Lynch's Paintings
SiCk BoY
damnfine a écrit :
> SiCk BoY wrote:
> > This newsgroup starts getting unpleasant. Don't you all have something
> > *else* to say ?
>
> Yep.
>
> As long as you start. ;)
OK. But that won't make people stop discussing wheter homosexuals
are deviants or not. If that doesn't, I guess I'll think I have better things
to do elsewhere.
So... I never heard anyone here discussing about Lynch's paintings.
I saw his work in Paris and was really shocked. They're not "skilled"
in the usual sense of the word, but they're really powerful, and very
different from the "neat" imagery (even if it's dark) of his films or photos.
In fact they were closer to what you would expect from John Doe
(the murderer of SE7EN), including the handwriting. Incredible.
So, what do you say ?
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Joshua Zyber
news:39855139...@wanadoo.fr...
> So... I never heard anyone here discussing about Lynch's paintings.
> I saw his work in Paris and was really shocked. They're not "skilled"
> in the usual sense of the word, but they're really powerful, and very
> different from the "neat" imagery (even if it's dark) of his films or
photos.
> In fact they were closer to what you would expect from John Doe
> (the murderer of SE7EN), including the handwriting. Incredible.
That similarity is a little uncomfortable, isn't it?
I've never seen Lynch's paintings in person, but from the photographs I've
seen of them I find them eccentric enough to be amusing, but I can't really
say they've affected me on an emotional level like his films have. I'm sure
Lynch would argue that it's all in the detail and texture I'm missing, and
he's probably right.
- Josh
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Joshua Zyber
Curator, Laserdisc Forever Review Archive
www.mindspring.com/~jzyber/laserdiscforever.htm
damnfine
> OK. But that won't make people stop discussing wheter homosexuals
> are deviants or not.
Which no one was really doing, BTW.
> So... I never heard anyone here discussing about Lynch's paintings.
> I saw his work in Paris and was really shocked.
Damn, you're lucky.
> They're not "skilled" in the usual sense of the word,
> but they're really powerful, and very different from the
> "neat" imagery (even if it's dark) of his films or photos.
I'd definitely agree with that... you only need to look at him working on them
in 'Pretty as a Picture', to know there's not really a "plan", as there is
with the movies. The paintings are definitely titled AFTER he's finished them,
that's for sure... hehe
I think it's quite impossible to judge his paintings without seeing them in
person.
> In fact they were closer to what you would expect from John Doe
> (the murderer of SE7EN), including the handwriting. Incredible.
And disturbing... like Jack Fisk said, it's lucky he can express himself
through his art, or someone might be dead. ;)
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SiCk BoY
Joshua Zyber a écrit :
> SiCk BoY <prosper...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:39855139...@wanadoo.fr...
> > So... I never heard anyone here discussing about Lynch's paintings.
> > I saw his work in Paris and was really shocked. They're not "skilled"
> > in the usual sense of the word, but they're really powerful, and very
> > different from the "neat" imagery (even if it's dark) of his films or photos.
> > In fact they were closer to what you would expect from John Doe
> > (the murderer of SE7EN), including the handwriting. Incredible.
>
> That similarity is a little uncomfortable, isn't it?
Not for me, but my brother's girlfriend was *really* disturbed.
Let's say I was also disturbed, but that makes me comfortable.
> I've never seen Lynch's paintings in person, but from the photographs I've
> seen of them I find them eccentric enough to be amusing...
It's very, VERY different in real life.
First, they're 3D. He said the viewer should feel he could bite his teeth
into his paintings, and indeed they have so much matter on them they're
more like sculpture. And you miss all the texture in scans. They give
you a very bad idea, all you see is a brown mess.
Then, the patterns and colors always makes you feel it's alive. It's like
decaying flesh. BTW, sometimes, there IS decayed flesh in it.
Then, there are the details. It's rather suprising when you see that what
you thought was a shadow are in fact around 25 *flies* glued on the
"painting". It's like a land or a face, you've got to explore it.
