly wrong about your literal statement.
B) This is wholly irrelevant, as I have never claimed to be infallible;
pushy and annoying, yes.


> If you reply to this, I'd really much rather hear your opinions on why
>Elephant Man doesn't make the top three, than how sodding stupid I am, thanks.

Stubborn; stumbling, I might have thought; but I don't recall calling
you "stupid".
And with my ambiguous implications, plus your inferences, I might never
be able to discern exactly which insults colored you as "stupid".

I don't think anything is wrong with your Intelligence; Just your Wisdom.


Trichome,
"Gone fishing." - and thanks for all the fish.

Owen

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Oy..I post that I enjoyed Clockwork Orange..I start a fight. I try to get some
more of the ATTP lists going..I start a fight. *sigh* Oh well, resume your
battle =)

Roland D. LeBay

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Trichome wrote:

>>Trichome baited:
>
> ...and was rewarded to find you, flapping away on my hooks.
>

I knew what I was doing. I knew what you were doing. I just don't know *why*
you're doing it.
The pretense is "To help others rise above vague generalities"
The only apparent effect is "Garmonbozia"

>and though my goading may be unwelcome, I too
> was inside my own shell once

When a person "comes out of their shell", it is a good thing. When a person
comes out of their shell and believes that they are Napoleon, well, that's just
another shell.

>> Maybe the Tailgating scene in Lost Highway (although a significant clue)
>>along with such bits as the "Toilet Seat" line, detract from the overall
>>greatness of the film.
>
> Gaah?
>

The tailgating scene was, I felt, forced. I didn't believe Mr. Eddy's rage
in a believable way. The menace which he was able to exude merely by snapping
his fingers earlier lost some of its power with that cartoony pistol whipping.
I'm not afraid of over the top actors. The scene called for an over the top
performance. =Bad Scene.
The "toilet seat" line was just one example of moments where Lynch forcibly
dragged me out of his world and reminded me that I was sitting in a theatre. It
was a cheap laugh. Especially cheap in view of the fact that the pair of cops
were so cleverly captured in the "who's job...his or ours?" line.
If a line is not present to advance the plot, or help the viewer understand
the action onscreen, if it is simply there for a bit of "toilet humour", it
rings false.
How many sour notes does it take to detract from the composition as a whole?
I don't know, but Elephant Man, to me, has no such notes.

> Two paragraphs, two straw men that you seem to shoot down all by
>yourself.
>

That comment means nothing. Aside from any scene involving Cooper, or the
"You stole the corn" scene, tell me how Fire Walk With Me achieved its
potential.

> Why be sorry? This the first real position you've taken in this post.
> I'M SORRY, but I have to think someone else made you apologize
> for such an innocuous "frenzy". I won't take credit for tenderizing
> your hide, because I haven't been a part of your life long enough to be
> this much of an influence

It was a figure of speech. It *was* an insincere apology, unlike others I
have given in hopes of mending relations with somebody that I considered a
friend.

>> Although you were "pontificating", not even the most devout Catholic
>truly
>>believes that the Pope is infallible.
>
> Any Catholics care to explain doctrine to Rawhead Rex?
> A) You're quite staggeringly wrong about your literal statement.
> B) This is wholly irrelevant, as I have never claimed to be infallible;
> pushy and annoying, yes.
>

*This* is your problem. You believe that everything can be read with a
narrow, literal mind. It was whimsical. It was humourous. Meant to induce a
chuckle.
The Pope is the supreme Pontiff. The word "pontificating" finds its origin
in said word. Catholic doctrine states that the Pope is infallible. You act as
if *you* were infallible, handing down Papal Bulls. Not even the most devout
Catholic (I repeat) *truly* believes that the Pope is infallible. If you
believe that they believe (he said, confusingly) well, I don't know which is
sadder.

> I don't think anything is wrong with your Intelligence; Just your
>Wisdom.
>

I have many problems with my Wisdom, but believing that every person in this
newsgroup should be treated with kindness and respect is not one of them.

Laurence Andrews

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tric...@hotmail.com wrote in message ...
> "Gone fishing."

