OT - Master and Commander?
Mikko Pihkoluoma
reviews around here say it is?
When I first saw the poster I laughed my ass off. When the main reviewer
gave it five stars I laughed even harder... Then I heard it was directed by
Peter Weir, so who knows, maybe it is worth something?
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> Has anyone seen it? Is it as dumb as it looks or actually as good as
the
> reviews around here say it is?
>
> When I first saw the poster I laughed my ass off. When the main
reviewer
> gave it five stars I laughed even harder... Then I heard it was
directed by
> Peter Weir, so who knows, maybe it is worth something?
What exactly do you think looks dumb about it?
Oh wait, it's Mikko. I'm sure you'll come back with "All movies with
boats are inherently stupid".
damnfine
> What exactly do you think looks dumb about it?
Crowe's hair.
(Now only the second worst hair crime of the year, thanks to Saddam)
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Mikko Pihkoluoma
> "Mikko Pihkoluoma" <fak...@welho.com> wrote in message
> news:brhe0n$og8$1...@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi...
> > Has anyone seen it? Is it as dumb as it looks or actually as good as
> the
> > reviews around here say it is?
> >
> > When I first saw the poster I laughed my ass off. When the main
> reviewer
> > gave it five stars I laughed even harder... Then I heard it was
> directed by
> > Peter Weir, so who knows, maybe it is worth something?
>
> What exactly do you think looks dumb about it?
My introduction to the film was the poster. Like damnfine said, Crowe looks
even dumber than he usually looks. Plus his head and name covers most of the
whole goddamn poster.
Then I heard there's no women in it... And today I heard there's a
totalitarian sacrifice act at the center of the film.
Anyhow, the main reason that made me laugh my ass off was the title. Master
and Commander sounds like a really cheap porn film title... and it's a bit
too egoistical, even for Russell Crowe.
> Oh wait, it's Mikko. I'm sure you'll come back with "All movies with
> boats are inherently stupid".
I love boats.
Mikko
Joshua Zyber
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> "Joshua Zyber" wrote:
> > What exactly do you think looks dumb about it?
>
> Crowe's hair.
OK, I'll give you that. But it is appropriate to the film.
Joshua Zyber
> > What exactly do you think looks dumb about it?
>
> My introduction to the film was the poster. Like damnfine said, Crowe
looks
> even dumber than he usually looks. Plus his head and name covers most
of the
> whole goddamn poster.
Ah yes, of course. If the poster's not perfect, by definition the movie
must suck.
> Then I heard there's no women in it...
Why should there be? It's a movie about 18th Century military seamen.
> And today I heard there's a
> totalitarian sacrifice act at the center of the film.
What, pray tell, is a "totalitarian sacrifice"?
Mikko Pihkoluoma
> "Mikko Pihkoluoma" <fak...@welho.com> wrote in message
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>> > What exactly do you think looks dumb about it?
>>
>> My introduction to the film was the poster. Like damnfine said, Crowe
> looks
>> even dumber than he usually looks. Plus his head and name covers most
> of the
>> whole goddamn poster.
>
> Ah yes, of course. If the poster's not perfect, by definition the movie
> must suck.
If the poster looks like the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And it has
Russell Crowe in it! That guy hasn't done a decent film since 'The
Insider', and I used to like his acting quite a bit which only makes it
worse..
All I had to go on was the title and posters. (The trailer wasn't exactly
breathtaking either.) Since they choce to market it as the Gladiator on the
sea, I'm not so sure what the film is like...
Would you be so kind and actually answer my question, instead of ranting on
about my reaction to the film's publicity?
Is it a good film?
>> Then I heard there's no women in it...
>
> Why should there be?
To save it from all the machoism the title sets up.
> It's a movie about 18th Century military seamen.
I get that, but... It all boils down to the title really. Come on, listen
to the sound of it: 'Master and Commander'. Not merely that it's just
absolutely ridiculous, but that it sets up a film with themes about a
strong leader etc..
>> And today I heard there's a
>> totalitarian sacrifice act at the center of the film.
>
> What, pray tell, is a "totalitarian sacrifice"?
Sacrifice, in it that there is a guy who has to die for the ship and rest of
the crew. Totalitarian in a way that our very own Master and Commander has
to do the difficult choice.
damnfine
> > > What exactly do you think looks dumb about it?
> >
> > Crowe's hair.
>
> OK, I'll give you that. But it is appropriate to the film.
I just saw it tonight. Very good stuff indeed.
And his hair didn't look nearly as bad IN the film as it did in real life
while he had it like that FOR the film (including at his wedding!)
Joshua Zyber
> Would you be so kind and actually answer my question, instead of
ranting on
> about my reaction to the film's publicity?
> Is it a good film?
You'd hate it. Just because you're you and have already decided to do so
regardless of what the movie is like.
> > What, pray tell, is a "totalitarian sacrifice"?
>
> Sacrifice, in it that there is a guy who has to die for the ship and
rest of
> the crew. Totalitarian in a way that our very own Master and Commander
has
> to do the difficult choice.
And a moral quandary like that is a bad thing to have in a movie?
Santos L. Halper
>
> Would you be so kind and actually answer my question, instead of ranting on
> about my reaction to the film's publicity?