And last but not least, there's something related to childhood in this
work that "tunes" you on some very deep, kernel frequency. Especially
the handwriting. Looks like a deranged kid writing. Just like Doe's
writing in the "SE7EN" opening sequence - Lynch loves to paint the
title *on* the painting, for example : "Nothing Is Making Any Sense
For Instance Why Is That Boy Bleeding From The Mouth".
Erk. Schizophrenia. They're so much greater than you can imagine.
> ... but I can't really
> say they've affected me on an emotional level like his films have. I'm sure
> Lynch would argue that it's all in the detail and texture I'm missing, and
> he's probably right.
Well, I argue that it's all in the detail and texture you're missing, and I'm right.
:-p
SiCk BoY
damnfine a écrit :
> SiCk BoY wrote:
>
> > They're not "skilled" in the usual sense of the word,
> > but they're really powerful, and very different from the
> > "neat" imagery (even if it's dark) of his films or photos.
>
> I'd definitely agree with that... you only need to look at him working on them
> in 'Pretty as a Picture', to know there's not really a "plan", as there is
> with the movies. The paintings are definitely titled AFTER he's finished them,
> that's for sure... hehe
I don't know. I think he's possessed.- which is a major theme in all his movies, BTW.
> I think it's quite impossible to judge his paintings without seeing them in
> person.
Yes.
> > In fact they were closer to what you would expect from John Doe
> > (the murderer of SE7EN), including the handwriting. Incredible.
>
> And disturbing... like Jack Fisk said, it's lucky he can express himself
> through his art, or someone might be dead. ;)
I guess you know he saw a psychiatrist once, and he said to Lynch
the therapy might alter his work. He stopped therapy.
But anyway, there has already been some deaths. 7 frozen mice in his refrigerator !
Joshua Zyber
> > I've never seen Lynch's paintings in person, but from the photographs
I've
> > seen of them I find them eccentric enough to be amusing...
>
> It's very, VERY different in real life.
>
> First, they're 3D. He said the viewer should feel he could bite his teeth
> into his paintings, and indeed they have so much matter on them they're
> more like sculpture. And you miss all the texture in scans. They give
> you a very bad idea, all you see is a brown mess.
>
> Then, the patterns and colors always makes you feel it's alive. It's like
> decaying flesh. BTW, sometimes, there IS decayed flesh in it.
>
> Then, there are the details. It's rather suprising when you see that what
> you thought was a shadow are in fact around 25 *flies* glued on the
> "painting". It's like a land or a face, you've got to explore it.
>
> And last but not least, there's something related to childhood in this
> work that "tunes" you on some very deep, kernel frequency. Especially
> the handwriting. Looks like a deranged kid writing. Just like Doe's
> writing in the "SE7EN" opening sequence - Lynch loves to paint the
> title *on* the painting, for example : "Nothing Is Making Any Sense
> For Instance Why Is That Boy Bleeding From The Mouth".
My uncle, who fancies himself a painter on the side (That's never a good
sign, is it?!), attempts something similar with his paintings/sculptures. Of
course, he doesn't go so far as to include anything that decays! He does,
though, believe in the layering of obscure images into a three-dimensional
textured canvas. He also uses fragmented writing and half-formed images. I
didn't really think much of his work from the photos that he sent, but when
I went to a recent show of his, I could definitely get a better sense of
what he was trying to achieve.
I pointed out the similarity of his technique to that of Lynch, but he says
he's not familiar with it.
If anyone were really interested, I could post the link to my uncle's web
site, but otherwise I won't bother for three reasons:
1) The web graphics don't give much of an approximation of the actual
paintings.
2) I like my uncle, but I have no compelling desire to shill for him or plug
his site.
3) Though I see in theory what it is that he's trying to achieve, frankly I
think he's too pretentious to pull it off successfully. He tends to paint
about big themes that he really knows very little about. This is a
middle-aged, upper middle-class Jew from Long Island painting about the
Native American experience and what it's like for teenage runaways to live
on the street! Ummmm.... No, not a good idea.