"Or maybe buffalo hunting" -- returning to Owen's original post, I would
rank Wild At Heart (and Blue Velvet) above Eraserhead. Five years work and,
in my opinion, little to show for it.

>- and thanks for all the fish.

Had there been a poll for best novel (or "trilogy" of novels); best comedic
television series; or best radio serial, then surely Douglas Adams' The
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy would have occupied the top-spot in each of
these categories.

BBEBB,
--
Laurie, Doctor of Journalism.

"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."


Laurence Andrews

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Jul 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/18/99
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Roland D. LeBay wrote in message

>I have given in hopes of mending relations with somebody that I >considered
a
>friend.


Why do you insist on equating "Trichome disagreeing with you" with "Trichome
being nasty/unfriendly/insulting"?

That's even more false than all the discrodant harmonies in any of Lynch's
films.

And by the way I liked the tailgaiting sequence. I wouldn't say it made the
movie, though, in the same way that I wouldn't say Battleship Potemkin was
the best film ever made even though it contains what I consider to be one of
the best sequences ever.

damnfine

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Jul 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/19/99
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Joshua Zyber wrote:
> > Trichome
> > still pontificating
>
> - Josh Z
> still annoyed

Jesus H Christ! Will this never end?

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tric...@hotmail.com

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In article <7mtjov$dla$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Laurence Andrews"
<laur...@38thetower.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>tric...@hotmail.com wrote in message ...
>> "Gone fishing."
>
>"Or maybe buffalo hunting" -- returning to Owen's original post, I would
>rank Wild At Heart (and Blue Velvet) above Eraserhead. Five years work and,
>in my opinion, little to show for it.
>

You know, maybe I need to see Wild at Heart for a fifth time to be
sure, but the story just didn't cohere for me as it does for me with
Blue Velvet or Eraserhead, even those are very different kinds of films.
Some films are more "cut from one cloth"; or maybe it's just that WaH
is a road movie, which means that everthing happens in sequential,
independent incidents along the way, plus flashbacks. I should
probably try harder to appreciate the film's narrative similarities to
The Wizard of Oz. The problem is, I've never liked that film one bit.
It feels all... pathological to me. But I think the narrative was a template
for thousands(?) of films that have followed, though only because
a heroic/epic/anti-heroic journey with a villain chasing behind
was an archetype that had yet to be invented (demonstrated?) in the
new era of sound and technical advances and more advanced story-
telling in Hollywood in the WWII era. So Oz makes the breakthrough;
I still find the movie demented - though I enjoyed the L. Frank Baum
original series much more when I read them around age ten.

Like Citizen Kane, if you see my parallel to previous discussions
here about innovations in filmic narrative and camera/set design
conceptions.


>>- and thanks for all the fish.
>

>Had there been a poll for best novel (or "trilogy" of novels); best comedic
>television series; or best radio serial, then surely Douglas Adams' The
>Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy would have occupied the top-spot in each of
>these categories.
>

Okay, then what would the first and second runners up be?
I'm afraid radio serials haven't run around here much in decades,
so I've no frame of reference. And Comedy is notoriously
hard to compare objectively; but narrowing it down, we're talking
serial comedy series, and not sketch comedy. Comedy comedy,
and not comedy-drama hybrids. I'd challenge HHGttG with
Fawlty Towers. I think that the episodes are consistent and
comedically devastating. How many people can think of
another experience in comedy as painfully funny as The Germans
episode of Fawtly Towers? Maybe it's late and I'm forgetting
other contenders, but that's my benchmark for the moment.

Novels - I do not know the first thing about 'em. But that
seems the most overly broad generalization of the bunch.
I myself was a great fan, and gave an oral book report in
10th grade on SLATFATF. One of my favorite numbers is 42,
'cause after all it's the product of both 6 X 9, and also lucky
seven times the cynical, uncompromising Prisoner No. 6.


Trichome,
debateably disagreable (or a disagreable debater?)

damnfine

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Jul 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/19/99
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Trichome wrote:
> I'd challenge HHGttG with
> Fawlty Towers. I think that the episodes are consistent and
> comedically devastating. How many people can think of
> another experience in comedy as painfully funny as The Germans
> episode of Fawtly Towers?