> Is it a good film?
>
I went into it expecting crap but was pleasantly surprised. The kid who
I was sure was going to die didn't and it had some very good action.
Some touching moments, some funny, some chilling. If you're predisposed
to hate it, try the matinee.
Mikko Pihkoluoma
> "Mikko Pihkoluoma" <fak...@welho.com> wrote in message
> news:brk0j3$1qh$1...@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi...
> > Would you be so kind and actually answer my question, instead of
> ranting on
> > about my reaction to the film's publicity?
> > Is it a good film?
>
> You'd hate it. Just because you're you and have already decided to do so
> regardless of what the movie is like.
No. You're acting like that because you're you and you've decided to get
annoyed at me regardless of my words.
> > > What, pray tell, is a "totalitarian sacrifice"?
> >
> > Sacrifice, in it that there is a guy who has to die for the ship and
> rest of
> > the crew. Totalitarian in a way that our very own Master and Commander
> has
> > to do the difficult choice.
>
> And a moral quandary like that is a bad thing to have in a movie?
It can be. Smells like Saving Private Ryan syndrome, but I don't know...
Not before I see it, which I've already decided to do.
Mikko
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"Mikko Pihkoluoma" <fak...@welho.com> escribió en el mensaje
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< [Master and Commander] My introduction to the film was the poster. Like
damnfine said, Crowe looks even dumber than he usually looks. Plus his head
and name covers most of the whole goddamn poster. >
But you know that posters are done by other people than the ones that did
the film... From what you say, we got a better poster in Spain... but not
*that* better...
< [...] Anyhow, the main reason that made me laugh my ass off was the title.
Master and Commander sounds like a really cheap porn film title... and it's
a bit too egoistical, even for Russell Crowe. >
When I first read it, I found it awful too, though it reminded me more of a
name for a computer game. However, now I find it's perfect for the spirit of
the film and the time it's set in.
Anyway, Moby Dick sounds cheap porn too (not to mention Free Willy...)
< I love boats. >
So you liked Speed 2? (Just teasing :-)
~Henry the Horse~
Keith Gow
<fak...@welho.com> waxed lyrical:
>Is it a good film?
>
It's a Peter Weir film, so - by definition - it is worth the benefit
of the doubt.
(I am yet to see it, however. This weekend I will, though.)
-- Keith Gow --
UncleMike
> Anyhow, the main reason that made me laugh my ass off was the title.
Master
> and Commander sounds like a really cheap porn film title... and it's a bit
> too egoistical, even for Russell Crowe.
Master and Commander is the title a British Navy lieutenant is given when he
assumes command of his first vessel. He is not a vested captain or "Post
Captain" posted to a vessel, yet is called captain as a courtesy by his crew
and fellow officers. The name of the first of the Patrick O'Brian books upon
which the film is based is calle M&C because Jack Aubrey gains that rank.
(Guess what happens in "Post Captain.") Though the film has little to do
with the first book of the series, being based more or less on the 10th,
they wanted to use it as a potential franchise title, I guess. Nothing
pretentious about it.,
> I love boats.
Then you should read O'Brian's books. The best nautical fiction ever,
perhaps the best historical fiction ever. And Crowe's hair is as described
in the books --- as are many other things.
Pikemann Urge
Saw it last night. Better than what I assumed but not a totally great
movie. Still, glad I saw it. Weir is an excellent director and for me
there is no question of that whatsoever. He's an artist all right.
I sense that the source material is rich stuff. After I got home I just
had to read the story of Jonah in the Bible.
I squirmed at the amputation scene. It hurt watching that. And not a
drop of blood to be seen. Subtlety at its best. ::shudder::
> Master and Commander is the title a British Navy lieutenant is given when he
> assumes command of his first vessel. He is not a vested captain or "Post
> Captain" posted to a vessel, yet is called captain as a courtesy by his crew
> and fellow officers.
Interesting info. And I found nothing wrong with the title of the film,
either. Quite like it.
> Then you should read O'Brian's books. The best nautical fiction ever,
> perhaps the best historical fiction ever. And Crowe's hair is as described
> in the books --- as are many other things.
That could be a good tip. I would like to give this author a chance but
I am usually weary of older novels. I love non-fiction of any period but
it's the fiction that can be hard to get into if it's not from your
generation. I don't know if anyone agrees though.
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Henry the Horse
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< I would like to give [Patrick O'Brian] a chance but I am usually weary of
older novels. I love non-fiction of any period but it's the fiction that can
be hard to get into if it's not from your generation. I don't know if anyone
agrees though. >
It's historical novel, but written fairly recently. If I remember it right,
the last in the series was published around 2000, and O'Brian died the
following year... or something like that. I haven't read any of the novels
yet, basically because the subject matter doesn't appeal much to me, but
everyone I know that has say they're great.
~ Henry the Horse~
Keith Gow
waxed lyrical:
>I just saw it tonight. Very good stuff indeed.
>
In what way is it good stuff?
I found most of the movie quite dull. Crowe's character was cliche
upon cliche. A few of the other characters were quite interesting and
there were some nice sequences, but overall I think this is the most
overrated movie of the year.
-- Keith Gow --