I like my uncle and I support his development as an artist, but he just
ain't there yet.
> > ... but I can't really
> > say they've affected me on an emotional level like his films have. I'm
sure
> > Lynch would argue that it's all in the detail and texture I'm missing,
and
> > he's probably right.
>
> Well, I argue that it's all in the detail and texture you're missing, and
I'm right.
Good that you think so!
Heh... Like I said, I definitely got more out of my uncle's paintings when I
saw the textures in person, but even still I don't find them all that
compelling. That could just be his choice of subject matter, though.
If Lynch were ever to have a show in this area, I'd of course be there in a
Heart Beat (pun very much intended) to see them for myself.
Pikemann Urge
>
> So... I never heard anyone here discussing about Lynch's paintings.
> in the usual sense of the word, but they're really powerful, and very
> different from the "neat" imagery (even if it's dark) of his films or photos.
> (the murderer of SE7EN), including the handwriting. Incredible.
>
Well, damn good topic! I think even some of his basic sketches are very
deep and really take you in. I can only refer to the book Images,
though.
I think that of all the painting and drawings in the book, the following
are most typical of what a TP fan would expect from Lynch, which is
dark, dreamy and creepy:
1) Valley of the Shadow Part II, p.81
2) Cloud with Rock, p.82
3) Smoking Shapes, p.83 (one of my top favourites)
4) On a windy night a lonely figure walks to Jumbo's Klown Room, p.179
Of course, his Industrial and Nudes and Smoke series of photographs are
just plain beautiful. His industrials are dark, oppressive and gritty.
His nudes and smoke are very intimate but not really erotic at all, but
more mysterious and they make you ask lots of questions about what's
going on, who are those women, what is disturbing them, etc. The most
captivating one is without nudity - without anyone at all, quite frankly
- which is the last photo in the book, on p.192. There's just part of a
sofa, some drapes behind it and a thick plume of smoke pouring up from
nowhere, just above the sofa cushion.
damnfine
> First, they're 3D. He said the viewer should feel he could bite his teeth
> into his paintings,
Mmmmm... raw, maggot-ridden steak. Yummy.
> Lynch loves to paint the
> title *on* the painting, for example : "Nothing Is Making Any Sense
> For Instance Why Is That Boy Bleeding From The Mouth".
LOL! I haven't heard that one before... love it.
kbee
<3985F4C2...@wanadoo.fr>...
>
> I don't know. I think [Lynch's] possessed.- which is a major theme in
all his movies, BTW.
But by *what* is the question.
SiCk BoY
Joshua Zyber a écrit :
> SiCk BoY <prosper...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:3985F40D...@wanadoo.fr...
> > > I've never seen Lynch's paintings in person, but from the photographs
> > > I've seen of them I find them eccentric enough to be amusing...
> >
> > It's very, VERY different in real life.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > And last but not least, there's something related to childhood in this
> > work that "tunes" you on some very deep, kernel frequency. Especially
> > the handwriting. Looks like a deranged kid writing. Just like Doe's
> > writing in the "SE7EN" opening sequence - Lynch loves to paint the
> > title *on* the painting, for example : "Nothing Is Making Any Sense
> > For Instance Why Is That Boy Bleeding From The Mouth".
>
> My uncle, who fancies himself a painter on the side (That's never a good
> sign, is it?!), attempts something similar with his paintings/sculptures. Of
> course, he doesn't go so far as to include anything that decays! He does,
> though, believe in the layering of obscure images into a three-dimensional
> textured canvas. He also uses fragmented writing and half-formed images. I
> didn't really think much of his work from the photos that he sent, but when
> I went to a recent show of his, I could definitely get a better sense of
> what he was trying to achieve.
>
> I pointed out the similarity of his technique to that of Lynch, but he says
> he's not familiar with it.
>
> If anyone were really interested, I could post the link to my uncle's web
> site, but otherwise I won't bother for three reasons:
>
> 1) The web graphics don't give much of an approximation of the actual
> paintings.
> 2) I like my uncle, but I have no compelling desire to shill for him or plug
> his site.