There you go being so annoyingly correct again...

Speaking of Cleese though, there's also the Dead Parrot sketch, the Ministry of Silly
Walks sketch and the French Taunter in 'Holy Grail', and back to Fawlty Towers, there's
the scene where he attempts to beat his car to death with a tree branch.

damnfine

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Jul 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/19/99
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Laurence Andrews wrote:
> "Or maybe buffalo hunting" -- returning to Owen's original post, I would
> rank Wild At Heart (and Blue Velvet) above Eraserhead. Five years work and,
> in my opinion, little to show for it.

Nah... WAH keeps fighting with Dune for the position of my LEAST favorite Lynch movie.
Eraserhead remains the purest and most powerful of all his features... late at night, with
the volume turned right up, it can't be beaten.

Owen

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Jul 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/19/99
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You know, I don't think anyone actually involved in this big argument about the
best David Lynch movies actually voted...

Laurence Andrews

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Jul 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/20/99
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tric...@hotmail.com wrote in message ...

> Novels - I do not know the first thing about 'em. But that


>seems the most overly broad generalization of the bunch.

You're absolutely right about that. I should have narrowed down the category
somewhat; with hindsight I can think of dozens of novels that are better
than the HHGTTG series, although few that I've read supercede its humour.

Laurie.

Laurence Andrews

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For me, Eraserhead wasn't the most powerful. The first time I watched it, I
did so, as you suggest, late at night and with the volume fairly high. I
suppose you're right in a sense about it being the purest of Lynch's films,
and I certainly concede that it contains one of the best soundtracks; the
industrial noise, eerie repetitive, overwhelming, almost nauseating.

I must point out that I had seen several Lynch films before viewing
Eraserhead for the first time. I was therefore perhaps slightly disappointed
as I had heard so much talk about the film and in particular about its
"unwatchable" climax. I think there are other Lynch sequences that I
consider to be more unwatchable, and, although I'll need to browse through
my collection again before I elaborate on this subject, I sense that said
sequences may take place in Lost Highway and Blue Velvet.

Unfamiliar as I am with the "L. Frank Baum original series" I shall reserve
judgment on that topic, as I fasten my investigative shoes and do some
research in the field.

I recognise that Wild At Heart was not a groundbreaking movie; but then in
many ways Titanic was, and while I appreciate its [Titanic's] degree of
technical excellence I would not choose to subject myself to the experience
of watching it again. The thing about Wild At Heart was that it just
satisfied me more than Eraserhead did. Perhaps this can be explained by the
simple fact that my expectations were higher for Eraserhead than they were
for Wild At Heart.

For the record, my (entirely subjective) top 3 Lynch films would probably be
as follows:

1. Lost Highway
2. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
3. Blue Velvet

--
Laurie, Doctor of Journalism.

"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."

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In article <7n2qru$r51$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Laurence Andrews"
<laur...@38thetower.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>Unfamiliar as I am with the "L. Frank Baum original series" I shall reserve
>judgment on that topic, as I fasten my investigative shoes and do some
>research in the field.
>

I should have written "novels", rather than series.


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Laurence Andrews wrote:
> I must point out that I had seen several Lynch films before viewing
> Eraserhead for the first time. I was therefore perhaps slightly disappointed
> as I had heard so much talk about the film and in particular about its
> "unwatchable" climax.

I think it's mainly the movie's detractors that consider the climax unwatchable. The only
problem I've ever had with it is forgetting to breathe...

> I recognise that Wild At Heart was not a groundbreaking movie; but then in
> many ways Titanic was, and while I appreciate its [Titanic's] degree of
> technical excellence I would not choose to subject myself to the experience
> of watching it again.

Who would? ;)

> For the record, my (entirely subjective) top 3 Lynch films would probably be
> as follows:
>
> 1. Lost Highway
> 2. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
> 3. Blue Velvet

I would go like this:

1. Eraserhead
2. Blue Velvet
3. FWWM

...with Lost Highway an _extremely_ close fourth.

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