> 3) Though I see in theory what it is that he's trying to achieve, frankly I
> think he's too pretentious to pull it off successfully. He tends to paint
> about big themes that he really knows very little about. This is a
> middle-aged, upper middle-class Jew from Long Island painting about the
> Native American experience and what it's like for teenage runaways to live
> on the street! Ummmm.... No, not a good idea.
Barton Fink !!
Here it's completely different (and now for something...), because it
doesn't talk about anything social or economical, etc. It's just above
the nucleus of the human mind. That's why it's so strong, and shocking,
and more generally why it works.
> Heh... Like I said, I definitely got more out of my uncle's paintings when I
> saw the textures in person, but even still I don't find them all that
> compelling. That could just be his choice of subject matter, though.
I'm sure it is...
Am I really the *only* one here that have seen them for real ?
Wow...
Oh, BTW, Lynch was there in person and we chatted a bit. I talked
to him about my site, but he already knew it and told me I had a bright
future ahead in web design.
Just joking.
SiCk BoY
Pikemann Urge a écrit :
> SiCk BoY wrote:
> >
> > So... I never heard anyone here discussing about Lynch's paintings.
> > I saw his work in Paris and was really shocked. They're not "skilled"
> > in the usual sense of the word, but they're really powerful, and very
> > different from the "neat" imagery (even if it's dark) of his films or photos.
> > In fact they were closer to what you would expect from John Doe
> > (the murderer of SE7EN), including the handwriting. Incredible.
> >
> > So, what do you say ?
>
> Well, damn good topic! I think even some of his basic sketches are very
> deep and really take you in. I can only refer to the book Images,
> though.
... BTW, for anyone who wants to know what we're talking about :
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2093/index.html
> I think that of all the painting and drawings in the book, the following
> are most typical of what a TP fan would expect from Lynch, which is
> dark, dreamy and creepy:
>
> 1) Valley of the Shadow Part II, p.81
>
> 2) Cloud with Rock, p.82
>
> 3) Smoking Shapes, p.83 (one of my top favourites)
>
> 4) On a windy night a lonely figure walks to Jumbo's Klown Room, p.179
They're all creepy. Even his chicken kit and fish kit are creepy (seriously,
*that* was certainly disturbing, even if it's also amusing).
You realy should see them for real, if even photos moved you. You must
be very sensitive to it.
> Of course, his Industrial and Nudes and Smoke series of photographs are
> just plain beautiful. His industrials are dark, oppressive and gritty.
> His nudes and smoke are very intimate but not really erotic at all, but
> more mysterious and they make you ask lots of questions about what's
> going on, who are those women, what is disturbing them, etc. The most
> captivating one is without nudity - without anyone at all, quite frankly
> - which is the last photo in the book, on p.192. There's just part of a
> sofa, some drapes behind it and a thick plume of smoke pouring up from
> nowhere, just above the sofa cushion.
There were those photos at the exhibition, too. I found them... canibalistic.
His models were rather round and he really photographed them as if they
were some kind of meal.
damnfine
> Barton Fink !!
LOL! I totally thought the same thing.
SiCk BoY
damnfine a écrit :
> SiCk BoY wrote:
> > Barton Fink !!
>
> LOL! I totally thought the same thing.
What a great film, BTW. The strangest the Cohens did
(but I never saw Blood Simple).
damnfine
> > SiCk BoY wrote:
> > > Barton Fink !!
> >
> > LOL! I totally thought the same thing.
>
> What a great film, BTW. The strangest the Cohens did
Oh, without a doubt.
That silly Josh doesn't like it though, of course. But he doesn't even like
'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas', so we can't trust him at all.
> (but I never saw Blood Simple).
It just got a theatrical re-release in the US, which I HOPE like hell it makes
out my way eventually.
Think of it as a darker, more raw version of Fargo... without the great
characters. Blood Simple only has one character that is very interesting, but
that is it's only flaw.
TiN
to see them in real life to get a true feeling for what moods and thoughts
Lynch is trying to express through them.
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